Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 Lastest report is "put the poison in the milk" ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- 11/11 8:43 PM Received: 11/11 3:01 PM COM: Premarnava HKS, Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se E Temple Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: GBC Discussions, GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: (GBC) Deputies, Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: (Temple) Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: Free Forum, Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: Global Free Forum, Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: WWW-COM, WWW-COM (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se COM: Balavanta (das) ACBSP, Balavanta.ACBSP (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se [Text 893628 from COM] FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was allegedly poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all ISKCON devotees: On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated November 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta Archives, there is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some people have interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Balavanta was asked to investigate this matter. In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the tape recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the following is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or 2. "Lets now poison him and go." We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that study as available. Balavanta das ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- Dear Isa das Right if mercury contains products are not prepared properly,can be toxic & harmful to tissues.Ayurveda says mercury products can not use more than two weeks with adjuants.Makardhwaj is ok for weak heart but not kidney. Thanks Anil om: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net (Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha) Reply-to: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net To: WLG (AT) aol (DOT) com This product is not good for heart & kidney problems. If you have no diabetes you can use survana vasant malti. We have this pills ($2/pill). Yes makardhwaj has these ingredients. ============================= oes anyone recollect what medication Srila Prabhupada was taking during the Mayapur festival in 1977? Please contact addresses at top of page. VNN has learned that Adi Keshava (Swami) was collecting money from devotees for Srila Prabhupada's medicine (Gold for Makardhwaj) during the Mayapur festival in 1977. If any devotees can confirm this please contact VNN or Please contact addresses at top of page. ------ 11/06/97 Independent Vaishnava Council Forming USA (VNN) - An Independent Vaishnava Council is forming headed by Balavanta das, former chairman of the GBC, to investigate circumstances surrounding Srila Prabhupada's health care in 1977. Isa das and a number of other devotees are joining the council. Isa das is currently sending out sets of tapes to all parties for examination. Vaishnavas that have volunteered to participate are: Balavanta das, Isa das, Naveen Krsna das, Bir Krsna Swami, Jagajivan das, Citrakara das, Madhava Ashraya das. VNN has received several statements from devotees regarding the medical care of Srila Prabhupada in 1977: ------ 11/05/97 Statement by Citrakara Das Citrakara das (Dr. Hans-Heinrich Rhyner, MD in Alternative Medicine, Yoga Expert, Ayurveda Physician and Philosopher) is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. His Seva Ayurveda Clinic in Bangalore - India , was featured on VNN (story# 1036). Statement: I have discussed the matter at length with Abhirama Prabhu who was Srila Prabhupada's nurse. From the diagnosis that was taken at London, it appears that the causes of Srila Prabupada's most serious condition was clearly not due to heavy metal poisoning but due to a prolonged chronic condition. My question would rather be, why this condition was not properly taken care of much earlier. It would have certainly made Srila Prabhupada's quality of life much better and kept him alive 10 more years. Makardhwaj is a mercurial compound that can certainly lead to heavy side effects as the Vaidyas today are hardly qualified to purify the metal and render it non-toxic. I strictly never ever use any compounds containing Makardhwaj or other heavy metals such as lead and do not recommend it's use to any of our students. These compounds (if properly done) compare to modern corticosteroids and have like them heavy side effects.The idea is to better have side effects then loosing the patient. If the patient survives - the side effects will be taken care of. But then, in his extremely weakend condition unporperly purified Makardhwaj could have certainly contributed to the final blow. It is also clear that our ignorance in one way or the other has killed our Guru Maharaja. I would be prepared to be on the panel and make my contribution, but travelling out of Bangalore would be rather difficult as from December I have to attend to my patients here. Hare Krishna YS Citrakara dasa ------ Incriminating Whisper Found On "Poison Tapes" ------ USA (VNN) - USA (VNN) - VNN has received the following bulletin which was also sent to several GBC members and COM forums: FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was allegedly poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all ISKCON devotees: On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated November 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta Archives, there is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some people have interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Balavanta was asked to investigate this matter. In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the