Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Hi Tarun I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge who could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN. the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego quotient] where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one in the family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you can dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake calander] quite different from others. and say could not agree comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos. no scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on storry telling these are true ones though DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line in red] they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never say Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander but Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the state and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other one resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. their mud slinging is of unique depths. ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst > wrote: Dear RR ji, yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since varanasi was key centre for astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par Varanasi.(as wht i know) Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used before lahiri placed his ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making chart in ancient times. i think this question is still unanswered. Thanks and Regards Tarun www.thevinayak.com --- crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not Varanasi! > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I remember > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla temple and > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > RR > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> > wrote: > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman ayanamsa > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much near > to equator in comparison to > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his calculations) so > the diff is easily expected. > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > time:- 10.35 am > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows rahu in > 9th . > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and if i > consider true node then too my > > chart changes. > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because venus and > ketu dont give much better > > results as she is descibing. > > > > thanks and regards > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu and > venus > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if using > Raman > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another conundrum! > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same sign and > > > house (9th) > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in different > signs :- > > > ) > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us against > yet > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon -- > kidhar > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and comment > on > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true nodes? > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, isn't > Jyotish > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for lifetimes? > How > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely interested > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would rather > keep > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but only > lie in > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus ketu > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even being > worst in > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord 3rd and > 6th > > > house. > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. and that > too > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as mars in > 5th > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > that. > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely make > him to > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > jupiter as > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god blessings even > being > > > very > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted towards him > to > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any boy can > easily > > > have a > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love marriage,but our > > > guruji > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in 7th wont > allow > > > him > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very good one, u > can > > > view > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world happening much > before > > > they > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers crashing, > killing > > > of > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination often shows > the > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other astrologers can find > it > > > out > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Prashant ji, thanks for sharing this knowledge to me. I never thought that so politics was there even in the ayanamsa concept. Thanks and Best Regards Tarun Agarwal www.thevinayak.com --- Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > Hi Tarun > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to Lahiri stepping in and > pushing his own, this is like a judge who could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. > HIS OWN. > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric problem there are quite a few > thoughts based on their EQ [ego quotient] > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no corrections took place ever and if > a mistake was made by one in the family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you > can dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi etc groups each had a > different Panbu panchangam [or snake calander] quite different from others. and say could not > agree comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at different months variation, > eclipses and all others in chaos. no scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable > one which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on storry telling these are true ones > though > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or Privay Council as it was > called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups > in them Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function there was a > dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava > mark > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line in red] > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to the PC [prviy council]. so > that being the case you can never say Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our > calander but Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's crecent on a > different days and have a different holiday the state and Central govt has. all laws are fo > Hindus only. > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, are meeting in the assembly > after 17 yrs normally the other one resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. > their mud slinging is of unique depths. > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst > wrote: Dear RR ji, > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since varanasi was key centre for > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used before lahiri placed his > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making chart in ancient times. > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > --- crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote: > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not Varanasi! > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I remember > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla temple and > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman ayanamsa > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much near > > to equator in comparison to > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his calculations) so > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows rahu in > > 9th . > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and if i > > consider true node then too my > > > chart changes. > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because venus and > > ketu dont give much better > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu and > > venus > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if using > > Raman > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another conundrum! > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same sign and > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in different > > signs :- > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us against > > yet > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon -- > > kidhar > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and comment > > on > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true nodes? > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, isn't > > Jyotish > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for lifetimes? > > How > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely interested > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would rather > > keep > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but only > > lie in > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus ketu > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even being > > worst in > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord 3rd and > > 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. and that > > too > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as mars in > > 5th > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > that. > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely make > > him to > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > > jupiter as > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 dear prashant ji is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your three decades of experience and since you are one of the founding members of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and sometimes i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the charts, especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these ayanamashas can make or break a chart. with best wishes pandit arjun , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar> wrote: > > Hi Tarun > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge who could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN. > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego quotient] > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one in the family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you can dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake calander] quite different from others. and say could not agree comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos. no scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on storry telling these are true ones though > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line in red] > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never say Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander but Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the state and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other one resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. their mud slinging is of unique depths. > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst> wrote: Dear RR ji, > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since varanasi was key centre for > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used before lahiri placed his > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making chart in ancient times. > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > --- crystal pages <rrgb> wrote: > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not Varanasi! > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I remember > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla temple and > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman ayanamsa > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much near > > to equator in comparison to > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his calculations) so > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows rahu in > > 9th . > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and if i > > consider true node then too my > > > chart changes. > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because venus and > > ketu dont give much better > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu and > > venus > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if using > > Raman > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another conundrum! > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same