Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Dear Tatvam-Asi,RR,Pandit Arjun,Prafulla Gang Jai Shree Ram Tatvam-Asi wrote: "Why not call the combination as Guru-Satya yog or Guru-Kaal yog ? read my works on Rahu-Ketu(They are one for me)and Universal number 142. Then you will understand my thoughts. By the way, you also have GTY in 7th house.And you would be starting Rahu dasa in 2008." Anil: Which classic gives Guru Chandaal Yog? Is GTY always bad? I have Rahu+Shani in 11th in Meen. "read my works on Universal number 142" Anil: I don't know its location but is it Rahoo(4) between Ravi(1) and Chandr(1) indicating obstruction of light? "Rahu as per my thinking stands for that universal North South magnatic force which always exists in universe." Anil: I do not agree to such new ideas unless proved by logic. In any case, Now the North South magnatic force is weakest in past few thousand years and its intensity is reducing very fast. Scientists believe that polarity of earth is changing and this process will continue untill north pole will become south and south pole becomes north. So there is a change! Even with this defination,Rahoo is not truth.If your point is true,it means that Rahu is becoming weak. I don't think that Rahu has weaken. "Guru is destructible and Rahu can never be destroyed because Rahu is Satya, The Truth" Anil: None is truth. Only Brahm Satyam. Jagat Mithya. As a promoter of Rahoo-Paddhati,I can understand your resistance for using the word Chandal for Rahu. This is why I asked for classical reference. But will it be correct if we call a barber as president? Rahoo is not Kaal. Kaal is forward moving Rahoo is backward. Kaal is also upgrah(son) of Sun. You can imagine the destruction when Rahu joins son of his enemy. Grah/house/sign etc. joining Kaal and Rahu are completely destroyed. ---- -- RR wrote: "does anyone know of any documented influence of eclipses in places where they were 'seen' as being stronger (or not) than in places where they were not visible?" Anil: In India,if eclipse is not visible,rituals related to it are not observed. Isn't it practical proof? Visibility is very important in jyotish. This is why combust planets are bad/useless.Uranus etc. are not included for exactly the same reason because ordinary people can not see them so interpretation/verification will not be possible. Afterall job of Vedchakshu is to See. ---- -- Pandit Arjun wrote: "guru needs no advocates to show that he is the best amongst all planets.however, let me put my own understanding:" Anil: I agree. Guru's aspect is always good. 1. as per astronomy, rahu and ketu are non-existing planets. Anil: As per astronomy,there was a planet(Rahu) between Mars and Jupiter. Once a big planet striked with it and it turned into pieces.These are still revolving around Sun in the form of a belt. Some parts managed to escape but were caught by Sun's gravity and became commets(Ketu). This theory beautifully matches cutting of Rahu's head by Sudarshan Chakr resulting in formation of Rahu and Ketu. If you try to see order of planets in Vinshottary Dasha,you will find that it is according to placement of planets in solar orbits with earth replaced by Sun. Let me explain: on one side of earth we have planets Mars,(Rahu),Jupiter,Saturn. On other side we have Venus,(Ketu),Mercury. Rahu is after one planet mars so by symmetry,ketu is after one planet Venus.This is to ensure that they can balance each other. Now earth being reference/origin for Jyotish,we replace earth by Sun. Since moon is also part of earth,we can write the final sequence as: Sun,Moon,Mars,Rahu,Jupiter,Saturn,Mercury,Ketu,Venus. This will complete the circle and after Venus we again have Earth. This is well known order of Vinshottary Dasha. Today we use this order but calculate nodes by intersection of orbits of Moon and earth(Sun). This is also explained in the story of Samudr- Manthan. Rahu shifted from its place and sat batween Sun and Moon to get Amrit. This is why his position is obtained from intersection. Note that Mohini Avatar could not eclipse his mind and he actually succeeded in drinking Amrit! 