Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Shiva Bhakts, I would like to state my own humble understanding about how prayer operates. It is also based on Swami Dayananda Saraswati's articles on the web. Please correct me and/or add more to it. It would be very useful for everybody. If I look at it very objectively, God is not a human who would be pleased if somebody remembers him or chants a mantra in his praise day in and day out. If God is pleased just becaused I chanted his name, then he is a human not a God. Take another scenario - is Shiva pleased just because a person is wearing a certain mukhi rudraksha ? Won't that be like one human pleased by the praise of a another human. So how does prayer work ? Prayer is a submission - a submission to a higher, invisible, infinite power - to the law of Karma. In proportion to the humility, submission and faith, the prayer yields results. Acknowledgement of the supreme consciousness and understanding helps a person discover his/her own Atman and draw on the infinite resources of Atman. Please comment. regards, Om Namah Shivaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dear mahadev, Let me share what I know about the prayer, I am not having that much experience/deep knowledge in sprituality. Just I want to share what I know and my little bit experience or knowledge got from guruji's 1) rudraksha - is not to wear to gain physical gains from the supreme. As it has its own vibrations we can wear and we can improve our sakthi points ( energy levels) during meditation. For that we must know the what kind of rudraksh is suitable for us, the vibrations vary with reference with the bead lines which rudraksh having. For more imformation you can refer www.rudraksh-ratna.com web site. I am not promoting via business wise for them. But some informations are there in the site regarding rudraksh and its properties are useful occording to me. 2) According to my guru , prayer not to made for pysical properties like money , pleasure, or any thing. just pray to find the supreme within you. That will give u enomourous energy to attain what are all the things you want according to your karma. for yogi's siva is with in themselfs, they need not go to temples or anywhere else inorder to seeking god. For us is not easy because we are not that much matured because of our karma . So our guruji's created temples as sakthi points where we can go there and re-energies our soul. But the purpose of temples are now become commercial so that we are not able to realise the changes which made with in us because of the temple visit. In Bakthi marga as you told we can pray for physical things ( such like money,pleasure etc., ) for that you must immence in to that and strongly belive in the god, for faith make changes with in you and yield what you what. For that u must surrender yourself in to the supreme soul whomsoever it may be. But the tragedy is we are not that much maturity. For example we go to one temple for sake of a reason, somebody will ask us to go there your desire will be fulfilled, immediatly we left the first place and go and worshipe the second temple. But GOD is the SAME right ? With this mentality only we are suffering a lot. Our VEDA's are gave a path to attain anything during our life cycle, but which path we are choosing is and how faithfully we are following, sure we will get the benefit out of it. last but not least DO THE PRAYER WITH OUT ANY ANTICIPATION OR DEMAND sure what is going to happened will happen to U. I saw lot of pandit ji's and mahan's part in this group , if I am wrong please correct me so that i can move one step further in understanding the GOD OM NAMA SHIVAYA Saravanan.T mahadevadvaita <mahadevadvaita > wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Shiva Bhakts, I would like to state my own humble understanding about how prayer operates. It is also based on Swami Dayananda Saraswati's articles on the web. Please correct me and/or add more to it. It would be very useful for everybody. If I look at it very objectively, God is not a human who would be pleased if somebody remembers him or chants a mantra in his praise day in and day out. If God is pleased just becaused I chanted his name, then he is a human not a God. Take another scenario - is Shiva pleased just because a person is wearing a certain mukhi rudraksha ? Won't that be like one human pleased by the praise of a another human. So how does prayer work ? Prayer is a submission - a submission to a higher, invisible, infinite power - to the law of Karma. In proportion to the humility, submission and faith, the prayer yields results. Acknowledgement of the supreme consciousness and understanding helps a person discover his/her own Atman and draw on the infinite resources of Atman. Please comment. regards, Om Namah Shivaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 dear shiv bhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya various views on usage of mantras and the logic behind them exist. in reality, each mantra (if correctly pronounced after initiation by a guru) has the power to activate the seven energy centres (chakras) which otherwise remain dormant. there is a whole lot of scientific logic behind each