before Lahiri which one? 2/6 p2

June 2, 2006

Dear Friends,

Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my experience

with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on the

banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.

This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains Hindu

Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential school.

When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him about

the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and Lahiri's

ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the then

govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a

difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a

differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to him

to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my case,

there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of Chandra

dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.

As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's experience.

Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology.

This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' .

Regards,

Satish

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>

> I have also shared some of these inputs directly and indirectly

with many in person and in the groups like these the most

remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. Ashwattappa,

who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was

fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so for

his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the difference

between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and MAJORITY

HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him.

>

> But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must try

it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu Dasa or

Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier part

once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra periods that

gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then end of

the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give at

start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S

SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's

asthana Jyotishis for generations.

>

> SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD RESULTS it

is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the subject

to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is possible

they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to ones

intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we ar

einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the traditional

ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged as the

genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: dear prashant ji

>

> is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your

three

> decades of experience and since you are one of the founding

members

> of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs.

>

> earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and

sometimes

> i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your

> advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the

charts,

> especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these

> ayanamashas can make or break a chart.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tarun

> > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior

to

> Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge who

> could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN.

> >

> > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with

> >

> > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil

centric

> problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego

> quotient]

> > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no

> corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one in

the

> family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you

can

> dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi

> etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake

> calander] quite different from others. and say could not agree

> comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree?

> >

> > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at

> different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos. no

> scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one

> which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at

least.

> >

> > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on

> storry telling these are true ones though

> >

> > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON

or

> Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a

> group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them

> Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple

function

> there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead

> with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark

> > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle

line

> in red]

> >

> > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went

to

> the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never say

> Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander but

> Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's

> crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the

state

> and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.

> >

> > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ,

> are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other one

> resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. their

mud

> slinging is of unique depths.

> >

> > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,

> >

> > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since

> varanasi was key centre for

> > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as

par

> Varanasi.(as wht i know)

> >

> > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was

used

> before lahiri placed his

> > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while

making

> chart in ancient times.

> >

> > i think this question is still unanswered.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> > www.thevinayak.com

> >

> > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not

> Varanasi!

> > >

> > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or

> > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I

> remember

> > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla

> temple and

> > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , ~~Tarun~~

> <tarun_vst@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me.

> > > >

> > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use

raman

> ayanamsa

> > > my dasha changes by 18 months.

> > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes.

> > > >

> > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was

much

> near

> > > to equator in comparison to

> > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his

> calculations) so

> > > the diff is easily expected.

> > > >

> > > > my dob 19-07-1983

> > > > time:- 10.35 am

> > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan

> > > >

> > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows

> rahu in

> > > 9th .

> > > >

> > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.

> > > >

> > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes

and

> if i

> > > consider true node then too my

> > > > chart changes.

> > > >

> > > > but as far as for Miss astro.

> > > >

> > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because

> venus and

> > > ketu dont give much better

> > > > results as she is descibing.

> > > >

> > > > thanks and regards

> > > >

> > > > tarun

> > > >

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Tarun ji,

> > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last

time!>

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because

ketu

> and

> > > venus

> > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if

> using

> > > Raman

> > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another

> conundrum!

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same

> sign and

> > > > > house (9th)

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in

> different

> > > signs :-

> > > > > )

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us

> against

> > > yet

> > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar

jaaoon -

> -

> > > kidhar

> > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and

> comment

> > > on

> > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true

> nodes?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes,

> isn't

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for

> lifetimes?

> > > How

> > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely

> interested

> > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would

> rather

> > > keep

> > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists

but

> only

> > > lie in

> > > > > their (mis)perception!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hii ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong.

> > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find

venus

> ketu

> > > > > combination in his chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even

> being

> > > worst in

> > > > > 7th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is

lord

> 3rd and

> > > 6th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart.

> and that

> > > too

> > > > > is a dobutful combination but

> > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as

> mars in

> > > 5th

> > > > > house so it wont make him to do

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will

surely

> make

> > > him to

> > > > > get in arrange marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and

7th

> > > jupiter as

> > > > > per lal kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tarun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > his chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981

> > > > > > > tob--- 16.08

> > > > > > > pob--- ajmer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god

blessings

> even

> > > being

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted

> towards him

> > > to

> > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any boy

> can

> > > easily

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > gf.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love

> marriage,but our

> > > > > guruji

> > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in 7th

> wont

> > > allow

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very good

> one, u

> > > can

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world happening

> much

> > > before

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers

> crashing,

> > > killing

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hii,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination

> often shows

> > > the

> > > > > > > described things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other astrologers

can

> find

> > > it

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > the reason of him being good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > bye

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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> http://in.messenger.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

June 2, 2006

Respected Gurujan,

What came to be known as Lahiri Ayanansh is actually an ayanansh

worked out by Pt. Ketkar and that's is why it is known as Ketki

chitra paksheeya ayanansh { based on chitra nakshatra}. The Lahiri

committee accepted it because it is based on the `grah laghav'

paddhati , the system most widely used.

