GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

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There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

Christianity and Judaism.

 

But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

assembly of hindu and other scholars.

 

He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

nightly I should say to be accurate.

 

Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

 

RR

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

In our day to day life, certainly the word "guilt" exists; and in strict religious terms (like I follow Jainism) - there are karmic / religious pursuits, if the "sakshi maan" feels about it. But in connonation, I am searching for the exact word defining it. Closest word I could think of - "dosha" felt at sub conscious level (saksh maan).

 

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

 

 

>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:37:48 -0000

>

> GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

> Christianity and Judaism.

>

> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>

> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>

> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>

> RR

[Guest guest]

II Hare Rama Krsna II

Dear RRji,

Do you think aatmaglaani or apraadhabodha is guilt?

Regards,

Divya

 

crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:

There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

Christianity and Judaism.

 

But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

assembly of hindu and other scholars.

 

He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

nightly I should say to be accurate.

 

Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

 

RR

 

 

 

 

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Is not apradh bodh is more on physical level; and guilt is more on sub conscious level (which "sakshi man" feels).

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

 

 

>

> varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:50:09 -0000

>

> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> Respected Ranjan ji,

>

> In the Hindu thought ' prayashchit' or repentance is done for a

> Guilt ; the closet Hindi word for it is ' aparadh bodh'.

>

> The concept of 'prayashchit' or repentance has been there in the

> mythological stories since ever.

>

> With naman to all gurujan,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb

> wrote:

>>

>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

>> Christianity and Judaism.

>>

>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage

> emphatically

>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this

> august

>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>>

>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true?

> In

>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is

> no

>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed

> in

>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>>

>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling

> of 'GUILT' in

>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>>

>> RR

>>

[Guest guest]

I would say APARAADH can be the closest word.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, could be. I am still searching for the word to connote the karmic binding from such a feeling.

 

Please call me by Prafulla.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

 

 

>

> varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:41:09 -0000

>

> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> Respected Garg saheb,

>

> Could 'glani' or 'atma glani'be close to what you have said?

>

> With naman to all gurujan,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Is not apradh bodh is more on physical level; and guilt is more on

> sub conscious level (which "sakshi man" feels).

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> varun_trvd

>>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:50:09 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>>>

>>> Respected Ranjan ji,

>>>

>>> In the Hindu thought ' prayashchit' or repentance is done for a

>>> Guilt ; the closet Hindi word for it is ' aparadh bodh'.

>>>

>>> The concept of 'prayashchit' or repentance has been there in the

>>> mythological stories since ever.

>>>

>>> With naman to all gurujan,

>>>

>>> Varun Trivedi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

>>>> Christianity and Judaism.

>>>>

>>>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage

>>> emphatically

>>>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this

>>> august

>>>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>>>>

>>>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

>>>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true?

>>> In

>>>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there

> is

>>> no

>>>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT,

> cashed

>>> in

>>>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

>>>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>>>>

>>>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling

>>> of 'GUILT' in

>>>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>>>>

>>>> RR

>>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

sakshi would mean witness, or the observer. But what is the word for

guilt?

 

RR

 

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> In our day to day life, certainly the word "guilt" exists; and in

strict religious terms (like I follow Jainism) - there are karmic /

religious pursuits, if the "sakshi maan" feels about it. But in

connonation, I am searching for the exact word defining it. Closest

word I could think of - "dosha" felt at sub conscious level (saksh maan).

>

>

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>

>

> >

> > rrgb

> > Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:37:48 -0000

> >

> > GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

> >

> > There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

> > Christianity and Judaism.

> >

> > But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

> > stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

> > assembly of hindu and other scholars.

> >

> > He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

> > sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

> > none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

> > specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

> > almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

> > nightly I should say to be accurate.

> >

> > Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

> > indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

> >

> > RR

>

[Guest guest]

I thought about that too, particularly atmaglani -- and it is

sometimes used in that connotation but really glani is closer to

sadness and despair than guilt. Apradh-bodh has more to do with the

sense of morality (morally right or morally wrong). Workable but not

quite as specific and direct as guilt.

 

RR

 

, Divya <touchbase_divya

wrote:

>

> II Hare Rama Krsna II

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> Do you think aatmaglaani or apraadhabodha is guilt?

>

> Regards,

> Divya

>

> crystal pages <rrgb wrote:

> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure

is in

> Christianity and Judaism.

>

> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>

> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>

> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

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I meant the word "dosh" at "sakshi man".

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

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>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:40:21 -0000

>

> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> sakshi would mean witness, or the observer. But what is the word for

> guilt?

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>

>> In our day to day life, certainly the word "guilt" exists; and in

> strict religious terms (like I follow Jainism) - there are karmic /

> religious pursuits, if the "sakshi maan" feels about it. But in

> connonation, I am searching for the exact word defining it. Closest

> word I could think of - "dosha" felt at sub conscious level (saksh maan).

>>

>>

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> rrgb

>>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:37:48 -0000

>>>

>>> GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>>>

>>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

>>> Christianity and Judaism.

>>>

>>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

>>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

>>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>>>

>>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

>>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

>>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

>>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

>>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

>>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>>>

>>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

>>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>>>

>>> RR

>>

[Guest guest]

Half slept mail notes from me ..it seems yesterday.