tape recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the following is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or 2. "Lets now poison him and go." We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that study as available. Balavanta das (end quote) Above section in Quicktime Sound File (325 kb) Balavanta das has confirmed this report and says that the Bhaktivedanta Archives also have confirmed the whisper on their copies of the tape. ------ 11/05/97 Statement by Abhirama Das I have only recently become aware of the incredible theories about the so called poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, being circulated by some poorly informed devotees. As you may know I acted as Srila Pabhupada's nurse and assistant secretary from 25th July through 16th October of 1977, and was therefore in the best position to evaluate the factors influencing his health during this time. I kept a diary which often documented his physical condition, food intakes, and discomforts. I also was the primary player when he was taken to hospital in Watford England during his last stay at the Manor. I convinced his divine grace to go to hospital, accompanied him there, negotiated with the surgeon not to give general anesthetics and intravenous feeding (as was the policy), provided most of the post operative care to Srila Prabhupada etc. I give this background to emphasize not only my intimate role in his physical care, but also to let you know that this same surgeon, Dr. McIrving, made a very clear and definitive diagnosis of Srila Prabhupada's condition, namely that he, 1) had, due to diabetes (and dropsy) suffered swelling which affected the flow in his urinary tract over many years 2) That he had since birth a slightly constricted urethra which further reduced the urinary flow. (This was the reason for surgery and gave a great deal of relief to Srila Prabhupada) 3) The combination of these two major factors had put a constant and harmful back pressure on his kidneys, which along with a general deterioration due to age had inflicted serious renal damage. (Srila Prabhupada complained to me that he had difficulty urinating and finally was blocked completely leading to this surgery. 4) The kidney failure would naturally cause an increase in uric acid in his system, which would probably affect digestion and appetite. Both being prominent symptoms in Srila Pabhupada's condition. 5) The loss of digestion and appetite led to malnutrition which caused an already aged and intensely taxed system to go into a total collapse. The above is, I believe, an accurate account of the diagnosis of the doctors who examined Srila Prabhupada at Peace Memorial Hospital on 8th September of 1977, and all of my/our observations prior and subsequent to this generally confirmed this diagnosis. When Srila Prabhupada first arrived at the hospital, they had refused to treat his urethra constriction unless he was totally hooked up to intravenous feeding and any other life support systems they may need to employ. Srila Prabhupada had warned me many times that he did not want to die in a hospital and I had convinced him to visit on a promise that he would receive only minor surgery to open the urethra ("some minor plumbing work" as I described it to him). I had to use considerably persuasive arguments to convince the surgeon to risk an operation on someone he said was nearly dead, without all the support systems required by hospital policy. In making my (magnum opus) arguments to the doctor, I pleaded that Srila Prabhupada wanted only enough relief to be able to travel back to his home (Vrindavan) to die as he wished. I challenged the doctors that "if he submits to all of your treatments, how much time can you extend his life?" They answered that he was so far deteriorated at that point they could hardly understand how he was living at all; and they could not even propose adding three more months to his life with all of their medical interventions employed. >From this point forward I/we knew that the exoteric indications were completely negative. Of course we never stopped hoping against hope that the esoteric reality would alter the future that we all so greatly dreaded. In time we brought him to Bombay and back to Vrindavan, for what had to become the greatest tragedy of our life and simultaneously another glorious event in his illustrious life; namely his departure. As his nurse I had been instructed by him to "never leave my side day or night" and had spent most days in 24 hour contact with him. I slept holding his hand, I bathed, dressed, fed and carried him. In short, I am a credible witness. I left his direct physical service under circumstances which may shed additional light on the issue. I have always been very goal driven and able to focus intently on the desired objective, often to an extreme. As his nurse I saw only one acceptable result, and that was improvement of his health and continuation of his life. No other possibility was tenable in my mind. One day in mid October, I noticed some coolies delivering salt bags and a stretcher, to the back porch of Srila Prabhupada's house. As preparations for a funeral at this stage would have been an unthinkably offensive act, I guessed that only Srila Prabhupada himself could have dared to request it. My inquiries confirmed my suspicions, and it was then that I finally came to terms with the fact the he (Srila Prabhupada) had made an irrevocable decision to leave this world soon. Again, as I had become a near fanatic to maintain his physical condition, I felt an overwhelming sense of defeat, hopelessness and could not adjust to this new paradigm (due to spiritual immaturity). I therefore asked Srila Prabhupada, if I could be relieved of my duties, in favor of Satadanya and Bhavananda who were by now fully attending to him with equal or greater skill. My assessment related to the accusations of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned are: 1) Srila Prabhupada's exoteric conditions were carefully observed by a variety of care givers and medical professionals. 