syllable. there are five points in the mouth cave and the tongue touches these five points. also the vayu (air) we breathe is divided into five types corresponding with the five elements. similarly rudraksha also activate the energy centres. in my own research and experience, i found the 12mukh rudraksha representing sun works the best in activating the central anahata chakra. the 14mukh rudraksha, if worn at the ajna chakra portion (mid forehead) and then meditated, it also found activating the ajna chakra. praying a god in a form or shape at a temple makes the native submissive with humility and helps shed his ego. there are two views presented to seekers of truth and both are true. one is that god exist everywhere (omnipresent) and you can worship in any form or shape. another view is that god does not exist somewhere outside but he is within you and the soul itself has two attachments viz. jeevatma and paramatma. the jeeva is related to the native. the same are explained under pravritti and nivritti. instead of choosing which one is good or better, one shall do whatever he is comfortable with, for all paths lead to the same god. in praise of lord shiva and with best wishes pandit arjun , saravanan T <ptamilsara> wrote: > > Dear mahadev, > Let me share what I know about the prayer, I am not having that much experience/deep knowledge in sprituality. Just I want to share what I know and my little bit experience or knowledge got from guruji's > > 1) rudraksha - is not to wear to gain physical gains from the supreme. As it has its own vibrations we can wear and we can improve our sakthi points ( energy levels) during meditation. For that we must know the what kind of rudraksh is suitable for us, the vibrations vary with reference with the bead lines which rudraksh having. For more imformation you can refer www.rudraksh-ratna.com web site. I am not promoting via business wise for them. But some informations are there in the site regarding rudraksh and its properties are useful occording to me. > > 2) According to my guru , prayer not to made for pysical properties like money , pleasure, or any thing. just pray to find the supreme within you. That will give u enomourous energy to attain what are all the things you want according to your karma. for yogi's siva is with in themselfs, they need not go to temples or anywhere else inorder to seeking god. For us is not easy because we are not that much matured because of our karma . So our guruji's created temples as sakthi points where we can go there and re-energies our soul. But the purpose of temples are now become commercial so that we are not able to realise the changes which made with in us because of the temple visit. In Bakthi marga as you told we can pray for physical things ( such like money,pleasure etc., ) for that you must immence in to that and strongly belive in the god, for faith make changes with in you and yield what you what. For that u must surrender yourself in to the supreme soul whomsoever it may > be. But the tragedy is we are not that much maturity. For example we go to one temple for sake of a reason, somebody will ask us to go there your desire will be fulfilled, immediatly we left the first place and go and worshipe the second temple. But GOD is the SAME right ? With this mentality only we are suffering a lot. Our VEDA's are gave a path to attain anything during our life cycle, but which path we are choosing is and how faithfully we are following, sure we will get the benefit out of it. > > last but not least > > DO THE PRAYER WITH OUT ANY ANTICIPATION OR DEMAND > > sure what is going to happened will happen to U. > > I saw lot of pandit ji's and mahan's part in this group , if I am wrong please correct me so that i can move one step further in understanding the GOD > > OM NAMA SHIVAYA > > Saravanan.T > > > > > mahadevadvaita <mahadevadvaita> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > Dear Shiva Bhakts, I would like to state my own humble understanding > about how prayer operates. It is also based on Swami Dayananda > Saraswati's articles on the web. Please correct me and/or add more > to it. It would be very useful for everybody. If I look at it very > objectively, God is not a human who would be pleased if somebody > remembers him or chants a mantra in his praise day in and day out. > If God is pleased just becaused I chanted his name, then he is a > human not a God. Take another scenario - is Shiva pleased just > because a person is wearing a certain mukhi rudraksha ? Won't that > be like one human pleased by the praise of a another human. So how > does prayer work ? Prayer is a submission - a submission to a > higher, invisible, infinite power - to the law of Karma. In > proportion to the humility, submission and faith, the prayer yields > results. Acknowledgement of the supreme consciousness and > understanding helps a person discover his/her own Atman and draw on > the infinite resources of Atman. > > Please comment. > > regards, > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Dear saravanan ji, I am agree with your guruji's statements. regards, dhruv saravanan T <ptamilsara (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear mahadev, Let me share what