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DEFINING HINDUISM

Lawrence Brown (Omamerica (AT) aol (DOT) com)

Defining Hinduism

Mon, 22 Aug 05 21:15:39 IST

 

Regarding the disagreement with using the term Hinduism to describe

our faith:

 

The problem is that 300 million fellow Americans have already learned

our name as it is. And we only have so much ammunition: only so many

minutes on the stage to make our point. It seems fruitless to spend

our ammunition on a battle we cannot win. Better when someone asks if

there are any Hindus in the house to stand up. Then use our available

time and energy to define our ism in positive terms truthfully, as it

is.

 

No ancient faith had a name "until it came in contact with its

neighbors. Then you had the religion of the Egyptians the gods of the

Greeks, etc. No one called it Zeusism. Fair enough, but that was then

and this is now. We could refer to the religion of the

Indians "except there is more than one". So we are back to square

one.

 

The British came up with a name of convenience. OK, it was more

convenient to them than it is to us. History is like that. So

Hinduism it is. What is the ism about? That is up to us. If we say it

is a way of life, then ways of life are drying up all over the world.

If we are slow to define ourselves, the evangelical Christians will

be only too happy to do it for us.

 

We see ourselves as Atman on its way to becoming Brahman. We believe

we are souls evolving in a spiraling path to spiritual perfection.

For reasons known best to God, we are given bodies to do this work in

as many as we need. There is no Hell. The consequences of being slow

students is being given more life on earth. Until we graduate, we

stay in school. We worship a God beyond our powers of visualization,

so we reverence the forms of God we can apprehend for ourselves. We

condemn no one, provided their faith instructs them to be good and

civil neighbors. This enthusiastic curiosity is one of our greatest

charms.

 

Because we do not believe in sin but rather see most of our self-

inflicted misfortune as a consequence of ignorance, it is our

inclination to teach rather than to fight. So non-violence is the

foundation of our morality. We are taught to seek God in everything

and everything in God. So we behold the natural world less as

predators do than as fellow sojourners do. We are reminded to keep

our humility about us. We Namaste each self and bless them, and pray

that they will use their freedom to choose a path that benefits all

sentient beings. I am joy, says our god. And on a portion of that

joy, all other beings live. We are Hindus. Although we know all about

the destruction of matter in the universe, we do not worship an angry

God. We are not driven by fear but by a universal longing for a life

transformed by spirit rescued by love from its shortcomings.)

 

Lawrence W. Brown

omamerica (AT) aol (DOT) com

508-771-5096

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Lawrence Brown (Omamerica (AT) aol (DOT) com)

> Defining Hinduism

>

> The problem is that 300 million fellow

> Americans have already learned our name

> as it is. . . .

 

If a falsehood has been propagated --

whether among 300 million or the entire

population of the world -- then it must

be corrected by spreading the truth. It

is truth that wins, not the acceptance of

falsehood (even if "300 million Americans

have already learned it".)

 

Satyamevajayate!

 

Jai Maharaj, a Hindu born in Bharat

Om Shanti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The point here belowan important and valid one. Just today at work a

coworker mentioned she was reading the gita. She said she wanted to

know why all major religions support war as in the Gita, thus she is

reading it though she is not interested in religion. I could have

spent my time talking to her about the term Hindu during our 10 min

lunch break. instead I told her that if I walked in the library and

someone was committing violent acts on the public, I would be required

to act in a warlike manner. Otherwise I would be supporting that

violence. In this way I explained to her the context inc. all the

chances Krsna gave Duryodhana, the request for only 5 villages, the

refusal to even give a pinprick of land and the attempt to arrest

Krsna on His peace mission. As I spoke I could tell she was worried as

to whether I would begin a conversionary pitch so I had to be quick,

to the point etc.

Also I dont see being born in Bharat as some kind of proof or

validation of nobiity. Karma not Janma isnt? At the same time you say

you are Hindu but dont agree with the point of using Hindu.

Namaste

Vrndavan

 

 

"And we only have so much ammunition: only so many

minutes on the stage to make our point. It seems fruitless to spend

our ammunition on a battle we cannot win. Better when someone asks if

there are any Hindus in the house to stand up. Then use our available

time and energy to define our ism in positive terms truthfully, as it

is."

 

 

vediculture, Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote:

>

>

> > Lawrence Brown (Omamerica)

> > Defining Hinduism

> >

> > The problem is that 300 million fellow

> > Americans have already learned our name

> > as it is. . . .

