Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear Members, Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new thing all TARUN's that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. that is rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their charts take values of rahu and ketu this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, explore this new rule this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar PK: only faster moving ones change Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change Tarun Chopra: no other planet PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it PK: and astronmy also Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our own observations I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for astrological reasons. PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not panacea Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only Tarun Chopra: they are free Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- 09840051861 Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 For some reason best known to him, he does not want to give examples of successful application of his ayanamsha. I recall posting a chart for him to use as a blind test example. I think the onus is on him to show the value of the ayanamsha. All I hear were messages from him and others to join some other group and some anecdotal mention of 'astrologers' warming up to and using this new and somewhat radically different ayanamsha. Now based on what you posted, it seems one would have to used different ayanamsha values for nodes and I just hope we don't end up using one ayanamsha for nodes, another for the lights, a third one for inferior planets and yet a fourth one for superior planets and this can really complicate an already complex and fuzzy field! If I had known this, I should have kept practicing i- ching! I was beginning to get the hang of it almost!! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new thing > all TARUN's > that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. > that is > rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their charts > take values of rahu and ketu > this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, explore this new rule > > this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar > PK: only faster moving ones change > Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu > PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change > Tarun Chopra: no other planet > PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side > PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it > PK: and astronmy also > Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our own observations > > I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for astrological reasons. > > > PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not panacea > Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue > Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only > Tarun Chopra: they are free > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 We have a flat earth society also. Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Members, Let me clarify at the very onset that this is not an adverse letter to anyone.I appreciate Tarunji's effort in research in a field crying out for study and still deeper study. But the fact remains that the onus is on Tarunji to prove himself if someone asks forit. Not just anyone but form the field.We as astrologers have been crying hoarse to accept astrology as a science. IIt is time we used a scientific temper. Tarunji u cannot shy away saying no more on the subject. the subject must be open to speculation. All theories can be improved upon by shredding them bare. We must never make the mistake of thinking it is the ultimate closed to change. Regards Vatsala , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new thing > all TARUN's > that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. > that is > rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their charts > take values of rahu and ketu > this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, explore this new rule > > this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar > PK: only faster moving ones change > Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu > PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change > Tarun Chopra: no other planet > PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side > PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it > PK: and astronmy also > Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our own observations > > I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for astrological reasons. > > > PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not panacea > Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue > Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only > Tarun Chopra: they are free > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Members, Let me clarify at the very onset that this is not an adverse letter to anyone.I appreciate Tarunji's effort in research in a field crying out for study and still deeper study. But the fact remains that the onus is on Tarunji to prove himself if someone asks forit. Not just anyone but form the field.We as astrologers have been crying hoarse to accept astrology as a science. IIt is time we used a scientific temper. Tarunji u cannot shy away saying no more on the subject. the subject must be open to speculation. All theories can be improved upon by shredding them bare. We must never make the mistake of thinking it is the ultimate closed to change. Regards Vatsala , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new thing > all TARUN's > that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. > that is > rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their charts > take values of rahu and ketu > this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, explore this new rule > > this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar > PK: only faster moving ones change > Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu > PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change > Tarun Chopra: no other planet > PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side > PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it > PK: and astronmy also > Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our own observations > > I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for astrological reasons. > > > PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not panacea > Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue > Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only > Tarun Chopra: they are free > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Mr Kumar Yes, i agree with you. Tarun ji, still seems to be evolving his new ayanamsa and once he completes the final structure (whatever, he preceived logically and can justify with rationale)..then perhaps, he has bigger onus to justify in through published material (on the forum / off the forum) with large number of sample data and events. Until this is done, very few astrologers will take it for experimentation, in its present form. regards / Prafulla Gang The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > gbp_kumar > Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) > > Tarun chopra- ayanamsa > > Dear Members, > > Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new > thing > all TARUN's > that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. > that is > rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their > charts > take values of rahu and ketu > this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, > explore this new rule > > this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar > PK: only faster moving ones change > Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu > PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change > Tarun Chopra: no other planet > PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side > PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it > PK: and astronmy also > Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our > own observations > > I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that > it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for > astrological reasons. > > > PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or > important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not > panacea > Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue > Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only > Tarun Chopra: they are free > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > but > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > 09840051861 > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Also, I am not so certain if the 'ayanamsha' is really all that broken to need a repair. Particularly a drastic repair. RR , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mr Kumar > > Yes, i agree with you. > > Tarun ji, still seems to be evolving his new ayanamsa and once he completes the final structure (whatever, he preceived logically and can justify with rationale)..then perhaps, he has bigger onus to justify in through published material (on the forum / off the forum) with large number of sample data and events. > > Until this is done, very few astrologers will take it for experimentation, in its present form. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Tarun chopra- ayanamsa > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Yesterday Tarun chatted with me briefly saying that he disoovered a new > > thing > > all TARUN's > > that irrespective of ayanamsa Rahu, ketu is Tropical. > > that is > > rahu and ketu are stationed acording to tropical ayanamsha in their > > charts > > take values of rahu and ketu > > this thing will feel like absurd, but it is going like this only, > > explore this new rule > > > > this way u look all slow moving planets will be similar > > PK: only faster moving ones change > > Tarun Chopra: no only rahu and ketu > > PK: signs with ayanamsa and all BORDER CASS AS PER ANY AYANAMSA change > > Tarun Chopra: no other planet > > PK: and dont touch ayanamsa too far from lahiri max 2 deg either side > > PK: it s dangerous without studying VEDAS for it > > PK: and astronmy also > > Tarun Chopra: forget about vedas we should be open and explore with our > > own observations > > > > I told him ho vedas talk of Vakya Panchanga he doesn't even know that > > it exists, and Vakya is used for most religious reasons and Drik for > > astrological reasons. > > > > > > PK: we know very little of astrology so why make ayanamsa the baisis or > > important thing to predict, anyanmsa is a tool not the end result, not > > panacea > > Tarun Chopra: sorry no more discusion of this issue > > Tarun Chopra: i am not compeling it to people use my method only > > Tarun Chopra: they are free > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar G B > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group > > but > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- > > 09840051861 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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