re. Yekadasi at divyadesams / temples

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Dear Sri Vaishnava perunthagayir

 

Adiyen seek to clarify a doubt on Yekadasi upavasam.

 

yekadasi upavasam is the most holiest and is observed by all the sri

vaishnavas / bagavathas according to their convenice and practice.

 

While observing full upavasam - is stressed in sastrams, why

yekadasi upavasam is not followed in divyadesams and temples - where

prasadam is offered to Perumal as usual and Sayarakshai with Upma??

 

it is only out of curiosity to know the Thathbaryam and not with

ulterior motive.

 

Thankful to have suitable clarification please..

 

adiyen

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SrI:

SrimatE rAmAnujAya nama:

Dear Sri Vaishnava,

Let me try to address if not answer your query based on my very little understanding of the subject from visiting ISKCON temples (who are some of the strongest followers of Ekadasi rules, IMHO). Kali, is known as the dark age is known to be filled with all sinful activities. On the day of EkAdasi, Kali personified is supposed to hide himself in the grains; hence, the grains are to be avoided on ekAdasi days. Well, the effect of ekAdasi is meant to be felt only on the mortals, but the Supreme Lord has no dOshams, hence he can be offered food with grains, whereas we can't eat those.

EkAdasi means total abstinence from any grains (includes mustard, any bean varieties, even bean-based vegetables, peas, etc) or grain/bean-based products (Horlicks, Coffee, etc...). Breaking down the grains and having "Pala ahAram...etc" are all tricks to get around, but are not sanctioned in the sAstrAs. adiyEn feels the best ahAram on ekAdasi days is fruits and milk, simple - also helps our internal system very much.

adiyEN tried to put it across succinctly. Any mistakes are totally adiyEn's.

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE Saranam.

adiyen,

Kidambi Soundararajan.

 

chitra_vidya <chitra61 > wrote:

Dear Sri Vaishnava perunthagayir

 

Adiyen seek to clarify a doubt on Yekadasi upavasam.

 

yekadasi upavasam is the most holiest and is observed by all the sri

vaishnavas / bagavathas according to their convenice and practice.

 

While observing full upavasam - is stressed in sastrams, why

yekadasi upavasam is not followed in divyadesams and temples - where

prasadam is offered to Perumal as usual and Sayarakshai with Upma??

 

it is only out of curiosity to know the Thathbaryam and not with

ulterior motive.

 

Thankful to have suitable clarification please..

 

adiyen

 

 

 

 

 

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EkAdasi is for us and not for Perumal. On that day vairAgya

purushAls won't even take Perumal theertham. There is no need to

switch to Upma for Perumal. Perumal can have aravanai. In my circle I

have seen smArthAs to be much more sincere in observing ekAdasi

upavAsam than vaishnavAs.

Sarathy

 

ramanuja, "chitra_vidya" <chitra61 wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Vaishnava perunthagayir

>

> Adiyen seek to clarify a doubt on Yekadasi upavasam.

>

> yekadasi upavasam is the most holiest and is observed by all the

sri

> vaishnavas / bagavathas according to their convenice and practice.

>

> While observing full upavasam - is stressed in sastrams, why

> yekadasi upavasam is not followed in divyadesams and temples -

where

> prasadam is offered to Perumal as usual and Sayarakshai with Upma??

>

> it is only out of curiosity to know the Thathbaryam and not with

> ulterior motive.

>

> Thankful to have suitable clarification please..

>

> adiyen

>

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God Bless All.

I reckon, Ekadasi vratam is meant for us - mortals, to make our mind focussed on HIM. It doesn't mean we should deprive HIM of our love or deprive of HIS grace. Hence, prasadams should be offerred regarless of the day to show our deep love and sincere devotion to HIM and to get his benevolent grace.

 

I may be wrong in my contention. If so, please grace your pardon.

 

Let Sat-chit-anandham prevail upon the entire jagat...

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 chitra_vidya wrote :

>Dear Sri Vaishnava perunthagayir

>

>Adiyen seek to clarify a doubt on Yekadasi upavasam.

>

>yekadasi upavasam is the most holiest and is observed by all the sri

>vaishnavas / bagavathas according to their convenice and practice.

>

>While observing full upavasam - is stressed in sastrams, why

>yekadasi upavasam is not followed in divyadesams and temples - where

>prasadam is offered to Perumal as usual and Sayarakshai with Upma??

>

>it is only out of curiosity to know the Thathbaryam and not with

>ulterior motive.

>

>Thankful to have suitable clarification please..

>

>adiyen

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Let me share my thot on this Query May be incorrect If so pls Pardon me

 

well Sriman Narayana is Supreme so HE will have to be presented with all

food etc on Ekadasi day too & as HIS prasadam a small QTY devotees get &

this I am told will not OFFEND UPAVASAM

 

So whats practised in temples seems to have a LOGIC

 

Anyways ADIYEN wud like to be corrected and hear more comments more

meaningful from elders AANDAL THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM

 

Parthasarathi Ramanuja DASAN

 

 

On 6/21/06, chitra_vidya <chitra61 > wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Vaishnava perunthagayir

>

> Adiyen seek to clarify a doubt on Yekadasi upavasam.

>

> yekadasi upavasam is the most holiest and is observed by all the sri

> vaishnavas / bagavathas according to their convenice and practice.

>

> While observing full upavasam - is stressed in sastrams, why

> yekadasi upavasam is not followed in divyadesams and temples - where

> prasadam is offered to Perumal as usual and Sayarakshai with Upma??

>

> it is only out of curiosity to know the Thathbaryam and not with

> ulterior motive.

>

> Thankful to have suitable clarification please..