2) All diagnosis generally confirmed that his body was in an overall crisis, precipitated by his diabetes, dropsy, kidney damage, and overstressed due to age, travel, etc. 3) His prognosis was not optimistic and death seemed imminent, at least from September 1977. 4) There was no indications of any other cause of his ill health (i.e. poisoning) noticed by me or any medical professional up to 16 October 1977 and Srila Prabhupada did not say anything to indicate that he suspected such a thing during my time with him. 5) His eventual physical departure within one month of my departure as his nurse, was a logical and expected conclusion to the above mentioned indications. I was not at all surprised, although I will remain broken hearted over his departure throughout my life. I have written these details for the first time to benefit those who wish to know them. I have no ulterior motive and pray that my effort will be pleasing to the Vaisnavas and help to maintain a truthful historical perspective on Srila Prabhupada's departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 Please take me off your mailing list whoever you are. sales (AT) winink (DOT) com wrote: > Lastest report is "put the poison in the milk" > > ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- > 11/11 8:43 PM > Received: 11/11 3:01 PM > COM: Premarnava HKS, Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > E Temple Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: GBC Discussions, GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: (GBC) Deputies, Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: (Temple) Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Free Forum, Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Global Free Forum, Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: WWW-COM, WWW-COM (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Balavanta (das) ACBSP, Balavanta.ACBSP (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > [Text 893628 from COM] > > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was allegedly > poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all ISKCON devotees: > > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated November > 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta Archives, there > is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some people have > interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Balavanta > was asked to investigate this matter. > > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the tape > recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape was > digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > following > is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced > equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that > study as available. > > Balavanta das > > ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > > Dear Isa das > Right if mercury contains products are not prepared > properly,can be toxic & harmful to tissues.Ayurveda says mercury > products can not use more than two weeks with adjuants.Makardhwaj is > ok for weak heart but not kidney. > Thanks Anil > > om: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net (Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha) > Reply-to: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net > WLG (AT) aol (DOT) com > > This product is not good for heart & kidney problems. > If you have no diabetes you can use survana vasant malti. We have this > pills ($2/pill). > > Yes makardhwaj has these ingredients. > ============================= > > oes anyone recollect what medication Srila Prabhupada was taking during > the Mayapur festival in 1977? Please contact addresses at top of page. > > VNN has learned that Adi Keshava (Swami) was collecting money from > devotees for Srila Prabhupada's medicine (Gold for Makardhwaj) during > the Mayapur festival in 1977. If any devotees can confirm this please > contact VNN or Please contact addresses at top of page. > > ------ > > 11/06/97 > > Independent Vaishnava Council Forming > > USA (VNN) - An Independent Vaishnava Council is forming headed by > Balavanta das, former chairman of the GBC, to investigate circumstances > surrounding Srila Prabhupada's health care in 1977. Isa das and a number > of other devotees are joining the council. Isa das is currently sending > out sets of tapes to all parties for examination. > > Vaishnavas that have volunteered to participate are: Balavanta das, Isa > das, Naveen Krsna das, Bir Krsna Swami, Jagajivan das, Citrakara das, > Madhava Ashraya das. > > VNN has received several statements from devotees regarding the medical > care of Srila Prabhupada in 1977: > > ------ > > 11/05/97 > > Statement by Citrakara Das > > Citrakara das (Dr. Hans-Heinrich Rhyner, MD in Alternative Medicine, > Yoga Expert, Ayurveda Physician and Philosopher) is a disciple of Srila > Prabhupada. His Seva Ayurveda Clinic in Bangalore - India , was featured > on VNN (story# 1036). > > Statement: > > I have discussed the matter at length with Abhirama Prabhu who was Srila > Prabhupada's nurse. From the diagnosis that was taken at London, it > appears that the causes of Srila Prabupada's most serious condition was > clearly not due to heavy metal poisoning but due to a prolonged chronic > condition. My question would rather be, why this condition was not > properly taken care of much earlier. It would have certainly made Srila > Prabhupada's quality of life much better and kept him alive 10 more > years. > Makardhwaj is a mercurial compound that can certainly lead to heavy side > effects as the Vaidyas today are hardly qualified to purify the metal > and render it non-toxic. I strictly