The Grah Laghav paddhati is :

take the saka samvat for the year. Deduct 444 from it and divide

the rest by 60; and that is the ayanansh.

There are two other paddhati also to work out the ayanansh , namely

Makarand and Surya siddhant.

The Makarand Paddhati is :

Step 1 :Take the saka samvat for the year. Deduct 421 from it.

Divide the remainder by 10.

Step 2 : deduct the result of step 1 from the saka samvat for the

year and divide the remainder by 60. The result is the ayanansh

With Naman to all gurujan,

Varun Trivedi

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

>

> I have also shared some of these inputs directly and indirectly

with many in person and in the groups like these the most

remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. Ashwattappa,

who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was

fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so for

his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the difference

between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and MAJORITY

HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him.

>

> But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must try

it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu Dasa or

Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier part

once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra periods

that gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then

end of the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give

at start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S

SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's

asthana Jyotishis for generations.

>

> SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD RESULTS

it is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the

subject to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is

possible they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left

to ones intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know

we ar einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the

traditional ones which even westerners beofe his birth have

acknowledged as the genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: dear prashant

ji

>

> is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your

three

> decades of experience and since you are one of the founding

members

> of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs.

>

> earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and

sometimes

> i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your

> advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the

charts,

> especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these

> ayanamashas can make or break a chart.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tarun

> > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge

prior to

> Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge

who

> could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN.

> >

> > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with

> >

> > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil

centric

> problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego

> quotient]

> > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no

> corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one in

the

> family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you

can

> dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam,

Tenkasi

> etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake

> calander] quite different from others. and say could not agree

> comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree?

> >

> > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at

> different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos.

no

> scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one

> which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at

least.

> >

> > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on

> storry telling these are true ones though

> >

> > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON

or

> Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars

a

> group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them

> Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple

function

> there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead

> with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark

> > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle

line

> in red]

> >

> > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went

to

> the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never

say

> Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander but

> Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's

> crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the

state

> and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.

> >

> > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ,

> are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other one

> resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. their

mud

> slinging is of unique depths.

> >

> > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,

> >

> > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but

since

> varanasi was key centre for

> > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as

par

> Varanasi.(as wht i know)

> >

> > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was

used

> before lahiri placed his

> > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while

making

> chart in ancient times.

> >

> > i think this question is still unanswered.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Tarun

> > www.thevinayak.com

> >

> > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not

> Varanasi!

> > >

> > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or

> > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if

I

> remember

> > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla

> temple and

> > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , ~~Tarun~~

> <tarun_vst@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me.

> > > >

> > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use

raman

> ayanamsa

> > > my dasha changes by 18 months.

> > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes.

> > > >

> > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was

much

> near

> > > to equator in comparison to

> > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his

> calculations) so

> > > the diff is easily expected.

> > > >

> > > > my dob 19-07-1983

> > > > time:- 10.35 am

> > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan

> > > >

> > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one

shows

> rahu in

> > > 9th .

> > > >

> > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.

> > > >

> > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes

and

> if i

> > > consider true node then too my

> > > > chart changes.

> > > >

> > > > but as far as for Miss astro.

> > > >

> > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not

matching .because

> venus and

> > > ketu dont give much better

> > > > results as she is descibing.

> > > >

> > > > thanks and regards

> > > >

> > > > tarun

> > > >

> > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Tarun ji,

> > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last

time!>

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because

ketu

> and

> > > venus

> > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart

if

> using

> > > Raman

> > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another

> conundrum!

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in

same

> sign and

> > > > > house (9th)

> > > > >

> > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in

> different

> > > signs :-

> > > > > )

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings

us

> against

> > > yet

> > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar

jaaoon -

> -

> > > kidhar

> > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly

and

> comment

> > > on

> > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true

> nodes?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true

nodes,

> isn't

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for

> lifetimes?

> > > How

> > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely

> interested

> > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would

> rather

> > > keep

> > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists

but

> only

> > > lie in

> > > > > their (mis)perception!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hii ???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong.

> > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find

venus

> ketu

> > > > > combination in his chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even

> being

> > > worst in

> > > > > 7th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is

lord

> 3rd and

> > > 6th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his

chart.