>

> adiyen

>

>

>

 

 

 

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srI:

srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not for him. He can be offered

his usual offerings. Some people claim that taking prasAdam is ok. But thats

not right. Actually the concept is that on all days we are supposed to be

taking ONLY prasAdam. So fasting on EkAdasi day obviously means fasting from

everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is offered). When adiyEn

asked this to a scholar, he mentioned that there are levels of vrata.

(Nirjala, jala, phala etc). One can a level choose that suits his level of

practice and should follow it strictly and try to reach next higher level

over a period of time. But what about prasadam that is offered to the Lord?

Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be given to people who are at

the level of taking that prasadam (old people, people who are not well et

al). People who are young and fit should necessarily try to follow nirjala

EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's prasadam also). To reach that level, they can

take prasadam like fruits (again that should also be necessarily ONLY

prasadam -it should first be offered to the Lord). adiyEn has heard a full

lecture by velukkudi swami (30 mins) on the importance of eating ONLY

prasadam.

 

kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

 

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

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SrimathE Ramanujaya namaha:

 

Dear Srivaishnavas,

 

ISKCON has published a very very nice booklet on

Ekadesi which contains Lord Krishna's narrations to

King Udhistra. There the Lord explains the importance

of each Ekadesi backed by a mythological story. Adiyen

has read this book long ago in Bahrain.In one of the

episodes even the animals in a kingdom were not given

food on Ekadesi days. Interested devotees can approach

ISKCON centers for this collection.

 

Dasan

Varadan

--- varadha rAmAnuja dAsan

<varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

 

> srI:

> srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

>

> Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not

> for him. He can be offered

> his usual offerings. Some people claim that taking

> prasAdam is ok. But thats

> not right. Actually the concept is that on all days

> we are supposed to be

> taking ONLY prasAdam. So fasting on EkAdasi day

> obviously means fasting from

> everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is

> offered). When adiyEn

> asked this to a scholar, he mentioned that there are

> levels of vrata.

> (Nirjala, jala, phala etc). One can a level choose

> that suits his level of

> practice and should follow it strictly and try to

> reach next higher level

> over a period of time. But what about prasadam that

> is offered to the Lord?

> Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be given

> to people who are at

> the level of taking that prasadam (old people,

> people who are not well et

> al). People who are young and fit should necessarily

> try to follow nirjala

> EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's prasadam also). To

> reach that level, they can

> take prasadam like fruits (again that should also be

> necessarily ONLY

> prasadam -it should first be offered to the Lord).

> adiyEn has heard a full

> lecture by velukkudi swami (30 mins) on the

> importance of eating ONLY

> prasadam.

>

> kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

>

> adinAyEn,

> varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

>

 

 

 

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Sri:

Adiyen wish to intervene and get myself clarified with some of my basic doubts,

initally I wish to query the objective of the vratham , if its for some purushArtham like attaining more knowlede on Him, or attaining abode or controlling our physics/chemisstry of the dheham

Let we take the case of top 2 attaining more gnAnam or even attaining him , here our sampradayam is very clear by No way or these are no means of attaining Him een against our swaroopam too , let we take it that we follow that as our elders follow , agreed then think about the case of His prasadam , now I see a height of negligence that we wont take His prasdam and we will give it some one else ,

This looks like non appreciation of Archa Moorthy at our divya desam or any temple even our Athu Koil Alwar , He is same every where and thats His prasdam , all the vrathan we follow (as per earlier para) is for getting a kainkaryam at His thiruvady and on getting the same what more you need ? I am surprised . Thats the reason why our poorvAcharyas never dwelt too much on the Akaram or any vratham etc , because these are dheham sambanda vishayangal and non Athma sambandam and for our Athama He blesses with his Krupai and thats His Job too and so what ever you do to take care of dheham is only for a particualr time period and its not reklevant afterwards .

If you choose to have vratham for any medical advises or dieting its totally differrent science and let we take it offline

So Adiyen's request is to conside His prasdam as the top most and never ever show any negliegence on that on any day ,

Though I have seen the cases of both negligence and adoption to the core in our temples adiyen prays to Him for blessing us with the mind of adoption to the core

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Guna

 

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan <varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

srI:

srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not for him. He can be offered his usual offerings. Some people claim that taking prasAdam is ok. But thats not right. Actually the concept is that on all days we are supposed to be taking ONLY prasAdam. So fasting on EkAdasi day obviously means fasting from everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is offered). When adiyEn asked this to a scholar, he mentioned that there are levels of vrata. (Nirjala, jala, phala etc). One can a level choose that suits his level of practice and should follow it strictly and try to reach next higher level over a period of time. But what about prasadam that is offered to the Lord? Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be given to people who are at the level of taking that prasadam (old people, people who are not well et al). People who are young and fit should necessarily try to follow nirjala EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's prasadam also). To reach that level, they can take prasadam

like fruits (again that should also be necessarily ONLY prasadam -it should first be offered to the Lord). adiyEn has heard a full lecture by velukkudi swami (30 mins) on the importance of eating ONLY prasadam.

kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

 

 

 

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Anbudaiyeer

 

Adiyen agree with Mr GUNA in that taking the Lords PRASADAM even on Ekadasi

days is in ORDER

 

All these viradam etc are for US to Satisfy ourselves to bring us more near

GOD --then Why not take HIS Prasadam in the process

 

Pls consider on these

Adiyen Parthasarathi Ramanuja Dasan

 

 

On 6/24/06, Guna Venkat <gunsee > wrote:

>

> Sri:

> Adiyen wish to intervene and get myself clarified with some of my basic

> doubts,

> initally I wish to query the objective of the vratham , if its for some

> purushArtham like attaining more knowlede on Him, or attaining abode or

> controlling our physics/chemisstry of the dheham

>

> Let we take the case of top 2 attaining more gnAnam or even attaining him

> , here our sampradayam is very clear by No way or these are no means of

> attaining Him een against our swaroopam too , let we take it that we follow

> that as our elders follow , agreed then think about the case of His prasadam

> , now I see a height of negligence that we wont take His prasdam and we will

> give it some one else ,

>

> This looks like non appreciation of Archa Moorthy at our divya desam or

> any temple even our Athu Koil Alwar , He is same every where and thats His

> prasdam , all the vrathan we follow (as per earlier para) is for getting a

> kainkaryam at His thiruvady and on getting the same what more you need ? I

> am surprised . Thats the reason why our poorvAcharyas never dwelt too much

> on the Akaram or any vratham etc , because these are dheham sambanda

> vishayangal and non Athma sambandam and for our Athama He blesses with his

> Krupai and thats His Job too and so what ever you do to take care of dheham

> is only for a particualr time period and its not reklevant afterwards .

