Guest guest Posted September 2, 2000 Report Share Posted September 2, 2000 - <sales (AT) winink (DOT) com> <info (AT) home (DOT) martnet.com> Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:04 AM info update > Lastest report is "put the poison in the milk" > > ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- > 11/11 8:43 PM > Received: 11/11 3:01 PM > COM: Premarnava HKS, Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Premarnava.HKS (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > E Temple Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: GBC Discussions, GBC.Discussions (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: (GBC) Deputies, Deputies (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: (Temple) Presidents, Presidents (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Free Forum, Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Global Free Forum, Global.Free.Forum (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: WWW-COM, WWW-COM (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > COM: Balavanta (das) ACBSP, Balavanta.ACBSP (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se > > [Text 893628 from COM] > > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was allegedly > poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all ISKCON devotees: > > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated November > 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta Archives, there > is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some people have > interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Balavanta > was asked to investigate this matter. > > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the tape > recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape was > digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > following > is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced > equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that > study as available. > > Balavanta das > > > ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- > > > > > Dear Isa das > Right if mercury contains products are not prepared > properly,can be toxic & harmful to tissues.Ayurveda says mercury > products can not use more than two weeks with adjuants.Makardhwaj is > ok for weak heart but not kidney. > Thanks Anil > > > om: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net (Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha) > Reply-to: swamist (AT) pb (DOT) net > WLG (AT) aol (DOT) com > > This product is not good for heart & kidney problems. > If you have no diabetes you can use survana vasant malti. We have this > pills ($2/pill). > > Yes makardhwaj has these ingredients. > ============================= > > > oes anyone recollect what medication Srila Prabhupada was taking during > the Mayapur festival in 1977? Please contact addresses at top of page. > > VNN has learned that Adi Keshava (Swami) was collecting money from > devotees for Srila Prabhupada's medicine (Gold for Makardhwaj) during > the Mayapur festival in 1977. If any devotees can confirm this please > contact VNN or Please contact addresses at top of page. > > > ------ > > > 11/06/97 > > Independent Vaishnava Council Forming > > USA (VNN) - An Independent Vaishnava Council is forming headed by > Balavanta das, former chairman of the GBC, to investigate circumstances > surrounding Srila Prabhupada's health care in 1977. Isa das and a number > of other devotees are joining the council. Isa das is currently sending > out sets of tapes to all parties for examination. > > Vaishnavas that have volunteered to participate are: Balavanta das, Isa > das, Naveen Krsna das, Bir Krsna Swami, Jagajivan das, Citrakara das, > Madhava Ashraya das. > > VNN has received several statements from devotees regarding the medical > care of Srila Prabhupada in 1977: > > > ------ > > > 11/05/97 > > Statement by Citrakara Das > > Citrakara das (Dr. Hans-Heinrich Rhyner, MD in Alternative Medicine, > Yoga Expert, Ayurveda Physician and Philosopher) is a disciple of Srila > Prabhupada. His Seva Ayurveda Clinic in Bangalore - India , was featured > on VNN (story# 1036). > > Statement: > > I have discussed the matter at length with Abhirama Prabhu who was Srila > Prabhupada's nurse. From the diagnosis that was taken at London, it > appears that the causes of Srila Prabupada's most serious condition was > clearly not due to heavy metal poisoning but due to a prolonged chronic > condition. My question would rather be, why this condition was not > properly taken care of much earlier. It would have certainly made Srila > Prabhupada's quality of life much better and kept him alive 10 more > years. > Makardhwaj is a mercurial compound that can certainly lead to heavy side > effects as the Vaidyas today are hardly qualified to purify the metal > and render it non-toxic. I strictly never ever use any compounds > containing Makardhwaj or other heavy metals such as lead and do not > recommend it's use to any of our students. These compounds (if properly > done) compare to modern corticosteroids and have like them heavy side > effects.The idea is to better have side effects then loosing the > patient. If the patient survives - the side effects will be taken care > of. > But then, in his extremely weakend condition unporperly purified > Makardhwaj could have certainly contributed to the final blow. It is > also clear that our ignorance in one way or the other has killed our > Guru Maharaja. > I would be prepared to be on the panel and make my contribution, but > travelling out of Bangalore would be rather difficult as from December I > have to attend to my patients here. > Hare Krishna > YS > Citrakara dasa > > > > ------ > > > Incriminating Whisper Found On "Poison Tapes" > ------ > USA (VNN) - USA (VNN) - VNN has received the following bulletin which > was also sent to several GBC members and COM forums: > FROM: Balavanta das, appointed by the GBC Executive Committee as special > independent investigator into charges that Srila Prabhupada was > allegedly poisoned, on behalf of the GBC Executive Committee to all > ISKCON devotees: > On a tape from Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrindavan, India dated > November 8, 1977, the original of which is with the Bhaktivedanta > Archives, there is a statement by Srila Prabhupada in Hindi which some > people have interpreted to mean that Srila Prabhupada was being > poisoned. Balavanta was asked to investigate this matter. > In the course of the investigation, it was discovered that another tape > from the same location dated November 10, 1977, the original of which is > also with the Archives, contains a whisper which was picked up by the > tape recorder. The statement in the whisper refers to poison. This tape > was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in > Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the > following is the probable contents of the whispered statement either: > 1. "Lets not poison him and go" or > 2. "Lets now poison him and go." > We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more > advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results > of that study as