2. as per mythology, rahu and ketu were given only planetary status and they are not planets. Anil: Planets are divided inti 3 types. (1)Luminaries(that give light) (2)Tara-Grah(5 planets indicating Panch-Tatwas) (3)Tamo grah(that block light) Universe is aperfect mix of possitive and negative. This is necessary for its stability and smooth operation and hence (3) is must to counter(1). Nodes definately have status of planets.What you said is from western astrology. Vedic-astrology has always considered them as Grahas. In all rituals, Nav-Grah-Pooja is compulsory. 3. rahu and ketu do not form any yogas at all as per samhitas and hence no conjunction results with rahu and ketu were given in various samhitas written by sages.(medieval and modern books are not reckoned) Anil: This is not correct. If you read BPHS,you will see them very frequently.Latter writers neglected them to some extent.Rajyogas formed by nodes are given in BPHS. 4. since rahu and ketu do not own any houses nor have any exaltation or debilitation points, they do not have individual results either for rasi or bhava. Anil: BPHS clearly gives their ownership/exaltation/mooltrikon. Some other books give longitudes too. Their Karakatwas are also given by sage Parashar and Jamini. Rahu/Ketu are Tamo-Grah meaning darkness. Can you see in dark? This is why we have to take help of other things. 5. "rahu and ketu are first rank malefics which can only give negative results.the best part of modern astrologers is that they can project even the worst negative results in a positive language. for example when few bhavas are spoilt by rahu, the person goes to a distant thrown off lands in a different religion, living habits and various things different to the native's homeland.so instead of saying that the native goes to the farthest land to earn his bread and eke his livelihood as he could not succeed in getting these in his own homeland, the modern astrologers have started painting that if rahu is in this or that house or aspects or influences these houses, the native succeeds or shines or settles in a foreign land. anyone can easily understand what is reality and what is colourful presentation of negative things." Anil: Don't you think malefics too give good results in 3,6,11th house? Rath says Rahu in trines to Aroodha gives material gains. In fact Rahu/ketu are opposite poles and show opposite things. Rahu shows worldly gains while Ketu blocks them. Similarly Ketu shows spiritual gains and Rahu blocks them. This behavior is common to all planets. They promote one thing and reduce other thing.Ashtak-Varg of nodes show that they are more benefic then Shani/Mangal but less then Sun. Regarding possitive painting,you are correct but that is again true for all planets. A planet(or any person) will try to see its influence on native. If natve willingly accepts that,he feels happy but when he is forced to do that,he becomes unhappy. This is cleverly used by some astrologers to reduce the suffering. When a native goes to forign- land,he definatly faces lots of troubles but he knows about them and his mind is ready to accept them willingly. For this reason,even though he suffers, he feels happy! This is why a person visits astrologer. "rahu represents darkness and deceit or mildly put "maya". jupiter represents truth or simply put light (light of knowledge)." Anil: Guru is Akash/Shabd/Gyan but Light comes only from Sun. Dev-Guru himself gives advise to devtas but still they are defeated in wars. Why? They again take birth after their Punyas are over. Why? Why not Devguru give them Light to become free from the cycles of rebirth? Now consider Shukracharya-Guru of Asuras.Under his guidance,Asuras not only enjoy heaven but after death, get Moksh and become free from cycles of rebirth. Who is better? Guru or Shukr? Every planet has his own good/bad side and has some sound reason.Only Lord Shiv and Rahu were able to escape the maya of Mohini. However Rahu cheated Mohini-Devi and became karaka for deceit! Is Rahu capable of cheating even Lord Vishnu? Who showed Light to Lord? Sun and Moon(who reflects light of Sun). "truly rahu is known for deceit." Anil: I agree but let me quote from BPHS: Varah Avatar is from Rahu and Vaman Avtar is from Guru. Now tell me who cheated! ---- -- Prafulla Gang wrote: " Money=Work / Knowledge Thus, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity, regardless of the amount of Work