>

> If you choose to have vratham for any medical advises or dieting its

> totally differrent science and let we take it offline

>

> So Adiyen's request is to conside His prasdam as the top most and never

> ever show any negliegence on that on any day ,

> Though I have seen the cases of both negligence and adoption to the core

> in our temples adiyen prays to Him for blessing us with the mind of adoption

> to the core

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

> Guna

>

>

> *varadha rAmAnuja dAsan <varadha.ramanujadasan >* wrote:

>

> srI:

> srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

>

> Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not for him. He can be

> offered his usual offerings. Some people claim that taking prasAdam is ok.

> But thats not right. Actually the concept is that on all days we are

> supposed to be taking ONLY prasAdam. So fasting on EkAdasi day obviously

> means fasting from everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is

> offered). When adiyEn asked this to a scholar, he mentioned that there are

> levels of vrata. (Nirjala, jala, phala etc). One can a level choose that

> suits his level of practice and should follow it strictly and try to reach

> next higher level over a period of time. But what about prasadam that is

> offered to the Lord? Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be given to

> people who are at the level of taking that prasadam (old people, people who

> are not well et al). People who are young and fit should necessarily try to

> follow nirjala EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's prasadam also). To reach that

> level, they can take prasadam like fruits (again that should also be

> necessarily ONLY prasadam -it should first be offered to the Lord). adiyEn

> has heard a full lecture by velukkudi swami (30 mins) on the importance of

> eating ONLY prasadam.

>

> kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

>

> adinAyEn,

> varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

>

>

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srI:

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

Why adiyEn mentioned about giving prasAdam to others was, anyway there will

surely be people who dont practice EkAdasi. So the Lord's prasAdam can be

given to them. Everyone practices only in the ideal case. Not the practical

case. Of course there may be people who are in the ideal case also. vratams

like saturday, sravanam etc are not recommended since they are also supposed

to bring karma. However, From whatever little adiyEn has heard, EkAdasi is

recommended.

 

Also, adiyEn is quite confident that pUrvAchryAs would have practised

EkAdasi properly. adiyEn thinks that whatever pUrvAchAryas have done is

perfect and is above our comments. pUrvAchAryas anushtAnams are more

important than even the vEdas. If there are some aspects of sampradaya where

our pUrvAchAryas anushtAnam slighly deviates from vEdas, then we should take

only pUrvachAryas as authority and not the vedas. (pUrvAchAryargaL pOdham

anushtAnangaL - URM). If they have followed, then there will surely be a

proper logical explanation to this question. Just that adiyEn dont know what

it is.

 

adiyEn thinks that this is a very technical question. adiyEn will ask some

scholars when there is opportunity and let this group know. adiyEn request

the elders to help out with this question.

 

However, there ARE exceptions also where pUrvAchAryAs have given some

special comments. One of them adiyEn remembers is given below:

 

"Once ParAsara Bhattar's mother (AndAL) had fasted on vaikunta EkAdasi day

and asked Bhattar for perumAL theertham on dwAdasi. Bhattar asked her: Where

did you find EkAdasi in the midst of periya thrunAL?" The explanation is:

During adhyayana utsavam, we are supposed to do service to the Lord and

enjoy. If we dont eat, we may not be able to do the service properly.

Bhattar suggests that emperumAn's kainkaryam is above all else.

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/24/06, Guna Venkat <gunsee > wrote:

>

> Sri:

> Adiyen wish to intervene and get myself clarified with some of my basic

> doubts,

> initally I wish to query the objective of the vratham , if its for some

> purushArtham like attaining more knowlede on Him, or attaining abode or

> controlling our physics/chemisstry of the dheham

>

> Let we take the case of top 2 attaining more gnAnam or even attaining him

> , here our sampradayam is very clear by No way or these are no means of

> attaining Him een against our swaroopam too , let we take it that we follow

> that as our elders follow , agreed then think about the case of His prasadam

> , now I see a height of negligence that we wont take His prasdam and we will

> give it some one else ,

>

> This looks like non appreciation of Archa Moorthy at our divya desam or

> any temple even our Athu Koil Alwar , He is same every where and thats His

> prasdam , all the vrathan we follow (as per earlier para) is for getting a

> kainkaryam at His thiruvady and on getting the same what more you need ? I

> am surprised . Thats the reason why our poorvAcharyas never dwelt too much

> on the Akaram or any vratham etc , because these are dheham sambanda

> vishayangal and non Athma sambandam and for our Athama He blesses with his

> Krupai and thats His Job too and so what ever you do to take care of dheham

> is only for a particualr time period and its not reklevant afterwards .

>

> If you choose to have vratham for any medical advises or dieting its

> totally differrent science and let we take it offline

>

> So Adiyen's request is to conside His prasdam as the top most and never

> ever show any negliegence on that on any day ,

> Though I have seen the cases of both negligence and adoption to the core

> in our temples adiyen prays to Him for blessing us with the mind of adoption

> to the core

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

> Guna

>

>

> *varadha rAmAnuja dAsan <varadha.ramanujadasan >* wrote:

>

> srI:

> srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

>

> Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not for him. He can be

> offered his usual offerings. Some people claim that taking prasAdam is ok.

