Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?) I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' river-tumbled stones IF such exist? Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a water-tumbled stone; therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri Narayana Bhagavan. Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the 'material' worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a qualified Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and spiritual (and material) treasure. A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila must be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the heart of His sevak. Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram Sila. This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of age. When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who brought him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which were huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a Shivite-sadhu; but I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga Shalagram was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 inch in diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram from his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most extra-ordinary. BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth black egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. Best rgds, Richard Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Sir, I would like to add my 2 cents if you don't mind. I guess that IS true to some degree about being somewhat of a decent devotee, as THAKUR JI only comes to those people he wants to be served by, PERIOD. But, by having the attitude of being afraid of this type of worship, i have seen many well qualified, longtime devotees unecessarily cheat themselves out of a closer, more intimate relationship with the LORD. In short, Salagram Sila puja is made available to mankind because it is less strict than SRI MURTHY worship, but just as potent; and yet strict enough to increase one's fixity in worship, vows, regulative principles, etc. Nevertheless, one is not expected to be totally perfect when that worship is taken up, as BHAGAVAN knows our limitations. I hope i don't sound sanctimonious by saying this, but In my view, I feel that every devotee of Lord Vishnu (i.e. Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Vitthala Panduranga, Venkateshwar, etc.) should attempt to worship a salagram sila as it gives one more fixity in devotional life. JANARDANA DASA ---OM TAT SAT!!! Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy > wrote: So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?) I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' river-tumbled stones IF such exist? Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a water-tumbled stone; therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri Narayana Bhagavan. Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the 'material' worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a qualified Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and spiritual (and material) treasure. A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila must be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the heart of His sevak. Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram Sila. This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of age. When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who brought him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which were huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a Shivite-sadhu; but I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga Shalagram was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 inch in diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram from his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most extra-ordinary. BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth black egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. Best rgds, Richard Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Janardana Dasaji Hari Om! I wanted to get Shaligram Shila was told by a devotee at Hare krishna temple that I had to be a pure vegetarian - no onions or garlic to be used in any food. Then only I can worship one. Is this true? Look forward to hearing from you soon. Om Vandana --- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: > Dear Sir, I would like to add my 2 cents if you > don't mind. I guess that IS true to some degree > about being somewhat of a decent devotee, as THAKUR > JI only comes to those people he wants to be served > by, PERIOD. But, by having the attitude of being > afraid of this type of worship, i have seen many > well qualified, longtime devotees unecessarily cheat > themselves out of a closer, more intimate > relationship with the LORD. > > In short, Salagram Sila puja is made available to > mankind because it is less strict than SRI MURTHY > worship, but just as potent; and yet strict enough > to increase one's fixity in worship, vows, > regulative principles, etc. Nevertheless, one is > not expected to be totally perfect when that worship > is taken up, as BHAGAVAN knows our limitations. I > hope i don't sound sanctimonious by saying this, but > In my view, I feel that every devotee of Lord Vishnu > (i.e. Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Vitthala Panduranga, > Venkateshwar, etc.) should attempt to worship a > salagram sila as it gives one more fixity in > devotional life. > > JANARDANA DASA > > ---OM TAT SAT!!! > > Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy > wrote: > So the question specifically is: Are there > any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or > stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? > (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are > they sacred? Also, where specifically are they > found and what is their availability?) > > I have been instructed that everyone but a pure > Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, > but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is > this information in accordance with your > understanding of them? What would be the > requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper > care and maintenance) of any other Deities' > river-tumbled stones IF such exist? > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: > Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a > water-tumbled stone; > therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. > The word "gem" is > used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that > is rare, > attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and > powerful; in the case of > Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also > known as Sri > Narayana Bhagavan. > > Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who > is greater than the > sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), > therefore the 'material' > worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation > and impossible to > measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is > considered a sinful > offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram > Shila from a qualified > Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such > a priceless and > spiritual (and material) treasure. > > A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or > pearl, needs only > an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri > Shalagram Sila must > be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such > as Tulasi leaves, > Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to > Shalagram Sila > according to the desire of Paramatman within the > heart of the devotee. > Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship > from within the > heart of His sevak. > > Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me > my Shalagram Sila. > This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already > over 100 years of age. > When he was a child he was given in alms to > wandering monks who brought > him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years > in the Himalayas > performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, > Nepal in 1999. His > name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. > > Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before > his demise. He was > responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, > Nepal, and he also > organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta > Maha-Yajnas which were > huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a > Shivite-sadhu; but > I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was > "Hari-siddhi;" as > for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. > > Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection > of Shalagram Silas > in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One > Narasinga Shalagram > was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, > most of which was > the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured > above) is 1 inch in > diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took > that Shalagram from > his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold > religious items) and > told me It was better than any of the ones he had. > It was-IS perfect. > Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it > to me, no charge. > With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. > > Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me > Lord Vishnu, in > Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally > indebted to His > Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he > was most > extra-ordinary. > > BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most > perfect water tumbled > with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in > the 1" smooth black > egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the > picture. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Dear Sriman, There are only minimum 4 ingredients required in Shalagram puja, viz., scented flower, Tulasi leaf, Ganga water, and Fruit. The most important thing is to obtain a genuine Shalagram or Govardhan Shila, or even Kailash Shila, not just any stone. And according to shastra,Shalagramas do not require installation ceremony. The worship of shalagrama is thebest form of worship, better than the worship of the sun.--- SkandaPurana The only qualification required is that one be in possession of a real Shilavatar. It is stated that one can do elaborate puja or one can do simple puja, or even carelessly, still it is the highest achievment. It is not easy to get a real shila. It requires loads of Sukriti. So anyone can do Shalagram shila, however, and it is the most auspicious Object on Earth. Even an athiest would be hugely blessed just by hearing the sound, "Shaligram" (what to speak of owning - or being owned by A Shalagram. Stones come from all over the globe. And every atom contains the Paramatma, so God is in every stone, and if anyone focus their mind on God in any form He will reciprocate. So any object can be worshipped as having God because God is all-pervading. YET, Shastra has specifically recommended Shalagram over all other objects, including over the Sun. So any one - regardless of faith, should get and respect a genuine Shalagram Shila, which are ammonites that come from Gandaki in Nepal. Ammonites from any other place are not accepted as Shaligram Shila. There are also other Shilas associated with Avatars and Lilas, but Shalagram is held as highest in Shastra. Please get yourself a Shalagram and be blessed. There is no harm in carelessly worshipping, because Lord Krishna is "atmarama" and never feels any inconvenience, regardless how he is handled. Even if a demon broke a Shalagram, still God is atmaram and always undisturbed. So Shalagram is not to be feared, Shaligram is to be loved!!! Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy wrote: > > So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?) > > I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' river-tumbled stones IF such exist? > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a water-tumbled stone; > therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is > used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, > attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of > Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri > Narayana Bhagavan. > > Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the > sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the 'material' > worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to > measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful > offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a qualified > Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and > spiritual (and material) treasure. > > A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only > an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila must > be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, > Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila > according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. > Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the > heart of His sevak. > > Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram Sila. > This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of