Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Usually Tom, Ive noticed around Amma, that it doesn't make sense to "blame" people. I try to see folks around Amma as acting out her will for me. Thats really useful, because you take things with a constructive attitude. I bet if you really wanted to, you could have put forth a wee bit more effort towards paying a lodging fee, been more flexible and persistent in your attitude and a way would have been made for you to volunteer. It shows a more cooperative attitude if you "get with the program". Sometimes going with the flow is whats called for. Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > > The clear difference in my point and the original poster is that I'm > talking about making exceptions for "need". In my case, I was not > asking to be paid, only a clean floor to sleep on. I was willing to > pay travel costs across the ocean and pay for food, but the man in > charge of the karma program insisted the program was only 2 weeks > long and if I recall said there'd be a fee for lodging. > > As locally, things tend to be geared towards those who are > financially comfortable. NORMALLY, yes, you should pay for lodging > if you're able to. With my life, this was my only chance to come and > serve, and certain prideful managers didn't see it that way, > thanks! not > > tom > > Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji@> wrote: > > > > The karma yogis do pay a small fee for food and water, etc. A good > friend of mine just did the program recently, and he had a wonderful > time and was not at all bothered by the small fee. In fact, it was a > life-changing experience for him. If we are getting paid for doing > our seva, than it's not really "selfless" service, is it? Also, how > could it possibly be determined who deserves a salary and who > doesn't? All of the money comes from the devotee's donations, and > they no doubt expect their donation to go towards all that wonderful > humanitarian work we hear so much about. The volunteer aspect is one > of the things that makes the MA organization so respectable, and > distinguishes it from so many others. > > > > love, > > > > Prajna > > > > amalia_darling94804 <amaliadarling@> wrote: > > <<Yes, the MA Center does offer opportunities for karma > yoga. In > > exchange for needed work, people can live there without paying the > > usual "rent." They are "paying" by doing the needed work.>> > > > > As far as I know karma yogis pay a stipend when they stay at the > > ashram. What Amma told Jani, who helps manage the tour staff, is > > that if people get too much in return for their service work, then > > it doesn't function as seva. It is my understanding that seva is a > > spiritual practice that removes karma. If one gets paid or gets > > perks then it will not remove the karma as effectively. > > > > My kids work hard and save their money all year to pay their staff > > fees and transportation for the N.American tour. They are very > > grateful for the opportunity of being able to serve Amma and it > > seems to be paying off spiritually. > > > > in Amma, > > Amalia > > Ôm Amriteswaryai Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: > Awareness." - Amma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 YES, chris, self-sacrifice and getting along with everyone else in the organization are essential to make Amma's Work possible in this crazy, insane world i personally do not feel strong enough; that's why i am starting of with small things that I can handle; and Amma does the rest; Amma give each of us what we need ~ small, large, medium amma bless, amarnath PS ~ actually on my long spiritual path, going back to simple small things which i may have neglected in the past "it is not how much we give, but how much LOVE we put into the giving" Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 wrote: > > Usually Tom, Ive noticed around Amma, that it doesn't make sense > to "blame" people. I try to see folks around Amma as acting out her > will for me. Thats really useful, because you take things with a > constructive attitude. > > I bet if you really wanted to, you could have put forth a wee bit > more effort towards paying a lodging fee, been more flexible and > persistent in your attitude and a way would have been made for you > to volunteer. It shows a more cooperative attitude if you "get with > the program". Sometimes going with the flow is whats called for. > > > > Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@> wrote: > > > > The clear difference in my point and the original poster is that > I'm > > talking about making exceptions for "need". In my case, I was not > > asking to be paid, only a clean floor to sleep on. I was willing > to > > pay travel costs across the ocean and pay for food, but the man in > > charge of the karma program insisted the program was only 2 weeks > > long and if I recall said there'd be a fee for lodging. > > > > As locally, things tend to be geared towards those who are > > financially comfortable. NORMALLY, yes, you should pay for > lodging > > if you're able to. With my life, this was my only chance to come > and > > serve, and certain prideful managers didn't see it that way, > > thanks! not > > > > tom > > > > Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji@> wrote: > > > > > > The karma yogis do pay a small fee for food and water, etc. A > good > > friend of mine just did the program recently, and he had a > wonderful > > time and was not at all bothered by the small fee. In fact, it was > a > > life-changing experience for him. If we are getting paid for doing > > our seva, than it's not really "selfless" service, is it? Also, > how > > could it possibly be determined who deserves a salary and who > > doesn't? All of the money comes from the devotee's donations, and > > they no doubt expect their donation to go towards all that > wonderful > > humanitarian work we hear so much about. The volunteer aspect is > one > > of the things that makes the MA organization so respectable, and > > distinguishes it from so many others. > > > > > > love, > > > > > > Prajna > > > > > > amalia_darling94804 <amaliadarling@> wrote: > > > <<Yes, the MA Center does offer opportunities for > karma > > yoga. In > > > exchange for needed work, people can live there without paying > the > > > usual "rent." They are "paying" by doing the needed work.>> > > > > > > As far as I know karma yogis pay a stipend when they stay at the > > > ashram. What Amma told Jani, who helps manage the tour staff, is > > > that if people get too much in return for their service work, > then > > > it doesn't function as seva. It is my understanding that seva is > a > > > spiritual practice that removes karma. If one gets paid or gets > > > perks then it will not remove the karma as effectively. > > > > > > My kids work hard and save their money all year to pay their > staff > > > fees and transportation for the N.American tour. They are very > > > grateful for the opportunity of being able to serve Amma and it > > > seems to be paying off spiritually. > > > > > > in Amma, > > > Amalia > > > Ôm Amriteswaryai Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: > > Awareness." - Amma > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 And you're also a follower of the ineffective Generic Spirituality as many are on this board. How long have you been doing this spirituality stuff? If I were you, I'd be ashamed of such... well I'll stop since I know you've stopped reading by now. And who's to say someone isn't Acting Out Amma's Will in sharing so- called "blame" with you. If you're always right, then how can you learn? Oh I get it. The ever-popular: "I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong." "Oh Lord, I am Ignorant, but I'm not THAT Ignorant!". I've been going with the flow for many years before applying for the Karma Yoga program, in fact, I've been "Surfin' the Waves of Destiny" quite successfully. Many on this board hold Themba in high regard, but please. HOw many years did he do, and how much stuff did he do that he never got caught for? And doing things with the homeless, hey more power to you, but who's looking for the limelight? I'm glad I'm not in Themba's position, because it only increases your sense of self as personality. tom Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 wrote: > > Usually Tom, Ive noticed around Amma, that it doesn't make sense > to "blame" people. I try to see folks around Amma as acting out her > will for me. Thats really useful, because you take things with a > constructive attitude. > > I bet if you really wanted to, you could have put forth a wee bit > more effort towards paying a lodging fee, been more flexible and > persistent in your attitude and a way would have been made for you > to volunteer. It shows a more cooperative attitude if you "get with > the program". Sometimes going with the flow is whats called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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