> But thats not right. Actually the concept is that on all days we are

> supposed to be taking ONLY prasAdam. So fasting on EkAdasi day obviously

> means fasting from everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is

> offered). When adiyEn asked this to a scholar, he mentioned that there are

> levels of vrata. (Nirjala, jala, phala etc). One can a level choose that

> suits his level of practice and should follow it strictly and try to reach

> next higher level over a period of time. But what about prasadam that is

> offered to the Lord? Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be given to

> people who are at the level of taking that prasadam (old people, people who

> are not well et al). People who are young and fit should necessarily try to

> follow nirjala EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's prasadam also). To reach that

> level, they can take prasadam like fruits (again that should also be

> necessarily ONLY prasadam -it should first be offered to the Lord). adiyEn

> has heard a full lecture by velukkudi swami (30 mins) on the importance of

> eating ONLY prasadam.

>

> kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

>

> adinAyEn,

> varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

>

>

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Dear all,

 

Regarding ekadasi,Padma Purana says:

 

ekadasyam samayantyam prapunantyam jagattrayam

sthatavyam annamasritya bhavata papa purusa

 

sansare yani papani tany eva ekadasi dine

annam asritya tisthanti sriman narayana ajnaya

 

(Padma Purana, Kriya Yogasara 22.46.50)

 

When ekadasi arrives, at that time, all of the sins

from the three worlds reside in grains in the form of

a sinful person.

 

Whatever sins are available in this world, they all

together reside in grains on Ekadasi day by the order

of Lord Sri Narayana.

 

Brahma-vaivarta Purana says "Ekadasi destroys all a

person's sin, bestows limitless piety, and causes them

to remember Govinda."

 

Thus, there are three aspects mentioned here to

following Ekadasi (1) removal of bad karma, (2) gain

of good karma, and (3) remembrance of Govinda.

 

ekadasi vrata samam vrata nasti jagattraye

anicchaya'pi yat krtva gatir evam vidha'vayoh

ekadasi vratam ye tu bhakti bhavena kurvate

na jane kim bhavet tesam vasudeva anukampaya

 

(Padma Purana, Kriya Yogasara 23.172,173)

 

In the three worlds, there is no kind of fasting which

is even comparable to the Ekadasi fast. Even if one

performs this fast without a proper attitude, he

achieves the Supreme Abode. Anyone who fasts on

Ekadasi day, with full devotion, what happens to him

by the mercy of the Supreme Lord, I can not say (how

much merit gets cannot be described).

 

Vaishnavas follow ekadasi, because they are MAdhava

Tithi, days very dear to the Lord. They consider it as

anukulyasya sankalpam, accepting things favourable in

the service to the Lord.Those who eat nothing other

than prasadam at any time, sometimes even do not eat

even that, for fasting on the day of ekadasi.

They don't follow it because it destroys papa or

bestows punya or even as an upaya for moksha, but only

as service to the Lord.

 

Ramanuja dasi

Vedavalli Ranganathan

--- Guna Venkat <gunsee > wrote:

 

> Sri:

> Adiyen wish to intervene and get myself clarified

> with some of my basic doubts,

> initally I wish to query the objective of the

> vratham , if its for some purushArtham like

> attaining more knowlede on Him, or attaining abode

> or controlling our physics/chemisstry of the dheham

>

> Let we take the case of top 2 attaining more

> gnAnam or even attaining him , here our sampradayam

> is very clear by No way or these are no means of

> attaining Him een against our swaroopam too , let we

> take it that we follow that as our elders follow ,

> agreed then think about the case of His prasadam ,

> now I see a height of negligence that we wont take

> His prasdam and we will give it some one else ,

>

> This looks like non appreciation of Archa Moorthy

> at our divya desam or any temple even our Athu Koil

> Alwar , He is same every where and thats His prasdam

> , all the vrathan we follow (as per earlier para) is

> for getting a kainkaryam at His thiruvady and on

> getting the same what more you need ? I am surprised

> . Thats the reason why our poorvAcharyas never dwelt

> too much on the Akaram or any vratham etc , because

> these are dheham sambanda vishayangal and non Athma

> sambandam and for our Athama He blesses with his

> Krupai and thats His Job too and so what ever you do

> to take care of dheham is only for a particualr time

> period and its not reklevant afterwards .

>

> If you choose to have vratham for any medical

> advises or dieting its totally differrent science

> and let we take it offline

>

> So Adiyen's request is to conside His prasdam as

> the top most and never ever show any negliegence on

> that on any day ,

> Though I have seen the cases of both negligence

> and adoption to the core in our temples adiyen prays

> to Him for blessing us with the mind of adoption to

> the core

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

> Guna

>

> varadha rAmAnuja dAsan

> <varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

> srI:

> srimathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

>

> Obviously, ekAdasi is meant for all of us and not

> for him. He can be offered his usual offerings. Some

> people claim that taking prasAdam is ok. But thats

> not right. Actually the concept is that on all days

> we are supposed to be taking ONLY prasAdam. So

> fasting on EkAdasi day obviously means fasting from

> everything (which includes prasadam - rice that is

> offered). When adiyEn asked this to a scholar, he

> mentioned that there are levels of vrata. (Nirjala,

> jala, phala etc). One can a level choose that suits

> his level of practice and should follow it strictly

> and try to reach next higher level over a period of

> time. But what about prasadam that is offered to the

> Lord? Wasting it is also a sin. That prasadam can be

> given to people who are at the level of taking that

> prasadam (old people, people who are not well et

> al). People who are young and fit should necessarily

> try to follow nirjala EkAdasi (NOT taking the Lord's

> prasadam also). To reach that level, they can take

> prasadam

> like fruits (again that should also be necessarily

> ONLY prasadam -it should first be offered to the

> Lord). adiyEn has heard a full lecture by velukkudi

> swami (30 mins) on the importance of eating ONLY

> prasadam.

