[vedic astrology] VadaSambhasha Vedic way to carry out discussions

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VadaSambhasha Vedic way to carry out discussions

 

In Vedic times one of the methods of obtaining knowledge was to

conduct discussions or to perform VadaSmbhasha. We see that with the

use of web this has become primary source of knowledge for many.

While putting forward our point of view on the groups one can take

the help of ancient science called VadaSambhasha.

 

Types of VadaSambhasha

 

There are two main types of VadaSambhasha.

 

1)Sandhaya Sambhasha

 

2) Vigruya Sambhasha

 

Sandhaya is originated from the word Sandhi that means to join or to

be friendly with. So this way of discussions are carried out in a

most friendly manner. The participants enjoy the discussions and

defeated person does not feel bad nor the winner feels proud of

winning. The main aim of such discussions is to enjoy the knowledge

or Gyana. Guru-Shishya parampara strictly follows this way of

carrying out discussions. But it is not always easy to carry out

discussions in this manner. So it is said that participants should

follow some protocol in carrying out discussions. We can say that

Sandhaya Sambhasha comes under influence of Guru and Budha.

 

Essentials of Sandhyaya Sambhasha

 

 

1)Participents should never be angry at each other,

2)should not be jealous or covetous,

3)should put their point of view confidently and without fear but

politely,

4)should be ready to spend time and space without mentioning that (s)

he is short of time,

5)should not fear that others will catch us in our own words,

6)should ask doubt with open mind with pure intention of seeking

knowledge,

7)should not use the terms meaning of which is not clear to you.

8)should carry out discussions in a very friendly manner.

9)should not write to please somebody and avoid sycophancy

 

Naturally, this was the most appriciated way of performing the

Sambhasha.In the vedic period people used to conduct such

Sambhasha.In modern times we have Seminars or to carry

out Sandhaya Sambhasha.

 

Vigraha Sambhasha

 

Vigraha means to fight or to detach. In this way of discussiosns two

people get engaged in the Sambhasha with the intention of winning

over each other. Usually people with oposite opinion will get in to

this kind of Sambhasha. Like, we see many a times discussions on the

topics like Charakaraka 7 or 8, Karakamsha in Rashi or Navmansha

chart, Ista Devata and its Rupa. Jyotisha is para or Apara vidya.

All these and many others are the topics which figure in these

discussions. Such type of discussions are Vigraha Sambhasha. If these

discussions are not carried out in Vedic way we see 'Ban'

and 'expulsions' from the groups. So it is very essential that we

should be aware of Vigraha rules. We can say that Vigraha Sambhasha

comes under the influence of Guru and Mangal.

 

Essentials of Vigraha Sambhasa

 

When two or more people get engaged in Vigraha Sambhasa there are

some points which they must keep in mind.

 

NigrahaSthana: Nigraha means limit and hence point of defeat. Both

the parties should agree on limit of the discussions and should be

aware of point of defeat. Usually,according to NayaShahstra of

Akshapad muni,there are 22 such points of defeat but as far as

Jyotish discussions are concerned,we may follow Acharya Charak who

has formulated five such points.

 

1)PratigynaHani: To prove a point when one goes way from the basic

premise put forward,this is Pratigyna(Basic premise)Hani(loss). Like

if one starts the discussions with the basic premise that there are 7

charakaraks and later on in the course of discussions accepts the 8

charakaraks. This is point of defeat beacuse of loss of basic premise.

 

2)Abhyanunya:If the other person charges you and instead of refuting

the charges levelled,you as well put same charges on the person then

this is a point of defeat. As when you put same charges you accept

the charges against you. Like in a discussion one puts a charge

that "you tend to follow Parashara only when it suits you". Now

instead of refuting this charge by proving that you always follow

Parashara,you as well put up the same charge on the other person then

you are defeated.

 

3)Hetwanter: Change of basic premise. The discussions might have

started on Charakaraka but in the middle of the discussions changing

it to Mahapurush yoga in Varga charts!

 

4) Arthantar: Change of meaning. While discussing a principle of

Jyotish,starting the discussions on Adhyatma or spirituality.

 

5) Ateetkala: Distrubing the sequence of arguments. After the event

happening,saying that I had predicted about the event in the private

discussions.

 

 

Errors comitted

 

While putting up the arguments one usually commits some errors.

 

1)Nuyna(Less): Telling less or producing insufficient information. Or

forgetting the crucial main points about the arguments. Like in the

arguments of Ista devata forgetting to clarify what is Ista

devata;devata that does Ista(in all forms) to jatak .

or the devata that is Ista to jataka. Or telling that jyotish accepts

creation based on PanchaMahaBhutas but not making clear how according

to Jyotish Bhutas are created like other Vedic Darshan clarify.

 

2)Adhika: In the course of the arguments giving same argumets again

and again or putting unwanted information and subjects.

 

3)Anarthak: Giving irrelevant examples and misguiding the course of

discussions. Like in the course of discussions telling the regional

stories and beliefs;

 

4)Virudha: Giving the opposite sentences for the accepted principles

of the discussions. Like when discussion is on malefic nature of Rahu

telling that Rahu is good & benefic and entire kundali can be based

on Rahu. Or when Benefic nature of Guru is being discussed telling

that Guru is bad or malefic.

 

Tricks adopted

 

Participents do which is usually termed as jugglery or Chala. There

are some types of juggleries that are taken into consideration in

VadaSambhasha.

 

VakChala or jugglery of sentences: If one says that Vakra graha is

powerful. Here the person may mean Vakra as state of the graha but

you can force him to consider as Mars as one of the name of Mars is

Vakra.

Or one can say that increase the strength of Dhatu indicated by

planet for good health. Now here Dhatu as well means Dosha in

Sanskrit and so forcing the sentence to mean increasing the strength

of Dosha!

Or if one says that there can be no better adviser than

jupiter/Brihaspati then telling that the same Brihaspati who was

adviser to Deva Indra is originator of Charvak darshan and Charvak

darshan is non-vedic or Avedic darshan. So should we accept

Brihaspati's Avedic darshan?

 

 

 

We can learn a lot by following Vedic VadaSambhasha and avoid the

discussions to deviate. So in the discussions one can take care of

these points and carry out the discussions and increase the knowledge

of one and all. It is not that people in this group do not follow

these rules. On the other hand almost everybody is more learned then

me. I just wanted to give one way to enjoy discussions on

advanced/basic topics carried out by big names.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

 

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

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