sign and > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in different > > signs :- > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us against > > yet > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon - - > > kidhar > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and comment > > on > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true nodes? > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, isn't > > Jyotish > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for lifetimes? > > How > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely interested > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would rather > > keep > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but only > > lie in > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus ketu > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even being > > worst in > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord 3rd and > > 6th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. and that > > too > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as mars in > > 5th > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > that. > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely make > > him to > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > > jupiter as > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god blessings even > > being > > > > very > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted towards him > > to > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any boy can > > easily > > > > have a > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love marriage,but our > > > > guruji > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in 7th wont > > allow > > > > him > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very good one, u > > can > > > > view > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world happening much > > before > > > > they > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers crashing, > > killing > > > > of > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination often shows > > the > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other astrologers can find > > it > > > > out > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > === message truncated === > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 *Ayanamsha* *Tropical and the sidereal system*** v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same on its starting date. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0221, 22:49:07 IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Fagan Bradley 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 18° 57' 8˜ Ascendant Virgo *18° 57' 28˜*** Sun Capricorn 11° 41' 31˜ Sun Capricorn *11° 41' 51˜*** Moon Virgo 24° 2' 42˜ Moon Virgo *24° 3' 2˜*** Mars Aries 3° 10' 53˜ Mars Aries *3° 11' 12˜*** Mercury Sagittarius 20° 20' 36˜ Mercury Sagittarius *20° 20' 55˜*** Jupiter Aries 11° 7' 34˜ Jupiter Aries *11° 7' 53˜*** Venus Capricorn 5° 53' 34˜ Venus Capricorn *5° 53' 53˜*** Saturn Sagittarius 7° 14' 17˜ Saturn Sagittarius *7° 14' 36˜*** Rahu Pisces 3° 15' 29˜ Rahu Pisces *3° 15' 48˜*** Ketu Virgo 3° 15' 29˜ Ketu Virgo *3° 15' 48˜*** Uranus Scorpio 24° 42' 42˜ Uranus Scorpio *24° 43' 1˜*** Neptune Pisces 20° 21' 17˜ Neptune Pisces *20° 21' 37˜*** Pluto Leo 0° 18' 49˜ Pluto Leo *0° 19' 8˜*** Date of coincidences 22/03/0285, 22:49:07 IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Lahiri 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Scorpio 27° 49' 0 Ascendant Scorpio *27° 49' 7˜*** Sun Aries 1° 57' 16 Sun Aries *1° 57' 23˜*** Moon Pisces 21° 2' 59 Moon Pisces *21° 3' 6˜*** Mars Taurus 29° 36' 55 Mars Taurus *29° 37' 1˜*** Mercury Pisces 25° 8' 12 Mercury Pisces *25° 8' 19˜*** Jupiter Virgo 16° 22' 59˜ Jupiter Virgo *16° 23' 6˜*** Venus Aries 20° 46' 21˜ Venus Aries *20° 46' 28˜*** Saturn Aquarius 9° 7' 57˜ Saturn Aquarius *9° 8' 4˜*** Rahu Virgo 21° 7' 42˜ Rahu Virgo *21° 7' 49˜*** Ketu Pisces 21° 7' 42˜ Ketu Pisces *21° 7' 49˜*** Uranus Leo 20° 47' 24˜ Uranus Leo *20° 47' 31*** Neptune Leo 13° 26' 5˜ Neptune Leo *13° 26' 12˜*** Pluto Sagittarius 27° 31' 36˜ Pluto Sagittarius *27° 31' 43˜*** *Ayanamsha* *Tropical and the sidereal system*** v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same on its starting date. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0397, 22:49:0 IST GMT 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Raman 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 20° 7' 27˜ Ascendant Virgo *20° 1' 21˜*** Sun Capricorn 11° 55' 50˜ Sun Capricorn *11° 49' 44˜*** Moon Cancer 20° 55' 25˜ Moon Cancer *20° 49' 18˜*** Mars Sagittarius 10° 58' 42˜ Mars Sagittarius *10° 52' 36˜*** Mercury Aquarius 0° 25' 25˜ Mercury Aquarius *0° 19' 18˜*** Jupiter Aquarius 14° 42' 42˜ Jupiter Aquarius *14° 36' 35˜*** Venus Capricorn 19° 29' 38˜ Venus Capricorn *19° 23' 32˜*** Saturn Sagittarius 2° 24' 27˜ Saturn Sagittarius *2° 18' 20˜*** Rahu Virgo 19° 6' 31˜ Rahu Virgo *19° 0' 24˜*** Ketu Pisces 19° 6' 31˜ Ketu Pisces *19° 0' 24˜*** Uranus Sagittarius 28° 57' 13˜ Uranus Sagittarius *28° 51' 6˜*** Neptune Aries 17° 42' 17˜ Neptune Aries *17° 36' 11˜*** Pluto Taurus 7° 23' 45˜ Pluto Taurus *7° 17' 39˜*** Date of coincidences 01/01/0499, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Yukteswar 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 20° 22' 16˜ Ascendant Virgo *20° 18' 47˜*** Sun Capricorn 12° 9' 55˜ Sun Capricorn *12° 6' 27˜*** Moon Aquarius 17° 58' 16˜ Moon Aquarius *17° 54' 48˜*** Mars Aquarius 9° 35' 21˜ Mars Aquarius *9° 31' 52˜*** Mercury Sagittarius 24° 6' 11˜ Mercury Sagittarius *24° 2' 43˜*** Jupiter Libra 9° 49' 5˜ Jupiter Libra *9° 45' 37˜*** Venus Sagittarius 20° 6' 56˜ Venus Sagittarius *20° 3' 27˜*** Saturn Taurus 8° 21' 57˜ Saturn Taurus *8° 18' 28˜*** Rahu Pisces 26° 15' 2˜ Rahu Pisces *26° 11' 34˜*** Ketu Virgo 26° 15' 2˜ Ketu Virgo *26° 11' 34˜*** Uranus Pisces 8° 47' 40˜ Uranus Pisces *8° 44' 12˜*** Neptune Sagittarius 4° 39' 44˜ Neptune Sagittarius *4° 36' 15˜*** Pluto Libra 13° 31' 36˜ Pluto Libra *13° 28' 8˜*** *Ayanamsha* *Tropical and the sidereal system*** v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same on its starting date. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0291, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Krishnamurti 0:0:0, Degrees Ascendant Virgo 18° 59' 4˜ Ascendant Virgo *18° 59' 20˜ *** Sun Capricorn 11° 40' 48˜ Sun Capricorn *11° 41' 3*** Moon Cancer 2° 35' 24˜ Moon Cancer *2° 35' 40˜*** Mars Leo 9° 8' 58˜ Mars Leo *9° 9' 13˜*** Mercury Capricorn 24° 47' 46˜ Mercury Capricorn *24° 48' 2˜*** Jupiter Pisces 5° 19' 3˜ Jupiter Pisces *5° 19' 18˜*** Venus Sagittarius 5° 18' 40˜ Venus Sagittarius *5° 18' 55˜*** Saturn Aries 11° 7' 37˜ Saturn Aries *11° 7' 52˜*** Rahu Taurus 29° 20' 20˜ Rahu Taurus *29° 20' 35˜*** Ketu Scorpio 29° 20' 20˜ Ketu Scorpio *29° 20' 35˜*** Uranus Virgo 22° 53' 54˜ Uranus Virgo *22° 54' 9˜*** Neptune Leo 28° 50' 17˜ Neptune Leo *28° 50' 33˜*** Pluto Capricorn 6° 23' 40˜ Pluto Capricorn *6° 23' 56˜*** Date of coincidences 01/01/1155, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Tarun Chopra 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 23° 42' 31˜ Ascendant Virgo 23° 42' 31˜ Sun Capricorn 10° 47' 10˜ Sun Capricorn 10° 47' 10˜ Moon Leo 24° 12' 16˜ Moon Leo 24° 12' 16˜ Mars Sagittarius 16° 48' 41˜ Mars Sagittarius 16° 48' 41˜ Mercury Capricorn 1° 13' 10˜ Mercury Capricorn 1° 13' 10˜ Jupiter Capricorn 21° 2' 37˜ Jupiter Capricorn 21° 2' 37˜ Venus Aquarius 7° 16' 33˜ Venus Aquarius 7° 16' 33˜ Saturn Virgo 13° 57' 51˜ Saturn Virgo 13° 57' 51˜ Rahu Sagittarius 28° 18' 44˜ Rahu Sagittarius 28° 18' 44˜ Ketu Gemini 28° 18' 44˜ Ketu Gemini 28° 18' 44˜ Uranus Capricorn 15° 14' 11˜ Uranus Capricorn 15° 14' 11˜ Neptune Sagittarius 7° 23' 6˜ Neptune Sagittarius 7° 23' 6˜ Pluto Gemini 3° 0' 1˜ Pluto Gemini 3° 0' 1˜ *Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha is 01/01/1155 and precession rate is 50.2719seconds / year * On 6/2/06, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun ji, > > I have also shared some of these inputs directly and indirectly with > many in person and in the groups like these the most remarkable one being > of ICAS founder Secy sri Late K. Ashwattappa, who had contemopt for Raman > like all others here as it was fashionable to do so by ciritising any > pouplar person, and so for his ayanamsa MOST OF HIS critics do not even > know the difference between Lahiri and Raman's in terms of deg- min- sec > and MAJORITY HAVE NEVER TESTED IT either, just prejueice, jealous of him.. > > But my association with him for over 15 yrs he felt he must try it and > did test them randomly and fouind in many cases Rahu Dasa or Ketu Dasa at > the end giving Good results than their earlier part once he shifted the > ayanamsa found it is Guru, or Sukra periods that gave the right results as > Subha phala need not wait til then end of the dasa to deliver. eve Ketu or > Rahu if well place can give at start not in tail end. THIS I HAVE THE > BENIFIT OF MNEXT GURU S SUBBANNA, AWHO GOT IT FROM HIS GURU they are Mysore > Maharaja's asthana Jyotishis for generations. > > SO ANYONE WITH AN OPEN MID IF THEY TYR IT CAN GET GOOD RESULTS it is > open to them no vested interests, except that we want the subject to have > its good tols an dusers benifit if they try, it is possible they can stillg > et good results in this or anyother left to ones intution, instincts, > knowledge, in RAMAN' success we know we ar einthe right track so lets move > along, and he hsued the traditional ones which even westerners beofe his > birth have acknowledged as the genius of INDIAN TRADITION's (Vedic) > RICHNESS. > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear prashant ji > > is is so nice of you to share your astro knolwedge from your three > decades of experience and since you are one of the founding members > of ICAS, your inputs are always lessons for amateurs. > > earlier i was using lahiri for the past several years and sometimes > i did not get them right inlcuidng my own. however, after your > advise, i started using raman's ayanamsha and am getting the charts, > especially dasa periods, more accurately. unfortunately, these > ayanamashas can make or break a chart. > > with best wishes > pandit arjun > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > > Hi Tarun > > I had replied to you, there were 33 Ayanansa's in vouge prior to > Lahiri stepping in and pushing his own, this is like a judge who > could not undersand the case but yet gave a verdit. HIS OWN. > > > > the reason is numerous claims and counter claims to deal with > > > > esp in Tamil Nadu then Madras Province it more a tamil centric > problem there are quite a few thoughts based on their EQ [ego > quotient] > > where most of them are based on hapazard Vakya panchang no > corrections took place ever and if a mistake was made by one in the > family chain it continued as it was a brand name so no way you can > dispute it. there was Madurai, Kanchipuram, Srirangam, Tenkasi > etc groups each had a different Panbu panchangam [or snake > calander] quite different from others. and say could not agree > comming from one state where will the reminder in India agree? > > > > Even the tamils themselves had Gochara of Major planets at > different months variation, eclipses and all others in chaos. no > scientific basis. Lahiri brought in the Drik or verifiable one > which is caliculated on established astronomical principles at least. > > > > > > about TAMIL EGO QUOTENT if I follow the lead of RR here on > storry telling these are true ones though > > > > DURIGN THE BRITISH RAJ DAYS THE SUPREME COURT WAS IN LONDON or > Privay Council as it was called. dealt with a case of Iyangars a > group of Brahmins of the Vishnavas there are 2 groups in them > Vadagalai [Northern] and Thengalai [southern] in a temple function > there was a dispute how to Mark the temple elephant's forehaead > with a Y or U shaped Mark of the Vaishnava mark > > [Vadagalis Mark it as U and Tehengalais s Y with a middle line > in red] > > > > they had enough street brawls as Tamils do and finally went to > the PC [prviy council]. so that being the case you can never say > Lahiri had a easy job at least he standadrised our calander but > Islam is free in India each state Imam can see the same Moon's > crecent on a different days and have a different holiday the state > and Central govt has. all laws are fo Hindus only. > > > > BTW the Tamil EQ's latest M karunadhi and former CM. Ms JJ, > are meeting in the assembly after 17 yrs normally the other one > resigns if they loose and don't face each other directly. their mud > slinging is of unique depths. > > > > ~~Tarun~~ <tarun_vst wrote: Dear RR ji, > > > > yes Shri Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in calcutta but since > varanasi was key centre for > > astrology so the calculations were observed and studied as par > Varanasi.