Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 ear all, Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as each planet and sign also represent an avatar. The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. This is depicted in our puranas in several places. I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called amoeba. A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been there for ages. Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-` Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place…" (athatho brahma jijnasa) Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of ones decision to seek the Lord. I would post more on hearing from the group. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Dear Wendy It is Rij/Rig vedas. I will give how the Rig vedas came to be known. Lord Brahma who manifested this universe, the Mother Earth, had four sons.. They were called the four Kumara's. Each of the son's was given a mission to spread spiritualism in the universe and each one was given a seperate subject. That is how they called as Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda, Atharva Veda. Rig Veda mostly deals with vedic astrology, the creation & manifestation of the universe. The five elements Fire, Earth, Water, Air & Either are described in details in the Rig Veda's and the relevance of the same in human life. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/rig_veda_book_1.asp Harry Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Harry, //Once again my hats of to you, but this time please accept my obecience for giving us the in dept part of scriptures on astrology.// I'm delighted that you found the same value as I did in this great article. However I must tell you that I am not the author. It has been reproduced on several websites. //Only thing is that it is not Rik Vedas but RiJ Vedas.// I'm sure you're correct. However, on the following website http://www.maharishi.org/overview/vedic_science.html it is (again) expressed as Rik Veda...perhaps I'm missing something here? "My Vedic Science, the science of the Unified Field of knower, process of knowing, and known, is the science of Samhita of Rishi, Devata, and Chhandas. As the Samhita of Rishi, Devata, and Chhandas is available to us as Rik Veda Samhita, my Vedic Science is the science of Rik Veda." Might we conclude that both RiJ Veda and Rik Veda may be correct under certain circumstances? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Haresh (Harry) Nathani" <haresh1405 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:29 PM Re: Das Avatars and human evolution Dear Wendy Once again my hats of to you, but this time please accept my obecience for giving us the in dept part of scriptures on astrology. Only thing is that it is not Rik Vedas but RiJ Vedas. Harry Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Dear mahalakshmi, Thank you for the nice words. I am trying to complete the series. Meanwhile, I would be grateful if people like you add some things what I have said. regards, Kishore patanik , mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi wrote: > > dear kishore mohan > this is a good perception about the avatars. do continue with the rest of it. > god bless > mahalakshmi > > Dear all, > > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as > each planet and sign also represent an avatar. > > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. > > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called > amoeba. > > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been > there for ages. > > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. > > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-` > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place…" (athatho brahma jijnasa) > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. > > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. > > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of > ones decision to seek the Lord. > > I would post more on hearing from the group. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Dear Harry, Actually when I first began listening to the Vedic recitations of 'Sama Veda' and 'Rig Veda' it was indeed spelt Rig Veda, as you say. I've just dug out my old cassette tape (in my hand now as I type) and it's definitely spelt Rig Veda. However, Maharishi seems to spell it Rik (RK) Veda now as you can see clearly on the following link http://mumpress.com/p_l05.html ....(and as it is in the article) I've not really kept in close contact with the TM Centre here in Perth (as I did in Zimbabwe). But, if I can remember, I'll give the centre here a call tomorrow and see what they have to say. I'm sure whether it's spelt Rig Veda or Rik Veda the meaning is the same. Certainly things do change in the TM movement. I got a tape of the tenth mandala (Rig Veda), recited in English by Deepak Chopra, when I completed the Siddhi course (many years back) but Maharishi withdrew it not long after that saying it must be recited in Sanskrit...so, things do change. I still have my copy in English but never felt comfortable again listening to it after it was withdrawn... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Haresh (Harry) Nathani" <haresh1405 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:59 PM Re: Das Avatars and human evolution Dear Wendy It is Rij/Rig vedas. I will give how the Rig vedas came to be known. Lord Brahma who manifested this universe, the Mother Earth, had four sons. They were called the four Kumara's. Each of the son's was given a mission to spread spiritualism in the universe and each one was given a seperate subject. That is how they called as Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda, Atharva Veda. Rig Veda mostly deals with vedic astrology, the creation & manifestation of the universe. The five elements Fire, Earth, Water, Air & Either are described in details in the Rig Veda's and the relevance of the same in human life. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/rig_veda_book_1.asp Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Dear all, The mantras of the Rg Veda are called Rks and hence, the name Rk- Veda. (One who conducts the yajna on the basis of Rg veda is called Rtwkk) In pronounciation, it became RgVeda. Please be confirmed of your fundamentals first before going onto the higher stage. Now, coming to the reply to my discourse, I have nothing to say about your faith that man has always remained a man and nothing less. While it does not stand to reason, I am noone to condemn your faith in your Guru, however faulty his teachings may seem to me. If you take the article itself,there seems to be some confusion on the part of the author. Jyotisham is a vedanga, a limb of Vedas. The original Jyotisham was a highly specialized science of mathematics and astronomy. It was meant for pinpointing the muhurats for Vedic events such as Yajnas or Coronations. In the much later periods, it has come to fixing muhurats for agriculture events and then, to read the future of a man and to fix muhurats for even mundane tasks. It mostly contained in a single work called Sermons of Sage Lagadha. Thus, the Jyotisham as recognized as a vedanga is not identical with the present Jyotisham or Astrology, though the present science has deep roots in the Vedic jyotisham and evolved from it. The Vedanga is much more mathematical in nature and more spiritual in its purpose, whereas the present astrology (as given by Sage Paraasara) is more materialistic in its purpose and less mathematical, especially with the advent of concept of Rasi. ( You have to be more accurate with the positions of the Grahas, if you take their lunar mansion positions only and not in the rasis, as being done in the Vedic jyotisham) Now, though I applaude the author for referring to Brh. Upanishad, the context is entirely different. It talks of the Inner Light and this Inner Light has nothing to do with either Vedic Jyotisham or Parasaraa Jyotisham. In fact, I can talk about another way in which the word Jyotisham is used also- in the Meditation. Jyotisham Meditation, which again has nothing to do with the astrology, is a powerful tool in healing and spiritual progress. It requires the sadhaka to concentrate on a Lamp and universalise it . so, we should not confuse the various ways in which the word Jyotishasm was used and the ancient science of vedic jyotisham and relatively later jyotishm which has been put together by Sage Parasaraa. Now, let us come to the second part of the article which talks of commentary of Rg Veda or Jyotisham. It talks in most excited tones of some interpretations, but these interpretations themselves seem to be in more cryptic forms. An interpretation is an explantion, a revelation of something more hidden. If the interpretation itself is cryptic, it may be Holy and Secretive but certainly, it is not much of use to the common man. The first Rk of the Rgveda has been put to several interpretations over the ages. It has been taken as the commentary on Vyakarana (or Grammar) which again is a Vedanga. Now, if you look at the same as an interpretation of Jyotisham, good to know that. But the author is not clear what are the new secrets revealed by this interpretations, as in fact, there seem to be none. Let the light of Jnana dawn on all, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 //Dear all, The mantras of the Rg Veda are called Rks and hence, the name Rk- Veda. (One who conducts the yajna on the basis of Rg veda is called Rtwkk) In pronounciation, it became RgVeda.// Yes, this is clear when reading the article again... "Furthermore, the commentary indicates that all knowledge of the first mandala is contained in the first sukta, consisting of nine 'richas' (verses)." In essence then, Maharishi has reverted to the original pronunciation. Thank you for clearing that up...you've saved me a phone call! //If you take the article itself,there seems to be some confusion on the part of the author.// This you should take up with Maharishi himself as the commentary is his. I'm certainly not going to get into an arguement with you over who's understanding is superior - yours or Maharishi's... //Thus, the Jyotisham as recognized as a vedanga is not identical with the present Jyotisham or Astrology, though the present science has deep roots in the Vedic jyotisham and evolved from it. The Vedanga is much more mathematical in nature and more spiritual in its purpose.// Maharishi in his lessons on vedic astrology emphasizes that 'Jyotish should never be taken on any other level than the level of vedanta'. Vedanta, Maharishi says, is the science of the soul. Vedanta teaches that there is only one soul, the soul of the universe, which all of us embody. Everything in the world today is on the decline - including the use of Jyotish as a 'fortune telling tool' rather than the divine revelation that it is. In my opinion, articles such as 'Jyotish in Rik Veda' are worthy of contemplation as they remind us of the true meaning of jyotish. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Dear Wendy, You have given a much matured reply and I appreciate you for that. Now, as I do not know who is your Maharishi or what is his understanding or preachings, I can not say whether his teachings go with my beliefs or not. On the other hand, I have just commented on the aricle alone, with no disrespect meant for either you or your preceptor or your beliefs. You are welcome to write to me if you are in search of better understanding of the Truth as proclaimed by the Sanatana scriptures. Kishore patnaik + 91 98492 70729 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > //Dear all, > The mantras of the Rg Veda are called Rks and hence, the name Rk- > Veda. (One who conducts the yajna on the basis of Rg veda is called > Rtwkk) In pronounciation, it became RgVeda.// > > Yes, this is clear when reading the article again... > "Furthermore, the commentary indicates that all knowledge of the > first > mandala is contained in the first sukta, consisting of nine 'richas' > (verses)." > > In essence then, Maharishi has reverted to the original > pronunciation. Thank you for clearing that up...you've saved me a > phone call! > > //If you take the article itself,there seems to be some confusion on > the > part of the author.