Seeking remedies, much more TAMIL use regular words- Sriganesh

June 16, 2006

Sriganesh,

Vittiuda pa, avangalkku Tamiz mozi odu maghime ennane puriyadhu.

Tatvam-Asi

sriganeshh <sriganeshh > wrote:

Dear Kumar,

it is sad even though you attempt to remain unbiased ...still your

message conveys...so much...you are trying to bring in the matter

out of context...

i would like to know .whether you are south indian or north indian..

your name suggests must be from karnataka or andhrapradesh...

the tamil "L" has 5 different terminology usage and the correct

transliteration is "Kazagam"...you mean to say the national daily

HINDU has no brain when they use the words...ridiculous...

your suggestion of "kalagam" means small tension or in fight...again

qualifying when i say infight it refers to in the family ...

suggest you to go through the best paper in india...The Hindu to get

better views and information on all subjects so that these sort of

messages can be avoided. Because again you are revealing your

ignorance of total issue of srilanka and its tamil population

(though i prefer to call it as ceylon...as somebody numerology

expert has said)..it is the srilankan government which started all

of sudden this nonsense in 1980's and never made any serious attempt

to solve the crisis...in fact it was playing....now it is paying the

price for its deeds...you are taking just the matter as it is on the

surface without any serious understanding the depth of the same..and

commenting..not suiting your standing.....

About RR's message...i cannot comment though i wish to since he is

my guru....(RRji...excuse me for even writing this...)

best wishes,

sriganeshh

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

>

> good u said on the standard PHONETIC symbols that come in

dictionaries or any language learner.

>

> anyone may to it not TAMILS like the mark on elephant

forehead litigation in privy council else why do TAMILS still sue

`Z' for in English to suggest their third LLA they have 3 la, la

and probably LLA use din say DMK, AIMDMk party names like k stands

for KALAGAM [party TAMILS in English write it as KAZAGAM. their r

inter party squabble or the way LTTE in Sri Lankka decimates

opposition even from their own Tamils is also similar though they

don't blend well with others on Language they UNITE but these

difference that they are holier than thou and what right you have

to say, TALK on any issues is common as each feels he has the

purest version of anything.

>

> so is the COCHARA other day. he never read a single

astrological book in English to know or for that matter so many

articles here to know GOCARA the way It is written, understood.

>

> AGAIN I HAVE NO BIAS IT IS JUST AN obesrvation as we see in day

to day life I hope Iam understood propelry.

>

> crystal pages <rrgb

wrote: Kumarji,

>

> Lest there be misunderstanding in the minds of any European

forum

> members, when I said, the transliteration bothers me or slows me

> down, it was not a comment on their language! What I meant was

the

> characters with diatribes etc that linguists use when writing a

> sanskrit sloka in another lipi, such as Roman (english, french

etc)

> in order to preserve the pronounciation of sanskrit when written

in a

> european language. Obviously, part of that is because of my

> familiarity with those symbols and puristically speaking that is

the

> right or at least uniform way, same as the pronounciation

symbols

> used in any dictionary! Without those we would not know how to

say a

> word properly. And to given an example from english, you can

write

> record only one way, but pronounce it two different ways and

each

> then means two different things! Of course, you know all that.

>

> Mon plaisir, monsieur, vraiment de parler avec un person

multilingue!

> J'admire les personnes comme ca!

>

> Si vous voulez essayiez, il ya une site web d'astrologie

(beaucoup

> des choses!) sur l'internet. Denis Laboure est le maitre du web

<?>.

> C'est magnifique!

>

> Bien amicalement!

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR,

> >

> > sure I agree with what u said on European As I have leart

french

> and seen german, spanish, Italine books at home, can't read

though.

