Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Not bad at all, that's a start if any. It takes time to change and assimilate to new diets so don't pressure yourself. Its the sincere intent that matters. One day you might wake up and say "That's it". Until then, don't push yourself too hard. , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste, > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > Om Shanti > Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Would a chicken be considered a lesser animal than a cow? narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Not bad at all, that's a start if any. It takes time to change and assimilate to new diets so don't pressure yourself. Its the sincere intent that matters. One day you might wake up and say "That's it". Until then, don't push yourself too hard. , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste, > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > Om Shanti > Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 To a Hindu, all life is holy. Abstaining from eating beef is a gesture of reverence to all animals. The goddess Bhumi Ma (Mother Earth) is frequently envisioned as a cow. (And Lord Shiva's greatest devotee and vehicle is Nandi, the bull.) Bahuchara Ma is a goddess to whom the chicken is sacred. Name a critter, and there is probably a deity it is sacred to. I'm a Shakta (Goddess worshipper), and both Durga and Kali traditionally like a flesh offering at least once a year. -- Len james richard <nhraddude71 > wrote: Would a chicken be considered a lesser animal than a cow? narasimhaye <no_reply> wrote: Not bad at all, that's a start if any. It takes time to change and assimilate to new diets so don't pressure yourself. Its the sincere intent that matters. One day you might wake up and say "That's it". Until then, don't push yourself too hard. , james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Ive actually done a real good job of staying away from beef but I still eat chicken and fish. Is that still bad? > > > trikashaivism <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste, > > I've been veggie for 15 years and IMHO it is one the best decisions > I have ever made. I need to be careful that I don't get on my high > horse here as it is one of the subjects that I feel strongly about > and this group isn't really intended for such matters. But from a > purely spiritual perspective I think it is a wise choice in many > ways and I would recommend it to fellow seekers. > > Om Shanti > Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 As Gurudeva said (says) "if one tries to change all at once they will burn out and revert back to the old ways, take time but not more time than is required" .... such as if you eat beef once a month then its not too long to not eat beef Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Here is the question .. is a Chicken a living creature? Yes. So no eatting of chicken Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Ritually or literally? Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Is a broccoli a living creature? Is a carrot? What is more divine about animals than about plants? Life feeds on life. This is an obstacle I have towards becoming totally vegetarian. Why discriminate against plants? I have given up eating beef, not particularly because of belief, but because eating beef sets off my gout. I haven't eaten lamb in a very long time, and when a friend cooked a leg of lamb for me, I found I had lost the taste for it. I still eat fish, and chicken, and rarely (in Chinese cuisine) pork. It is important to be grateful for the sacrifice of life to maintain your own life -- this includes gratitude to the mushrooms, cabbages, and wheat grains that died to provide you with nourishment, too. -- Len Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi > wrote: Here is the question .. is a Chicken a living creature? Yes. So no eatting of chicken Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Namaste, Speaking purely personally it is about minimising the amount of suffering my existence inflicts on others, especially when it is not necessary to maintain my existence. The same question came up a few days ago in a Sivananda Q & A, which read: QUESTION #184: Should it not be considered as Himsa when we cut vegetables and fruits? ANSWER: Cutting vegetables is not Himsa. There is no real consciousness in plants and trees, although there is life in them. There is life in plants, sensation in animals, mentality in human beings and spirituality in sages. There is no Visesha Ahankara and reflection of Chaitanya in plants and trees. Hence they cannot experience pain. The tree will not say, "I am experiencing pain". The mind in plants and trees is not developed. It is quite rudimentary. It is Jada and insentient. Life on earth will be impossible if we take cutting vegetables also as Himsa. This is only splitting the hairs. This is the idle philosophy of those who take interest in vain discussions and arguments. Ignore trifles. Become a practical man. - Swami Sivananda , Len Rosenberg <lotus.black wrote: > > Is a broccoli a living creature? Is a carrot? What is more divine about animals than about plants? Life feeds on life. This is an obstacle I have towards becoming totally vegetarian. Why discriminate against plants? > > I have given up eating beef, not particularly because of belief, but because eating beef sets off my gout. I haven't eaten lamb in a very long time, and when a friend cooked a leg of lamb for me, I found I had lost the taste for it. I still eat fish, and chicken, and rarely (in Chinese cuisine) pork. It is important to be grateful for the sacrifice of life to maintain your own life -- this includes gratitude to the mushrooms, cabbages, and wheat grains that died to provide you with nourishment, too. > > -- Len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Yeah Len, We nead an artificial food supply that dosnt require devouring living things. Whats for dinner? , Len Rosenberg <lotus.black wrote: > > Is a broccoli a living creature? Is a carrot? What is more divine about animals than about plants? Life feeds on life. This is an obstacle I have towards becoming totally vegetarian. Why discriminate against plants? > > I have given up eating beef, not particularly because of belief, but because eating beef sets off my gout. I haven't eaten lamb in a very long time, and when a friend cooked a leg of lamb for me, I found I had lost the taste for it. I still eat fish, and chicken, and rarely (in Chinese