never ever use any compounds > containing Makardhwaj or other heavy metals such as lead and do not > recommend it's use to any of our students. These compounds (if properly > done) compare to modern corticosteroids and have like them heavy side > effects.The idea is to better have side effects then loosing the > patient. If the patient survives - the side effects will be taken care > of. > But then, in his extremely weakend condition unporperly purified > Makardhwaj could have certainly contributed to the final blow. It is > also clear that our ignorance in one way or the other has killed our > Guru Maharaja. > I would be prepared to be on the panel and make my contribution, but > travelling out of Bangalore would be rather difficult as from December I > have to attend to my patients here. > Hare Krishna > YS > Citrakara dasa > > ------ > > Incriminating Whisper Found On "Poison Tapes" > ------ > USA (VNN) - USA (VNN) - VNN has received the following bulletin which > was also sent to several GBC members and COM forums: > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was > allegedly poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all > ISKCON devotees: > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated > November 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta > Archives, there is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some > people have interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being > poisoned. Balavanta was asked to investigate this matter. > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the > tape recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape > was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > following is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more > advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results > of that study as available. > Balavanta das > (end quote) > > Above section in Quicktime Sound File (325 kb) > > Balavanta das has confirmed this report and says that the Bhaktivedanta > Archives also have confirmed the whisper on their copies of the tape. > > ------ > > 11/05/97 > > Statement by Abhirama Das > > I have only recently become aware of the incredible theories about the > so called poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, being circulated by some poorly > informed devotees. > As you may know I acted as Srila Pabhupada's nurse and assistant > secretary from 25th July through 16th October of 1977, and was therefore > in the best position to evaluate the factors influencing his health > during this time. I kept a diary which often documented his physical > condition, food intakes, and discomforts. I also was the primary player > when he was taken to hospital in Watford England during his last stay at > the Manor. I convinced his divine grace to go to hospital, accompanied > him there, negotiated with the surgeon not to give general anesthetics > and intravenous feeding (as was the policy), provided most of the post > operative care to Srila Prabhupada etc. I give this background to > emphasize not only my intimate role in his physical care, but also to > let you know that this same surgeon, Dr. McIrving, made a very clear and > definitive diagnosis of Srila Prabhupada's condition, namely that he, > 1) had, due to diabetes (and dropsy) suffered swelling which affected > the flow in his urinary tract over many years > 2) That he had since birth a slightly constricted urethra which further > reduced the urinary flow. (This was the reason for surgery and gave a > great deal of relief to Srila Prabhupada) > 3) The combination of these two major factors had put a constant and > harmful back pressure on his kidneys, which along with a general > deterioration due to age had inflicted serious renal damage. (Srila > Prabhupada complained to me that he had difficulty urinating and finally > was blocked completely leading to this surgery. > 4) The kidney failure would naturally cause an increase in uric acid in > his system, which would probably affect digestion and appetite. Both > being prominent symptoms in Srila Pabhupada's condition. > 5) The loss of digestion and appetite led to malnutrition which caused > an already aged and intensely taxed system to go into a total collapse. > The above is, I believe, an accurate account of the diagnosis of the > doctors who examined Srila Prabhupada at Peace Memorial Hospital on 8th > September of 1977, and all of my/our observations prior and subsequent > to this generally confirmed this diagnosis. > When Srila Prabhupada first arrived at the hospital, they had refused to > treat his urethra constriction unless he was totally hooked up to > intravenous feeding and any other life support systems they may need to > employ. Srila Prabhupada had warned me many times that he did not want > to die in a hospital and I had convinced him to visit on a promise that > he would receive only minor surgery to open the urethra ("some minor > plumbing work" as I described it to him). I had to use considerably > persuasive arguments to convince the surgeon to risk an operation on > someone he said was nearly dead, without all the support systems > required by hospital policy. > In making my (magnum opus) arguments to the doctor, I pleaded that Srila > Prabhupada wanted only enough relief to be able to travel back to his > home (Vrindavan) to die as he wished. I challenged the doctors that "if > he submits to all of your treatments, how much time can you extend his > life?" They answered that he was so far deteriorated at that point they > could hardly understand how he was living at all; and they could not > even propose adding three more months to his life with all of their > medical interventions employed. > >From this point forward I/we knew that the exoteric indications were > completely negative. Of course we never stopped hoping against hope that > the esoteric