 

What I meant that - if there is dosha (sin at sakshi man bhava) - then this is the sakshi man got to go through the feelings - is guilt. Karmic binding and such guilt both can precede each other, depending upon the type of karmas.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The opposite of creativity is cynicism.

 

 

>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:45:07 -0000

>

> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> Prafulla,

>

> is the karmic bondage from the feeling or the feeling is due to

> karmic bondage :-)

>

> Pahaley kaun ayaa: andaa yaa choojaa ;-)

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, could be. I am still searching for the word to connote the

> karmic binding from such a feeling.

>>

>> Please call me by Prafulla.

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> varun_trvd

>>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:41:09 -0000

>>>

>>> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>>>

>>> Respected Garg saheb,

>>>

>>> Could 'glani' or 'atma glani'be close to what you have said?

>>>

>>> With naman to all gurujan,

>>>

>>> Varun Trivedi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Is not apradh bodh is more on physical level; and guilt is more

> on

>>> sub conscious level (which "sakshi man" feels).

>>>>

>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>>>

>>>> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> varun_trvd@

>>>>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:50:09 -0000

>>>>>

>>>>> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>>>>>

>>>>> Respected Ranjan ji,

>>>>>

>>>>> In the Hindu thought ' prayashchit' or repentance is done for a

>>>>> Guilt ; the closet Hindi word for it is ' aparadh bodh'.

>>>>>

>>>>> The concept of 'prayashchit' or repentance has been there in the

>>>>> mythological stories since ever.

>>>>>

>>>>> With naman to all gurujan,

>>>>>

>>>>> Varun Trivedi

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is

> in

>>>>>> Christianity and Judaism.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage

>>>>> emphatically

>>>>>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this

>>>>> august

>>>>>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

>>>>>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this

> true?

>>>>> In

>>>>>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there

>>> is

>>>>> no

>>>>>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT,

>>> cashed

>>>>> in

>>>>>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or

> maybe

>>>>>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling

>>>>> of 'GUILT' in

>>>>>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RR

>>>>>>

>>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

Please judge the word " AparadhBhavan(a)" .

regards

srinivas

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

I meant the word "dosh" at "sakshi man".

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The opposite of creativity is cynicism.

 

>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:40:21 -0000

>

> Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>

> sakshi would mean witness, or the observer. But what is the word for

> guilt?

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Ranjan ji

>>

>> In our day to day life, certainly the word "guilt" exists; and in

> strict religious terms (like I follow Jainism) - there are karmic /

> religious pursuits, if the "sakshi maan" feels about it. But in

> connonation, I am searching for the exact word defining it. Closest

> word I could think of - "dosha" felt at sub conscious level (saksh maan).

>>

>>

>>

>> regards / Prafulla Gang

>>

>> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

>>

>>

>>>

>>> rrgb

>>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:37:48 -0000

>>>

>>> GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

>>>

>>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

>>> Christianity and Judaism.

>>>

>>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage emphatically

>>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this august

>>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

>>>

>>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

>>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this true? In

>>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there is no

>>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT, cashed in

>>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

>>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

>>>

>>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling of 'GUILT' in

>>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

>>>

>>> RR

>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Did you mean:

 

Aparadhibhav?

 

hmmm!

 

I hope you see the difference! Now we are talking about the

individual -- where guilt exists! Even though it comes from a

societal, cohort conditioning!

 

RR

 

, srinivasa murthy adavi

<smadavi wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Please judge the word " AparadhBhavan(a)" .

> regards

> srinivas

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> I meant the word "dosh" at "sakshi man".

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> The opposite of creativity is cynicism.

>

> >

> > rrgb

> > Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:40:21 -0000

> >

> > Re: GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

> >

> > sakshi would mean witness, or the observer. But what is the word

for

> > guilt?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Ranjan ji

> >>

> >> In our day to day life, certainly the word "guilt" exists; and in

> > strict religious terms (like I follow Jainism) - there are

karmic /

> > religious pursuits, if the "sakshi maan" feels about it. But in

> > connonation, I am searching for the exact word defining it.

Closest

> > word I could think of - "dosha" felt at sub conscious level

(saksh maan).

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> >>

> >> If at first, the idea is not absurd, there is no hope for it.

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> rrgb@

> >>> Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:37:48 -0000

> >>>

> >>> GUILT: Serious and experienced posters ONLY!

> >>>

> >>> There is a concept of guilt in many old religions, it sure is in

> >>> Christianity and Judaism.

> >>>

> >>> But a scholar way back when I was barely out of teenage

emphatically

> >>> stated something that stays with me even today, so I ask this

august

> >>> assembly of hindu and other scholars.

> >>>

> >>> He claimed that there is no specific word for GUILT in hindi or

> >>> sanskrit or other indo-sanskrit derived languages. Is this

true? In

> >>> none of the north, south, east or west indian languages, there

is no

> >>> specific word for the globally-pervasive concept of GUILT,

cashed in

> >>> almost nightly by priests and stand-up-comedians daily? Or maybe

> >>> nightly I should say to be accurate.

> >>>

> >>> Was he wrong? Is there a word that describes the feeling

of 'GUILT' in

> >>> indian culture (and I am really going broad there, I realize).

> >>>

> >>> RR

> >>

>

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>

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