(as wht i know) > > > > Actually sometimes a question arises that what panchang was used > before lahiri placed his > > ayanamasa, what was the base of calculations used while making > chart in ancient times. > > > > i think this question is still unanswered. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Tarun > > www.thevinayak.com > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb wrote: > > > > > I think Nirmal Chandra Lahiri ji lived in Calcutta and not > Varanasi! > > > > > > Not that it makes that big a difference longitudinally or > > > latitudinally but could mean several hours of journey, if I > remember > > > correctly between Baba Vishwanath or Sankatmochan or Birla > temple and > > > oh say Dakshineshwar or Kalibari! ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > <tarun_vst@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > no problem at all. you are very senior to me. > > > > > > > > sir even in my chart i have the same prob.. if i use raman > ayanamsa > > > my dasha changes by 18 months. > > > > the rahu placement in my chart also changes. > > > > > > > > actually raman livd in south india and his location was much > near > > > to equator in comparison to > > > > Kashi viswanath (base frm where Lahiri gave his > calculations) so > > > the diff is easily expected. > > > > > > > > my dob 19-07-1983 > > > > time:- 10.35 am > > > > place:- Jodhpur Rajasthan > > > > > > > > sir one shows mars rahu combination in 10th and one shows > rahu in > > > 9th . > > > > > > > > i was always confused abt whom to follow. > > > > > > > > but if we consider mean node then too my chart changes and > if i > > > consider true node then too my > > > > chart changes. > > > > > > > > but as far as for Miss astro. > > > > > > > > i wil say venus ketu combination is not matching .because > venus and > > > ketu dont give much better > > > > results as she is descibing. > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > > <my apologies for mistyping your name as Varun last time!> > > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting situation indeed, because ketu > and > > > venus > > > > > though in different signs are hardly 3 degrees apart if > using > > > Raman > > > > > ayanamsha, but if using Lahiri we run into another > conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > If you are using true nodes, ketu and venus are in same > sign and > > > > > house (9th) > > > > > > > > > > BUT, if one is using mean nodes,then the two are in > different > > > signs :- > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Miss Astro for sharing this chart that brings us > against > > > yet > > > > > another wall in Jyotish -- "idhar jaaoon yaa udhar jaaoon - > - > > > kidhar > > > > > jaoon?" as some poet said! :-) > > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that since you did not react strongly and > comment > > > on > > > > > the two being in different sign, that you utilize true > nodes? > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha, equal vs unequal houses, mean vs true nodes, > isn't > > > Jyotish > > > > > rich with material that will keep us all engaged for > lifetimes? > > > How > > > > > much work there is to be done, by so few sincerely > interested > > > > > individuals on this Jyotish Island! And yet some would > rather > > > keep > > > > > griping and whining about problems that do not exists but > only > > > lie in > > > > > their (mis)perception! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > well love happens when 5th lord is strong. > > > > > > but first thing is that...frm which angle you find venus > ketu > > > > > combination in his chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > i m using lahiri ayanamsa to analyse. > > > > > > > > > > > > he is spiritual because guru is aspecting lagna even > being > > > worst in > > > > > 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > currently his buddha dasha is commencing which is lord > 3rd and > > > 6th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > one more combination of moon+mercury is in his chart. > and that > > > too > > > > > is a dobutful combination but > > > > > > as moon is in amavasya then its effects are null. > > > > > > > > > > > > about love marriage...its impossible in his chart.as > mars in > > > 5th > > > > > house so it wont make him to do > > > > > > that. > > > > > > 7th lord and 9th lord has exchange and that will surely > make > > > him to > > > > > get in arrange marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > i hope other astrologers will also guide my answers > > > > > > > > > > > > well he himself know abt the effects of 5th mars and 7th > > > jupiter as > > > > > per lal kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- miss_astro19 <miss_astro19@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob--- 26/11/1981 > > > > > > > tob--- 16.08 > > > > > > > pob--- ajmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is very very shy of girls, and with god blessings > even > > > being > > > > > very > > > > > > > smart and intelligent no girl has got attracted > towards him > > > to > > > > > > > distract him, and tht too in this age where any boy > can > > > easily > > > > > have a > > > > > > > gf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many astrologers told he will have a love > marriage,but our > > > > > guruji > > > > > > > said tht his shukra his weakest, and jupiter in 7th > wont > > > allow > > > > > him > > > > > > > marriage wht to say abt love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is an astrologer himself, and tht too very good > one, u > > > can > > > > > view > > > > > > > his posts on lalkitab group.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his dreams come true, he saw many world happening > much > > > before > > > > > they > > > > > > > occured in his derams, like worl trade towers > crashing, > > > killing > > > > > of > > > > > > > abdul ghani loan, sunami etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , ~~Tarun~~ > > > <tarun_vst@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well i cant say about him. But this combination > often shows > > > the > > > > > > > described things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can u provide his chart so tht other astrologers can > find > > > it > > > > > out > > > > > > > the reason of him being good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bye > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://in.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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