reality would alter the future that we all so greatly > dreaded. > In time we brought him to Bombay and back to Vrindavan, for what had to > become the greatest tragedy of our life and simultaneously another > glorious event in his illustrious life; namely his departure. As his > nurse I had been instructed by him to "never leave my side day or night" > and had spent most days in 24 hour contact with him. I slept holding his > hand, I bathed, dressed, fed and carried him. In short, I am a credible > witness. > I left his direct physical service under circumstances which may shed > additional light on the issue. I have always been very goal driven and > able to focus intently on the desired objective, often to an extreme. As > his nurse I saw only one acceptable result, and that was improvement of > his health and continuation of his life. No other possibility was > tenable in my mind. One day in mid October, I noticed some coolies > delivering salt bags and a stretcher, to the back porch of Srila > Prabhupada's house. As preparations for a funeral at this stage would > have been an unthinkably offensive act, I guessed that only Srila > Prabhupada himself could have dared to request it. My inquiries > confirmed my suspicions, and it was then that I finally came to terms > with the fact the he (Srila Prabhupada) had made an irrevocable decision > to leave this world soon. Again, as I had become a near fanatic to > maintain his physical condition, I felt an overwhelming sense of defeat, > hopelessness and could not adjust to this new paradigm (due to spiritual > immaturity). I therefore asked Srila Prabhupada, if I could be relieved > of my duties, in favor of Satadanya and Bhavananda who were by now fully > attending to him with equal or greater skill. > My assessment related to the accusations of Srila Prabhupada being > poisoned are: > 1) Srila Prabhupada's exoteric conditions were carefully observed by a > variety of care givers and medical professionals. > 2) All diagnosis generally confirmed that his body was in an overall > crisis, precipitated by his diabetes, dropsy, kidney damage, and > overstressed due to age, travel, etc. > 3) His prognosis was not optimistic and death seemed imminent, at least > from September 1977. > 4) There was no indications of any other cause of his ill health (i.e. > poisoning) noticed by me or any medical professional up to 16 October > 1977 and Srila Prabhupada did not say anything to indicate that he > suspected such a thing during my time with him. > 5) His eventual physical departure within one month of my departure as > his nurse, was a logical and expected conclusion to the above mentioned > indications. I was not at all surprised, although I will remain broken > hearted over his departure throughout my life. > I have written these details for the first time to benefit those who > wish to know them. I have no ulterior motive and pray that my effort > will be pleasing to the Vaisnavas and help to maintain a truthful > historical perspective on Srila Prabhupada's departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yrs, Chayadevi Conference Organiser - "Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" <Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> <sales (AT) winink (DOT) com>; "Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Friday, September 01, 2000 1:00 PM Re: info update > Please take me off your mailing list whoever you are. > > sales (AT) winink (DOT) com wrote: > > > Lastest report is "put the poison in the milk" > > > > ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- > > 11/11 8:43 PM > > Received: 11/11 3:01 PM > > COM: Premarnava HKS, Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > E Temple Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: GBC Discussions, GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: (GBC) Deputies, Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: (Temple) Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: Free Forum, Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: Global Free Forum, Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: WWW-COM, WWW-COM (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > COM: Balavanta (das) ACBSP, Balavanta.ACBSP (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > > > [Text 893628 from COM] > > > > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was allegedly > > poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all ISKCON devotees: > > > > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated November > > 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta Archives, there > > is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some people have > > interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Balavanta > > was asked to investigate this matter. > > > > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the tape > > recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape was > > digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > > following > > is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > > > > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > > > > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced > > equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that > > study as available. > > > > Balavanta das > > > > ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > > > > Dear Isa das > > Right if mercury contains products are not prepared > > properly,can be toxic & harmful to tissues.Ayurveda says mercury > > products can not use more than two weeks with adjuants.Makardhwaj is > > ok for weak heart but not kidney. > > Thanks Anil > > > > om: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net (Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha) > > Reply-to: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net > > WLG (AT) aol (DOT) com > > > > This product is not