>

> If a falsehood has been propagated --

> whether among 300 million or the entire

> population of the world -- then it must

> be corrected by spreading the truth. It

> is truth that wins, not the acceptance of

> falsehood (even if "300 million Americans

> have already learned it".)

>

> Satyamevajayate!

>

> Jai Maharaj, a Hindu born in Bharat

> Om Shanti

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaste,

I agree with all yr points except calling for & waiting for the

cops. i would call, but any chance i may have to protect an innocent

before the cops arrived, I would be dutybound to carry out. I could

not live with myself if someone died because I didnt act correctly.

All of this is dependant on immediate circumstances of course. only

real example I could give from my own experiance, as an adult,(as a

kid, I protected as many younger boys from trauma in Isckon gurukul

and befriended those already victimized) is regarding an incident

where some Sikhs were being harrased by some white Americans in

front of a SF niteclub. Of course the Sikhs were ready to fight

though outnumbered. having earlier befriended one of the Sikhs, I

felt I could not be a silent observor. I took a chance, got in the

middle space between the hostiles and managed to defuse the danger.

No cops and no victims of drunken violence either. I cant say what

would have happened if I didnt intervene. If my friend had been

attacked, as I stood there watching from across the street....what

shame I would have felt.

 

Also I mentioned the issue about being born in Bharat because a

majority of anti-vedic anti-hindu people I have met or been exposed

to have been born in Bharat. I do however agree that those born in

Bharat and raised within the Hindu/Vedic framework are advanced

Souls that have achieved one of the highest births available within

the Universe.

Jaya Bharat! Jaya Hanuman!

V

 

vediculture, Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote:

>

>

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker wrote:

> > The point here belowan important and valid

> > one. Just today at work a coworker mentioned

> > she was reading the gita. She said she wanted

> > to know why all major religions support war

> > as in the Gita, thus she is reading it though

> > she is not interested in religion.

> > I could have spent my time talking to her

> > about the term Hindu during our 10 min

> > lunch break.

>

> Why? She didn't bring up the term, did she?

>

> > instead I told her that if I walked in

> > the library and someone was committing

> > violent acts on the public, I would be

> > required to act in a warlike manner.

>

> Not necessarily. Calling the police is

> what society expects you to do first. Taking

> the law into your hands is not recommended.

> Now if the violent act was directed against

> you, then you may act in reasonable self-defense.

>

> > Otherwise I would be supporting that

> > violence.

>

> No, not really. You wouldn't be "supporting

> that violence" if you called the police, or

> acted in self-defense.

>

> > As I spoke I could tell she was worried as

> > to whether I would begin a conversionary pitch

> > so I had to be quick, to the point etc.

>

> Why so defensive?

>

> > Also I dont see being born in Bharat as some

> > kind of proof or validation of nobiity.

> > Karma not Janma isnt?

>

> The words are Karm and Janm. There is no "a"

> sound at the end of the words. But why such an

> inferiority complex? No claim of nobility or

> validation has been made. Being born in a culture

> and raised from childhood in it provides more

> immersion, more time for one to be exposed to that

> culture -- more experience with the principles of

> that culture and its spirituality (in my case, the

> Vedic and Hindu).

>

> > At the same time you say you are Hindu but dont

> > agree with the point of using Hindu. Namaste

> > Vrndavan

>

> I don't agree with someone's *opinion* about

> something. Being Hindu doesn't mean that you

> have to accept falsehoods or inaccuracies.

>

> Keep up the good work.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Jai Maharaj

> Om Shanti

>

> > "And we only have so much ammunition: only so many

> > minutes on the stage to make our point. It seems

> > fruitless to spend

> > our ammunition on a battle we cannot win. Better

> > when someone asks if

> > there are any Hindus in the house to stand up. Then

> > use our available

> > time and energy to define our ism in positive terms

> > truthfully, as it

> > is."

> >

> >

> > vediculture, Jyotishi

> > <jyotish2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Lawrence Brown (Omamerica@)

> > > > Defining Hinduism

> > > >

> > > > The problem is that 300 million fellow

> > > > Americans have already learned our name

> > > > as it is. . . .

> > >

> > > If a falsehood has been propagated --

> > > whether among 300 million or the entire

> > > population of the world -- then it must

> > > be corrected by spreading the truth. It

> > > is truth that wins, not the acceptance of

> > > falsehood (even if "300 million Americans

> > > have already learned it".)

> > >

> > > Satyamevajayate!

> > >

> > > Jai Maharaj, a Hindu born in Bharat

> > > Om Shanti

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > protection around

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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