Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Pujya bhakta jana, I have a question. The PGA or Planetary Gemologists Association has a duty to expose fraud in the world of Vedic Gemology (Sacred objects). There are two situations where we must take action against certain PGA members who are breaking the PGA rules which they themselves voted for. 1. One rule is PGA members cannot sell low quality non-jyotish stones. And there are a few who are selling, for example, a complete Navaratna for Rs. 5000. This is impossible and the stones MUST be rubbish of the lowest type. Harmful quality. So selling unlucky junk to poor people is very bad luck... and against the PGA rule #2. 2. Fraud is illegal everywhere. It is not a PGA law, it is a WORLD LAW. And yet there are many people selling common cheap Lightning Whelk shell, which ALWAYS open on the right... but they are fraudulently selling the WHELK shells as "Valampuri Lakshmi Shank." This is straight forward fraud, either through ignorance or by evil. And now the Hindu public is confused and mistake the whelk to be Lakshmi Shank. Same as they mistake CULTURED pearl-imitation as REAL pearl. It is a crime. And it doesn't work because it is NOT real. My question is: Do I use the PGA to straighten out or expose these wrong doers? Or should I watch as they do wrong and keep quiet? I'm the Acting Secretary of the PGA, and I hate to condemn people. So what should the PGA do about these problems in society? Thank you all in advance... Best rgds, Richard Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Om Krishna Guru Namase Richard Ji, It is a very interesting and a difficult question to answer too. I would think this way: Can you impose this PGA rules to the whole world and who will follow and obey that. Also, being Acting Secretary of the PGA, you should surely contact the person who is doing the fraudlent act and advise not to do this as it is not a good karmic thing also. Lastly, if the person who you belive is doing wrong thing, and if that person is a member of your association,then surely you can take a desciplinary action too. As you know, the international laws and local laws are very distinct and you should approach by understanding their applicability in detail. I wish you good luck. Regards Raghunatha Rao vedic astrology, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Pujya bhakta jana, > > I have a question. The PGA or Planetary Gemologists Association has a > duty to expose fraud in the world of Vedic Gemology (Sacred objects). > > There are two situations where we must take action against certain PGA > members who are breaking the PGA rules which they themselves voted for. > > 1. One rule is PGA members cannot sell low quality non-jyotish stones. > And there are a few who are selling, for example, a complete Navaratna > for Rs. 5000. This is impossible and the stones MUST be rubbish of the > lowest type. Harmful quality. So selling unlucky junk to poor people is > very bad luck... and against the PGA rule #2. > > 2. Fraud is illegal everywhere. It is not a PGA law, it is a WORLD LAW. > And yet there are many people selling common cheap Lightning Whelk > shell, which ALWAYS open on the right... but they are fraudulently > selling the WHELK shells as "Valampuri Lakshmi Shank." This is straight > forward fraud, either through ignorance or by evil. And now the Hindu > public is confused and mistake the whelk to be Lakshmi Shank. Same as > they mistake CULTURED pearl-imitation as REAL pearl. It is a crime. And > it doesn't work because it is NOT real. > > My question is: Do I use the PGA to straighten out or expose these > wrong doers? Or should I watch as they do wrong and keep quiet? I'm the > Acting Secretary of the PGA, and I hate to condemn people. So what > should the PGA do about these problems in society? > > Thank you all in advance... > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hello Mr. Brown, I must continue in my challenging remarks. How quickly people forget. If the PGA had existed 30 years ago, how do you feel this organization would have viewed the gem recommendations that a certain individual made between 1974 and 1989 before he saw the light of day and realized he was getting disappointing results with his clients because he was prescribing gems for the wrong planets? (And according to this same person, such people should be "locked up.") And yet that same individual is now full of righteousness to rid out those whose motives he may not entirely agree with or understand for offering what gems they do. I'm not saying that flawed gems should *ever* be recommended -- and I would never recommend them -- but I don't live in India, and the truth is that such gems are made available to the public anyway because there is a demand for them by people of meager financial means, and this demand has been created by the astrologers and gem dealers themselves. If the public feels that gems are the only solution to their problems, this means they are caught in a spiritual Catch 22 and are condemned if they do and condemned if they don't buy gems. So what some of them do is buy whatever they can afford even if they are not the best gems. Are precious gems for the rich only, or for everyone, now that the demand has been created? Some of these people who purchase flawed or corrupt gems are most likely of difficult circumstances to begin with. So is one to believe that if they are in possession of any type of gem whatsoever their lives will be made that much worse? I'm not saying I know; but I am saying that these people of limited financial means may look at the matter in a different light. And no one seems to know about the state of their affairs because no one seems to ask them if their life was made better or not after making their meager or flawed gem purchases. It would be a good subject for research rather than just quoting sacred texts against the usage of less than perfect gems even though the gems may be providing the purchaser with some possible meager benefit, if only from the 'placebo' effect. It is so easy for the 'haves' to view everything from their own privileged vantage point, while the 'have-nots' are supposed to go without after the demand for gems has been sold to them as the best or only planetary remedy. The famous architect Frank Lloyd Wright was once asked by someone if he ever designed houses for "the little people." Wright took this as a challenge and came up with a design that could be built for under $3000--a miniscule amount in its day. So why can't gem dealers come up with a navaratna ring that just about anyone could afford even if the gems are microscopic. or an effective talisman without using gems at all? In the meantime, I have