done." Anil: I became Prafullit by reading your proof: Laxmi rides Owl. Regarding Karakatwas, If you list Bhav-Karakas then Sun-1st Moon-4th Mars-3rd,6th Total-4 houses(Sur Grup) -------------- Mercury-10th Venus-7th Saturn-8th,12th Total-4 houses(Asur Grup) -------------- Guru-2nd,5th,9th,11th Total-4 houses(Guru alone) -------------- This is why Guru has so much importance. It is karak for 4 houses lord of 2 houses and can influence 4 houses by its placement and aspects. One can see only the relevent houses from Karkas but from Lagn,all houses can be seen. Vishesh Lagnas also have specific areas for interpretation. If Guru is in 2nd, "Karko bhav nashak" and "Sthan nash karo Jeev" both will operate and you will get negative results. In such cases see 2nd from Guru for Dhan. I agree with your idea to compile karakatwas. Please make it with respect to Bhav/Grah/Rashi/Nakshatr/Varg. Thanks. Anil OM TAT SAT ---- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Somewhere in your discussion you mention, that Shani Rahu completely destroy the house that they reside in - does this mean if the native has the combination in 9th it destroys the father, luck, guru and dharma..? On 5/31/06, aokedia <anilkedia (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Tatvam-Asi,RR,Pandit Arjun,Prafulla Gang > > Jai Shree Ram > > Tatvam-Asi wrote: > "Why not call the combination as Guru-Satya yog or Guru-Kaal yog ? > read my works on Rahu-Ketu(They are one for me)and Universal number > 142. > Then you will understand my thoughts. > By the way, you also have GTY in 7th house.And you would be starting > Rahu dasa in 2008." > > Anil: Which classic gives Guru Chandaal Yog? > Is GTY always bad? I have Rahu+Shani in 11th in Meen. > > "read my works on Universal number 142" > > Anil: I don't know its location but is it Rahoo(4) between Ravi(1) > and Chandr(1) indicating obstruction of light? > > "Rahu as per my thinking stands for that universal North South > magnatic force which always exists in universe." > > Anil: I do not agree to such new ideas unless proved by logic. In any > case, > Now the North South magnatic force is weakest in past few thousand > years > and its intensity is reducing very fast. Scientists believe that > polarity > of earth is changing and this process will continue untill north pole > will > become south and south pole becomes north. So there is a change! Even > with > this defination,Rahoo is not truth.If your point is true,it means that > Rahu is becoming weak. I don't think that Rahu has weaken. > > "Guru is destructible and Rahu can never be destroyed because Rahu is > Satya, The Truth" > > Anil: None is truth. Only Brahm Satyam. Jagat Mithya. > As a promoter of Rahoo-Paddhati,I can understand your resistance for > using > the word Chandal for Rahu. This is why I asked for classical > reference. > But will it be correct if we call a barber as president? Rahoo is not > Kaal. > Kaal is forward moving Rahoo is backward. Kaal is also upgrah(son) of > Sun. > You can imagine the destruction when Rahu joins son of his enemy. > Grah/house/sign etc. joining Kaal and Rahu are completely destroyed. > ---- > -- > RR wrote: > "does anyone know of any documented influence of > eclipses in places where they were 'seen' as being stronger (or not) > than in places where they were not visible?" > > Anil: In India,if eclipse is not visible,rituals related to it are not > observed. Isn't it practical proof? Visibility is very important in > jyotish. > This is why combust planets are bad/useless.Uranus etc. are not > included > for exactly the same reason because ordinary people can not see them > so > interpretation/verification will not be possible. > Afterall job of Vedchakshu is to See. > ---- > -- > Pandit Arjun wrote: > "guru needs no advocates to show that he is the best amongst all > planets.however, let me put my own understanding:" > Anil: I agree. Guru's aspect is always good. > > 1. as per astronomy, rahu and ketu are non-existing planets. > Anil: As per astronomy,there was a planet(Rahu) between Mars and > Jupiter. > Once a big planet striked with it and it turned into pieces.These are > still revolving around Sun in the form of a belt. Some parts managed > to > escape but were caught by Sun's gravity and became