age. > When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who brought > him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas > performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His > name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. > > Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was > responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also > organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which were > huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a Shivite-sadhu; but > I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as > for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. > > Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas > in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga Shalagram > was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was > the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 inch in > diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram from > his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and > told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. > Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. > With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. > > Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in > Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His > Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most > extra-ordinary. > > BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled > with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth black > egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 PRABHU JI!!!! You said exactly everything & more I wanted to say on the subject. JAI SREE KRISHNA ! JANARDANA DASA Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear Sriman, There are only minimum 4 ingredients required in Shalagram puja, viz., scented flower, Tulasi leaf, Ganga water, and Fruit. The most important thing is to obtain a genuine Shalagram or Govardhan Shila, or even Kailash Shila, not just any stone. And according to shastra,Shalagramas do not require installation ceremony. The worship of shalagrama is thebest form of worship, better than the worship of the sun.--- SkandaPurana The only qualification required is that one be in possession of a real Shilavatar. It is stated that one can do elaborate puja or one can do simple puja, or even carelessly, still it is the highest achievment. It is not easy to get a real shila. It requires loads of Sukriti. So anyone can do Shalagram shila, however, and it is the most auspicious Object on Earth. Even an athiest would be hugely blessed just by hearing the sound, "Shaligram" (what to speak of owning - or being owned by A Shalagram. Stones come from all over the globe. And every atom contains the Paramatma, so God is in every stone, and if anyone focus their mind on God in any form He will reciprocate. So any object can be worshipped as having God because God is all-pervading. YET, Shastra has specifically recommended Shalagram over all other objects, including over the Sun. So any one - regardless of faith, should get and respect a genuine Shalagram Shila, which are ammonites that come from Gandaki in Nepal. Ammonites from any other place are not accepted as Shaligram Shila. There are also other Shilas associated with Avatars and Lilas, but Shalagram is held as highest in Shastra. Please get yourself a Shalagram and be blessed. There is no harm in carelessly worshipping, because Lord Krishna is "atmarama" and never feels any inconvenience, regardless how he is handled. Even if a demon broke a Shalagram, still God is atmaram and always undisturbed. So Shalagram is not to be feared, Shaligram is to be loved!!! Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy wrote: > > So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?) > > I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' river-tumbled stones IF such exist? > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a water-tumbled stone; > therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is > used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, > attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of > Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri > Narayana Bhagavan. > > Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the > sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the 'material' > worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to > measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful > offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a qualified > Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and > spiritual (and material) treasure. > > A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only > an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila must > be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, > Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila > according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. > Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the > heart of His sevak. > > Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram Sila. > This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of age. > When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who brought > him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas > performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His > name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. > > Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was > responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also > organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which were > huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a Shivite-sadhu; but > I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as > for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. > > Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas > in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga Shalagram > was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was > the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 inch in > diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram from > his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and > told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. > Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. > With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. > > Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in > Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His > Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most > extra-ordinary. > > BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled > with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth black > egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Except for the general remark to Sriman that "God is in every stone", there has been no response to my original question re: "Are there any OTHER river (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?" (Just as an example of what I'm asking....perhaps, since Pt Siva Prasad tata has pointed out that "Sindhu river originates from the Manasa Sarovar created by Brahma and hence we have to consider Brahma as the ruling deity", it may ALSO be very auspicious to have a water-tumbled stone from Sindhu??) BTW, I'm hoping & trusting this Group is not an "Insiders' club" and that every sincere and legitimate question is responded to equally. How else can we be sure of finding gentle teachers and gracious prabhus here? (Thanks!) Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66 > wrote: Dear Sriman, There are only minimum 4 ingredients required in Shalagram puja, viz., scented flower, Tulasi leaf, Ganga water, and Fruit. The most important thing is to obtain a genuine Shalagram or Govardhan Shila, or even Kailash Shila, not just any stone. And according to shastra,Shalagramas do not require installation ceremony. The worship of shalagrama is thebest form of worship, better than the worship of the sun.--- SkandaPurana The only qualification required is that one be in possession of a real Shilavatar. It is stated that one can do elaborate puja or one can do simple puja, or even carelessly, still it is the highest achievment. It is not easy to get a real shila. It requires loads of Sukriti. So anyone can do Shalagram shila, however, and it is the most auspicious Object on Earth. Even an athiest would be hugely blessed just by hearing the sound, "Shaligram" (what to speak of owning - or being owned by A Shalagram. Stones come from all over the globe. And every atom contains the Paramatma, so God is in every stone, and if anyone focus their mind on God in any form He will reciprocate. So any object can be worshipped as having God because God is all-pervading. YET, Shastra has specifically recommended Shalagram over all other objects, including over the Sun. So any one - regardless of faith, should get and respect a genuine Shalagram Shila, which are ammonites that come from Gandaki in Nepal. Ammonites from any other place are not accepted as Shaligram Shila. There are also other Shilas associated with Avatars and Lilas, but Shalagram is held as highest in Shastra. Please get yourself a Shalagram and be blessed. There is no harm in carelessly worshipping, because Lord Krishna is "atmarama" and never feels any inconvenience, regardless how he is handled. Even if a demon broke a Shalagram, still God is atmaram and always undisturbed. So Shalagram is not to be feared, Shaligram is to be loved!!! Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy wrote: > > So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?) > > I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' river-tumbled stones IF such exist? > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a water-tumbled stone; > therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is > used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, > attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of > Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri > Narayana Bhagavan. > > Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the > sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the 'material' > worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to > measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful > offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a qualified > Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and > spiritual (and material) treasure. > > A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only > an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila must > be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, > Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila > according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. > Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the > heart of His sevak. > > Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram Sila. > This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of age. > When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who brought > him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas > performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His > name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. > > Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was > responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also > organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which were > huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a Shivite-sadhu; but > I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as > for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. > > Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas > in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga Shalagram > was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was > the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 inch in > diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram from > his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and > told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. > Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. > With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. > > Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in > Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His > Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most > extra-ordinary. > > BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled > with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth black > egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. > > Best rgds, > Richard > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Hi Rasul, We do not know everything. This group was formed to answer your questions. Any one, from any culture, please respond! But as far as scriptural recognition there is only Shalagram Shila from Gandaki and a couple others that are bona fide. Best rgds, Richard sacred-objects, Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy wrote: > > Except for the general remark to Sriman that "God is in every stone", there has been no response to my original question re: "Are there any OTHER river (water) tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada Lingam? If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their availability?" > > (Just as an example of what I'm asking....perhaps, since Pt Siva Prasad tata has pointed out that "Sindhu river originates from the Manasa Sarovar created by Brahma and hence we have to consider Brahma as the ruling deity", it may ALSO be very auspicious to have a water-tumbled stone from Sindhu??) > > BTW, I'm hoping & trusting this Group is not an "Insiders' club" and that every sincere and legitimate question is responded to equally. How else can we be sure of finding gentle teachers and gracious prabhus here? (Thanks!) > > > > > Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66 wrote: > Dear Sriman, > > There are only minimum 4 ingredients required in Shalagram puja, viz., > scented flower, Tulasi leaf, Ganga water, and Fruit. The most > important thing is to obtain a genuine Shalagram or Govardhan Shila, > or even Kailash Shila, not just any stone. And according to shastra,Shalagramas do not require installation ceremony. The worship of shalagrama is thebest form of worship, better than the worship of the sun.