Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe he will go away again... Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, Supriti Omenka Nnadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > he will go away again... Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. Negative? What can you say about someone who only sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because he did some time in the slammer. > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Mike, These kinds of messages (which put down and humiliate and reject someone publicly, even if the person isn't much "liked' or approved of by others in this group) are just as much forms of defamation and slander, and these kinds of messages set a very poor spiritual example by the group moderator and others who continue to indulge in this kind of stuff. Jeanette Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I agree with Jeanette. Would Amma turn anyone away or ignore them due to them seeming to thrive on negativity? Of course not, it is all just part of Her Game. To encourage such a response to anyone is definitely not a good thing, if we are to encourage ourselves to love all as Amma does. Jai Maa! -Katie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Mike, Your comments are way overboard, especially coming from the moderator. This was not the first time some very disparaging comments were made about Tomgull, and I give him credit that he did not respond in kind to those posts. Now I dont agree with all that tomgull says, but I sense that he is facing a lot of struggle in his daily life and maybe ill health too, so let us pray that things work out for Tom. Did Amma teach that those who are perceived to be "negative" be forgiven or that they be singled out and humiliated?? Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Maybe Keval is grumpy because the Toronto Blue Jays lost to the Amazing NY Mets today in baseball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 I read with some amusement the posts now attacking Keval saying, not to attack anyone..lol..and now I felt I just needed to say that I felt he was pretty darn nice about the whole thing. He stood up for Temba (is that really wrong to do?) and simply suggested writing offlist if you feel you must respond to a negative comment. I think those are great ideas that we might want to consider. I recall one of the Swamis being slammed on here-do we sit silent? I don't think so. Amma may have faced someone with a knife, but She also does not condone wrong action by always ignoring it either. At any rate, I don't want this to also turn into another flame war either so I hope that it does not do that. I prefer we move on to other things-and I'd love to hear more about Amma's tour! We leave for Dallas this weekend....wahoooooooooooo!!!! Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya, Please forgive me, but I'm a little confused here. There was no post that I read or wrote that in any way "attacked" Keval. I really do not understand how you could project an attack into that post. We are simply suggesting that we treat each other with respect. That is all. There is no attack in respect. Respecting often requires that we see God within the other person, even when the other person can not see that divine within him/herself or anyone else. There is a difference between a person and his or her behavior. We can respect the person without condoning their behavior. It is a lack of respect that leads to flaming. Where did you see a lack of respect in the posts that remind us all to be respectful? In Her Love, Sanatani n2amma <a1driane (AT) swbell (DOT) net> wrote: I read with some amusement the posts now attacking Keval saying, not to attack anyone..lol..and now I felt I just needed to say that I felt he was pretty darn nice about the whole thing. He stood up for Temba (is that really wrong to do?) and simply suggested writing offlist if you feel you must respond to a negative comment. I think those are great ideas that we might want to consider. I recall one of the Swamis being slammed on here-do we sit silent? I don't think so. Amma may have faced someone with a knife, but She also does not condone wrong action by always ignoring it either. At any rate, I don't want this to also turn into another flame war either so I hope that it does not do that. I prefer we move on to other things-and I'd love to hear more about Amma's tour! We leave for Dallas this weekend....wahoooooooooooo!!!! Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Ammachi, sanatani urban <sanatani wrote: > Namaste Looks like a misunderstanding to me. Peace be with you all and I will see Amma for the first time on July 5th in my birthplace of Chicago I really need a hug.Life has been so crazy lately.Also I hope to make up with a friend. Please pray for me ! Peace > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Please forgive me, but I'm a little confused here. There was no post that I read or wrote that in any way "attacked" Keval. I really do not understand how you could project an attack into that post. We are simply suggesting that we treat each other with respect. That is all. There is no attack in respect. Respecting often requires that we see God within the other person, even when the other person can not see that divine within him/herself or anyone else. There is a difference between a person and his or her behavior. We can respect the person without condoning their behavior. It is a lack of respect that leads to flaming. Where did you see a lack of respect in the posts that remind us all to be respectful? > > In Her Love, > Sanatani > > n2amma <a1driane wrote: > I read with some amusement the posts now attacking Keval saying, not > to attack anyone..lol..and now I felt I just needed to say that I > felt he was pretty darn nice about the whole thing. > > He stood up for Temba (is that really wrong to do?) and simply > suggested writing offlist if you feel you must respond to a negative > comment. I think those are great ideas that we might want to > consider. I recall one of the Swamis being slammed on here-do we sit > silent? I don't think so. Amma may have faced someone with a knife, > but She also does not condone wrong action by always ignoring it > either. At any rate, I don't want this to also turn into another > flame war either so I hope that it does not do that. I prefer we move > on to other things-and I'd love to hear more about Amma's tour! > > We leave for Dallas this weekend....wahoooooooooooo!!!! > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > > he will go away again... > > > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > > > > Keval > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 this is to compliment what you are saying.if we LOVE him and challenge ourselves to see him as AMMA does ,then maybe his heart will open or even melt...tom is AMMA testing us all...this is how this child sees it...love you >Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka > >Ammachi >Ammachi > FYI >Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:30:31 -0700 (PDT) > >FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative feedback - if you ignore >him, like I do, then maybe he will go away again... > > >Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > >Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 I thrive on truth, and if making me go away is the goal, maybe I'll take a break. tom Ammachi, Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka wrote: > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe he will go away again... > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Very insiteful... I'll put it in English this time: "Y'all are putting Temba on a pedastal, like y'all do Dayamrita. If you really cared about him, you'd be supportive of him, but stop praising him. Y'all are assuming, by making such repeated praises of "Oh, how inspiring!", that there aren't people of even greater inspiration. But how will you ever know... when such "small" stories are glorified so much? I'm sure there's many stories like Temba's out there, so why don't you just drop it? In the end, he'll end up attached to this drama and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. The grace he's receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace that Amma gives. Many people waste their grace in this period, and then act surprised later, not really have done any sadhana to bring them to a higher understanding. I couldn't care less how much time someone has spent in jail or other activities, but it's easy to get attention from it. There's plenty of devotees that were very atheistic and scientific before meeting Amma. There's one story of a modern Catholic priest (can't remember his name) who wrote a book about his conversion process from being a playboy airline pilot, even trafficking drugs, and another famous priest that will tell stories of Hollywood parties before becoming a priest. Both talk like it's a big deal (it is for them), but they don't realize it's not inspiring because you basically did what you wanted, and partied hard before "finding God". So what, the prodigal son returns, yeah for Temba! tom Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 During this tour of Amma's, it bothered me when people profoundly thanked or complimented me. Right after my ego was built up, a test of my hidden vasanas soon followed. It was helpful to respond to compliments with a reminder that our blessings are by Amma's Grace, & that I was also being blessed by Amma if I could be an instrument, in the right place, at the right time, by Grace. Tom <tomgull (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Very insiteful... I'll put it in English this time: "Y'all are putting Temba on a pedastal, like y'all do Dayamrita. If you really cared about him, you'd be supportive of him, but stop praising him. Y'all are assuming, by making such repeated praises of "Oh, how inspiring!", that there aren't people of even greater inspiration. But how will you ever know... when such "small" stories are glorified so much? I'm sure there's many stories like Temba's out there, so why don't you just drop it? In the end, he'll end up attached to this drama and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. The grace he's receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace that Amma gives. Many people waste their grace in this period, and then act surprised later, not really have done any sadhana to bring them to a higher understanding. I couldn't care less how much time someone has spent in jail or other activities, but it's easy to get attention from it. There's plenty of devotees that were very atheistic and scientific before meeting Amma. There's one story of a modern Catholic priest (can't remember his name) who wrote a book about his conversion process from being a playboy airline pilot, even trafficking drugs, and another famous priest that will tell stories of Hollywood parties before becoming a priest. Both talk like it's a big deal (it is for them), but they don't realize it's not inspiring because you basically did what you wanted, and partied hard before "finding God". So what, the prodigal son returns, yeah for Temba! tom Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > he will go away again... > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > Keval > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 ONS Very interesting insight. We are all a part of this Leela, and all learning from this dialog. Tom has insight that will prove helpful to us all. We can see one another as mirrors. If we have been ruffled in anyway...it is a good indication of where we still hold attachment to attention..... I had this insight about the ego while at Devi Bhava in LA. All I wanted to do was sit there and soak in the sublime shakti that was streaming throughout the hall. But most others were engaged in conversations, so that it felt like people where having to talk over one another to be heard as there were like 3000 or more people in the hall. It is the ego that wants the attention. We have to choose...do we want the ego or Divine Bliss?....Even in Amma's presence, people are still choosing the ego. Thanks for the statement below. In the end, he'll end up > attached to this drama > and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. > The grace he's > receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace > that Amma gives. > Many people waste their grace in this period, and > then act surprised > later, not really have done any sadhana to bring > them to a higher > understanding. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Personally, I think that talking about a group member in a negative way, as if they aren't here, is a very unkind, hurtful thing to do. This has been done a lot in the past couple of days. I know this opinion is not popular, but it is painful for me, at least, to watch someone put down in this way.. Tom wrote: > > I thrive on truth, and if making me go away is the goal, maybe I'll > take a break. > > tom > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40>, > Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka > wrote: > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative feedback - if you > ignore him, like I do, then maybe he will go away again... > > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya! Excellent point! We have so much to learn from one another, especially when something makes us uncomfortable or reactive. These are the juiciest opportunities to take a good look within, and do house cleaning. On another note, I have also found it very frustrating to try and dive deeply into Her in the hall while She is there, and have to navigate around people's conversations about what restaurant they ate dinner at last night, etc. It used to shock and amaze me that God was in the room and people would be discussing the most mundane things! It would bring up a lot anger and frustration in me. Then I would remember to ask Her for help inwardly, and then quickly find myself in that precious, deeply silent space where nothing existed but Her presence. Oh how precious, and how miraculous! We have a Mother like no other! Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma Jai Ma! In Her, Sanatani Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: ONS Very interesting insight. We are all a part of this Leela, and all learning from this dialog. Tom has insight that will prove helpful to us all. We can see one another as mirrors. If we have been ruffled in anyway...it is a good indication of where we still hold attachment to attention..... I had this insight about the ego while at Devi Bhava in LA. All I wanted to do was sit there and soak in the sublime shakti that was streaming throughout the hall. But most others were engaged in conversations, so that it felt like people where having to talk over one another to be heard as there were like 3000 or more people in the hall. It is the ego that wants the attention. We have to choose...do we want the ego or Divine Bliss?....Even in Amma's presence, people are still choosing the ego. Thanks for the statement below. In the end, he'll end up > attached to this drama > and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. > The grace he's > receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace > that Amma gives. > Many people waste their grace in this period, and > then act surprised > later, not really have done any sadhana to bring > them to a higher > understanding. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 I agree, Prasadini. I am not always in agreement with Tom's choice of words or with his opinions, but I still feel that we should try to lift each other up with our words, even when those we speak to/of have offended us (i.e. Amma's example of the tree that gives shade even while being cut down). And there is always the option of remaining silent when we are offended. Tom, it is not my wish that you leave the group. love, Prajna Prasadini <ganesh1008 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Personally, I think that talking about a group member in a negative way, as if they aren't here, is a very unkind, hurtful thing to do. This has been done a lot in the past couple of days. I know this opinion is not popular, but it is painful for me, at least, to watch someone put down in this way.. Tom wrote: > > I thrive on truth, and if making me go away is the goal, maybe I'll > take a break. > > tom > > Ammachi <Ammachi%40>, > Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka > wrote: > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative feedback - if you > ignore him, like I do, then maybe he will go away again... > > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 dear brother tom.your brother new that you cared about him and he thanks you for your tuff love... a wise one once taught AMMAs sun that we all just do the best we can.we are all at different levels of awareness..the mind can come up with a million different ways to say the same thing... AMMA says that a compliment can be more dangerous then an insult for a spriritual seeker.you are correct when you say what you say and AMMAs sun thanks you for reminding him to stay LOW SO THAT HE CAN GROW... "GOD LOVES a contrite and humble spirit."thats one of tembas favorite quots in the book of proverbs...JESUS said that "we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless we remain child like.".AMMA said "your innocent desire will happen in time." the bigger picture is that whatever happens to this child is not so important..i should have died to this body some time ago,but SHE had greater plans for this child... dear brother tom,what motivates this child isnt what comes from outside of him.its what AMMA has placed 'IN' this heart that keeps him going...what is in this heart is what allows this child to only respond to you with love and gratitude for you being one of AMMAs precious forms.. dear brother tom,you may not know this,but your brother is IN LOVE with HER WAYS, never to be the same again..AMMAs sun is possesed by HER LOVE..wherever he ends up,he always ends up in HER LOVE and that is where he finds his dear beloved brother tom...tom you are love and through HER LOVE ,this child is able to extract the beauty from your most precious words.. dear brother tom,all of our lives are SACRED SCRIPTURES.some are more aware of that then others..temba uses his life as a scripture.AMMA has given this child this gift... arjunas life was used by KRSNA as scripture.GOD used all the prophets lives as a scripture...AMMA used HER LIFE AS A SACRED SCRIPTURE to bring us closer to the LOVE within...the storys of the past help us to open our hearts in the PRESENT MOMENT...this is how AMMA has used this life... all of our struggles and how we over came them are sacred storys...your story is sacred..ITS ALL AMMAs LEELA .is it not?IN ESSENCE we all have the same