>

> kshamikka prarthikkirEn.

>

> adinAyEn,

> varadha rAmAnuja dasan.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> ridiculously low rates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Aahaara niyamam are prescribed by saastraas. Saastraas are given to

us by Bhagavaan Himself. There is no role here for individual's

feelings. Otherwise NamPaaduvaan's and Ambarishi's charithrams will

be useless.

K. P. Sarathy

 

ramanuja, "Parthasarathi BR" <brp.sarathi

wrote:

>

> Anbudaiyeer

>

> Adiyen agree with Mr GUNA in that taking the Lords PRASADAM even on

Ekadasi

> days is in ORDER

>

> All these viradam etc are for US to Satisfy ourselves to bring us

more near

> GOD --then Why not take HIS Prasadam in the process

>

> Pls consider on these

> Adiyen Parthasarathi Ramanuja Dasan

>

[Guest guest]

Sri:

Adiyen wish to bring to devarir's notice about a nice Alwar pAsuram in ThirukurunddhAndagam #18

"Illapinai Eyakkam Neeky iRundhu Mun Imayai Kooty

Alapil Aympulan Adakky Anbu avar kannE vaythu

thulakkamil chindhai seithu thondralum sudar vittu AngE

villakinai vidhyin kAnbAr meymayE kAnkiRpArE"

Here Thirumangai Alwar says

By controlling all your Indriyams , medidating upon Him with your focus fully on Him

(fulfilling all pre rquisites with dharbAsanam , keeping your eyes on your nose tip etc )

, once done with such karmas and doing bhakthy that come out of this Karma etc ;

By doing all such things we cannot see the parama purusha as prescribed in the Veda; Alwar really shows the path for us , first in describing the non achievable one and then in the subsequent pAsuram explaining in simple terms the way to Achive Him

#19

" PindiyAr mandai endhy piRar manai thirithandhu unnum

mundiyAn sabandh theertha Oruvanoor ulaga methum

kandiyoor Arangam meyyam kachi Per mallai enRu

mandinAr uyya lallal maRyarkku uyyalamE"

Here Alwar describes the Harasaba Vimosana PerumAl at Kandiyoor where He salvages the pApam of Sivan , Srirangam , ThirupEr nagar, Thirumeyyam, Kanchipuram, Thirukdal mallai (mamalla puram) and other Archa moorthies; Salvaging is only thru "eedupAdu" like any vAcha, manasa and physical kainkaryams at these Archa Moorthies and not by any other means

This is what our Acharya Parsara Bhattar said during the Vaikunda Ekadasy as written in the same thread earlier ; Think on these lines and try to correlate the one what Adiyen said earlier

Dasan

Guna

"K.P. Sarathy" <ramasarat > wrote:

Aahaara niyamam are prescribed by saastraas. Saastraas are given to

us by Bhagavaan Himself. There is no role here for individual's

feelings. Otherwise NamPaaduvaan's and Ambarishi's charithrams will

be useless.

K. P. Sarathy

 

ramanuja, "Parthasarathi BR" <brp.sarathi

wrote:

>

> Anbudaiyeer

>

> Adiyen agree with Mr GUNA in that taking the Lords PRASADAM even on

Ekadasi

> days is in ORDER

>

> All these viradam etc are for US to Satisfy ourselves to bring us

more near

> GOD --then Why not take HIS Prasadam in the process

>

> Pls consider on these

> Adiyen Parthasarathi Ramanuja Dasan

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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True;

 

vUN vADA vuNNAdhu vuyir kAval ittu vudalODu piriyA

pulan aindhum nondhu

thAm vADA vADA thaam seiyya vEANDA thamadhAr imayOr vulagALa giRper;

....thillai chthrak kUtam senRu sEArminEA" Periay Thrumozhi 3-2-1;

 

 

NO need of physical penance or terribel torture to oneself.

The need of the hour is affection and devtion to the Lord.

 

 

This can be correleated to so many other pAsuram-s of the same and other AzvAr-s

 

adiyEan dAsan

vanamamalai padmanabhan

 

 

 

-

Guna Venkat

ramanuja

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:03 AM

Re: [ramanuja] Re: re. Yekadasi at divyadesams / temples

 

 

 

Sri:

Adiyen wish to bring to devarir's notice about a nice Alwar pAsuram in ThirukurunddhAndagam #18

"Illapinai Eyakkam Neeky iRundhu Mun Imayai Kooty

Alapil Aympulan Adakky Anbu avar kannE vaythu

thulakkamil chindhai seithu thondralum sudar vittu AngE

villakinai vidhyin kAnbAr meymayE kAnkiRpArE"

 

Here Thirumangai Alwar says

By controlling all your Indriyams , medidating upon Him with your focus fully on Him

(fulfilling all pre rquisites with dharbAsanam , keeping your eyes on your nose tip etc )

, once done with such karmas and doing bhakthy that come out of this Karma etc ;

By doing all such things we cannot see the parama purusha as prescribed in the Veda; Alwar really shows the path for us , first in describing the non achievable one and then in the subsequent pAsuram explaining in simple terms the way to Achive Him

#19

" PindiyAr mandai endhy piRar manai thirithandhu unnum

mundiyAn sabandh theertha Oruvanoor ulaga methum

kandiyoor Arangam meyyam kachi Per mallai enRu

mandinAr uyya lallal maRyarkku uyyalamE"

 

Here Alwar describes the Harasaba Vimosana PerumAl at Kandiyoor where He salvages the pApam of Sivan , Srirangam , ThirupEr nagar, Thirumeyyam, Kanchipuram, Thirukdal mallai (mamalla puram) and other Archa moorthies; Salvaging is only thru "eedupAdu" like any vAcha, manasa and physical kainkaryams at these Archa Moorthies and not by any other means

 

This is what our Acharya Parsara Bhattar said during the Vaikunda Ekadasy as written in the same thread earlier ; Think on these lines and try to correlate the one what Adiyen said earlier

 

Dasan

Guna

"K.P. Sarathy" <ramasarat > wrote:

Aahaara niyamam are prescribed by saastraas. Saastraas are given to

us by Bhagavaan Himself. There is no role here for individual's

feelings. Otherwise NamPaaduvaan's and Ambarishi's charithrams will

be useless.

