before Lahiri which one? RRji-Ashutoshji

June 3, 2006

Dear RR ji and Ashutoshji,

I second both your opinions. Aynamsha is something like your Aorta. You can have a bypass but you cannot fiddle with your Aorta.

All our Jyotish principles depend heavily on time proven Ayanamsha Value (albeit there is a small difference between Lahiri, Raman, etc) but mota moti all have proven their worth.

As Ashutoshji put it rightly about transits, there cannot be a "unlearn all " and Newly learn All thing.

Since with any drastc change as in recently proposed value by a member, everything will change .Now how am I going to justify my 57 years of life's happenings according to established tenets in new environment?

As RR ji put it, we are dealing with a major major major subject and it needs a lot of experimentation/discussion/proving before we can even think of using it .

RRji is wedded to Astrology, Ashutoshji is living astrology and I am Pujafying astrology.

Mujhe Tum se kuchha bhi na chhahiye, Mujhe mere Ayanamsh se jod do (2)

Tatvam-Asi

crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:

Dear Ashutoshji,

Absolutely! I was not recommending that one should fiddle around with

ayanamsha on a whim. Particularly if ayanamsha is the only factor one

is experimenting with (and experimenting should only be done in a

study/amateur/hobby setting and not in a professional setting or

where -Asia serious reading is concerned, because it could mislead to

both the client and astrologer). Having said that, ayanamsha also

interacts with other factors such as parallax correction for moon,

and the duration of the dasha year etc. The interplay is complex and

again it should not be dabbled into carelessly.

RR

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh> wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> I truly understand and accept what you said.

>

> But, A change in practiced ayanamsa can influence so many

factors. like the dashas, the transits, the basic planetary positions

and also the numerous concepts of astrology which one has developed

and discovered after practical experiences in reading horoscopes.

>

> In planetary calculations where even true or mean rahu

calculations can make a lot of differences in the personality

analysis and predictions of the native, a change in ayanamsa cannot

be done so randomly.

>

> It is easier for those who are still in basic learning

process, but for a person like me who studies daily and hourly

transits, it is not.

>

> It is really like a marriage for me. I am not a rigid

orthodox astrologer, but any new ayanamsa should prove to be logical

and better than the already practised one.

>

> I am not married to astrology, but I live it. It is a way

of life for me and my only guide and teacher.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> crystal pages

>

> Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:33

> Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2

>

> Dear Ashutoshji,

>

> I must be honest! For me it is a lifelong marriage with jyotish!

>

> Ayanamsha is a mutual agreement and not a lifelong contract that

is a

> make or break in *my* marriage!

>

> I am just being very honest and candid!

>

> I hope you can understand and accept that

>

> Warmest regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Very wise words. I too believe in a

sincere

> marriage. Once the partner-search and match-makings are over, one

> should be devoted to the chosen partner (ayanamsa) only.

Thanks!!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > crystal pages

> >

> > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 12:07

> > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2

> >

> > Dear Ashutosh ji

> >

> > I have stopped arguing about ayanamsha around 1975, which

> according

> > to Mr. Tarun Chopra (who expressedly is obviously confused

and

> still

> > wondering about my gender!) was when I was 3 years old!

> >

> > That is unreal, of course but I would not waste the time of

an

> astute

> > pragmatist and a real practical astrologer like you with

that :-P

> >

> > I have nothing against any ayanamsha really -- let me just

say

> this:

> > Being with an ayanamsha is like a sincere marriage and even

when

> > there are divorces for reasons other than hate, or loss of

love,

> one

> > feels differently about marriages and divorces as opposed to

> those

> > who part in anger! I belong to the former group described!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > >

> > > The earth's tilt on its axis, the

Ayana,

> is

> > the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the

difference

> > between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana)

planetary

> > calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the

> > astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the

> > government of India.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41

> > > Re: before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2

> > >

> > > Dear Satish ji,

> > >

> > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his

ayanamsha

> > (which he

> > > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star

Chitra

> or

> > > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar

> > > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar

> > ayanamsha.

> > > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji

Maharaj

> did

> > not

> > > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated

that

> it

> > was

> > > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing

> panchangs

> > > followed by him). All this has been written with more

> interesting

> > > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier

posts,

> etc.

> > >

> > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave

us,

> > Lahiri's

> > > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related

> astronomy is

> > the

> > > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were

based

> on

> > > mathematical calculations with modern terms and

corrections

> given

> > by

> > > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or

> > thereabouts

> > > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few

rare

> > > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly,

> others

> > were

> > > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'.

Publishing

> just

> > > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not

do,

> any

> > > more!

> > >

> > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri.

> > >

> > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas

> being

> > like

> > > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you,

yours

> > would

> > > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work

for

> me

> > > anymore <LOL>

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "R Satish"

> > <rsatish1942@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my

> > experience

> > > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called

> Kotipalli,on

> > the

> > > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.

> > > >

> > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which

trains

> > Hindu

> > > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is

residential

> > school.

> > > >

> > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned

to

> him

> > about

> > > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang

and

> > Lahiri's

> > > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed

to

> the

> > then

> > > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated

there

> is a

> > > > difference of" one pada",between the local

panchang.Hence a

> > > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had

gone

> to

> > him

> > > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even

in my

> > case,

> > > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance

of

> > Chandra

> > > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.

> > > >

> > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to

one's

> > > experience.

> > > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of

> astrology.

> > > >

> > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the'

> stalwarts' .

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly

and

> > indirectly

> > > > with many in person and in the groups like these the

most

> > > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K.

> > Ashwattappa,

> > > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it

was

> > > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar

person,

> and so

> > for

> > > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the

> > difference

> > > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec

and

> > MAJORITY

> > > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous

of

> him.

> > > > >

> > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt

he

> must

> > try

> > > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases

> Rahu

> > Dasa

> > > or

> > > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their

> earlier

> > part

> > > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or

Sukra

> > periods

> > > that

> > > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait

til

> then

> > end

> > > of

> > > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place

can

> give

> > at

> > > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF

MNEXT

> GURU S

> > > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore

> Maharaja's

> > > > asthana Jyotishis for generations.

> > > > >

> > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET

GOOD

> > RESULTS

> > > it

> > > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we

want

> the

> > > subject

> > > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try,

it is

> > > possible

> > > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother

left

> to

> > ones

> > > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we

know

> we

> > ar

> > > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued

the

> > > traditional

> > > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have

> acknowledged

> > as

> > > the

> > > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.

> > > > >

> > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear

> > prashant ji

> > > > >

> > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge

from

> > your

> > > > three

> > > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the

> founding

> > > > members

> > > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for

amateurs.

> > > > >

> > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several

years

> and

> > > > sometimes

> > > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own.

however,

> after

> > your

> > > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am

> getting

> > the

> > > > charts,

> > > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately.

> unfortunately,

> > these

> > > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant

Kumar

> G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Tarun

> > > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's

in

> vouge

> > > prior

> > > > to

> > > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is

like a

> > judge

> > > who

> > > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a

verdit.

> HIS

> > OWN.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter

claims to

> > deal

> > > with

> > > > > >

> > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more

a

> tamil

> > > > centric

> > > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on

their

> EQ

> > [ego

> > > > > quotient]

> > > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya

> panchang

> > no

> > > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was

made

> by

> > one

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name

so no

> way

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram,

> Srirangam,

> > > Tenkasi

> > > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam

[or

> snake

> > > > > calander] quite different from others. and say

could

> not

> > > agree

> > > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in

> India

> > agree?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major

> planets

> > at

> > > > > different months variation, eclipses and all

others in

> > chaos.

> > > no

> > > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or

> verifiable

> > one

> > > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical

> principles

> > at

> > > > least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of

RR

> here

> > on

> > > > > storry telling these are true ones though

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT

WAS

> IN

> > LONDON

> > > > or

> > > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case

of

> > Iyangars

> > > a

> > > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2

groups

> in

> > them

> > > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in

a

> temple

> > > > function

> > > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple

elephant's

> > > forehaead

> > > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark

> > > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y

with a

> > middle

> > > > line

> > > > > in red]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and

> finally

> > went

> > > > to

> > > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you

can

> > never

> > > say

> > > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our

> > calander

> > > but

> > > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see

the

> same

> > > Moon's

> > > > > crecent on a different days and have a different

> holiday

> > the

> > > > state

> > > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and

former

> CM. Ms

> > > JJ,

> > > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally

the

> > other

> > > one

> > > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other

> directly.

> > > their

> > > > mud

> > > > > slinging is of unique depths.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in

calcutta

> but

> > > since

> > > > > varanasi was key centre for

> > > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and

> studied

> > as

> > > > par

> > > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what

> panchang

> > was

> > > > used

> > > > > before lahiri placed his

> > > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations

used

> while

> > > > making

> > > > > chart in ancient times.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tarun

> > > > > > www.thevinayak.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in

> Calcutta

> > and

> > > not

> > > > > Varanasi!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference

> > longitudinally or

> > > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of

> > journey, if

> > > I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or

Sankatmochan

> or

> > > Birla

> > > > > temple and

> > > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> ~~Tarun~~

> > > > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to

me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob..

if

> i

> > use

> > > > raman

> > > > > ayanamsa

> > > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months.

> > > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his

> location

> > was

> > > > much

> > > > > near

> > > > > > > to equator in comparison to

> > > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave

his

> > > > > calculations) so

> > > > > > > the diff is easily expected.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983

> > > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am

> > > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th

and

> one

> > > shows

> > > > > rahu in

> > > > > > > 9th .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my

chart

> > changes

> > > > and

> > > > > if i

> > > > > > > consider true node then too my

> > > > > > > > chart changes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not

> > > matching .because

> > > > > venus and

> > > > > > > ketu dont give much better

> > > > > > > > results as she is descibing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks and regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tarun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tarun ji,

> > > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as

> Varun

> > last

> > > > time!>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation

indeed,

> > because

> > > > ketu

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3

> degrees

> > apart

> > > if

> > > > > using

> > > > > > > Raman

> > > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run

into

> > another

> > > > > conundrum!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and

venus

> are

> > in

> > > same

> > > > > sign and

> > > > > > > > > house (9th)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the

two

> are

> > in

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > signs :-

> > > > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart

that

> > brings

> > > us

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > yet

> > > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon

yaa

> > udhar

> > > > jaaoon -

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > kidhar

> > > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not

react

> > strongly

> > > and

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you

> utilize

> > > true

> > > > > nodes?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean

vs

> true

> > > nodes,

> > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all

> engaged

> > for

> > > > > lifetimes?

> > > > > > > How

> > > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few

> > sincerely

> > > > > interested

> > > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And

yet

> some

> > > would

> > > > > rather

> > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that

do

> not

> > exists

> > > > but

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > lie in

> > > > > > > > > their (mis)perception!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > ~~Tarun~~

> > > > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hii ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is

strong.

> > > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which

angle

> you

> > find

> > > > venus

> > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > combination in his chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is

aspecting

> lagna

> > > even

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > worst in

> > > > > > > > > 7th house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is

commencing

> which

> > is

> > > > lord

> > > > > 3rd and

> > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is

in

> his

> > > chart.

> > > > > and that

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but

> > > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects

are

> > null.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in

his

> > > chart.as

> > > > > mars in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do

> > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and

that

> > will

> > > > surely

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > him to

> > > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also

guide my

> > answers

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of

5th

> > mars

> > > and

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > jupiter as

> > > > > > > > > per lal kitab.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tarun.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > his chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981

> > > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08

> > > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and

with

> god

> > > > blessings

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got

> > attracted

> > > > > towards him

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age

> where

> > any

> > > boy

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > easily

> > > > > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > gf.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have

a

> love

> > > > > marriage,but our

> > > > > > > > > guruji

> > > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and

> jupiter

> > in

> > > 7th

> > > > > wont

> > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love

marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht

too

> > very

> > > good

> > > > > one, u

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many

world

> > > happening

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > before

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl

trade

> towers

> > > > > crashing,

> > > > > > > killing

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

,

> > > ~~Tarun~~

> > > > > > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hii,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this

> > combination

> > > > > often shows

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > described things.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht

other

> > > astrologers

> > > > can

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > bye

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > === message truncated ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > > > http://in.messenger.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

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