I know about the prayer, I am not having that much experience/deep knowledge in sprituality. Just I want to share what I know and my little bit experience or knowledge got from guruji's 1) rudraksha - is not to wear to gain physical gains from the supreme. As it has its own vibrations we can wear and we can improve our sakthi points ( energy levels) during meditation. For that we must know the what kind of rudraksh is suitable for us, the vibrations vary with reference with the bead lines which rudraksh having. For more imformation you can refer www.rudraksh-ratna.com web site. I am not promoting via business wise for them. But some informations are there in the site regarding rudraksh and its properties are useful occording to me. 2) According to my guru , prayer not to made for pysical properties like money , pleasure, or any thing. just pray to find the supreme within you. That will give u enomourous energy to attain what are all the things you want according to your karma. for yogi's siva is with in themselfs, they need not go to temples or anywhere else inorder to seeking god. For us is not easy because we are not that much matured because of our karma . So our guruji's created temples as sakthi points where we can go there and re-energies our soul. But the purpose of temples are now become commercial so that we are not able to realise the changes which made with in us because of the temple visit. In Bakthi marga as you told we can pray for physical things ( such like money,pleasure etc., ) for that you must immence in to that and strongly belive in the god, for faith make changes with in you and yield what you what. For that u must surrender yourself in to the supreme soul whomsoever it may be. But the tragedy is we are not that much maturity. For example we go to one temple for sake of a reason, somebody will ask us to go there your desire will be fulfilled, immediatly we left the first place and go and worshipe the second temple. But GOD is the SAME right ? With this mentality only we are suffering a lot. Our VEDA's are gave a path to attain anything during our life cycle, but which path we are choosing is and how faithfully we are following, sure we will get the benefit out of it. last but not least DO THE PRAYER WITH OUT ANY ANTICIPATION OR DEMAND sure what is going to happened will happen to U. I saw lot of pandit ji's and mahan's part in this group , if I am wrong please correct me so that i can move one step further in understanding the GOD OM NAMA SHIVAYA Saravanan.T mahadevadvaita <mahadevadvaita > wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Shiva Bhakts, I would like to state my own humble understanding about how prayer operates. It is also based on Swami Dayananda Saraswati's articles on the web. Please correct me and/or add more to it. It would be very useful for everybody. If I look at it very objectively, God is not a human who would be pleased if somebody remembers him or chants a mantra in his praise day in and day out. If God is pleased just becaused I chanted his name, then he is a human not a God. Take another scenario - is Shiva pleased just because a person is wearing a certain mukhi rudraksha ? Won't that be like one human pleased by the praise of a another human. So how does prayer work ? Prayer is a submission - a submission to a higher, invisible, infinite power - to the law of Karma. In proportion to the humility, submission and faith, the prayer yields results. Acknowledgement of the supreme consciousness and understanding helps a person discover his/her own Atman and draw on the infinite resources of Atman. Please comment. regards, Om Namah Shivaya India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger Download now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya Namaste Pandit-ji, Thanks for responding. Please see inline. regards, Om Namah Shivaya > various views on usage of mantras and the logic behind them exist. > in reality, each mantra (if correctly pronounced after initiation by > a guru) has the power to activate the seven energy centres (chakras) > which otherwise remain dormant. there is a whole lot of scientific logic behind each syllable. there are five points in the mouth cave and the tongue touches these five points. also the vayu (air) we > breathe is divided into five types corresponding with the five elements. That is very interesting. Is there any literature available on this - online or otherwise. I always thought the very name of God - brings auspiciousness and purifies the mind. A purer antahakaran by itself brings the Lord's grace. > > similarly rudraksha also activate the energy centres. in my own > research and experience, i found the 12mukh rudraksha representing > sun works the best in activating the central anahata chakra. the > 14mukh rudraksha, if worn at the ajna chakra portion (mid forehead) and then meditated, it also found activating the ajna chakra. > Yes as you know, I have myself experienced this after I bought the 12mukhi from you. Can the effect of the rudraksha diminish due to mental impurities in the wearer or the person just gets used to the energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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