K. P. Sarathy

 

ramanuja, "Parthasarathi BR" <brp.sarathi

wrote:

>

> Anbudaiyeer

>

> Adiyen agree with Mr GUNA in that taking the Lords PRASADAM even on

Ekadasi

> days is in ORDER

>

> All these viradam etc are for US to Satisfy ourselves to bring us

more near

> GOD --then Why not take HIS Prasadam in the process

>

> Pls consider on these

> Adiyen Parthasarathi Ramanuja Dasan

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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srI:

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

Actually, there is a higher interpretation given to Bhattar's

saying "Where did you find ekadasi in the midst of this periya

thirunAL?". During adyayana utsavam, devotees are supposed to be

totally submerged in the anubhavam of the Lord that they even forget

things like food etc. How is it that you remember that there is

something like food and that you are supposed to avoid it on a

specific day etc? This is also an interpretation given.

 

In any case, the question is: what is the conclusion of this thread?

Are we suggesting that we need not follow ekadasi? Can we try to find

out what is our pUrvAchAryas stand on the issue? In our sampradAyA we

accept only pUrvAchAryas as the final authority on all such matters.

Is it not? In that case, it turns out that there is no space for

entertaining what a specific person feels about a specific issue.

Rather we should try and understand the logic behind the anushtAnams

of pUrvAcharyAs (pUrvAchAryargaL podham anushtanangaL - URM).

 

Also, the answer given earlier is very relevant: we do it as part of

saranagathy. (anUkUlyasya sankalpam). Not practicing EkAdasi is

pratikUlam. So we must avoid not practicing (pratikUlyasya varjanam).

 

Besides, adiyEn thinks we are nowhere near understanding pAsurams and

their meanings. Who are we to interpret pAsurams? we should

completely depend on pUrAchAryas for interpretation of pAsurams and

we should just follow pUrvAchAryas anushtanams as it is. Once Swami

emperumAnAr was requested by his disciples to give a discourse on

thiruppAvai. Swami said that nobody can understand thiruppAvai as it

is. Only AndAL can understand the fullest meaning. He also said "I am

not qualified to give discourse on it you are not qualified to listen

to such a discourse". If swami (tiruppavai jeeyar) felt like that,

where are we? Remember that swami had great disciples - Azhwan,

andan, embar,arulala perumal emperumanar et al. Each of them was a

giant in sastras and anushtAnams. He said that they were not

qualified to listen to that discourse. Where are we?

 

kshamikka prarthikkirEn!

 

emperumAnAr tiruvadigaLE saranam!

 

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

 

Adiyen has not communicated much in this thread, other

than being a listener.

 

Varadan swamy nicely iterated the sidhanta. It is to

please PerumAl's desire not as an UpAya or with any

expectations back for performing the vratam.

 

Adiyen have heard in many lectures from Velukudi

Krishnan Swamy, where the emphasis on performing our

nitya, naimithika karmas, but we must do it as per

injunctions from Sruti/Smriti.

 

The best example is Emberumaanaar when he was 120

years old, he would go to Kaveri with help from other

stalwart devotees and leave argyam. Nothing more needs

to be said about us following purvAchArya's

instructions.

 

But this follows Kannan Emberumaan's instruction "Yad

Yad Acarati Shreyas" (Bhag.Gita. 3.21), When great men

perform activities, others follow. So, as prapannas we

should set examples for others.

 

Please forgive my comments if they are inappropriate.

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan,

Sarathy

 

--- Varadhan SKM <varadha.ramanujadasan >

wrote:

 

> srI:

> srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

>

> Actually, there is a higher interpretation given to

> Bhattar's

> saying "Where did you find ekadasi in the midst of

> this periya

> thirunAL?". During adyayana utsavam, devotees are

> supposed to be

> totally submerged in the anubhavam of the Lord that

> they even forget

> things like food etc. How is it that you remember

> that there is

> something like food and that you are supposed to

> avoid it on a

> specific day etc? This is also an interpretation

> given.

>

> In any case, the question is: what is the conclusion

> of this thread?

> Are we suggesting that we need not follow ekadasi?

> Can we try to find

> out what is our pUrvAchAryas stand on the issue? In

> our sampradAyA we

> accept only pUrvAchAryas as the final authority on

> all such matters.

> Is it not? In that case, it turns out that there is

> no space for

> entertaining what a specific person feels about a

> specific issue.

> Rather we should try and understand the logic behind

> the anushtAnams

> of pUrvAcharyAs (pUrvAchAryargaL podham

> anushtanangaL - URM).

>

> Also, the answer given earlier is very relevant: we

> do it as part of

> saranagathy. (anUkUlyasya sankalpam). Not practicing

> EkAdasi is

> pratikUlam. So we must avoid not practicing

> (pratikUlyasya varjanam).

>

> Besides, adiyEn thinks we are nowhere near

> understanding pAsurams and

> their meanings. Who are we to interpret pAsurams? we

> should

> completely depend on pUrAchAryas for interpretation

> of pAsurams and

> we should just follow pUrvAchAryas anushtanams as it

> is. Once Swami

> emperumAnAr was requested by his disciples to give a

> discourse on

> thiruppAvai. Swami said that nobody can understand

> thiruppAvai as it

> is. Only AndAL can understand the fullest meaning.

