Basic Query

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Dear Anoop,

 

The answers are to your questions are given below IN CAPS.

 

, " anoop8us "

<anoop8us> wrote:

> I had some basic queries about the ashtakavarga system. Here they

are:

>

> 1. The aspect of a benefic (one having more than 4 points in AV)

> planet is considered to be malefic. In this scenario, what if this

> particular planet is in debility..like say mars in cancer. Would

its

> aspect on its exaltation sign yield detrimental effects?? on the

same

> lines, since it has more than 4 points in AV in its debility sign,

> should it be assumed that it would still yield good results in its

> house of placement (irrespective of debility)??

 

 

ASH : PLANETS WITH 4 OR GREATER THAN 4 BINDUS MEANS THAT 4 OR MORE

PLANETS OR LAGNA ARE SUPPORTING IT. SO ITS STRENGTH INCREASES. LOOK

AT IT LIKE YOU HAVE LOTS OF COLLEGUES OR FRIENDS SUPPORTING YOU AT

WORK SO YOUR CONFIDENCE GOES UP AND U GET MORE EAGER TO DO THINGS.

 

SIGN OF DEBILITATION IS OPPOSITE THAT OF EXALTATION IN ANY CHART.

HERE WE CONSIDER PLANETS AS EXALTED WHEN IT HAS HIGH BINDUS AND

DEBILITATED WITH IT HAS LOW BINDUS I.E. < 4. PLANETS WITH 4 BINDUS

ARE NEUTRAL.

 

WE HAVE A MULTIPLICATION FACTOR THAT WE MULITPLY AFTER TOTAL POINTS

ARE COMPUTED TO SEE HOW RESULTS WILL BE " FELT " THIS IS BASED ON SIGN

FOR EG IF GURU IS IN CANCER THEN MULTIPLICATION FACTOR IS 1.4. SO IF

SAY GURU GETS 20 POINTS FOR ANY HOUSE THEN U MULTIPLY THAT WITH 1.4

AND U GET 28 POINTS. SO IN GURUS ANTRA U WILL FEEL LIKE 28 POINTS

MEANS BETTER RESULTS.

 

ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS WITH LOW BINDUS AS 3 PLANETS I.E. SHANI,

MARS AND GURU HAVE 3 ASPECTS EACH. SO IT WILL ASPECT HOUSES

BENEFICIALLY SO OVERALL POINTS IN I..E TOTAL POINTS IN WORKSHEET WILL

GO UP.

 

ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED WHEN CREATING WORKSHEET. ALSO

PLANETS WITH > 4 BINDUS IN 4TH PLACE FROM A PLANET WITH < 4 BINDUS

COMES UNDER 4:10 RELATIONSHIP AND PLANETS IN 4TH WILL GIVE ITS POINTS

TO PLANET IN 10TH AND WILL BECOME SAMDHARMI TO IT AND WILL WORK FOR

IT. LOTS OF YOGAS IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY ARE BASED ON THIS. ITS CALLED

MUTUAL COWORKERS.

 

USING THIS SYSTEM WE DO NOT HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL YOGAS. U ARE

UNKNOWINGLY USING THEM. ONLY SPECIAL YOGS THAT ARE NOT COVERED WE

USE THEM SEPERATELY FOR EG. VENUS TO SUN DISTANCE, VENUS IN

PARTICULAR NAKSHATRA ETC.

 

MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT PLEASE SPEND SOME TIME IN UNDERSTANDING

WORKSHEET AND HOW ONE COMES TO OVERALL POINTS.

 

>

> 2. Going by the same notion, I have saturn in cancer with 2 points.

> Obviously, its a malefic. It aspects its own sign capricorn. This

> aspect has to be benefic with 6 points? True? It also aspects lagna

> (aries) ..which is its sign of debility. So , should i conclude

that

> this aspect on its sign of debility is in fact positive (+ 6

points)?

 

ASH : YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER OTHER PLANETS AND THEIR INFLUENCE.

SO OVERALL INFLUENCE U CAN GET VIA WORKSHEET. IN THAT WAY YOU WILL

GET STRENGH FOR EACH AND EVERY PLANET FOR ALL 12 HOUSE.

 

IN YOUR CASE FOR SHANI, LOOK AT SARVA WORKSHEET AND SEE OVERALL

STRENGH OF SHANI IN THE WORKSHEET. THAT IS THE TRUE POWER OF SHANI

TO DELIVER ITS RESULT DURING THE VIMSHOTTARI ANTAR DASA.

 

>

> 3. When considering Ashtakavarga, should the overall number (as

> calculated by the algorithm presented on this site) be used? or

> should only the individual score be considered? My guess is that

the

> overall score is what would work. Nevertheless, expecting a reply

to

> this query as well.

