How to know guru is capable to lead .

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Dear sirs,

on other list there was a lively discussion about how to know,if

a guru is capable of leading disciple to liberation.

Much about spirituality is discussed in jyotish .Relationship

between Atmakarka and Lagnesh is all about spiritualism.Can experts

guide how to examine from chart two things.

1. Native will meet and initiated by capable GURU.

2. Native is enlightened being capable of initiating others from

Chart.

This is also well known after a stage of progress on spiritual path

jyotish looses its hold on native.

 

In the mean time here are the detais of posting on the other list.

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Posted by: "Dhirendra Pal Singh" dpal.singh

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:46 am (PST)

Hey Venkata,

I will try to answer the question to the best of my ability.

 

A) how to know that whether the guru is realised?

 

In my first Guru's Lineage, there is a story. That will explain the

complexity of this problem. I haven't found a better story yet so I

am going

to share it with you. Be advised grammar could be bad so please

correct it.

 

A kids father died, when he was young. His dad was a jeweller so

they were pretty good. But soon all the money was used up. He and

his mother started having hard times. One day , the kid found a

stone that was a bit shiny. He assumed that its unprocessed diamond.

Luckily his uncle (father's brother) was also a jeweller. He went to

his uncle and asked him that he has a diamond which he wants to sell

to him (kid's uncle) so that he can make money and support his

mother. Uncle was in a situation as it was just a stone. So he

(uncle ) said to the kid, "How about this, I will hold on to

this precious stone, while you start working with me, to gain

knowledge about stones, once you grow up you can have this stone

back, and make more money. Mean while you can earn as you are

working here and support your mother." Kid thought that its a good

idea and start working there. It was only when he grew up he found

out that it was just a stone, but by then he became a big jeweller

himself and , well lived happily ever after.

Now the question whether your guru is realised or not, is very

similar to the situation of a kid having a stone in your hand and

thinking its a diamond. Lets analyse and think. If his uncle has

told him that its not a diamond but just a stone, kid would have

thought that his uncle is trying to cheat him as he was A) too Young

to understand the situation B) had no knowledge of how to determine

wthere its a diamond or stone. On the other hand the uncle cant say

its a real stone either as then the kid would have wanted to get the

money from uncle by selling it.

So my dear friend, the question you have asked is very

complicated... But

does that means you should believe in who ever comes and says I

am "realised guru". Heck no. You try to grow daily, and most of all

pray, to your diety, Mother asking for a guru and keep trying. As

you don't want to miss a realised guru either.. There is another

very nice story in Buddhism..

A wanderling was .. well .. wandering.. He came across Buddha.

Wanderling : who are you?

Buddha : I am the Buddha. The one and only Buddha. Wanderling : if

only it was so.... and wandered...

Perhaps that why it is said, its not you who search your guru, but

its a guru who searches for you. Because only he/she can know the

truth.. From this side, our judgement can be flawed..

B) can we have more then 1 guru. ?

There are some gurus who prohibit it.. dont know the reason.

Bhisham Pitamah had 3 Gurus chosen by his Mother Ganga. Perhaps

thats why he was able to defeat one of his master later in a fight.

Lord Ram asked his borther Lakshman to go and get knowledge from

Ravan while he was dying... another fantastic example of how

knowledge can and should be gathered from anywhere and everywhere.

Off course this doesnt mean that you start listening to some psycho

and become a psycho yourself.. As we all know Ravan was one of

the biggest learned of his times.

I hope you shall find what you are looking for..

Thanks and Regards

Dp