> He also said "I am

> not qualified to give discourse on it you are not

> qualified to listen

> to such a discourse". If swami (tiruppavai jeeyar)

> felt like that,

> where are we? Remember that swami had great

> disciples - Azhwan,

> andan, embar,arulala perumal emperumanar et al. Each

> of them was a

> giant in sastras and anushtAnams. He said that they

> were not

> qualified to listen to that discourse. Where are we?

>

> kshamikka prarthikkirEn!

>

> emperumAnAr tiruvadigaLE saranam!

>

> adinAyEn,

> varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Swamin

Adiyen wish to clarify few things , Your explanation on Bhattar's saying is excellant , when He is out on "Thiruvarangan Ula", PurapAdu, we forget the whole world such is teh beauty of Him, but when He is out , sure He will be offered with the prasdams for His refreshing (Kalaipu theerthal, Kshemath thaligay etc and the prasdam will be distributed to all , can you imagine whether Bhattar will say NO to thatand will give the same to some one just because that day is Ekadasy Sure NO

This is the " PoorvaAcharyagal podham Anushtanagal " if you are looking for some other things , I am not sure why?

reg Alwar pAsurams whats that you wish to say , the explanation of EmberumAnar was so nice and swamy did it on naichiyam , if thats the case no other Acharyas would have written commentary on the DPs . The one what I quoted was from Swamy PerivAchan Pillai on ThirukurundhAdagam. So Alwar pAsurams are not "EttAk Kani" they are all evry much simple and for us only. From the vyAkyAnams we really go deep inside the meanings and correlate btw other concepts, pramanams etc, so taking quote from DPs is the ideal way and we should practice the same

Reg whats the conclusion of the thread? Adiyen goes by Bhattar

Eg This time PeriAlwar TN falls on Ekadasy ? what shall we do ?

Lot many occassions I have seen ThiruvAdhirai falls on Ekadasy and even seen Swamy's prasadams as regular rice (puliyotharai Sarkarai pongal etc ) in SriPerumbudoor , This is the "Podham Anushtanangal "

Dasan

Guna

 

Varadhan SKM <varadha.ramanujadasan > wrote:

srI:

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

Actually, there is a higher interpretation given to Bhattar's

saying "Where did you find ekadasi in the midst of this periya

thirunAL?". During adyayana utsavam, devotees are supposed to be

totally submerged in the anubhavam of the Lord that they even forget

things like food etc. How is it that you remember that there is

something like food and that you are supposed to avoid it on a

specific day etc? This is also an interpretation given.

 

In any case, the question is: what is the conclusion of this thread?

Are we suggesting that we need not follow ekadasi? Can we try to find

out what is our pUrvAchAryas stand on the issue? In our sampradAyA we

accept only pUrvAchAryas as the final authority on all such matters.

Is it not? In that case, it turns out that there is no space for

entertaining what a specific person feels about a specific issue.

Rather we should try and understand the logic behind the anushtAnams

of pUrvAcharyAs (pUrvAchAryargaL podham anushtanangaL - URM).

 

Also, the answer given earlier is very relevant: we do it as part of

saranagathy. (anUkUlyasya sankalpam). Not practicing EkAdasi is

pratikUlam. So we must avoid not practicing (pratikUlyasya varjanam).

 

Besides, adiyEn thinks we are nowhere near understanding pAsurams and

their meanings. Who are we to interpret pAsurams? we should

completely depend on pUrAchAryas for interpretation of pAsurams and

we should just follow pUrvAchAryas anushtanams as it is. Once Swami

emperumAnAr was requested by his disciples to give a discourse on

thiruppAvai. Swami said that nobody can understand thiruppAvai as it

is. Only AndAL can understand the fullest meaning. He also said "I am

not qualified to give discourse on it you are not qualified to listen

to such a discourse". If swami (tiruppavai jeeyar) felt like that,

where are we? Remember that swami had great disciples - Azhwan,

andan, embar,arulala perumal emperumanar et al. Each of them was a

giant in sastras and anushtAnams. He said that they were not

qualified to listen to that discourse. Where are we?

 

kshamikka prarthikkirEn!

 

emperumAnAr tiruvadigaLE saranam!

 

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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srI:

srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha:

 

Bhattar's statement is applicable for devotees at the level of Bhattar and

AndAL (Bhattar's mother). There is another place where Bhattar says

something. When one of Bhattar's discple asked him to teach tiruvaradhana

kramam, he taught him one that would take several hours. But one day, when

Bhattar was about to eat, he just asked his disciples to bring his perumAL

and did tiruvaradhanam for just a min and ate that prasadam. The disciple,

irked, asked Bhattar as to why he prescribed a long kramam for him whereas

he himself practised such a short one. Bhattar replied that "After searching

all sastras, I could not find a shorter version for you nor could I find a

longer version for myself". The meaning is: "If you are at my level, you

dont need it". So Bhattar's word should be understood properly. Exceptions

cannot be rules. There are rules AND there are exceptions. Every exception

is applicable at very specifc conditions. We need to really ask ourselves

where we stand. Are we at the level of Bhattar? Of course, it is agreed that

we should aspire to reach that level. No doubt. But just saying that "I am

like him and I will follow him" is so vain. We have to do some serious

vichAram here (Everyone within themselves). Remember that even in the above

case of AndAL - Bhattar, AndAL did practise it meticulously. Thats where the

lesson is for all of us.

 

adiyEn very well understands that emperumAnAr practised naichyanusanthanam

when he said he cannot explain Tiruppavai. Thats exactly the point now. We

should also practice naichyanusanthanam. Its not as if naichyanusanthanam is

a prerogative of Swami. Swami lead by example. We should follow him. That is

sampradaya.