my reservations about the PGA, where there only seems to be one active member who is elected to his secretarial position, seemingly by default, because no one else appears to be that actively interested. There have also been a number of gem recommendations in accordance with the PGA guidelines that I would happen to disagree with. If I had more time to go into specifics, I would. But there was one example with a chart on the sacred-objects website where the man had already tried a red coral for his cancer ascendant and had an adverse reaction to it. And yet this same gem in a LARGER size was recommended when his mental confusion, financial losses and chronic health problems and illnesses seemed clearly indicated by his weak ascendant lord in the 12H of illnesses and expenditures--and this placement was completely ignored in order to strengthen his Mars already well-placed and strong. Who holds those accountable who want to hold others accountable? Instead, I see very little consistency in the way the PGA principles are practiced and not enough participation by other members of this group, and this is why I am being as vocal as I am on these public astrology newsgroups and bringing up some points very much in need of discussion and debate. At the same time, I will grant that I feel that the PGA organization is sincere in wanting to help people with proper gem stone quality and recommendations. Sincerely, Haizen Paige vedic astrology, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Pujya bhakta jana, > > I have a question. The PGA or Planetary Gemologists Association has a > duty to expose fraud in the world of Vedic Gemology (Sacred objects). > > There are two situations where we must take action against certain PGA > members who are breaking the PGA rules which they themselves voted for. > > 1. One rule is PGA members cannot sell low quality non-jyotish stones. > And there are a few who are selling, for example, a complete Navaratna > for Rs. 5000. This is impossible and the stones MUST be rubbish of the > lowest type. Harmful quality. So selling unlucky junk to poor people is > very bad luck... and against the PGA rule #2. > > 2. Fraud is illegal everywhere. It is not a PGA law, it is a WORLD LAW. > And yet there are many people selling common cheap Lightning Whelk > shell, which ALWAYS open on the right... but they are fraudulently > selling the WHELK shells as "Valampuri Lakshmi Shank." This is straight > forward fraud, either through ignorance or by evil. And now the Hindu > public is confused and mistake the whelk to be Lakshmi Shank. Same as > they mistake CULTURED pearl-imitation as REAL pearl. It is a crime. And > it doesn't work because it is NOT real. > > My question is: Do I use the PGA to straighten out or expose these > wrong doers? Or should I watch as they do wrong and keep quiet? I'm the > Acting Secretary of the PGA, and I hate to condemn people. So what > should the PGA do about these problems in society? > > Thank you all in advance... > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 ~ Om Namo Narayanaya ~ Dear Richard Ji, You can take disciplinary action for the members of PGA. The most that you can do is to cancel the membership or certification. The problem here is that one can get the gemstones tested. However, the quality of the gemstone cannot be tested in Govt. Laborataries especially for astrological purpose. They just declare that it is natural stone, and gave its exact weight, dimensions etc. Also, in India, you can find almost every jeweller selling the gemstones. They have lots of qualities and they charge accordingly. So, even if you cancel membership or certification, he can continue to sell. I think the better way is that the persons who are going to buy gemstones should do a bit of research to find what clarity of gemstones they should buy or they should consider alternatives (if they cannot buy costly stones) Regards, Neeraj --- Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 > wrote: > Om Krishna Guru > > Namase Richard Ji, > > It is a very interesting and a difficult question to > answer too. I > would think this way: Can you impose this PGA rules > to the whole > world and who will follow and obey that. Also, being > Acting Secretary > of the PGA, you should surely contact the person who > is doing the > fraudlent act and advise not to do this as it is not > a good karmic > thing also. Lastly, if the person who you belive is > doing wrong > thing, and if that person is a member of your > association,then surely > you can take a desciplinary action too. As you > know, the > international laws and local laws are very distinct > and you should > approach by understanding their applicability in > detail. > > I wish you good luck. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > > vedic astrology, Richard Shaw > Brown > <rsbj66 wrote: > > > > Pujya bhakta jana, > > > > I have a question. The PGA or Planetary > Gemologists Association has > a > > duty to expose fraud in the world of Vedic > Gemology (Sacred > objects). > > > > There are two situations where we must take action > against certain > PGA > > members who are breaking the PGA rules which they > themselves voted > for. > > > > 1. One rule is PGA members cannot sell low quality > non-jyotish > stones. > > And there are a few who are selling, for example, > a complete > Navaratna > > for Rs. 5000. This is impossible and the stones > MUST be rubbish of > the > > lowest type. Harmful quality. So selling unlucky > junk to poor > people is > > very bad luck... and against the PGA rule #2. > > > > 2. Fraud is illegal everywhere. It is not a PGA > law, it is a WORLD > LAW. > > And yet there are many people selling common cheap > Lightning Whelk > > shell, which ALWAYS open on the right... but they > are fraudulently > > selling the WHELK shells as "Valampuri Lakshmi > Shank." This is > straight > > forward fraud, either through ignorance or by > evil. And now the > Hindu > > public is confused and mistake the whelk to be > Lakshmi Shank. Same > as > > they mistake CULTURED pearl-imitation as REAL > pearl. It is a crime. > And > > it doesn't work because it is NOT real. > > > > My question is: Do I use the PGA to straighten out > or expose these > > wrong doers? Or should I watch as they do wrong > and keep quiet? I'm > the > > Acting Secretary of the PGA, and I hate to condemn > people. So what > > should the PGA do about these problems in society? > > > > Thank you all in advance... > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Paramata lives in everything whatever you wears. Either gem or stone everywhere is Hari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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