 

ASH : FROM BHINAASHTAKAVRGA U COMPUTE SARVASHTAKAVARGA. FROM

SARVASHTAKAVARGA YOU COMPUTE THE WORKSHEET. IN THE WORKSHEET YOU

CONSIDER ALL ASPECTS, 4:10 RELATIONSHIPS, CONSIDER SPECIAL STATUS OF

LORDS OF D AND E AND PLANETS IN HOUSE D AND E WITH > 4 BINDUS. WE

ALSO CONSIDER 12TH LORDS FROM B AND 6TH LORDS AND THEIR EFFECTS.

ALL THE YOGAS ARE COVERED BY POINTS DISTRIBUTION OF SAV AS GIVEN BY

MAHARISHI VARHARAMIRA. WITH THE WORKSHEET PREDICTIONS BECOMES VERY

EASY.

 

>

> I would very much appreciate a reply to the above queries. It would

> really help me in unraveling numerous mysteries.

 

ASH : GOOD QUESTIONS.

>

> Thanks

> ANOOP

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I tried calculating the AV values using 2 different worksheets..

 

The first one dealt with 'the queen of england'..a much elaborate

worksheet

 

The second one deals with Bush's chart.

 

The sarvashtakavarga table is the same in both when i plug in lagna

as aries (1) and other planetary positions. But the AV scores for

each house are significantly different.

 

Which worksheet should i really trust??

 

Thanks

ANOOP

[Guest guest]

Dear Anoop,

Go to file section and download the file called

Master Worksheet Ver D 4.09.xls.

Use that worksheet.

Also go through the initial discussion in the archives as lots of

basic questions are answered regarding worksheet.

Its interesting.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " anoop8us "

<anoop8us> wrote:

> Hi,

> I tried calculating the AV values using 2 different worksheets..

>

> The first one dealt with 'the queen of england'..a much elaborate

> worksheet

>

> The second one deals with Bush's chart.

>

> The sarvashtakavarga table is the same in both when i plug in lagna

> as aries (1) and other planetary positions. But the AV scores for

> each house are significantly different.

>

> Which worksheet should i really trust??

>

> Thanks

> ANOOP

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

I have joined this group recently and I have a very basic query.

 

In various fields like Maths, Physics, Chemistry etc there are

many proven theories/theorems like 'Pythagoras Theorem'(a2 + b2 =

c2).

Is there any single, proven thoery/theorem in astrology?

Since its in existence from last 1000s of yrs,

there should be few.

 

Can someone explains one such theory/theorem in easy words?

 

Even if someone who has not formally learnt Geometry, I think its

simple to explain something like Pythagoras Theorem by drawing a

right angle triangle and measuring the sides and then trying to

describe relationship between them.

 

Thx in advance for u r time.

 

Thx,

 

Ashraf

[Guest guest]

Hi Ashraf,

It is interesting to see that you compare astrology to exact sciences like maths,physics, chemistry and not to applied sciences like engineering, psychology or medicine.

I consider astrology more like an applied science, there is no perfect theorem, only most likely hypothesis with exceptions. Of course you could study the exact science of astronomy and formulate basic theorems as "earth moves around sun in an ellipse", calculate the precision of earth. But at the applied level, as astrology, it is a mixture of astronomical science, knowledge and experience. It works only as good as who's applying it. (everyone trusts the builder only if the building stands, doesn't matter if s/he made perfect right angles with walls applying Pythagoras theorem).

A true astrologer is same as a doctor, economist or engineer.

here is my 2cents,

Cheers,

SK

 

Ashraf <ashrafaj > wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have joined this group recently and I have a very basic query.

 

In various fields like Maths, Physics, Chemistry etc there are

many proven theories/theorems like 'Pythagoras Theorem'(a2 + b2 =

c2).

Is there any single, proven thoery/theorem in astrology?

Since its in existence from last 1000s of yrs,

there should be few.

 

Can someone explains one such theory/theorem in easy words?

 

Even if someone who has not formally learnt Geometry, I think its

simple to explain something like Pythagoras Theorem by drawing a

right angle triangle and measuring the sides and then trying to

describe relationship between them.

 

Thx in advance for u r time.

 

Thx,

 

Ashraf

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear SK,

 

You had written:

"I consider astrology more like an applied science, there is no perfect theorem, only most likely hypothesis with exceptions."

Please do not propagate wrong notions about astrology. Astrology too is an exact science, everything is perfect here and there are no exceptions. It is incomplete knowledge in our hands, incorrect birth details and our personal limitations only that we fail to predict correctly.

 

Also, there is no need to reply to those who raise such questions without first understanding the subject, at least for a number of years.