> >

> > about tamils is these people can use the regular words but

they

> like sounding different all the time. that is why the mention

> here, and can all make sense of the different words from

regular

> words

> >

> > now a simple quiz for noN tamils

> >

> > FIX THE REGUALR WORD FOR THESE

> > AMOGAM

> > MAGAYA NAMAGE

> > UTTARADAM

> > PURVATTADI

> >

> > TIRUVADARAI

> > PUNARPUSAM

> > AYILYAM

> > THIRUVONAM

> > SADAYAM

> > KATTAI

> >

> > easier ones

> > Magam, Maham

> > chittarai

> > KIRITHIGAI

> > punarpusam

> > Miragashirisham

> >

> > this is byurereh tamil

> >

> > this is not to belittle anyone but we need soe estandard to

make

> ourselves clear to all. just as English is unlike other

European

> languages

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@>

> wrote: Kumar ji,

> >

> > If I may interject with a personal note (short one, I

> promise!) ...

> > Although I have no understanding of Tamil, I have always

found

> > these 'variations' very interesting, even attractive when

they

> appear

> > in astrological writing, and nearly always easily

understandable!

> >

> > OTOH, I find the 'transliteration' symbols used mostly in

> european

> > writings -- and also by some Indians writing for Europeans,

I

> > suppose -- more difficult to understand and actually those

slow

> me

> > down and thereby create a bit of frustration. The Tamil

variants

> > somehow feel less foreign and even pleasant. I am just being

very

> > honest and direct, no offense or bias intended towards

anyone.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Srinivasan and other tamils

> > >

> > > please USE regular /sanskrit or english names and not

tamil

> names

> > whch no ONE except tamils or ones knowing it can guess each

part

> of

> > TN has a diff sound to it also

> > >

> > > GOCHARA OR TRANSIT not cochara

> > > rahu or dragon head not ragu

> > > ketu or dragon tail not kedu

> > > [actually tamils the end is prounenced so terribley] say

> rAgeuh,

> > kEdeUh it is our fortune we dont have the sound bytes to

deal

> with

> > here. I live in chennai so can tell it is tamil but here we

have

> > Indian and international people so plsae use standard names

even

> for

> > stars please buy a simple book say Astrology for Beginers

by B V

> > RAMAN or Every Day astrology by VAK AYER.

> > > learn some right words and use them.

> > >

> > > I expect a egoistic reply like last time when I pointed

on

> > tamil's Privy council case in London durign British Raj days.

> > > and not a reasonable reply/

> > > srinivasan Natarajan <kethubles@>

> > wrote: sir, u r

sade

> sani

> > is still on till nov 2006, but with cochara the 5th place

is

> > ocuupied by jupitor, though there is something bothering u

> neednot

> > loose heart, MAKE SURE in u r mind that a glorious time is

there

> > after 22-10-2007. this will sure be different with the

present

> > situation. till nov 2006 on all saturdays offer fresh

butter to

> lord

> > hanuman and pray for his blessings we will sure pray for U

> > > NATARAJANSRINIVASAN KETHUBLES

> > > patrioticsir <patrioticsir@> wrote: Namaste all:

> > >

> > > My name is Aditya and I am an indian student currently

in the

> US.

> > My

> > > DOB is April 16, 1986 with birth time 7:10 pm in indore

city

> of

> > > madhya pradesh, india. My moon rashi is Mithun and I am

> currently

> > > running sadhe sati (as I understand it).

> > >

> > > Not to disclose the exact details but the past year or

so has

> been

> > > devastating in terms of everything. I was accused of

doing

> > something

> > > that I did admit to (foolish mistake) and was given a

> terrible

> > > suspension. I almost killed myself in attempted suicide

> (another

> > > stupid mistake something that I consider myself

completely

> out of

> > > character). I had to return to india and them come back.

> > >

> > > My luck is currently so bad that on my transit in milan

> > authorities

> > > actually frisked me and hit me only to later apologize

for

> the

> > > mistake. I have also wasted so much money in tuition so

far.

> My

> > > relationship with my family and parents ahs become worse

and

> > nobody

> > > really likes me. In March this year I got into a head

> accident

> > (not

> > > a serious one) and I somehow (yea even i dunno how i

have

> > survived)

> > >

> > > It has also apparently affected my father (his medical

> practice

> > has

> > > suffered) and my grandmother (as i consider her my guru)

who

> has

> > > somehow lost her mental/psychological balance. I also

> constantly

> > > bicker with my family.