> and that

> > > too

> > > > > is a dobutful combination but

> > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as

> mars in

> > > 5th

> > > > > house so it wont make him to do

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will

surely

> make

> > > him to

> > > > > get in arrange marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and

7th

> > > jupiter as

> > > > > per lal kitab.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tarun.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > his chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981

> > > > > > > tob--- 16.08

> > > > > > > pob--- ajmer

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god

blessings

> even

> > > being

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted

> towards him

> > > to

> > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any

boy

> can

> > > easily

> > > > > have a

> > > > > > > gf.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love

> marriage,but our

> > > > > guruji

> > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in

7th

> wont

> > > allow

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very

good

> one, u

> > > can

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world happening

> much

> > > before

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers

> crashing,

> > > killing

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hii,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination

> often shows

> > > the

> > > > > > > described things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other astrologers

can

> find

> > > it

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > the reason of him being good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > bye

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://in.messenger.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

June 2, 2006

Dear Satish ji,

Though Sri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri is noted for his ayanamsha (which he

never called his own but simply pinned it to the star Chitra or

Spica -- hence properly named as Chitra navamsha. Similar

misnomenclature also exists for the so called Yukteshwar ayanamsha.

Even more so, since unlike Lahiri, Yukteshwar Giri ji Maharaj did not

calculate or establish that ayanamsha but merely stated that it was

according to astronomical books -- possibly prevailing panchangs

followed by him). All this has been written with more interesting

similarities between it and Raman ayanamsha in earlier posts, etc.

Anyway, much more important than the ayanamsha he gave us, Lahiri's

primary contribution to the field of jyotish related astronomy is the

bringing out of accurate epehmeris/panchangs which were based on

mathematical calculations with modern terms and corrections given by

astrophysics. With Lahiri's ephemeris starting in 30s or thereabouts

the wild variabilities that characterized all but a few rare

panchaangs became a thing of past and more importantly, others were

forced to follow suit and fine-tune their 'act'. Publishing just

anything and calling it a panchanng or panjika would not do, any

more!

That, to me is the major contribution of Lahiri.

Kumarji gave a beautiful analogy, or different ayanamshas being like

vision-correcting glasses. Mine would not work for you, yours would

not work for me! My own that worked ten years do not work for me

anymore <LOL>

RR

, "R Satish" <rsatish1942>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Mentioning about Lahiri's Ayanamsa,remimded about my experience

> with a hard core Vedic scholar,from a place called Kotipalli,on the

> banks of Godavari in East Godavari Dt.

>

> This Brahmin,80 +yrs runs a Vedic Patshala which trains Hindu

> Priests for performimg various poojas etcand is residential school.

>

> When the subject of Ayanamsa came up,I had mentioned to him about

> the pabnchang difference between a Kakinada panchang and Lahiri's

> ayanamsa. He emphatically stated that Lahiri succumbed to the then

> govt's pressure manipulating the ephemeris.He stated there is a

> difference of" one pada",between the local panchang.Hence a

> differneceof nearly 6-8 month's is not uncommon.I had gone to him

> to discuss my son's horoscope,about 3/4 yrs ago.Even in my case,

> there is a diffence of exactly one year in the balance of Chandra

> dasa,I have not been to reconcile this difference.

>

> As stated by you stalwarts,finally it boils down to one's

experience.

> Fnaticism does not serve much purpose to the cause of astrology.

>

> This is one of my several experiemces with the' stalwarts' .

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

> >

> > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and indirectly

> with many in person and in the groups like these the most

> remarkable one being of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. Ashwattappa,

> who had contemopt for Raman like all others here as it was

> fashionable to do so by ciritising any pouplar person, and so for

> his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even know the difference

> between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec and MAJORITY

> HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him.

> >

> > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must try

> it and did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu Dasa

or

> Ketu Dasa at the end giving Good results than their earlier part

> once he shifted the ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra periods

that

> gave the right results as Subha phala need not wait til then end

of

> the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or Rahu if well place can give at

> start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S

> SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore Maharaja's

> asthana Jyotishis for generations.

> >

> > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD RESULTS

it

> is open to them no vested interests, except that we want the

subject

> to have its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is

possible

> they can stillg et good results in this or anyother left to ones

> intution, instincts, knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we ar

> einthe right track so lets move along, and he hsued the

traditional

> ones which even westerners beofe his birth have acknowledged as

the

> genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) RICHNESS.

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant ji

> >

> > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your

> three

> > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding

> members

> > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs.