commets(Ketu). > This theory beautifully matches cutting of Rahu's head by Sudarshan > Chakr resulting in formation of Rahu and Ketu. If you try to see order > of planets in Vinshottary Dasha,you will find that it is according to > placement of planets in solar orbits with earth replaced by Sun. > Let me explain: > on one side of earth we have planets Mars,(Rahu),Jupiter,Saturn. > On other side we have Venus,(Ketu),Mercury. > Rahu is after one planet mars so by symmetry,ketu is after one planet > Venus.This is to ensure that they can balance each other. > Now earth being reference/origin for Jyotish,we replace earth by Sun. > Since moon is also part of earth,we can write the final sequence as: > Sun,Moon,Mars,Rahu,Jupiter,Saturn,Mercury,Ketu,Venus. This will > complete > the circle and after Venus we again have Earth. This is well known > order > of Vinshottary Dasha. > > Today we use this order but calculate nodes by intersection of orbits > of > Moon and earth(Sun). This is also explained in the story of Samudr- > Manthan. > Rahu shifted from its place and sat batween Sun and Moon to get Amrit. > This is why his position is obtained from intersection. > Note that Mohini Avatar could not eclipse his mind and he actually > succeeded in drinking Amrit! > > 2. as per mythology, rahu and ketu were given only planetary status > and they are not planets. > Anil: Planets are divided inti 3 types. > (1)Luminaries(that give light) > (2)Tara-Grah(5 planets indicating Panch-Tatwas) > (3)Tamo grah(that block light) > Universe is aperfect mix of possitive and negative. This is necessary > for its stability and smooth operation and hence (3) is must to > counter(1). > Nodes definately have status of planets.What you said is from western > astrology. Vedic-astrology has always considered them as Grahas. > In all rituals, Nav-Grah-Pooja is compulsory. > > 3. rahu and ketu do not form any yogas at all as per samhitas and > hence no conjunction results with rahu and ketu were given in > various samhitas written by sages.(medieval and modern books are not > reckoned) > Anil: This is not correct. If you read BPHS,you will see them very > frequently.Latter writers neglected them to some extent.Rajyogas > formed > by nodes are given in BPHS. > > 4. since rahu and ketu do not own any houses nor have any exaltation > or debilitation points, they do not have individual results either > for rasi or bhava. > Anil: BPHS clearly gives their ownership/exaltation/mooltrikon. > Some other books give longitudes too. Their Karakatwas are also > given by sage Parashar and Jamini. Rahu/Ketu are Tamo-Grah meaning > darkness. Can you see in dark? This is why we have to take help of > other things. > > 5. "rahu and ketu are first rank malefics which can only give > negative results.the best part of modern astrologers is that they > can project even the worst negative results in a positive language. > for example when few bhavas are spoilt by rahu, the person goes to a > distant thrown off lands in a different religion, living habits and > various things different to the native's homeland.so instead of > saying that the native goes to the farthest land to earn his bread > and eke his livelihood as he could not succeed in getting these in > his own homeland, the modern astrologers have started painting that > if rahu is in this or that house or aspects or influences these > houses, the native succeeds or shines or settles in a foreign land. > anyone can easily understand what is reality and what is colourful > presentation of negative things." > > Anil: Don't you think malefics too give good results in 3,6,11th > house? > Rath says Rahu in trines to Aroodha gives material gains. In fact > Rahu/ketu are opposite poles and show opposite things. Rahu shows > worldly gains while Ketu blocks them. Similarly Ketu shows spiritual > gains and Rahu blocks them. This behavior is common to all planets. > They promote one thing and reduce other thing.Ashtak-Varg of nodes > show that they are more benefic then Shani/Mangal but less then Sun. > > Regarding possitive painting,you are correct but that is again true > for all planets. A planet(or any person) will try to see its influence > on native. If natve willingly accepts that,he feels happy but when > he is