Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world. To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India. One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So, soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 how can u sustain this verbal diorrhea? surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world. To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India. One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So, soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > how can u sustain this verbal diorrhea? ...... give him kaolin mixture or charcoal tablets. It will stop the diorrhea. Alternatively I would brew a very thick TEA [ till its bitter ] without any sugar and very important: NO MILK!. Works all the time. > > surya <dattapr2000 wrote: Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu > religion in India? > > In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every > religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. > Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or > Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms > of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only > the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in > all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are > criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why > don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the > first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity > at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why > Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or > Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in > Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. > Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? > Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and > Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is > there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve > the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is > appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro > level is very important than at the micro level because in India, > wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the > followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are > still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, > Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the > peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of > the world. > > To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested > in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine > is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the > human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of > various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all > religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the > rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. > Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the > Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the > universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Surya: You complain about personal attack when Kochu asked you a clarification. But apparently you feel free to dish it out but cannot eat it?? Here is your reply to my previous posting: "self-praise is considered as suicidal as per Shastras." (ref: message 22688). You drop in here amidst Shakthas, preaching monologues of incoherent philosophies, obviously alluding to donating money to one particular individual. When I pointed out that service to needy is a service to God, you conveniently ignored that and went on to attack me personally as "conceited." It is not that I care about what your opinion of me or about others who do not fall into your net of propaganda. But, I want to make it clear that no phishing will be allowed on this group. Just because we (among us) are discussing happy methods, topics and sometimes quibble among ourselves, it is our family (of Shakthas) and we do what every family does. You went on and insulted Shaktham in total by saying Love and Prayers are basically useless. You insulted several Shaktha Gurus who prescribe those to their Sishyas. You quote and twist the stories of Kannappa and Sabhari as Guru Dakshina - while they were out of pure love for their favorite Devathas. Some how you have made it look like they paid for their salvation to their Gurus, as if all Gurus rate the salvation of Sishyas by the thickness of their wallets rather than the spiritual attributes. Just go and read your own website which you are refering to in all your messages. Nothing but self praise (and confusionist philosophies). One has to just look at the main page to be sick of an individual morphed into several costumes and holy men. Speaking of Vivekananda as being recognized in India only after being recognized by foreigners. Again proves your ignorance. For someone like me, who had been educated in RKM institutions, yours words are more of a joke - if I had not mentioned it already. So instead of suffering from foot in the mouth disease, just cool it off. , "NMadasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz@> > wrote: > > > > how can u sustain this verbal diorrhea? > > > > ..... give him kaolin mixture or charcoal tablets. It will stop the > diorrhea. Alternatively I would brew a very thick TEA [ till its > bitter ] without any sugar and very important: NO MILK!. Works all > the time. > > > > > > > > > surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: Why did God express Himself in > different forms in a single Hindu > > religion in India? > > > > In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every > > religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. > > Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or > > Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed > forms > > of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is > only > > the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in > > all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are > > criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why > > don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by > the > > first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be > diversity > > at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why > > Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or > > Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in > > Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. > > Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? > > Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad > and > > Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is > > there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve > > the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is > > appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro > > level is very important than at the micro level because in India, > > wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the > > followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and > are > > still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, > > Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the > > peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace > of > > the world. > > > > To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first > tested > > in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the > medicine > > is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the > > human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of > > various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all > > religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the > > rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. > > Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the > > Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the > > universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic > is > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 I was taught that Hinduism worships God in both single form, and in multiple forms. Those Hindus who are attracted to God without form or individual characteristics will worship "Brahman" as the Supreme, and forgo images of human gods while putting up aniconic symbols (a flame, a jewel, etc.). The truest image of the One God is your reflection in the mirror every morning. -- Len/ Black Lotus sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: how can u sustain this verbal diorrhea? surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion. People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don't they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, "Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?" All right. Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world. The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc .The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world. To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine. The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. In fact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world. The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India. One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians. I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form. The nature of Vishnu is `Sattvam' i.e. soft nature. So, soft people like Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is `Tamas' i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different. The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 This is Surya here although a different one ... Well said ... I sometimes dont understand why so many people want to scratch the back of each other by wanting to show the greatness of all religions etc etc ... Just curious to know, have you ever experienced this feeling of oneness in urself? --- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote: I was taught that Hinduism worships God in both single form, and in multiple forms. Those Hindus who are attracted to God without form or individual characteristics will worship "Brahman" as the Supreme, and forgo images of human gods while putting up aniconic symbols (a flame, a jewel, etc.). The truest image of the One God is your reflection in the mirror every morning. -- Len/ Black Lotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 --- surya vishnu <surya_prakashvi wrote: > This is Surya here although a different one ... > Well said ... I sometimes dont understand why so many people want to scratch the back of each other by wanting to show the greatness of all religions etc etc ... > Just curious to know, have you ever experienced this feeling of oneness in urself? Advaita of Sankara says that the Lord and the human being become one and the same in the case of human incarnation. Example is Rama. In this case God pervades all over the human body. Visishta Advaita of Ramanuja says that the Lord is present in the heart of human being as in the case of human incarnation, for example Hanuman, who tore His heart and showed Rama in that. Dwaita of Madhvacharya says that the Lord is separate in the heaven and sends His servant to this earth as a messenger. For example, Balarama is the Adi Sesha who is the servant of Lord Vishnu in heaven and is the human incarnation. Adi Sankara's Advaita Philosophy: Advaita of Adi Sankara says that every human being is Brahman (the Lord). There is a figure of speech called "Roopaka" in which the object compared is identified with the original object. Ex: This man is tiger. This means that the man and the tiger are very much similar in qualities. So instead of telling the Lord is like human being it is said as the Lord is the human being (Jeeva is Brahman). In the third stage of the university level the human incarnation of the Lord is recognized and is differentiated from the other human beings by His internal form, which is His Special knowledge (Prajnanam Brahma). In this stage all the egoism and jealousy to the human form must have been removed. At this university level Sankara proved that He alone is Eswara. The water in a drop and the water in the ocean is one and the same. The water is Brahman. The definition of Brahman is confined to simple awareness. In such case every living being (Jeeva) is Brahman since every living being is having awareness. This is the qualitative similarity between water drop and the ocean. But if you see the quantitative aspect, the water drop is the living being and the ocean is Eswara. Sankara told not only that He is Brahman but He is also Siva who is Eswara (Sivoham). Therefore He swallowed the molten lead where as the disciples could not swallow it. Thus Sankara proved that any living being is Brahman but not Eswara. One should not misunderstand that Brahman (qualitative) and Eswara (Quantitative) are one and the same. In Advaita philosophy you are reaching the self which is only the intermediate station. Ofcourse you must attain the peace which gives you lot of strength so that you will withstand the suffering by sacrifice in the next half of the journey. Sankara stopped by preaching this intermediate station to all the people. When a few people reached this station, then He opened the further path to them only. He swallowed the molten lead and preached to the disciples that He alone is the Lord. They realized the self and reached the intermediate station called Brahman by the path of `Aham Brahmasmi' (I am Brahman). Brahman means simple awareness. The next half path is to reach Lord who is Eeswara. Peace is not the final fruit. Peace is only the intermediate fruit, which gives you the strength in the journey. The fruit given by the Lord is the final fruit, which are peace, bliss and all the eight super powers. If one takes a sleeping tablet, he can get peace during the sleep as well as after awakening. Detachment from the world gives you the peace (Brahman) but the fruit given by the Lord is to remain peaceful, blissful while living in this world and helping the real devotees with the help of the eight super powers (Asta Siddhis). The fruit given by the Lord will give you the real bliss i.e., the entertainment in the life game played by you in this world itself which is certainly far higher than the peace. Sivoham (I am Eeswara) as told by Sankara is the final goal and not 'Aham Brahmasmi'. Sankara lived in the world and did lot of work. He never sat idle thinking Aham Brahmasmi like the present Advaita Philosophers. Patanjali wrote Yoga Sutras and fixed Eeswara as the final goal. We remember Sankara today as the divine hero but not the other Advaita philosophers. Sankara sacrificed His mother and earning of money for the sake of the mission of the Lord. But the Advaita Philosophers sit in their houses and roll with their family bonds and simply say Aham Brahmasmi. One should become a divine hero like Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Swami Vivekananda etc.; they were dynamic doing the Karma Yoga, which was without any selfishness. Their Karma Yoga was the propagation of the divine knowledge, which is Jnana Yoga but today the Advaita Philosopher is doing Karma Yoga with selfishness for his family bonds only. What is the use of their Jnana Yoga? posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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