> > >

> > > I had a few questions -

> > >

> > > i) Do you know for how long sadhe sati will end for

those in

> > mithun

> > > rashi - sometime in november 2006

> > >

> > > ii) I am also running the venus antardasha and saturn

> mahadasha

> > WITH

> > > THE SADHE SATI - is that bad ? what is particularly bad

in my

> > kundli

> > > that is causing all of this and is there a time when

this

> should

> > > end ??

> > >

> > > iii) Are there any remedies that I could use - i tried

doing

> > > hanuman chalisa and shani kavacha but absolutely

everything is

> > > getting ruined on a daily basis and I really need a

solution

> > >

> > > iv) I was hoping to find a way to prevent things from

> happenign

> > to

> > > my family as well.

> > >

> > > please help me

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

> > >

June 16, 2006

Respected Tatvam Asiji,

thanks..i understood..will leave it...there are ways to check this...

but it is my pity that this board is being used for propaganda

against tamils...

thanks once again....

sriganeshh

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Sriganesh,

> Vittiuda pa, avangalkku Tamiz mozi odu maghime ennane puriyadhu.

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> sriganeshh <sriganeshh wrote:

> Dear Kumar,

>

> it is sad even though you attempt to remain unbiased ...still your

> message conveys...so much...you are trying to bring in the matter

> out of context...

>

> i would like to know .whether you are south indian or north

indian..

> your name suggests must be from karnataka or andhrapradesh...

>

> the tamil "L" has 5 different terminology usage and the correct

> transliteration is "Kazagam"...you mean to say the national daily

> HINDU has no brain when they use the words...ridiculous...

>

> your suggestion of "kalagam" means small tension or in

fight...again

> qualifying when i say infight it refers to in the family ...

>

> suggest you to go through the best paper in india...The Hindu to

get

> better views and information on all subjects so that these sort of

> messages can be avoided. Because again you are revealing your

> ignorance of total issue of srilanka and its tamil population

> (though i prefer to call it as ceylon...as somebody numerology

> expert has said)..it is the srilankan government which started all

> of sudden this nonsense in 1980's and never made any serious

attempt

> to solve the crisis...in fact it was playing....now it is paying

the

> price for its deeds...you are taking just the matter as it is on

the

> surface without any serious understanding the depth of the

same..and

> commenting..not suiting your standing.....

>

> About RR's message...i cannot comment though i wish to since he is

> my guru....(RRji...excuse me for even writing this...)

>

> best wishes,

> sriganeshh

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR,

> >

> > good u said on the standard PHONETIC symbols that come in

> dictionaries or any language learner.

> >

> > anyone may to it not TAMILS like the mark on elephant

> forehead litigation in privy council else why do TAMILS still sue

> `Z' for in English to suggest their third LLA they have 3 la, la

> and probably LLA use din say DMK, AIMDMk party names like k stands

> for KALAGAM [party TAMILS in English write it as KAZAGAM. their

r

> inter party squabble or the way LTTE in Sri Lankka decimates

> opposition even from their own Tamils is also similar though they

> don't blend well with others on Language they UNITE but these

> difference that they are holier than thou and what right you have

> to say, TALK on any issues is common as each feels he has the

> purest version of anything.

> >

> > so is the COCHARA other day. he never read a single

> astrological book in English to know or for that matter so many

> articles here to know GOCARA the way It is written, understood.

> >

> > AGAIN I HAVE NO BIAS IT IS JUST AN obesrvation as we see in day

> to day life I hope Iam understood propelry.

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@>

> wrote: Kumarji,

> >

> > Lest there be misunderstanding in the minds of any European

> forum

> > members, when I said, the transliteration bothers me or slows me

> > down, it was not a comment on their language! What I meant was

> the

> > characters with diatribes etc that linguists use when writing a

> > sanskrit sloka in another lipi, such as Roman (english, french

> etc)

> > in order to preserve the pronounciation of sanskrit when written

> in a

> > european language. Obviously, part of that is because of my

> > familiarity with those symbols and puristically speaking that is

> the

> > right or at least uniform way, same as the pronounciation

> symbols

> > used in any dictionary! Without those we would not know how to

> say a

> > word properly. And to given an example from english, you can

> write

> > record only one way, but pronounce it two different ways and

> each

> > then means two different things! Of course, you know all that.