// > > This you should take up with Maharishi himself as the commentary is > his. I'm certainly not going to get into an arguement with you over > who's understanding is superior - yours or Maharishi's... > > //Thus, the Jyotisham as recognized as a vedanga is not identical > with > the present Jyotisham or Astrology, though the present science has > deep roots in the Vedic jyotisham and evolved from it. The Vedanga is > much more mathematical in nature and more spiritual in its purpose.// > > Maharishi in his lessons on vedic astrology emphasizes that 'Jyotish > should never be taken on any other level than the level of vedanta'. > Vedanta, Maharishi says, is the science of the soul. Vedanta teaches > that there is only one soul, the soul of the universe, which all of > us embody. > > Everything in the world today is on the decline - including the use > of Jyotish as a 'fortune telling tool' rather than the divine > revelation that it is. In my opinion, articles such as 'Jyotish in > Rik Veda' are worthy of contemplation as they remind us of the true > meaning of jyotish. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 dear kishore just pour out your thoughts on the topic without any interruptions from people. the initial part has come out well. i say this as each has his own way of conceptualising such things. it would be nice to continue and finish what you have started. mahalakshmi Dear mahalakshmi, Thank you for the nice words. I am trying to complete the series. Meanwhile, I would be grateful if people like you add some things what I have said. regards, Kishore patanik , mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi wrote: > > dear kishore mohan > this is a good perception about the avatars. do continue with the rest of it. > god bless > mahalakshmi > > Dear all, > > Most of us know that dashavatars depict the evolution of life throuh > ameoba to a full human. Let me please share some of my thoughts as > each planet and sign also represent an avatar. > > The life has began billions of years ago as a spark from Oceans. > This is depicted in our puranas in several places. > > I often talked about Vritra and Indra's fighting on a symbolism > level and this is one of the symbolisms it holds. Vrtra means > inertia, the inertia that has been there for ages, lifeless, > actionless and utterly passive, so passive that there was no change > in any aspect for ages. Indra, perhaps a star here, Red in color and > big in size, has stuck this inertia of the seas, igniting a spark, > the spark of life. Incidentally, Indra literally means ignition. > > This life, ignited by Divine will or by accident, has started to > take a shape called a Cell. This cell became capable of independent > existence and behold, of growing and populating. This is called > amoeba. > > A fish is nothing but a great amoeba! This is symbolized in the > first avatar. This avatar represents the Life Force and > interestingly, the demon killed by the Lord in this incarnation is > named Somaka- the laziness or Inertia! Thus, it symbolizes the > beginning of life by having victory over the inertia that has been > there for ages. > > Lord Krishna had been an avid worshipper of matsya avatar. > > At psychological level, this avatar represents the beginning of > Intelligence and the eternal dilemma of man whether to be born or > not. At spiritual level, it indicates the birth of the urge to seek > of the Ultimate, as paraphrased by the famous first brahma sutra-` > Once the Brahma jijnasa has taken place…" (athatho brahma jijnasa) > Pisces, amongst signs, represents this avatar and fittingly, the > spiritual graha, Ketu , represents this avatar. > > The Kurma symbolizes the survival and slow proliferation of life > onto Land. The survival requires conformation to the nature laws and > a discipline that is imposed by the Universe. The tortoise also > represents imposing limits on its own self. Cancer, amongst signs > and Saturn in the planets represent this avatar. It also indicates > the responsibilities one carries in any role that one dons. > > At psychological level, it represents the development of Ideas and > emotions. At spiritual level, it indicates the culmination of > shraddha or deeksha , ie the deep determination and strength of > ones decision to seek the Lord. > > I would post more on hearing from the group. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on India Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dear Kishore, //You are welcome to write to me if you are in search of better understanding of the Truth as proclaimed by the Sanatana scriptures.// I shall keep that in mind :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "kishore mohan" <kishore_future (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, June 26, 2006 10:44 PM Re: Das Avatars and human evolution Dear Wendy, You have given a much matured reply and I appreciate you for that. Now, as I do not know who is your Maharishi or what is his understanding or preachings, I can not say whether his teachings go with my beliefs or not. On the other hand, I have just commented on the aricle alone, with no disrespect meant for either you or your preceptor or your beliefs. You are welcome to write to me if you are in search of better understanding of the Truth as proclaimed by the Sanatana scriptures. Kishore patnaik + 91 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dear Kishore, //You are welcome to write to me if you are in search of better understanding of the Truth as proclaimed by the Sanatana scriptures.// I shall keep that in mind :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "kishore mohan" <kishore_future (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com> <jyotish-vidya> Monday, June 26, 2006 10:44 PM Re: Das Avatars and human evolution Dear Wendy, You have given a much matured reply and I appreciate you for that. Now, as I do not know who is your Maharishi or what is his understanding or preachings, I can not say whether his teachings go with my beliefs or not. On the other hand, I have just commented on the aricle alone, with no disrespect meant for either you or your preceptor or your beliefs. You are welcome to write to me if you are in search of better understanding of the Truth as proclaimed by the Sanatana scriptures. Kishore patnaik + 91 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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