story...we are all one....we all are searching for the same thing.the story is just the bridge that help us get there... the books that you read where just guides in order that you may one day be guided to the truth of experience.. tom your brother bows to AMMA within you ,but he will not bow to your ego.....your motive is tainted but AMMA in you is still PURE AS EVER...... temba means: to give hope where there isnt any........if you would look with the eyes of awareness, you would see that that is what has happened...its not this child .its the vibration of the name dear brother..this body is but a vehicle of HER word(vibration,HER temba). we are all given a spiritual name in order that we grow into the EMBODIMENT of that name...you should research TOM and see what vibration you are carrying with you.... lastly....AMMA chanted this childs name in his ear in SAN RAMON...temba,temba,temba,temba,temba,ma,ma,ma,ma,ma,ma,ma,ma,ma,daughter,daugher....... when you know your purpose in life,you live in it.this life is not for this child.it is to bring HOPE TO THE HOPELESS.this is the gift that AMMA has given HER sun..the way he keeps this gift is through giving it away(loving tom)...love you tom... >"Tom" <tomgull (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: FYI >Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:39:14 -0000 > >Very insiteful... > >I'll put it in English this time: > >"Y'all are putting Temba on a pedastal, like y'all do Dayamrita. If >you really cared about him, you'd be supportive of him, but stop >praising him. Y'all are assuming, by making such repeated praises >of "Oh, how inspiring!", that there aren't people of even greater >inspiration. But how will you ever know... when such "small" >stories are glorified so much? > >I'm sure there's many stories like Temba's out there, so why don't >you just drop it? In the end, he'll end up attached to this drama >and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. The grace he's >receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace that Amma gives. >Many people waste their grace in this period, and then act surprised >later, not really have done any sadhana to bring them to a higher >understanding. > >I couldn't care less how much time someone has spent in jail or other >activities, but it's easy to get attention from it. There's plenty >of devotees that were very atheistic and scientific before meeting >Amma. There's one story of a modern Catholic priest (can't remember >his name) who wrote a book about his conversion process from being a >playboy airline pilot, even trafficking drugs, and another famous >priest that will tell stories of Hollywood parties before becoming a >priest. Both talk like it's a big deal (it is for them), but they >don't realize it's not inspiring because you basically did what you >wanted, and partied hard before "finding God". So what, the prodigal >son returns, yeah for Temba! > >tom > >Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > > he will go away again... > > > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > > > > Keval > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 AMMA love just wont stop.......love your brother temba.only here by way of HER GRACE...HER HUG ,HER FEET AND HER FACE...what would we do without AMMA? >Sweta Mitzel <swetabc > >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Re: FYI >Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:55 -0700 (PDT) > >During this tour of Amma's, it bothered me when people profoundly thanked >or complimented me. Right after my ego was built up, a test of my hidden >vasanas soon followed. It was helpful to respond to compliments with a >reminder that our blessings are by Amma's Grace, & that I was also being >blessed by Amma if I could be an instrument, in the right place, at the >right time, by Grace. > >Tom <tomgull (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Very >insiteful... > > I'll put it in English this time: > > "Y'all are putting Temba on a pedastal, like y'all do Dayamrita. If > you really cared about him, you'd be supportive of him, but stop > praising him. Y'all are assuming, by making such repeated praises > of "Oh, how inspiring!", that there aren't people of even greater > inspiration. But how will you ever know... when such "small" > stories are glorified so much? > > I'm sure there's many stories like Temba's out there, so why don't > you just drop it? In the end, he'll end up attached to this drama > and end up disappointed and disillusioned in Amma. The grace he's > receiving now is just the typical "binding" grace that Amma gives. > Many people waste their grace in this period, and then act surprised > later, not really have done any sadhana to bring them to a higher > understanding. > > I couldn't care less how much time someone has spent in jail or other > activities, but it's easy to get attention from it. There's plenty > of devotees that were very atheistic and scientific before meeting > Amma. There's one story of a modern Catholic priest (can't remember > his name) who wrote a book about his conversion process from being a > playboy airline pilot, even trafficking drugs, and another famous > priest that will tell stories of Hollywood parties before becoming a > priest. Both talk like it's a big deal (it is for them), but they > don't realize it's not inspiring because you basically did what you > wanted, and partied hard before "finding God". So what, the prodigal > son returns, yeah for Temba! > > tom > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > > > > > > FYI Tom thrives on negative energy and negative > > > feedback - if you ignore him, like I do, then maybe > > > he will go away again... > > > > Best to ignore tomgull's messages, or respond off-list > > if you must, and avoid bandwidth-wasting flame wars. > > Negative? What can you say about someone who only > > sees in Temba a convicted criminal.. oh well, guess > > Gandhi wouldn't be up to his standards either because > > he did some time in the slammer. > > > > > > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > > > > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > See ya in Chicago! (are you going to Toronto too?) > > > > > > Keval > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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