forced to do that,he becomes unhappy. This is cleverly used by > some > astrologers to reduce the suffering. When a native goes to forign- > land,he > definatly faces lots of troubles but he knows about them and his mind > is > ready to accept them willingly. For this reason,even though he > suffers, > he feels happy! This is why a person visits astrologer. > > "rahu represents darkness and deceit or mildly put "maya". jupiter > represents truth or simply put light (light of knowledge)." > Anil: Guru is Akash/Shabd/Gyan but Light comes only from Sun. > Dev-Guru himself gives advise to devtas but still they are defeated in > wars. Why? They again take birth after their Punyas are over. Why? > Why not Devguru give them Light to become free from the cycles of > rebirth? > > Now consider Shukracharya-Guru of Asuras.Under his guidance,Asuras > not only > enjoy heaven but after death, get Moksh and become free from cycles > of > rebirth. Who is better? Guru or Shukr? Every planet has his own > good/bad > side and has some sound reason.Only Lord Shiv and Rahu were able to > escape > the maya of Mohini. However Rahu cheated Mohini-Devi and became > karaka for > deceit! Is Rahu capable of cheating even Lord Vishnu? Who showed > Light to > Lord? Sun and Moon(who reflects light of Sun). > > "truly rahu is known for deceit." > Anil: I agree but let me quote from BPHS: > Varah Avatar is from Rahu and Vaman Avtar is from Guru. > Now tell me who cheated! > ---- > -- > Prafulla Gang wrote: > " Money=Work / Knowledge > Thus, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity, > regardless of the amount of Work done." > > Anil: I became Prafullit by reading your proof: Laxmi rides Owl. > > Regarding Karakatwas, If you list Bhav-Karakas then > Sun-1st > Moon-4th > Mars-3rd,6th > Total-4 houses(Sur Grup) > -------------- > Mercury-10th > Venus-7th > Saturn-8th,12th > Total-4 houses(Asur Grup) > -------------- > Guru-2nd,5th,9th,11th > Total-4 houses(Guru alone) > -------------- > This is why Guru has so much importance. It is karak for 4 houses > lord of 2 houses and can influence 4 houses by its placement and > aspects. > > One can see only the relevent houses from Karkas but from Lagn,all > houses > can be seen. Vishesh Lagnas also have specific areas for > interpretation. > > If Guru is in 2nd, "Karko bhav nashak" and "Sthan nash karo Jeev" > both will operate and you will get negative results. In such cases > see 2nd from > Guru for Dhan. > > I agree with your idea to compile karakatwas. Please make it with > respect > to Bhav/Grah/Rashi/Nakshatr/Varg. > > Thanks. > > Anil > > OM TAT SAT > ---- > -- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 dear anil ji as usual you post one mail in a month responding all others mails posted in that month. i personally appreciate your efforts in responding to all our observations. here are my brief comments to your observations on my mails: 1. you gave a convincing and sound logical observation on a physical planet rahu existing in between mars and jupiter and its severed part as another small planet ketu in between mercury and venus. could you please furnish the reference of this research paper, book or NASA website, as i am not aware of the physical existence of rahu and ketu till date. 2. agreed to your observation of navagraha poojas indicating acceptance of the status of rahu and ketu as planets and also for mentioning three types of grahas. either as non-existing entities with planetary status or existing physical planets with planetary status, they have their position in the protocol of navagrahas and hence both rahu and ketu ENJOY WORSHIP along with other grahas in navagraha poojas. 3 & 4. you mentioned BPHS giving yogas for nodes and also own signs, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon. same were not found in bhrigu and other samhitas and also some medieval books like saravali and others. 5. yes, rahu and ketu were found giving good results in 3,6,11. 6. the few examples cited by you are true in relation to rahu's deceit and other observations of shukracharya and vaman avataar etc. since these are true, i agree to your observations. with best wishes pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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