 

This sampradaya has so many delicate issues like these. Thats why adiyEn

always thinks that its too easy to be brahmana than a vaishnava even in this

age (Because the rules for brahmins are very specific and are not

contradictory). Way too difficult to be a sri vaishnava. Because there are

too many delicate things to be properly understood. Though rules of the

sampradaya are not contradictory, they appear contradictory to many people.

Thats why we need help.

 

adiyEn is quite confident that in this sampradaya its not that people can

follow their whims as they want. They should check its authenticity. This

Sampradaya has so many rules and regulations. Way too many. Instead of

following our mind, we should ask elders (one's own acharyan et al) and

follow their instructions. Only fake religions let people follow their mind

and say everything is the same. Our sampradayam is emperumAnAr's darisanam

and everything is governed properly here. Its not a dry religion.

 

Now adiyEn will put forward the question straight forward: Did our

pUrvAchAryAs practise EkAdasi or not? More importantly, did our pUrvAchAryas

"prescribe" EkAdasi or not? adiyEn has very strong reasons to believe that

they did, looking at the way some elderly sri vaishnavas strictly adhere to

nirjala EkAdasi (Even nowadays!).

 

Why should we find ways in which our practice (or the lack of it - for that

matter!) can be justified? Nobody is complelling anybody. We can say that "I

will not follow ekAdasi", rather than saying "I will go by Bhattar". The

question is: Are we saying yes or no to EkAdasi. Its straight forward.

Because quite obviously, we are not Bhattar.

 

Can somebody quote from some authentic text (like guru parampara, or

vyakhyanas with specific reference to this issue) or can somebody ask

scholars? adiyEn will ask some scholars at the first opportunity.

 

kshamikka prarthikkirEn!

AchAryan tiruvadigaLE saranam!

 

adinAyEn,

varadha rAmAnuja dAsan.

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Dear swami,

 

Andal followed the Margazhi nonbu and mentions

neyyuNNom, paaluNNom etc? She also recommends this to

others.How is this to be seen in view of the other

verses?

 

Ramanuja dasi

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

 

--- Padmanabhan <aazhwar > wrote:

 

> True;

>

> vUN vADA vuNNAdhu vuyir kAval ittu vudalODu piriyA

> pulan aindhum nondhu

> thAm vADA vADA thaam seiyya vEANDA thamadhAr imayOr

> vulagALa giRper;

> ...thillai chthrak kUtam senRu sEArminEA" Periay

> Thrumozhi 3-2-1;

>

>

> NO need of physical penance or terribel torture to

> oneself.

> The need of the hour is affection and devtion to the

> Lord.

>

>

> This can be correleated to so many other pAsuram-s

> of the same and other AzvAr-s

>

> adiyEan dAsan

> vanamamalai padmanabhan

>

>

>

> -

> Guna Venkat

> ramanuja

> Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:03 AM

> Re: [ramanuja] Re: re. Yekadasi at

> divyadesams / temples

>

>

>

> Sri:

> Adiyen wish to bring to devarir's notice about a

> nice Alwar pAsuram in ThirukurunddhAndagam #18

> "Illapinai Eyakkam Neeky iRundhu Mun Imayai Kooty

> Alapil Aympulan Adakky Anbu avar kannE vaythu

> thulakkamil chindhai seithu thondralum sudar vittu

> AngE

> villakinai vidhyin kAnbAr meymayE kAnkiRpArE"

>

> Here Thirumangai Alwar says

> By controlling all your Indriyams , medidating

> upon Him with your focus fully on Him

> (fulfilling all pre rquisites with dharbAsanam ,

> keeping your eyes on your nose tip etc )

> , once done with such karmas and doing bhakthy

> that come out of this Karma etc ;

> By doing all such things we cannot see the parama

> purusha as prescribed in the Veda; Alwar really

> shows the path for us , first in describing the non

> achievable one and then in the subsequent pAsuram

> explaining in simple terms the way to Achive Him

> #19

> " PindiyAr mandai endhy piRar manai thirithandhu

> unnum

> mundiyAn sabandh theertha Oruvanoor ulaga methum

> kandiyoor Arangam meyyam kachi Per mallai enRu

> mandinAr uyya lallal maRyarkku uyyalamE"

>

> Here Alwar describes the Harasaba Vimosana PerumAl

> at Kandiyoor where He salvages the pApam of Sivan ,

> Srirangam , ThirupEr nagar, Thirumeyyam,

> Kanchipuram, Thirukdal mallai (mamalla puram) and

> other Archa moorthies; Salvaging is only thru

> "eedupAdu" like any vAcha, manasa and physical

> kainkaryams at these Archa Moorthies and not by any

> other means

>

> This is what our Acharya Parsara Bhattar said

> during the Vaikunda Ekadasy as written in the same

> thread earlier ; Think on these lines and try to

> correlate the one what Adiyen said earlier

>

> Dasan

> Guna

> "K.P. Sarathy" <ramasarat > wrote:

> Aahaara niyamam are prescribed by saastraas.

> Saastraas are given to

> us by Bhagavaan Himself. There is no role here

> for individual's

> feelings. Otherwise NamPaaduvaan's and

> Ambarishi's charithrams will

> be useless.

> K. P. Sarathy

>

> ramanuja, "Parthasarathi

> BR" <brp.sarathi

> wrote:

> >

> > Anbudaiyeer

> >

> > Adiyen agree with Mr GUNA in that taking the

> Lords PRASADAM even on

> Ekadasi

> > days is in ORDER

> >

> > All these viradam etc are for US to Satisfy

> ourselves to bring us

> more near

> > GOD --then Why not take HIS Prasadam in the

> process

> >

> > Pls consider on these

> > Adiyen Parthasarathi Ramanuja Dasan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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