RE: Interesting Question- Muhirtha 13/6 p3

[Guest guest]

Hi Prafulla,

Muhurthas have a role in giving us some options, not over riding what the chart itself is destined to like a cow or ox tied to a pole in the olden day oil mills, it is free within that circle to move as it likes.

fate and free will is 50:50 BUT by negligence/ignorace/arrogence we can shift the free will part of 50 to fate also not other way round- to some extent or fully.as 100% fate

we can't choose a super Muhurtha and change our fate or event that is why i quoted Dasharatha fixing Sri Rama pattabisheka Muhurtha, which he knew won't work yet did try it and also suffered the grief, but the Jana Kalayana through it in Rama avatara was achieved by the said Muhirtha and he got the kingdom anyway later.

Prasahnt

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sharma ji

Please call me by Prafulla.

I quoted, what transpired in a discussion with a very knowledgeable person. In his opinion, he was very categoric that, the moment thought came in mind, Muhurta has occured. Muhurta Like Sanyas occurs ("ghatit hota hai"), not done.

I am not experienced in muhurta related astrology, hence can not really offer any comment on it. Yes, most astrologers do the muhurta calculations for various events relating to marriage, house etc. However rationally speaking, none of these events are bigger than the birth or death itself, and if birth / death time can not be normally governed - then, how can other much smaller events be governed by muhurta.

regards / Prafulla Gang

It's natural to look at the flaws in others to make yourself feel better. But just remember that no one is perfect. Be kinder to yourself and you might find that you're able to be a lot kinder to others too.

>

> polite_astro

> Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

>

> RE: Interesting Question- Mr.Prafulla /MINOR " any genuine

> person <Priya's marriage>]

>

> .HARE RAM.

> Dear Mr.Prafulla,

> To see Muhurta, for permanent things like Marriage and buying or

> constructing a new house, is quite compulsory.What is the logic behind

> the Muhurta? is to take extra precaution, nothing else and to take extra

> precaution is not only the human nature but also is our duty.Am i wrong?

>

> Regards

> Shashie Shekhar

>

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> I happen to discuss muhurta with one learned yogi (though he predicts,

> but except emergency - he is not fortune teller). what he says that, the

> religious ceremonies (or say rituals) for muhurta has no meaning, as

> muhurta occurs, the moment - thought is conceived in the mind (for the

> act e.g. buying house etc).

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> In the long history of humankind (and animalkind, too) those who learned

> to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed.

>

>

>>

>> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

>> Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:14:01 -0000

>>

>> Interesting Question [WAS: MINOR " any genuine person

>>

> ]

>>

>> This is a very interesting area indeed!

>>

>> There are many marriages that take place in many countries without

>> muhurta nirnaya etc. Obviously not all of them break up! And I am

>> sure marriages done impeccably at the most carefully chosen muhurta

>> do not all survive the ravages of time!

>>

>> Has any of the forum members tried to look into this matter?

>>

>> Any illustrations of the efficacy of muhurtas like these often

>> expressed so emphatically, that were tested by anyone and can be

>> quoted to highlight their supremacy over the King of Muhurtas --

>> chosen by God and Nature, namely the muhurta of Birth?

>>

>> Some may argue that in a variable number of cases the muhurta of

>> birth is chosen by the obstetrician who must go to his golf game, but

>> as they say, The LORD moves in mysterious ways!!!

>>

>> Facts, numbers, examples? Please share, don't be shy!

>>

>> RR

>>

>>

>> , shashi shekhar sharma

>>

> wrote:

>>>

>>> .HARE RAM.

>>> Dear Priya jee,

>>> This year marriages are not in Oct and Nov due to the

>> debilitation of Venus and Jupiter.Therefore your marriage may take

>> place up to 12th of Dec 2006.

>>>

>>> Shashie Shekhar

>>>

>>>

>>> shashi shekhar sharma

> wrote:

>>> .HARE RAM.

>>> Dear Priya jee,

>>> We do not know we all are genuine or not but we all do try to say

>> genuinly as much as we can say.Your engagement will take place after

>> July-2006 and

>>> you will get married in Nov-2006 if not any how in this month

>> than your marriage will take place after July-2007 but before Nov-

>> 2007 positively.Plz pray to Godess Parvati daily started from

>> Friday.God may bless you.