> >

> > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and

> sometimes

> > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your

> > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the

> charts,

> > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these

> > ayanamashas can make or break a chart.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Tarun

> > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge

prior

> to

> > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge

who

> > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN.

> > >

> > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal

with

> > >

> > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil

> centric

> > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego

> > quotient]

> > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no

> > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one

in

> the

> > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you

> can

> > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam,

Tenkasi

> > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake

> > calander] quite different from others. and say could not

agree

> > comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree?

> > >

> > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at

> > different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos.

no

> > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one

> > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at

> least.

> > >

> > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on

> > storry telling these are true ones though

> > >

> > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON

> or

> > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars

a

> > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them

> > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple

> function

> > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's

forehaead

> > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark

> > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle

> line

> > in red]

> > >

> > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went

> to

> > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never

say

> > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander

but

> > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same

Moon's

> > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the

> state

> > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only.

> > >

> > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms

JJ,

> > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other

one

> > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly.

their

> mud

> > slinging is of unique depths.

> > >

> > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> wrote: Dear RR ji,

> > >

> > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but

since

> > varanasi was key centre for

> > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as

> par

> > Varanasi.(as wht i know)

> > >

> > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was

> used

> > before lahiri placed his

> > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while

> making

> > chart in ancient times.

> > >

> > > i think this question is still unanswered.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Tarun

> > > www.thevinayak.com

> > >

> > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and

not

> > Varanasi!

> > > >

> > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or

> > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if

I

> > remember

> > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or

Birla

> > temple and

> > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RR ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use

> raman

> > ayanamsa

> > > > my dasha changes by 18 months.

> > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was

> much

> > near

> > > > to equator in comparison to

> > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his

> > calculations) so

> > > > the diff is easily expected.

> > > > >

> > > > > my dob 19-07-1983

> > > > > time:- 10.35 am

> > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan

> > > > >

> > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one

shows

> > rahu in

> > > > 9th .

> > > > >

> > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow.

> > > > >

> > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes

> and

> > if i

> > > > consider true node then too my

> > > > > chart changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > but as far as for Miss astro.

> > > > >

> > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not

matching .because

> > venus and

> > > > ketu dont give much better

> > > > > results as she is descibing.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and regards

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Tarun ji,

> > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last

> time!>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because

> ketu

> > and

> > > > venus

> > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart

if

> > using

> > > > Raman

> > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another

> > conundrum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in

same

> > sign and

> > > > > > house (9th)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in

> > different

> > > > signs :-

> > > > > > )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings

us

> > against

> > > > yet

> > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar

> jaaoon -

> > -

> > > > kidhar

> > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly

and

> > comment

> > > > on

> > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize

true

> > nodes?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true

nodes,

> > isn't

> > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for

> > lifetimes?

> > > > How

> > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely

> > interested

> > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some

would

> > rather

> > > > keep

> > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists

> but

> > only

> > > > lie in

> > > > > > their (mis)perception!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~

> > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hii ???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong.

> > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find

> venus

> > ketu

> > > > > > combination in his chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna

even

> > being

> > > > worst in

> > > > > > 7th house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is

> lord

> > 3rd and

> > > > 6th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his

chart.

> > and that

> > > > too

> > > > > > is a dobutful combination but

> > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his

chart.as

> > mars in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > house so it wont make him to do

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will

> surely

> > make

> > > > him to

> > > > > > get in arrange marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars

and

> 7th

> > > > jupiter as

> > > > > > per lal kitab.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tarun.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > his chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981

> > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08

> > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god

> blessings

> > even

> > > > being

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted

> > towards him

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any

boy

> > can

> > > > easily

> > > > > > have a

> > > > > > > > gf.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love

> > marriage,but our

> > > > > > guruji

> > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in

7th

> > wont

> > > > allow

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very

good

> > one, u

> > > > can

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world

happening

> > much

> > > > before

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers

> > crashing,

> > > > killing

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

~~Tarun~~

> > > > <tarun_vst@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hii,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination

> > often shows

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > described things.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other

astrologers

> can

> > find

> > > > it

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > the reason of him being good.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bye

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://in.messenger.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

June 3, 2006

Dear Rohini Ji,

The earth's tilt on its axis, the Ayana, is the real factor behind the ayanamsa. Ayanamsa is the difference between sayan (with ayan) and nirayan (without ayana) planetary calculations. The Lahiri ayanamsa exactly fits the astronomical 'earth's tilt'. No wonder it was approved by the government of India.

Regards,

Ashutosh

-

crystal pages

Saturday, 03 June, 2006 04:41

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