good for heart & kidney problems. > > If you have no diabetes you can use survana vasant malti. We have this > > pills ($2/pill). > > > > Yes makardhwaj has these ingredients. > > ============================= > > > > oes anyone recollect what medication Srila Prabhupada was taking during > > the Mayapur festival in 1977? Please contact addresses at top of page. > > > > VNN has learned that Adi Keshava (Swami) was collecting money from > > devotees for Srila Prabhupada's medicine (Gold for Makardhwaj) during > > the Mayapur festival in 1977. If any devotees can confirm this please > > contact VNN or Please contact addresses at top of page. > > > > ------ > > > > 11/06/97 > > > > Independent Vaishnava Council Forming > > > > USA (VNN) - An Independent Vaishnava Council is forming headed by > > Balavanta das, former chairman of the GBC, to investigate circumstances > > surrounding Srila Prabhupada's health care in 1977. Isa das and a number > > of other devotees are joining the council. Isa das is currently sending > > out sets of tapes to all parties for examination. > > > > Vaishnavas that have volunteered to participate are: Balavanta das, Isa > > das, Naveen Krsna das, Bir Krsna Swami, Jagajivan das, Citrakara das, > > Madhava Ashraya das. > > > > VNN has received several statements from devotees regarding the medical > > care of Srila Prabhupada in 1977: > > > > ------ > > > > 11/05/97 > > > > Statement by Citrakara Das > > > > Citrakara das (Dr. Hans-Heinrich Rhyner, MD in Alternative Medicine, > > Yoga Expert, Ayurveda Physician and Philosopher) is a disciple of Srila > > Prabhupada. His Seva Ayurveda Clinic in Bangalore - India , was featured > > on VNN (story# 1036). > > > > Statement: > > > > I have discussed the matter at length with Abhirama Prabhu who was Srila > > Prabhupada's nurse. From the diagnosis that was taken at London, it > > appears that the causes of Srila Prabupada's most serious condition was > > clearly not due to heavy metal poisoning but due to a prolonged chronic > > condition. My question would rather be, why this condition was not > > properly taken care of much earlier. It would have certainly made Srila > > Prabhupada's quality of life much better and kept him alive 10 more > > years. > > Makardhwaj is a mercurial compound that can certainly lead to heavy side > > effects as the Vaidyas today are hardly qualified to purify the metal > > and render it non-toxic. I strictly never ever use any compounds > > containing Makardhwaj or other heavy metals such as lead and do not > > recommend it's use to any of our students. These compounds (if properly > > done) compare to modern corticosteroids and have like them heavy side > > effects.The idea is to better have side effects then loosing the > > patient. If the patient survives - the side effects will be taken care > > of. > > But then, in his extremely weakend condition unporperly purified > > Makardhwaj could have certainly contributed to the final blow. It is > > also clear that our ignorance in one way or the other has killed our > > Guru Maharaja. > > I would be prepared to be on the panel and make my contribution, but > > travelling out of Bangalore would be rather difficult as from December I > > have to attend to my patients here. > > Hare Krishna > > YS > > Citrakara dasa > > > > ------ > > > > Incriminating Whisper Found On "Poison Tapes" > > ------ > > USA (VNN) - USA (VNN) - VNN has received the following bulletin which > > was also sent to several GBC members and COM forums: > > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was > > allegedly poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all > > ISKCON devotees: > > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated > > November 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta > > Archives, there is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some > > people have interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being > > poisoned. Balavanta was asked to investigate this matter. > > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the > > tape recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape > > was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > > following is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more > > advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results > > of that study as available. > > Balavanta das > > (end quote) > > > > Above section in Quicktime Sound File (325 kb) > > > > Balavanta das has confirmed this report and says that the Bhaktivedanta > > Archives also have confirmed the whisper on their copies of the tape. > > > > ------ > > > > 11/05/97 > > > > Statement by Abhirama Das > > > > I have only recently become aware of the incredible theories about the > > so called poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, being circulated by some poorly > > informed devotees. > > As you may know I acted as Srila Pabhupada's nurse and assistant > > secretary from 25th July through 16th October of 1977, and was therefore > > in the best position to evaluate the factors influencing his health > > during this time. I kept a diary which often documented his physical > > condition, food intakes, and discomforts. I also was the primary player > > when he was taken to hospital in Watford England during his last stay at > > the Manor. I convinced his divine grace to go to hospital, accompanied > > him there, negotiated with the surgeon not to give general anesthetics > > and intravenous feeding (as was the policy), provided most of the post > > operative care to Srila Prabhupada etc. I give this background to > > emphasize not only my intimate role in his physical care, but also to > > let you know that this same surgeon, Dr. McIrving, made a very clear and > > definitive diagnosis of Srila Prabhupada's condition, namely that he, > > 1) had, due to diabetes (and dropsy) suffered