available. > Balavanta das > (end quote) > > Above section in Quicktime Sound File (325 kb) > > Balavanta das has confirmed this report and says that the Bhaktivedanta > Archives also have confirmed the whisper on their copies of the tape. > > > ------ > > > 11/05/97 > > Statement by Abhirama Das > > I have only recently become aware of the incredible theories about the > so called poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, being circulated by some poorly > informed devotees. > As you may know I acted as Srila Pabhupada's nurse and assistant > secretary from 25th July through 16th October of 1977, and was therefore > in the best position to evaluate the factors influencing his health > during this time. I kept a diary which often documented his physical > condition, food intakes, and discomforts. I also was the primary player > when he was taken to hospital in Watford England during his last stay at > the Manor. I convinced his divine grace to go to hospital, accompanied > him there, negotiated with the surgeon not to give general anesthetics > and intravenous feeding (as was the policy), provided most of the post > operative care to Srila Prabhupada etc. I give this background to > emphasize not only my intimate role in his physical care, but also to > let you know that this same surgeon, Dr. McIrving, made a very clear and > definitive diagnosis of Srila Prabhupada's condition, namely that he, > 1) had, due to diabetes (and dropsy) suffered swelling which affected > the flow in his urinary tract over many years > 2) That he had since birth a slightly constricted urethra which further > reduced the urinary flow. (This was the reason for surgery and gave a > great deal of relief to Srila Prabhupada) > 3) The combination of these two major factors had put a constant and > harmful back pressure on his kidneys, which along with a general > deterioration due to age had inflicted serious renal damage. (Srila > Prabhupada complained to me that he had difficulty urinating and finally > was blocked completely leading to this surgery. > 4) The kidney failure would naturally cause an increase in uric acid in > his system, which would probably affect digestion and appetite. Both > being prominent symptoms in Srila Pabhupada's condition. > 5) The loss of digestion and appetite led to malnutrition which caused > an already aged and intensely taxed system to go into a total collapse. > The above is, I believe, an accurate account of the diagnosis of the > doctors who examined Srila Prabhupada at Peace Memorial Hospital on 8th > September of 1977, and all of my/our observations prior and subsequent > to this generally confirmed this diagnosis. > When Srila Prabhupada first arrived at the hospital, they had refused to > treat his urethra constriction unless he was totally hooked up to > intravenous feeding and any other life support systems they may need to > employ. Srila Prabhupada had warned me many times that he did not want > to die in a hospital and I had convinced him to visit on a promise that > he would receive only minor surgery to open the urethra ("some minor > plumbing work" as I described it to him). I had to use considerably > persuasive arguments to convince the surgeon to risk an operation on > someone he said was nearly dead, without all the support systems > required by hospital policy. > In making my (magnum opus) arguments to the doctor, I pleaded that Srila > Prabhupada wanted only enough relief to be able to travel back to his > home (Vrindavan) to die as he wished. I challenged the doctors that "if > he submits to all of your treatments, how much time can you extend his > life?" They answered that he was so far deteriorated at that point they > could hardly understand how he was living at all; and they could not > even propose adding three more months to his life with all of their > medical interventions employed. > From this point forward I/we knew that the exoteric indications were > completely negative. Of course we never stopped hoping against hope that > the esoteric reality would alter the future that we all so greatly > dreaded. > In time we brought him to Bombay and back to Vrindavan, for what had to > become the greatest tragedy of our life and simultaneously another > glorious event in his illustrious life; namely his departure. As his > nurse I had been instructed by him to "never leave my side day or night" > and had spent most days in 24 hour contact with him. I slept holding his > hand, I bathed, dressed, fed and carried him. In short, I am a credible > witness. > I left his direct physical service under circumstances which may shed > additional light on the issue. I have always been very goal driven and > able to focus intently on the desired objective, often to an extreme. As > his nurse I saw only one acceptable result, and that was improvement of > his health and continuation of his life. No other possibility was > tenable in my mind. One day in mid October, I noticed some coolies > delivering salt bags and a stretcher, to the back porch of Srila > Prabhupada's house. As preparations for a funeral at this stage would > have been an unthinkably offensive act, I guessed that only Srila > Prabhupada himself could have dared to request it. My inquiries > confirmed my suspicions, and it was then that I finally came to terms > with the fact the he (Srila Prabhupada) had made an irrevocable decision > to leave this world soon. Again, as I had become a near fanatic to > maintain his physical condition, I felt an overwhelming sense of defeat, > hopelessness and could not adjust to this new paradigm (due to spiritual > immaturity). I therefore asked Srila Prabhupada, if I could be relieved > of my duties, in favor of Satadanya and Bhavananda who were by now fully > attending to him with equal or greater skill. > My assessment related to the accusations of Srila Prabhupada being > poisoned are: > 1) Srila Prabhupada's exoteric conditions were carefully observed by a > variety of care givers and medical professionals. > 2) All diagnosis generally confirmed that his body was in an overall > crisis, precipitated by his diabetes, dropsy, kidney damage, and > overstressed due to age, travel, etc. > 3) His prognosis was not optimistic and death seemed imminent, at least > from September 1977. > 4) There was no indications of any other cause of his ill health (i.e. > poisoning) noticed by me or any medical professional up to 16 October > 1977 and Srila Prabhupada did not say anything to indicate that he > suspected such a thing during my time with him. > 5) His eventual physical departure within one month of my departure as > his nurse, was a logical and expected conclusion to the above mentioned > indications. I was not at all surprised, although I will remain broken > hearted over his departure throughout my life. > I have written these details for the first time to benefit those who > wish to know them. I have no ulterior motive and pray that my effort > will be pleasing to the Vaisnavas and help to maintain a truthful > historical perspective on Srila Prabhupada's departure. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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