>>>

>>> With all good wishes

>>> Shashie Shekhar

>>> Mobile-09818310075

>>> Delhi

>>>

>>>

>>> astrologerashutosh wrote:

>>> December 2006.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -

>>> priya_2221a

>>>

>>> Sunday, 11 June, 2006 18:08

>>> any geniun person who seriously can reply to my mail

>> please let me know

>>>

>>>

>>> hello,

>>> please tell me .when will i get married .

>>> my dob/30-march-1975

>>> tob/23:59:00

>>> place

>>> jaipur

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prafulla,

 

As I mentioned elsewhere, my surmise is that muhurta selection and

remedy selection are both manifestations of the same basic thought or

idea, namely, that even though natal horoscope indicates something

negative, it can be reversed slightly or completely by selecting the

appropriate muhurta and/or remedy.

 

Unfortunatly, to the best of my knowledge, despite many anecdotal

accounts, no one has really tried to lay out the facts and data, as

in cases in which muhurtas made or broke the original indication in a

natal chart. Similarly, there are no such clearly and openly

documented accounts about remedies. At one time I asked similar

questions here and Tanvir gave a very good account of his personal

experiences with remedies. However, before these matters are accepted

or rejected or demonstrated as being solid (muhurta or remedies) a

much more stringent accounting needs to be done. This is, sadly, true

for other areas of jyotish too.

 

That represents a lot of organized record-keeping, lot of time to

describe and then show the evidence. Who really has the interest,

energy or time for doing that. Unfortunately, until such can be done,

the subject will remain clouded. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Perhaps someone will someday, even collect the anecdotal evidence and

bring those together to have something in one place which is better

than the current state of widespread scatter.

 

While the idea would be a prospective study (find muhurta and see the

outcome) but in its absence, perhaps we can do this backward and for

instance see if a purchase of home or car or a marriage that turned

out to be a positive or negative experience -- was carried out at a

moment which would be considered auspicious or inauspicious based on

muhurta nirnaya. Like I said, work is involved, who would do that?

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Kumar

>

> I understand the analogy of muhurta, yet do not understand

rationale. BTW, it is not the free will. Sometimes, I think - if We

are tring to fix the birth time and manipulate the event (object)

chart. But can we? As you rightly said, it can not supercede the

natal chart..and then what are we trying to control. Is it a karmic

process to get rid of karmic sins (dosha pariharya)? if so, then it

is understandable.

>

> I was quoted too (some time back) that Narada Purana talks about

muhurta. And it supports the notion that, Muhurta occurs at the

moment - we conclude the idea (i.e. house muhurta occurs at the

moment, we decides to buy / construct ; and likewise for other

events).

>

> Since, I am not into muhurta related astrology, my notions may be

wrong.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> It's natural to look at the flaws in others to make yourself feel

better. But just remember that no one is perfect. Be kinder to

yourself and you might find that you're able to be a lot kinder to

others too.

>

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:20:57 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > RE: Interesting Question- Muhirtha 13/6 p3

> >

> > Hi Prafulla,

> >

> > Muhurthas have a role in giving us some options, not over

riding what

> > the chart itself is destined to like a cow or ox tied to a pole

in the

> > olden day oil mills, it is free within that circle to move as it

likes.

> >

> > fate and free will is 50:50 BUT by

negligence/ignorace/arrogence we can

> > shift the free will part of 50 to fate also not other way round-

to some

> > extent or fully.as 100% fate

> >

> > we can't choose a super Muhurtha and change our fate or event

that is

> > why i quoted Dasharatha fixing Sri Rama pattabisheka Muhurtha,

which he

> > knew won't work yet did try it and also suffered the grief, but

the Jana

> > Kalayana through it in Rama avatara was achieved by the said

Muhirtha

> > and he got the kingdom anyway later.

> >

> > Prasahnt

> >

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > Dear Sharma ji

> >

> > Please call me by Prafulla.

> >

> > I quoted, what transpired in a discussion with a very

knowledgeable

> > person. In his opinion, he was very categoric that, the moment

thought

> > came in mind, Muhurta has occured. Muhurta Like Sanyas occurs

("ghatit

> > hota hai"), not done.

