[sacred objects] & specific markings

June 5, 2006

I have heard many opinions about these over the years, but do you kind prabhus regard the specific markings that are pictured on the Narmada lingam here to be SAIVITE TILAK?

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Pt Siva Prasad Tata <sptata > wrote:

Dear all,

I have received a lot of mails asking me to advise on how to know and

test real Rudrakshas, Saligramas and Valampuris etc. while buying

them. These are natural products and each one is different from the

other. Hence it is impossible to teach about the varieties and the

testing parameters. The fakers are getting smarter by the day and

using very good modern cutting, patching and colouring techniques.

Only the highly experienced people can tell the difference between a

genuine one and a fake one. Even the x-rays are of no use to you if

you don't know how and what to look for.

I can post a lot of technical data about these objects – like

"Saligrama is the glossy black fossiles of Ammonites which reveal the

imprint of ammonites formed 140 million years ago …, Valampuri Shankha

belongs to the species sinistral turbinella pyrum ….., Rudraksha beads

are Elaeocarpus Ganitrus Roxb sometimes also known as Elaeocarpus

Sphaericus, Utrasum bead tree of Elaeocarpaceae family….." etc. A lot

of pictures can also be posted and several scriptures can be quoted.

You can also type these names in the search engines and can find a lot

of information. But these will not help you in evaluating a rare

sacred object. That is something only an expert can do. So instead of

giving techno-religious info, I am giving a few basic buying

precautions you can follow – practical-commercial-legal info.

Lord Buddha gave the following advice:

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.

Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your

religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for

many generations.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees

with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all,

then accept it and live up to it."

No wonder HE was called The Enlightened One!

If this was the case 2000 years ago, today in the age of web frauds

you have to be a lot more careful.

Precaution #1: Tell the supplier you will get it tested by an expert

you know and if not found satisfactory he should agree to a return it

and money back guarantee.

Precaution # 2: Never get carried away by the looks, presentation and

reputation of a shop, website or its seller. One of the real big-name

jewelers in Delhi sells the worst quality gold – his 22 ct. gold is

invariably 20 or 21 ct.! If possible before buying ask someone who

knows to take a look at the product.

Precaution # 3: If possible post a picture of the product in this

forum. If anything wrong is spotted, quite a few alarm bells will

ring. Thanks to Richardji there are many people in this group who are

familiar with these holy objects.

Precaution #4: Ask for a proper bill/Invoice mentioning your name, the

product description and his signature.

Precaution # 5: Take a guarantee certificate with an attested

photograph of the product. The certificate should mention your name,

the product description and the seller's signature on the

affixed/printed photograph. The guarantee certificate should clearly

state: The description of the product, buyers name, bill/invoice

number & date, amount paid, that the product is genuine & un-tampered

and if found to be not as specified - money back guarantee. You can

see the certificate I issue with the valuable products I supply from

here > http://www.astrojyoti.com/productscertificte.htm and demand a

similar guarantee certificate.

The above precautions will at least act as a deterrent in most cases

and you do stand a fairly good chance of either getting the right

product or getting your money back.

These being the basics I am giving a few tips on buying the

Dakshinavarti Shankhas.

Insist on an industrial x-ray. Most of the big cities have testing

laboratories which have these metal x-ray machines. A real

Dakshinavarti looks very clean in an x-ray. See picture

http://www.astrojyoti.com/shankhatesting.htm

Also see how the fakes look very patchy and uneven in the x-ray

pictures from > http://www.astrojyoti.com/shankhaxrays2.htm . The

moment you see this kind of patchy x-ray be very careful. Don't get

carried away by the technical explanations they give about "Valampuri

has a lot of heavy deposits inside" etc. Just because a website is

reputed or because the supplier is highly qualified with a lot of

Shankha technology knowledge doesn't make him a trustworthy person.

Sometime ago a reputed supplier who told me PHD thesis type of stuff

about Valampuri in technical terms had my head spinning. Then he

quoted a very low price of Rs.1100/- per gram and made my head spin

the other way. He showed pictures of several Valampuris. I offered to

buy the lot on his terms paying more than Rs.2 million cash down. He

was ready. But when I insisted on his giving a guarantee certificate

as shown in my site, and especially when he got to know that instead

of depending on his patchy x-rays I can get better industrial x-raying

done here, he realized he can't fool me with his fakes and gave a

series of silly excuses and backed out.

In Delhi you can get Shankhas tested from:

Spectro analytical labs, E-41, Okhla Industrial Area Phase 2, New Delhi – 110020

Phone: (011) 26817949, 50, 51

Contact Kamal Mehta, GM

With best wishes

Pandit S.P.Tata

H-5/3, 3rd Floor

Malviya Nagar

New Delhi - 110017

Phone: 91-11-26680664 (Exclusive for incoming), 91-11-26673281,

Mobile: 9911119235.

Email to: sptata

Website: www.astrojyoti.com

You can contact me online 10 Am to 8 Pm IST with:

Messengers - the user ID is s_p_tata.

MSN Messenger - the user ID is s_p_tata (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

June 5, 2006

HARI OM.

I am new to this group, but from what i know about Narmada Linghams, they too carry marks of significance such as trIshuls, tripunda marks, and marks of sakthi. I have several with incredible marks such as the above and some picturing ancient Bharat, and Bharat in the near future without NAGALAND & PAKISTAN, but with a dot showing the sacred SHIVA DHAM of BHUBANESWAR where the LINGARAJ temple is located.

JANARADANA DASA

Rasul Redoy <rasulredoy > wrote: