Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear RR , I share the same on BVR, KNR sure more of BVR and his contemperaries too like M RAMAKRISHNA BHATT, V SUBRAMANYA SHASTRY did a lot of great work in brinng into English a lot of treasre which was the preseve of Sanskrit knowing alone Even N N krishna Rao [a Malyalee but having studied in Warrangal took an Andhra RAO to his name did a lot of sanskrit , Telugu works in English and dedicated them to Swami Sivananda. he was also using Ramans, his Sishya my Guru K SUBBANNA from Bangalore, who himself is a 4 generation astrologer of the Mysore Maharaja DARBAR did use REVATHI PAKSHA or Raman which is close to Surya Siddhanta. Surya Siddhanta as we know was propogated. streamlined by Sripathi. KNR techniques r good and I USE THEM with great effect in RAMANS ayananmsa and did sharpen what he suggested on birth of children. I have come close to a 1 min to within the lagna on the Birth Lagna, star of many children even in this group before hand. KNR did suggest and allowed a 2-3 day error in birth forecasts. but when he said the birth star of a child's will be the 2-3 stars before or after the parents and or the trines of it, it brings makes lot as we have 27 only to deal with I FOUND stree darga in the matching of chart defeated in many marriages that is it is recomended to marry some one out of min 13 stars from each other. I find in current marriages to be with in not outisde 13, so the break ups, disharmony as by products. BUT the children born to them will also be within the stree dheerga range is my finding over the past 25 yrs. and the Dasa-BHUKI-ANTARA one of the two will fall in eliminating the triens KNR suggested. u will get the right star. max 1 day off. may be can expand it later. crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: Kumarji, In my personal journey as a jyotish student -- without BV Raman I would have been lost. Lost to jyotish and jyotish would have been lost to me. I would say that the latter would be the bigger loss, to me personally! Without BVR, and his books that I received at the perfect time in my life, I would not be here blabbing like I do to the chagrin of many b ut would be one of the silent majority or the 4900 others! I hope it does not remove me from the club if I say that I am enamoured and simply in awe with K.N Rao with! If you bring me in the presence of BV Raman and KN Rao, I will touch the feet of both of these Great Jyotishis, Raman ji first though and a bit longer -- simply because without BVR -- I would not be here and withour KNR, I would not be fighting so hard! NOne of them would recognize me as their student but I recognize both these doyens as my gurus! It is possilble to do that -- if you trust me! Ranjan Considering that we are both closer to using Raman ayanamsha, I am just 33 minutes away from Raman towards Lahiri (87-33 = 54 minutes nominally away from Lahiri)-- you email doe not surprise me at all. I do not use the solar year but savan though... :-( , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar> wrote: > > RR Ji, > > I have also said close to waht u said on the major contributionf oh Lahiri is the standardisation at least fo Hindu calander unlike Islam, i sno mean achievemtn esp with the odds he was up against. esp th snakes panchangams > > and now all we hat to do is work on the BASE LINE which is Lahiris +/- xx ded xx mi sssec say raman 1 Deg 26 min 26 sec. Krishnnamurthy 0 deg 0 min 7' les to Lahiri. > > And is also nice that you did find some matter to look at and appriciate as well apart from content the analagy, this spirit I also felt was needed when we did discuss Guru, becasue we do wrtie with a few points, medtods, quotes and do expect them also to be commented good or bad no problem and any suppliments or deletins we will like to be correced as we are always learning. weleanr till we pass out of this world. > > And I always believe the traditions laid before us are elastic and not plastic, to accept any modifications of the rules with the times it is applied without over ruling or destroying the original spirit of the subject, > > crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: Dear Satish ji, > > Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha (which he > never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra or > Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar > misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar ayanamsha. > Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj did not > calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that it was > according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing panchangs > followed by him). All this has been written with more interesting > similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, etc. > > Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, Lahiri's > primary contribution to the field of jyotish related astronomy is the > bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based on > mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections given by > astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or thereabouts > the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare > panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, others were > forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing just > anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, any > more! > > That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri. > > Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas being like > vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours would > not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for me > anymore <LOL> > > RR > > > , "R Satish" <rsatish1942@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my experience > > with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on the > > banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt. > > > > This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains Hindu > > Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential school. > > > > When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him about > > the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and Lahiri's > > ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the then > > govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a > > difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a > > differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to him > > to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my case, > > there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of Chandra > > dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference. > > > > As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's > experience. > > Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology. > > > > This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' . > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > > > > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and indirectly > > with many in person and in the groups like these the most > > remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. Ashwattappa, > > who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was > > fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so for > > his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the difference > > between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and MAJORITY > > HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him. > > > > > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must try > > it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu Dasa > or > > Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier part > > once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra periods > that > > gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then end > of > > the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give at > > start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S > > SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's > > asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > > > > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD RESULTS > it > > is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the > subject > > to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is > possible > > they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to ones > > intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we ar > > einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the > traditional > > ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged as > the > > genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS. > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant ji > > > > > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your > > three > > > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding > > members > > > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > > > > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and > > sometimes > > > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your > > > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the > > charts, > > > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these > > > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Tarun > > > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge > prior > > to > > > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge > who > > > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN. > > > > > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal > with > > > > > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil > > centric > > > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego > > > quotient] > > > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no > > > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one > in > > the > > > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you > > can > > > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, > Tenkasi > > > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake > > > calander] quite different from others. and say could not > agree > > > comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > > > > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at > > > different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos. > no > > > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one > > > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at > > least. > > > > > > > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on > > > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON > > or > > > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars > a > > > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them > > > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple > > function > > > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's > forehaead > > > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle > > line > > > in red] > > > > > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went > > to > > > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never > say > > > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander > but > > > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same > Moon's > > > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the > > state > > > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms > JJ, > > > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other > one > > > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > their > > mud > > > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but > since > > > varanasi was key centre for > > > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as > > par > > > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was > > used > > > before lahiri placed his > > > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while > > making > > > chart in ancient times. > > > > > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and > not > > > Varanasi! > > > > > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if > I > > > remember > > > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or > Birla > > > temple and > > > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use > > raman > > > ayanamsa > > > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was > > much > > > near > > > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > > > calculations) so > > > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one > shows > > > rahu in > > > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes > > and > > > if i > > > > > consider true node then too my > > > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not > matching .because > > > venus and > > > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last > > time!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because > > ketu > > > and > > > > > venus > > > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart > if > > > using > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another > > > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in > same > > > sign and > > > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in > > > different > > > > > signs :- > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings > us > > > against > > > > > yet > > > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar > > jaaoon - > > > - > > > > > kidhar > > > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly > and > > > comment > > > > > on > > > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize > true > > > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true > nodes, > > > isn't > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for > > > lifetimes? > > > > > How > > > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely > > > interested > > > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some > would > > > rather > > > > > keep > > > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists > > but > > > only > > > > > lie in > > > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find > > venus > > > ketu > > > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna > even > > > being > > > > > worst in > > > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is > > lord > > > 3rd and > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his > chart. > > > and that > > > > > too > > > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his > chart.as > > > mars in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will > > surely > > > make > > > > > him to > > > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars > and > > 7th > > > > > jupiter as > > > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god > > blessings > > > even > > > > > being > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted > > > towards him > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any > boy > > > can > > > > > easily > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love > > > marriage,but our > > > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in > 7th > > > wont > > > > > allow > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very > good > > > one, u > > > > > can > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world > happening > > > much > > > > > before > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers > > > crashing, > > > > > killing > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > ~~Tarun~~ > > > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination > > > often shows > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other > astrologers > > can > > > find > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye Prashantkumar G B -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group but off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone. Please fix times for this in advance -*- 09840051861 Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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