Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear Respected memers Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same(But planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just said 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th from karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an assumption and others are free to hold that view. Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to different relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in the same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement elsewhere).If anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. Thanks Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear Pradeep Ji When you say taht two planets cannot conjunct in navamsha do you mean that there can not be more than one planet in one particular house in the navamsha chart. please pardon me if my question seems foolish becuase I have not read anything regarding these. I have just started learning vedic astrology. regards Deven vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Respected memers > > Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from > karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same(But > planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we > understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just said > 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th from > karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an assumption > and others are free to hold that view. > Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta > devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have > just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to different > relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in the > same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having > sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement elsewhere).If > anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in > navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. > > Thanks > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Namaste, What Vijaydas is saying is that contrary to popular beleif there are no houses in navansha or any other amsha varga. There are books written on the so called divisions/amsha used as divisional charts and this has almost institutionalized a concept that quite a few do not agree with. .... On 6/15/06, chopradeven81 <chopradeven81 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > Dear Pradeep Ji > > When you say taht two planets cannot conjunct in navamsha do you mean > that there can not be more than one planet in one particular house in > the navamsha chart. > > please pardon me if my question seems foolish becuase I have not read > anything regarding these. I have just started learning vedic astrology. > > regards > Deven > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > "vijayadas_pradeep" > > <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Respected memers > > > > Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from > > karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same(But > > planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we > > understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just said > > 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th from > > karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an assumption > > and others are free to hold that view. > > Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta > > devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have > > just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to different > > relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in the > > same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having > > sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement elsewhere).If > > anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in > > navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Namaste, I could not understand your statement that more than one planet shall not conjunct in Navamsa.But however I see with the under noted info. we could see two planets conjunct in one house in Rasi as well as in Navamsa : 18.06.2006 @ 11.28.34 hrs.IST @ Madras - Mars and Saturn conjunct in Rasi and Navamsa .Another e.g.,08.02.1962 @ 13.28.34 hrs @ Madras - Sun,Jupiter and Ketu conjunct at 12th house from Karakamsa in Navamsa and they also conjuncted in Rasi. I personally feel that I missed you some where,please advise in detail when ever your time permits. vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Respected memers Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same(But planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just said 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th from karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an assumption and others are free to hold that view. Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to different relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in the same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement elsewhere).If anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. Thanks Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Dear Pradeep, I think this comes back to the same debat that occured in this newsgroup a few months ago. However, I agree that everything depends on which chart you use Karakamsa, whether Rasi chart (as used by Sri KN Rao) or Navamsa chart, as some others do. Interestingly I can quote one incident which is my own experience. A few years ago I met a Nadi reader, who made my Rasi chart from the information in the palm leaf. All the planetary positions matched 100%, except the Lagna, which did not match my actual lagna, but did match with my Karakamsa lagna (brought over to Rasi). Interstingly this coincides with Sri KN Rao's concept of bringing Karakamsa Lagna to Rasi. I know some people in the newsgroup do not accept it. Nor I am intersted to open a thread for that discussion. Satya S Kolachina , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Respected memers > > Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from > karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same (But > planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we > understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just said > 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th from > karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an assumption > and others are free to hold that view. > Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta > devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have > just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to different > relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in the > same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having > sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement elsewhere).If > anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in > navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. > > Thanks > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 , "crystal pages" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear VL, > > The planet that is most advanced in any sign in a rashi chart is the > atmakaraka. > The atmakaraka is in a navamsha. > The navamsha sign is the reference that is called Karakamsha. > > The party divides into two at that point. > > A Team then looks at the navamsha chart with the navamsha which holds > the atmakaraka as the first house. In this scheme, the atamakaraka is > ALWAYS in the first house in the karakamsha chart > > B Team looks at the rashi chart but considers the first house to > contain the sign where atmakaraka is in in the navamsha chart. > > Atmakaraka mars is in aries rashi but libra navamsha. > > Team A will consider karakamsha lagna in Libra and mars in there > > Team B will consider karakamsha lagna in Libra sign in rashi chart, > Atmakaraka mars in 7th house. > > Clear as mud? > > RR As clear as mud can be Thanks for your time, RR; much appreciated. But then why are there two schools of thought in the first place - nebulose verbiage? +++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Dear Satya ji and other learned members who have expressed views. Satyaji,Thanks for sharing your valuable experiences. We can have any number of choices and experimentations.But at some point of time we have to shortlist. If we opt, we may learn from other's mistakes/experiences and make the shortlisting easier/earlier. For me ,if the party choosing views,deviating(not clear and explicit )from sages,are(those parties) not able to give their logic,then it is not worth experimenting. Again it is just my view.Every individual has the spark of divine within and hence everyone of us is right w.r to the realtive positions in our journey. Respect Pradeep , "Satya Sai Kolachina" <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I think this comes back to the same debat that occured in this > newsgroup a few months ago. However, I agree that everything depends > on which chart you use Karakamsa, whether Rasi chart (as used by Sri > KN Rao) or Navamsa chart, as some others do. > > Interestingly I can quote one incident which is my own experience. A > few years ago I met a Nadi reader, who made my Rasi chart from the > information in the palm leaf. > > All the planetary positions matched 100%, except the Lagna, which > did not match my actual lagna, but did match with my Karakamsa lagna > (brought over to Rasi). Interstingly this coincides with Sri KN > Rao's concept of bringing Karakamsa Lagna to Rasi. I know some > people in the newsgroup do not accept it. Nor I am intersted to open > a thread for that discussion. > > Satya S Kolachina > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Respected memers > > > > Regarding,Ishta devatha,planet having amsha in the 12th from > > karakamsha and placed in the 12th from karakamsha are not the same > (But > > planet lording 12th from karakamsha will always be the same).If we > > understand this difference our doubts will be cleared.Sage just > said > > 12th from karakamsha-never said planet having amsha in the 12th > from > > karakamsha.12th from karakamsha in ''navsmha chart'' is an > assumption > > and others are free to hold that view. > > Also two planets can never ''conjunct'' in a navamsha(making ishta > > devatha formulas in navamsha wrong).Planet A and Planet B will have > > just one position at a point in time.Vargas are pointing to > different > > relative backdrop/canvas.When we see two planets having amsha in > the > > same sign,they are having sambandha(Think of a planety having > > sambandha with houses lorded by it,inspite of placement > elsewhere).If > > anyone in this list can explain how two planets can conjunct in > > navamsha,i am ready to accept their understanding. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Hello, Karakamsa Lagna and karakamsa are one and same. Normally it is called Karakamsa lagna, because it is used as an alternate lagna to evaluate the horoscope. It is the sign in Navamsa occupied by the Atma karaka planet. While some people use the navamsa chart to interpret Karakamsa lagna based results, some people (including Sri KN Rao) use the Rasi chart to interpret Karakamsa based results by considering the karakamsa sign as the lagna. I hope it is made clear to you. Satya S Kolachina , "vernalagnia" <vernalagnia wrote: > > , "Satya Sai Kolachina" > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I think this comes back to the same debat that occured in this > > newsgroup a few months ago. However, I agree that everything depends > > on which chart you use Karakamsa, whether Rasi chart (as used by Sri > > KN Rao) or Navamsa chart, as some others do. > > > > Interestingly I can quote one incident which is my own experience. A > > few years ago I met a Nadi reader, who made my Rasi chart from the > > information in the palm leaf. > > > > All the planetary positions matched 100%, except the Lagna, which > > did not match my actual lagna, but did match with my Karakamsa lagna > > (brought over to Rasi). Interstingly this coincides with Sri KN > > Rao's concept of bringing Karakamsa Lagna to Rasi. I know some > > people in the newsgroup do not accept it. Nor I am intersted to open > > a thread for that discussion. > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > Dear Satya Kolachina, > > May I request you to explain what's this karakamsa (what I've believed > till now is that this is the navamsa of the atmakaraka) concept and > what's karakamsa lagna? > > I'm new to all this and am intrigued. If you have the time and don't > quite relish the prospect of dissent and all that on a new thread, > you're welcome to mail me privately. > > Looking forward to new knowledge here > > +++ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Dear Vijayji, This is how rumors start ;-) All I described was my understanding of Karakamsha based on what is published, classic and modern! Although it was posted in the thread of Ishta Devata, I hope I was prudent enough to not imply that what I was posting was an endorsement or confirmation of what is believed to be the regle sine qua non of how to find one's Ishta Devata! But whatever you are doing, if it works for you, small or large sample -- I say you have found gold.Go with it, till it is confirmed or transmutates into something else. RR , "childofdevi" <childofdevi wrote: > > Dear Ranjanji, > > After you posted thisd definition, I decided to backtest this on a > number of people whose Istadevata's I knew and to see which one of the > teams would give a better fit. Most of the people that I tested were > sadhaks for usually at least 10 years, so they were not like flipping > from one devata to another and their ista's were based only their > liking a certain deity (and not an astrologer telling them that so > ansd so is their ista). > > To my surprise, I found both Teams to have relevance esp. if there is > no planet in the rasi(at the 12th from AK), it is the planet in the > navamsa(12th from AK) that correctly gave the Ista and vice versa too. > My sample size was too small (7-10), so I will just say that it needs > further verification. Thank you for posting this. > > With best regards, > -Vijay > > > > , "crystal pages" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear VL, > > > > The planet that is most advanced in any sign in a rashi chart is the > > atmakaraka. > > The atmakaraka is in a navamsha. > > The navamsha sign is the reference that is called Karakamsha. > > > > The party divides into two at that point. > > > > A Team then looks at the navamsha chart with the navamsha which holds > > the atmakaraka as the first house. In this scheme, the atamakaraka is > > ALWAYS in the first house in the karakamsha chart > > > > B Team looks at the rashi chart but considers the first house to > > contain the sign where atmakaraka is in in the navamsha chart. > > > > Atmakaraka mars is in aries rashi but libra navamsha. > > > > Team A will consider karakamsha lagna in Libra and mars in there > > > > Team B will consider karakamsha lagna in Libra sign in rashi chart, > > Atmakaraka mars in 7th house. > > > > Clear as mud? > > > > RR > > > > > > , "vernalagnia" <vernalagnia@> > > wrote: > > > > > > , "Satya Sai Kolachina" > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I think this comes back to the same debat that occured in this > > > > newsgroup a few months ago. However, I agree that everything > > depends > > > > on which chart you use Karakamsa, whether Rasi chart (as used by > > Sri > > > > KN Rao) or Navamsa chart, as some others do. > > > > > > > > Interestingly I can quote one incident which is my own > > experience. A > > > > few years ago I met a Nadi reader, who made my Rasi chart from > > the > > > > information in the palm leaf. > > > > > > > > All the planetary positions matched 100%, except the Lagna, which > > > > did not match my actual lagna, but did match with my Karakamsa > > lagna > > > > (brought over to Rasi). Interstingly this coincides with Sri KN > > > > Rao's concept of bringing Karakamsa Lagna to Rasi. I know some > > > > people in the newsgroup do not accept it. Nor I am intersted to > > open > > > > a thread for that discussion. > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya Kolachina, > > > > > > May I request you to explain what's this karakamsa (what I've > > believed > > > till now is that this is the navamsa of the atmakaraka) concept and > > > what's karakamsa lagna? > > > > > > I'm new to all this and am intrigued. If you have the time and don't > > > quite relish the prospect of dissent and all that on a new thread, > > > you're welcome to mail me privately. > > > > > > Looking forward to new knowledge here > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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