cuisine) pork. It is important to be grateful for the sacrifice of life to maintain your own life -- this includes gratitude to the mushrooms, cabbages, and wheat grains that died to provide you with nourishment, too. > > -- Len > > > Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi wrote: Here is the question .. is a Chicken a living creature? Yes. So no eatting of chicken > > > Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 ---Is it so bad if you can kill an animal without it suffering. If i walk up behind a turkey and turn its head into a fine mist with a shotgun does he ever have time to suffer? Its not like I stopped him from doing any serious contemplating because they are to stuped to get out of the road for cars . I had to get out of my car and physically move one out of the road because it would not respond to my horn. jim In , "trikashaivism" <Trikashaivism wrote: > > Namaste, > > Speaking purely personally it is about minimising the amount of > suffering my existence inflicts on others, especially when it is not > necessary to maintain my existence. > > The same question came up a few days ago in a Sivananda Q & A, which > read: > > QUESTION #184: Should it not be considered as Himsa when we cut > vegetables and fruits? > > ANSWER: Cutting vegetables is not Himsa. There is no real > consciousness in plants and trees, although there is life in them. > There is life in plants, sensation in animals, mentality in human > beings and spirituality in sages. There is no Visesha Ahankara and > reflection of Chaitanya in plants and trees. Hence they cannot > experience pain. The tree will not say, "I am experiencing pain". > The mind in plants and trees is not developed. It is quite > rudimentary. It is Jada and insentient. Life on earth will be > impossible if we take cutting vegetables also as Himsa. > > This is only splitting the hairs. This is the idle philosophy of > those who take interest in vain discussions and arguments. Ignore > trifles. Become a practical man. > - Swami Sivananda > > > > > > , Len Rosenberg <lotus.black@> > wrote: > > > > Is a broccoli a living creature? Is a carrot? What is more > divine about animals than about plants? Life feeds on life. This > is an obstacle I have towards becoming totally vegetarian. Why > discriminate against plants? > > > > I have given up eating beef, not particularly because of belief, > but because eating beef sets off my gout. I haven't eaten lamb in a > very long time, and when a friend cooked a leg of lamb for me, I > found I had lost the taste for it. I still eat fish, and chicken, > and rarely (in Chinese cuisine) pork. It is important to be > grateful for the sacrifice of life to maintain your own life -- this > includes gratitude to the mushrooms, cabbages, and wheat grains that > died to provide you with nourishment, too. > > > > -- Len > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 When we reincarnate [from my understanding] we don't into plant, only animals. plus what I said was living creature, I said nothing of a plant not living. asSage Yogaswami said eat of a plant that you dont kill off of one meal, so if the whole plant is one part of a meal it isnt something to eat. like flowers on a shrub, if you pick one, the plant does not die! Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Most plants photosynthesize. They derive nutrition from sunlight, water, and minerals in the soil. The comic strip "Mutts" had Mootch the cat lying in the sunlight. His friend Earl the dog asks what he's doing. "Attempting photosynthesis," says Mootch. How's it going? "You'r blocking my lunch!" replies the cat. -- Len nhraddude71 <nhraddude71 > wrote: Yeah Len, We nead an artificial food supply that dosnt require devouring living things. Whats for dinner? , Len Rosenberg wrote: > > Is a broccoli a living creature? Is a carrot? What is more divine about animals than about plants? Life feeds on life. This is an obstacle I have towards becoming totally vegetarian. Why discriminate against plants? > > I have given up eating beef, not particularly because of belief, but because eating beef sets off my gout. I haven't eaten lamb in a very long time, and when a friend cooked a leg of lamb for me, I found I had lost the taste for it. I still eat fish, and chicken, and rarely (in Chinese cuisine) pork. It is important to be grateful for the sacrifice of life to maintain your own life -- this includes gratitude to the mushrooms, cabbages, and wheat grains that died to provide you with nourishment, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Well, look at it this was, as I think Swami was pointing out, Look at the victims of 2004 Tsunami and Hurricane Katrina, they were born to pass in group karma, Plants are as much as we are, but they are their to be eaten, plus look at what the mahatma said, eat to live not live to eat Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 we all things to overcome Aum. Summa Iru! Summa Iru!! Summa Iru!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 So if you are a fruitatarian, you are practicing ahimsa, so long as you don't destroy any seeds. But when you eat an entire plant, you are killing that plant, yes? Plants create fruits with (often) delicious flesh, so that birds and animals will eat the fruits and spread the seeds to propagate the plant. What about, say, fish or insects? Fish and insects lay thousands and thousands of eggs. These are designed to be sacrificed to predators. The number of eggs and baby fish or immature insects is drastically reduced by predators. The small number that survive grow up to be adults and reproduce. When a natural predator is eliminated, the population explosion is enormous! Ask any Australians about the problem of cane toads. But can't you argue that, at least for fish, insects, and other creatures that reproduce in volumes of hundreds and thousands, these creatures were designed to be prey, and the excess eaten by predators? If forced to eat at a McDonalds, I'll get a salad, and a fish sandwich, thanks! -- Len Padmakara <devodakshinamurthi > wrote: When we reincarnate [from my understanding] we don't into plant, only animals. plus what I said was living creature, I said nothing of a plant not living. asSage Yogaswami said eat of a plant that you dont kill off of one meal, so if the whole plant is one part of a meal it isnt something to eat. like flowers on a shrub, if you pick one, the plant does not die! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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