 

P.Kumar

 

-

violet

vedic astrology

Friday, June 23, 2006 9:33 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Query

 

 

Hi Ashraf,

 

It is interesting to see that you compare astrology to exact sciences like maths,physics, chemistry and not to applied sciences like engineering, psychology or medicine.

 

I consider astrology more like an applied science, there is no perfect theorem, only most likely hypothesis with exceptions. Of course you could study the exact science of astronomy and formulate basic theorems as "earth moves around sun in an ellipse", calculate the precision of earth. But at the applied level, as astrology, it is a mixture of astronomical science, knowledge and experience. It works only as good as who's applying it. (everyone trusts the builder only if the building stands, doesn't matter if s/he made perfect right angles with walls applying Pythagoras theorem).

 

A true astrologer is same as a doctor, economist or engineer.

here is my 2cents,

Cheers,

SK

 

 

 

Ashraf <ashrafaj > wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have joined this group recently and I have a very basic query.

 

In various fields like Maths, Physics, Chemistry etc there are

many proven theories/theorems like 'Pythagoras Theorem'(a2 + b2 =

c2).

Is there any single, proven thoery/theorem in astrology?

Since its in existence from last 1000s of yrs,

there should be few.

 

Can someone explains one such theory/theorem in easy words?

 

Even if someone who has not formally learnt Geometry, I think its

simple to explain something like Pythagoras Theorem by drawing a

right angle triangle and measuring the sides and then trying to

describe relationship between them.

 

Thx in advance for u r time.

 

Thx,

 

Ashraf

 

 

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Dear P.Kumar,

 

I apologise for the post if I have offended you. I didnt' say that

astrology excludes exact science, but I dont think that is all there

is to it. Astrology needs the effectiveness of the astrologer to

work, and that was my point there.

 

I should have been more specific that "practising astrology". You

have explained more eloquently what was in my mind. That a theorem

and the result of its application could be quite different due to

human limitations. And theorems may not always tranform into perfect

reality if the person applying them dont' know what they are doing.

 

If practising astrology isn't a mixture of science and intuition

(Vak suddhi) of the astrologer with his/her knowledge and

experience, why doesn't whole astrological predictions are done by

some advanced computer program based on the logical rules?

 

If someone considers the astrology as same standard as other "exact"

sciences as mathematics, physics or chemistry, then perhaps they

will follow the scientific rules and prove it by repeatable

experiments.

 

But my notion of astrology isn't that. Astrology is much more

than "Exact Science" straightjacket and proofs for theorems.

 

Like I said before, these are only my ideas and I dont profess to be

all knowledgable in astrology.

 

Cheers,

SK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "P Kumar" <pkumar24

wrote:

>

> Dear SK,

>

> You had written:

> "I consider astrology more like an applied science, there is no

perfect theorem, only most likely hypothesis with exceptions."

> Please do not propagate wrong notions about astrology. Astrology

too is an exact science, everything is perfect here and there are no

exceptions. It is incomplete knowledge in our hands, incorrect birth

details and our personal limitations only that we fail to predict

correctly.

>

> Also, there is no need to reply to those who raise such questions

without first understanding the subject, at least for a number of

years.

>

> P.Kumar

>

> -

> violet

> vedic astrology

> Friday, June 23, 2006 9:33 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Query

>

>

> Hi Ashraf,

>

> It is interesting to see that you compare astrology to exact

sciences like maths,physics, chemistry and not to applied sciences

like engineering, psychology or medicine.

>

> I consider astrology more like an applied science, there is no

perfect theorem, only most likely hypothesis with exceptions. Of

course you could study the exact science of astronomy and formulate

basic theorems as "earth moves around sun in an ellipse", calculate

the precision of earth. But at the applied level, as astrology, it

is a mixture of astronomical science, knowledge and experience. It

works only as good as who's applying it. (everyone trusts the

builder only if the building stands, doesn't matter if s/he made

perfect right angles with walls applying Pythagoras theorem).

>

> A true astrologer is same as a doctor, economist or engineer.

> here is my 2cents,

> Cheers,

> SK

>

>

>

> Ashraf <ashrafaj wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I have joined this group recently and I have a very basic query.

>

> In various fields like Maths, Physics, Chemistry etc there are

> many proven theories/theorems like 'Pythagoras Theorem'(a2 + b2

=

> c2).

> Is there any single, proven thoery/theorem in astrology?

> Since its in existence from last 1000s of yrs,

> there should be few.

>

> Can someone explains one such theory/theorem in easy words?

>

> Even if someone who has not formally learnt Geometry, I think

its

> simple to explain something like Pythagoras Theorem by drawing a

> right angle triangle and measuring the sides and then trying to

> describe relationship between them.

>

> Thx in advance for u r time.

>

> Thx,

>

> Ashraf

>

>

>

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