> >

> > Mon plaisir, monsieur, vraiment de parler avec un person

> multilingue!

> > J'admire les personnes comme ca!

> >

> > Si vous voulez essayiez, il ya une site web d'astrologie

> (beaucoup

> > des choses!) sur l'internet. Denis Laboure est le maitre du web

> <?>.

> > C'est magnifique!

> >

> > Bien amicalement!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RR,

> > >

> > > sure I agree with what u said on European As I have leart

> french

> > and seen german, spanish, Italine books at home, can't read

> though.

> > >

> > > about tamils is these people can use the regular words but

> they

> > like sounding different all the time. that is why the mention

> > here, and can all make sense of the different words from

> regular

> > words

> > >

> > > now a simple quiz for noN tamils

> > >

> > > FIX THE REGUALR WORD FOR THESE

> > > AMOGAM

> > > MAGAYA NAMAGE

> > > UTTARADAM

> > > PURVATTADI

> > >

> > > TIRUVADARAI

> > > PUNARPUSAM

> > > AYILYAM

> > > THIRUVONAM

> > > SADAYAM

> > > KATTAI

> > >

> > > easier ones

> > > Magam, Maham

> > > chittarai

> > > KIRITHIGAI

> > > punarpusam

> > > Miragashirisham

> > >

> > > this is byurereh tamil

> > >

> > > this is not to belittle anyone but we need soe estandard to

> make

> > ourselves clear to all. just as English is unlike other

> European

> > languages

> > >

> > > crystal pages <rrgb@>

> > wrote: Kumar ji,

> > >

> > > If I may interject with a personal note (short one, I

> > promise!) ...

> > > Although I have no understanding of Tamil, I have always

> found

> > > these 'variations' very interesting, even attractive when

> they

> > appear

> > > in astrological writing, and nearly always easily

> understandable!

> > >

> > > OTOH, I find the 'transliteration' symbols used mostly in

> > european

> > > writings -- and also by some Indians writing for Europeans,

> I

> > > suppose -- more difficult to understand and actually those

> slow

> > me

> > > down and thereby create a bit of frustration. The Tamil

> variants

> > > somehow feel less foreign and even pleasant. I am just being

> very

> > > honest and direct, no offense or bias intended towards

> anyone.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Srinivasan and other tamils

> > > >

> > > > please USE regular /sanskrit or english names and not

> tamil

> > names

> > > whch no ONE except tamils or ones knowing it can guess each

> part

> > of

> > > TN has a diff sound to it also

> > > >

> > > > GOCHARA OR TRANSIT not cochara

> > > > rahu or dragon head not ragu

> > > > ketu or dragon tail not kedu

> > > > [actually tamils the end is prounenced so terribley] say

> > rAgeuh,

> > > kEdeUh it is our fortune we dont have the sound bytes to

> deal

> > with

> > > here. I live in chennai so can tell it is tamil but here we

> have

> > > Indian and international people so plsae use standard names

> even

> > for

> > > stars please buy a simple book say Astrology for Beginers

> by B V

> > > RAMAN or Every Day astrology by VAK AYER.

> > > > learn some right words and use them.

> > > >

> > > > I expect a egoistic reply like last time when I pointed

> on

> > > tamil's Privy council case in London durign British Raj days.

> > > > and not a reasonable reply/

> > > > srinivasan Natarajan <kethubles@>

> > > wrote: sir, u r

> sade

> > sani

> > > is still on till nov 2006, but with cochara the 5th place

> is

> > > ocuupied by jupitor, though there is something bothering u

> > neednot

> > > loose heart, MAKE SURE in u r mind that a glorious time is

> there

> > > after 22-10-2007. this will sure be different with the

> present

> > > situation. till nov 2006 on all saturdays offer fresh

> butter to

> > lord

> > > hanuman and pray for his blessings we will sure pray for U

> > > > NATARAJANSRINIVASAN KETHUBLES

> > > > patrioticsir <patrioticsir@> wrote: Namaste all:

> > > >

> > > > My name is Aditya and I am an indian student currently

> in the

> > US.