swelling which affected > > the flow in his urinary tract over many years > > 2) That he had since birth a slightly constricted urethra which further > > reduced the urinary flow. (This was the reason for surgery and gave a > > great deal of relief to Srila Prabhupada) > > 3) The combination of these two major factors had put a constant and > > harmful back pressure on his kidneys, which along with a general > > deterioration due to age had inflicted serious renal damage. (Srila > > Prabhupada complained to me that he had difficulty urinating and finally > > was blocked completely leading to this surgery. > > 4) The kidney failure would naturally cause an increase in uric acid in > > his system, which would probably affect digestion and appetite. Both > > being prominent symptoms in Srila Pabhupada's condition. > > 5) The loss of digestion and appetite led to malnutrition which caused > > an already aged and intensely taxed system to go into a total collapse. > > The above is, I believe, an accurate account of the diagnosis of the > > doctors who examined Srila Prabhupada at Peace Memorial Hospital on 8th > > September of 1977, and all of my/our observations prior and subsequent > > to this generally confirmed this diagnosis. > > When Srila Prabhupada first arrived at the hospital, they had refused to > > treat his urethra constriction unless he was totally hooked up to > > intravenous feeding and any other life support systems they may need to > > employ. Srila Prabhupada had warned me many times that he did not want > > to die in a hospital and I had convinced him to visit on a promise that > > he would receive only minor surgery to open the urethra ("some minor > > plumbing work" as I described it to him). I had to use considerably > > persuasive arguments to convince the surgeon to risk an operation on > > someone he said was nearly dead, without all the support systems > > required by hospital policy. > > In making my (magnum opus) arguments to the doctor, I pleaded that Srila > > Prabhupada wanted only enough relief to be able to travel back to his > > home (Vrindavan) to die as he wished. I challenged the doctors that "if > > he submits to all of your treatments, how much time can you extend his > > life?" They answered that he was so far deteriorated at that point they > > could hardly understand how he was living at all; and they could not > > even propose adding three more months to his life with all of their > > medical interventions employed. > > >From this point forward I/we knew that the exoteric indications were > > completely negative. Of course we never stopped hoping against hope that > > the esoteric reality would alter the future that we all so greatly > > dreaded. > > In time we brought him to Bombay and back to Vrindavan, for what had to > > become the greatest tragedy of our life and simultaneously another > > glorious event in his illustrious life; namely his departure. As his > > nurse I had been instructed by him to "never leave my side day or night" > > and had spent most days in 24 hour contact with him. I slept holding his > > hand, I bathed, dressed, fed and carried him. In short, I am a credible > > witness. > > I left his direct physical service under circumstances which may shed > > additional light on the issue. I have always been very goal driven and > > able to focus intently on the desired objective, often to an extreme. As > > his nurse I saw only one acceptable result, and that was improvement of > > his health and continuation of his life. No other possibility was > > tenable in my mind. One day in mid October, I noticed some coolies > > delivering salt bags and a stretcher, to the back porch of Srila > > Prabhupada's house. As preparations for a funeral at this stage would > > have been an unthinkably offensive act, I guessed that only Srila > > Prabhupada himself could have dared to request it. My inquiries > > confirmed my suspicions, and it was then that I finally came to terms > > with the fact the he (Srila Prabhupada) had made an irrevocable decision > > to leave this world soon. Again, as I had become a near fanatic to > > maintain his physical condition, I felt an overwhelming sense of defeat, > > hopelessness and could not adjust to this new paradigm (due to spiritual > > immaturity). I therefore asked Srila Prabhupada, if I could be relieved > > of my duties, in favor of Satadanya and Bhavananda who were by now fully > > attending to him with equal or greater skill. > > My assessment related to the accusations of Srila Prabhupada being > > poisoned are: > > 1) Srila Prabhupada's exoteric conditions were carefully observed by a > > variety of care givers and medical professionals. > > 2) All diagnosis generally confirmed that his body was in an overall > > crisis, precipitated by his diabetes, dropsy, kidney damage, and > > overstressed due to age, travel, etc. > > 3) His prognosis was not optimistic and death seemed imminent, at least > > from September 1977. > > 4) There was no indications of any other cause of his ill health (i.e. > > poisoning) noticed by me or any medical professional up to 16 October > > 1977 and Srila Prabhupada did not say anything to indicate that he > > suspected such a thing during my time with him. > > 5) His eventual physical departure within one month of my departure as > > his nurse, was a logical and expected conclusion to the above mentioned > > indications. I was not at all surprised, although I will remain broken > > hearted over his departure throughout my life. > > I have written these details for the first time to benefit those who > > wish to know them. I have no ulterior motive and pray that my effort > > will be pleasing to the Vaisnavas and help to maintain a truthful > > historical perspective on Srila Prabhupada's departure. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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