--- SkandaPurana > > The only qualification required is that one be in possession of a real > Shilavatar. It is stated that one can do elaborate puja or one can do > simple puja, or even carelessly, still it is the highest achievment. > It is not easy to get a real shila. It requires loads of Sukriti. So > anyone can do Shalagram shila, however, and it is the most auspicious > Object on Earth. Even an athiest would be hugely blessed just by > hearing the sound, "Shaligram" (what to speak of owning - or being > owned by A Shalagram. > > Stones come from all over the globe. And every atom contains the > Paramatma, so God is in every stone, and if anyone focus their mind on > God in any form He will reciprocate. So any object can be worshipped > as having God because God is all-pervading. > > YET, Shastra has specifically recommended Shalagram over all other > objects, including over the Sun. So any one - regardless of faith, > should get and respect a genuine Shalagram Shila, which are ammonites > that come from Gandaki in Nepal. Ammonites from any other place are > not accepted as Shaligram Shila. There are also other Shilas > associated with Avatars and Lilas, but Shalagram is held as highest in > Shastra. > > Please get yourself a Shalagram and be blessed. There is no harm in > carelessly worshipping, because Lord Krishna is "atmarama" and never > feels any inconvenience, regardless how he is handled. Even if a demon > broke a Shalagram, still God is atmaram and always undisturbed. So > Shalagram is not to be feared, Shaligram is to be loved!!! > > Best rgds, > Richard > > sacred-objects, Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy@> wrote: > > > > So the question specifically is: Are there any other river- (water) > tumbled sacred minerals or stones, besides Shalagram Sila and Narmada > Lingam? (If so, which Deity do they manifest or to Whom are they > sacred? Also, where specifically are they found and what is their > availability?) > > > > I have been instructed that everyone but a pure Devotee should > steer well clear of Shalagram Sila, but that Narmada Lingam is > accessible to all. Is this information in accordance with your > understanding of them? What would be the requirements for "ownership" > (or at least proper care and maintenance) of any other Deities' > river-tumbled stones IF such exist? > > > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@> wrote: > Sri Shalagram Sila is manifest externally as a > water-tumbled stone; > > therefore Shalagram Silas may be said to be gems. The word "gem" is > > used for any fine quality stone, pearl or coral that is rare, > > attractive, portable, durable, valuable, and powerful; in the case of > > Shalagram Sila the ruling Deity is Lord Hari, also known as Sri > > Narayana Bhagavan. > > > > Because a Shalagram Sila is ruled by Bhagavan, Who is greater than the > > sum total of ALL the universes (mahat-tattva), therefore the > 'material' > > worth of a real Shalagram Sila is beyond calculation and impossible to > > measure. Buying/selling a Shalagram Sila is considered a sinful > > offense; receiving a gift of a genuine Shalagram Shila from a > qualified > > Hari-bhakta is the only way to properly obtain such a priceless and > > spiritual (and material) treasure. > > > > A normal fine quality planetary gem, like a ruby or pearl, needs only > > an initial invocation to begin ownership; but a Sri Shalagram Sila > must > > be worshiped daily with certain paraphernalia such as Tulasi leaves, > > Ganga-jala, fruit and water, etc. Puja is offered to Shalagram Sila > > according to the desire of Paramatman within the heart of the devotee. > > Sri Shalagram Sila ALWAYS controls his Own worship from within the > > heart of His sevak. > > > > Attached is a color picture of the sadhu who gave me my Shalagram > Sila. > > This photo was taken in 1975 when he was already over 100 years of > age. > > When he was a child he was given in alms to wandering monks who > brought > > him up as a bal-brahmachari. He lived over 90 years in the Himalayas > > performing tapasya. He passed away in Bhaktapur, Nepal in 1999. His > > name was Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba. > > > > Kali Baba was the most famous sadhu in Nepal before his demise. He was > > responsible for founding schools in Dhulikhel, Nepal, and he also > > organized three orthodox Srimad Bhagavatam Sapta Maha-Yajnas which > were > > huge events in the Kingdom. Some people say he was a > Shivite-sadhu; but > > I knew him well speaking in Hindi, and his name was "Hari-siddhi;" as > > for Lord Shiva, Kali Baba himself was Lord Shiva. > > > > Hari-siddhi Kali Baba had a most amazing collection of Shalagram Silas > > in his "dhooni" (where a sadhu keeps the fire). One Narasinga > Shalagram > > was museum quality perfect and weighted about 20 kg, most of which was > > the huge chakra. The Shalagram he gave me (pictured above) is 1 > inch in > > diameter with perfect chakra and shape, and he took that Shalagram > from > > his friend in Pashupati Nath Mandira (who sold religious items) and > > told me It was better than any of the ones he had. It was-IS perfect. > > Kali Baba put the shila in a small bag and handed it to me, no charge. > > With Kali Baba there was NEVER any charge. > > > > Because Sri Hari-siddhi Kali Baba personally gave me Lord Vishnu, in > > Shalagram Sila murti, therefore I am eternally indebted to His > > Holiness. I hope you will see his photo because he was most > > extra-ordinary. > > > > BTW: The Shalagram he gave me is the best, most perfect water tumbled > > with perfect double-sided single chakra embedded in the 1" smooth > black > > egg-shaped stone. Amazing as you can see in the picture. > > > > Best rgds, > > Richard > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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