> >

> > I am not experienced in muhurta related astrology, hence can

not really

> > offer any comment on it. Yes, most astrologers do the muhurta

> > calculations for various events relating to marriage, house etc.

However

> > rationally speaking, none of these events are bigger than the

birth or

> > death itself, and if birth / death time can not be normally

governed -

> > then, how can other much smaller events be governed by muhurta.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > It's natural to look at the flaws in others to make yourself

feel

> > better. But just remember that no one is perfect. Be kinder to

yourself

> > and you might find that you're able to be a lot kinder to others

too.

> >

> > >

> > > polite_astro

> > > Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:53:45 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > RE: Interesting Question- Mr.Prafulla /MINOR "

any

> > genuine

> > > person <Priya's marriage>]

> > >

> > > .HARE RAM.

> > > Dear Mr.Prafulla,

> > > To see Muhurta, for permanent things like Marriage and

buying or

> > > constructing a new house, is quite compulsory.What is the

logic

> > behind

> > > the Muhurta? is to take extra precaution, nothing else and to

take

> > extra

> > > precaution is not only the human nature but also is our

duty.Am i

> > wrong?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Shashie Shekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> > > Dear Ranjan ji

> > >

> > > I happen to discuss muhurta with one learned yogi (though he

> > predicts,

> > > but except emergency - he is not fortune teller). what he

says that,

> > the

> > > religious ceremonies (or say rituals) for muhurta has no

meaning, as

> > > muhurta occurs, the moment - thought is conceived in the mind

(for

> > the

> > > act e.g. buying house etc).

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > In the long history of humankind (and animalkind, too) those

who

> > learned

> > > to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed.

> > >

> > >

> > >>

> > >> rrgb

> > >> Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:14:01 -0000

> > >>

> > >> Interesting Question [WAS: MINOR " any genuine

person

> > >>

> > > ]

> > >>

> > >> This is a very interesting area indeed!

> > >>

> > >> There are many marriages that take place in many countries

without

> > >> muhurta nirnaya etc. Obviously not all of them break up! And

I am

> > >> sure marriages done impeccably at the most carefully chosen

muhurta

> > >> do not all survive the ravages of time!

> > >>

> > >> Has any of the forum members tried to look into this matter?

> > >>

> > >> Any illustrations of the efficacy of muhurtas like these

often

> > >> expressed so emphatically, that were tested by anyone and

can be

> > >> quoted to highlight their supremacy over the King of

Muhurtas --

> > >> chosen by God and Nature, namely the muhurta of Birth?

> > >>

> > >> Some may argue that in a variable number of cases the

muhurta of

> > >> birth is chosen by the obstetrician who must go to his golf

game,

> > but

> > >> as they say, The LORD moves in mysterious ways!!!

> > >>

> > >> Facts, numbers, examples? Please share, don't be shy!

> > >>

> > >> RR

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> , shashi shekhar

sharma

> > >>

> > > wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> .HARE RAM.

> > >>> Dear Priya jee,

> > >>> This year marriages are not in Oct and Nov due to the

> > >> debilitation of Venus and Jupiter.Therefore your marriage

may take

> > >> place up to 12th of Dec 2006.

> > >>>

> > >>> Shashie Shekhar

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> shashi shekhar sharma

> > > wrote:

> > >>> .HARE RAM.

> > >>> Dear Priya jee,

> > >>> We do not know we all are genuine or not but we all do try

to say

> > >> genuinly as much as we can say.Your engagement will take

place after

> > >> July-2006 and

> > >>> you will get married in Nov-2006 if not any how in this

month

> > >> than your marriage will take place after July-2007 but

before Nov-

> > >> 2007 positively.Plz pray to Godess Parvati daily started from

> > >> Friday.God may bless you.

> > >>>

> > >>> With all good wishes

> > >>> Shashie Shekhar

> > >>> Mobile-09818310075

> > >>> Delhi

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > >>> December 2006.

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> -

> > >>> priya_2221a

> > >>>

> > >>> Sunday, 11 June, 2006 18:08

> > >>> any geniun person who seriously can reply to

my mail

> > >> please let me know

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> hello,

> > >>> please tell me .when will i get married .

> > >>> my dob/30-march-1975

> > >>> tob/23:59:00

> > >>> place

> > >>> jaipur

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>