Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Hi Noel I agree that we are many, many years away from any kind of licensing for Ayurvedic practitioners, in the US or Canada - and thank GOD for that! In her new book, the "Dark Ages Ahead", author Jane Jacobs describes fiver pillars of society that are undergoing decline, and have been undergoing decline in the West, for some time - these include: 1. family 2. community 3. higher education 4. science 5. self policing by the learned professions while her thesis applies to the Western world, I think it is equally applicable to countries that are hungrily adapting the Western model to their own societies, such as India while it is not my intent to debate her entire thesis, for i think those of you that are perceptive enough will see demonstrable examples of decline with the first four, the last is a little more subtle according Jacobs, the last pillar, that of self-regulating professional associations, is under attack rather than have a community of peers establish the criteria for professional practice, ensuring the proper and up-to-date standards that are there to protect the profession and their clients, licensing can often achieve the opposite result - an external panel of non- professionals that have no expertise (i.e. politicians and bureaucrats) that establish laws for professional practice, but in doing so, create an inherent inflexibility within the practice of that profession (telling the professional what he/she can and cannot do), and with the security of being "licensed", can create stagnation within that profession as we see with other licensed professions such as modern medicine licensing is also a mechanism whereby a certain class of professionals seek to restrict the practice of apparently competing professionals, by saying they don't have the training or expertise to practice in reality, professionals that seek licensure, especially in the field of medicine, are really pawns of a larger corporate agenda that seeks to marginalize the field of complimentary and alternative medicine by playing one group against another, thereby fragmenting out the collective voice, which at its base, is supported by the grass-roots in ancient India, Ayurvedic physicians never needed to be licensed - and there were always those who were considered good and wise practitioners, and those that were not - back then, as now, the axiom was "buyer beware" of course, there is now a whole class of physicians that have gone through the college system in India, and i have to say i am not always impressed when compared to the gurukula-trained vaidyas i have met and studied with this list is a good representation of which i am talking about - when folks write in for advice, many Ayurvedic "doctors" write terse messages that consist of patented Ayurvedic "drugs" (often as a solicitation of their professional services) instead of truly helpful advice the seeks to address the root cause, something the person can actually use and understand - of course Dr. Bhate is one notable exception to this, a man who calls a herb a herb, and a food an food, and i thank him for all his insights as a authentic Ayurvedic vaidya, the term "vaidya" and "doctor" not being equal in my mind herbalist Roger Wicke at the Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute has written some very thoughtful essays on the subject of licensing, i suggest everyone who cares about this issue read: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr3.rights.html in my opinion, licensing is bargain with the devil best... todd On 4-Jun-06, at 7:09 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Message: 1 > Sat Jun 3, 2006 6:49 pm (PDT) > "Noel" sattva (AT) pacbell (DOT) net > Proposal to license Ayurveda Practitioners in the US > > > It took many, many years for the licensing of Chiropractics; and > Ayurveda is > considered less main stream in the USA. I know it will be a > necessary step > in the future, but I doubt if I will see it in my life it. Caldecott todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think I have to agree with you. My doctor will not make a single move or take a chance of being wrong whatsoever about treatment if the tests are in conflict or goddess forbid, they do not show exactly what the patient's experience is telling her. The ideas of a "standard of care" while great in theory means that that is the lowest common denominator and if your ailment doesn't exactly fit the template, you either get no care at all or you get grafted on to whatever is close to your lab results or what the doc sees as the most important symptom, not necessarily what is really bothering you. I think ayurveda's great strength is its intelligent system of diagnosis that is patient-based, not test based. I would like to see that continue. Also, the licensing of such will allow and even encourage such obscene relationships of self interest as exist with our docs and drug companies and FDA. I prefer to take my chances with the system as it is. From what I have read, licensing of medical doctors in America in the first place was just an excuse to get rid of midwives. Darla On 6/4/06, Todd Caldecott <todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) com> wrote: > I agree that we are many, many years away from any kind of licensing > for Ayurvedic practitioners, in the US or Canada - and thank GOD for > that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Very impressive article by Roger Wicke, Thanks for your input Todd. Noel Gilbert Counselor Body, Mind & Soul LifeStyle Counselor Ayurveda - Herbalism Nutrition - Medical Astrology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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