> > > My

> > > > DOB is April 16, 1986 with birth time 7:10 pm in indore

> city

> > of

> > > > madhya pradesh, india. My moon rashi is Mithun and I am

> > currently

> > > > running sadhe sati (as I understand it).

> > > >

> > > > Not to disclose the exact details but the past year or

> so has

> > been

> > > > devastating in terms of everything. I was accused of

> doing

> > > something

> > > > that I did admit to (foolish mistake) and was given a

> > terrible

> > > > suspension. I almost killed myself in attempted suicide

> > (another

> > > > stupid mistake something that I consider myself

> completely

> > out of

> > > > character). I had to return to india and them come back.

> > > >

> > > > My luck is currently so bad that on my transit in milan

> > > authorities

> > > > actually frisked me and hit me only to later apologize

> for

> > the

> > > > mistake. I have also wasted so much money in tuition so

> far.

> > My

> > > > relationship with my family and parents ahs become worse

> and

> > > nobody

> > > > really likes me. In March this year I got into a head

> > accident

> > > (not

> > > > a serious one) and I somehow (yea even i dunno how i

> have

> > > survived)

> > > >

> > > > It has also apparently affected my father (his medical

> > practice

> > > has

> > > > suffered) and my grandmother (as i consider her my guru)

> who

> > has

> > > > somehow lost her mental/psychological balance. I also

> > constantly

> > > > bicker with my family.

> > > >

> > > > I had a few questions -

> > > >

> > > > i) Do you know for how long sadhe sati will end for

> those in

> > > mithun

> > > > rashi - sometime in november 2006

> > > >

> > > > ii) I am also running the venus antardasha and saturn

> > mahadasha

> > > WITH

> > > > THE SADHE SATI - is that bad ? what is particularly bad

> in my

> > > kundli

> > > > that is causing all of this and is there a time when

> this

> > should

> > > > end ??

> > > >

> > > > iii) Are there any remedies that I could use - i tried

> doing

> > > > hanuman chalisa and shani kavacha but absolutely

> everything is

> > > > getting ruined on a daily basis and I really need a

> solution

> > > >

> > > > iv) I was hoping to find a way to prevent things from

> > happenign

> > > to

> > > > my family as well.

> > > >

> > > > please help me

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> > around

> > > >

June 16, 2006

Sriganesh, Tatvamasi

sure no u r geting me wrong on most issues no bias I am born in chennai and live in chennai.

it is simple even if u saw last TN election debats on SUN TV, JAYA TV u need nothing more to explain the holier than than thou the tamiler than thou that the current CM has no lvoe for tamil and all his relatives either use Sanskrit nmes or foregin names say stalin, neoplen etc. on one and other bla bla...

I am just a viewer and u read what i saw.

about india's best paper i feel it is deccan chronicle, times of india, Indian express. Deccan chronicle as it covers a lot more news than views and esp abt Pakistan no useful info comes fom any Indian paper we need to know what our neighbours are doing and what they feel about us, not just at poltical events all time

HINDU, NDTV are pure left party banners.

N RAM of Hindu in a speech in London said

INDIA IS A DESPORATE NATION TO BECOME A Permenant SECURITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS DITCHIGN IRAN...... from India's national newspaper

do we wash our dirty linen in Public? he is free to do it here every day, outside u project the better side of ur nation.

and IRAN is a diff issue the dyanamics people in the hot seat know better.

about celyon sure whatever the background do u have to kill ur own to remain the only voice of tamils the way other democratic parties or even other freedom fighters there are killed more by their own than their enemies.

but he background as I know is u go to some country to work can claim the area of it becasue u r there for some period as Negors came to N AMERICA, from africa, west indies, Fijji, Indians also live in Fijji, mauritious too, as farm labourers who went from here. just that these guys did it they were haramsed surely by their locals if ur homeland is claimed by others, what will u do samething is the problem in Assam of Bangladishis, who came as refugees worked but settled here beyond their time of help here.

ANY WAY i must not derail the forum, I am not against any one I m only saying what is visible on local TV here.

Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om > wrote: Sriganesh,