31/5 comment on subject only.--what I wrote though guffaw!!

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RR,

  i read as many views, posts as possible inspite of my sight constraints.

  I look for knowledege from any source "with an open mind" no prejudices  inspite of the past spats we had, and sure future ones too.

 

  I am glad that the past 2 months there are some useful content from you  end which had only personal attacks  digs on fellow astrolgoers as  I saw from Jan-Apr 06 mid and didn't react even after there was the  thread on a POLL THAT RR Was the most arrogant one in the group,  rememebr I had not a single post on it. WHAT AN HONOR FOR ANYONE.....!

  later when 2 new commers may be took to line that igonore RR and later  u took Sreenadh to too much of distress felt with a few we do take you  on in the same way you do when the heat is on wth some crones. felt may  be there must be some effort from toehrs too and me Arjun pandit, etc  did add some muscle power to it

  ACTUALLY YOU EXPOSED YOUR UGLY SIDE IN THE REPLY TO V KRISHAN'S post  that time where you did reveal who you treated him on the thread of  jealoisy and did a cosmetic apology on it. but  I am sure VATTEM  Krishna a giant around has suddenly been idle or in hiberation due to  your highness may be a sad loos to the group.

 

 

  OUR OBJECTIVE WAS MET that you were less cricital of others did  compliment quite a few later, occassional good material is comming of  late.

 

  but these gwafs do remind us of the old adage `habits die hard...''

 

  we only hope u stick to astrology esp with so much of pretnetions u  bring around wth ur croines to lean on. AS LONG AS ASTROLOGY IS THE  SUBJECT IT IS WORTH OUR TIME but we are sad to read poetry, stories  here.

 

  As said in crystal pages uc an and surely will register there for these only,I appriciate literatue every bit

 

   kowledge can be found anywhere even in gutters or high mountains.

 

crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:        I am thrilled to note that you could not keep yourself from reading

  what I wrote though <guffaw!!>

 

  RR

 

  , Prashant Kumar G B

  <gbp_kumar> wrote:

  >

  > RR,

  >   as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

   discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

  collectin of short stories, poems etc.

  >   but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

  >  

  >   IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

  thnking, it is a poor connection.

  >  

  >   AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

   research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,

   KN RAO etc have done.

  >  

  >   I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

  here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

  discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

  participate we do get  at worign seriously.

  >  

  >   BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE

  A VUEW IT IS WELCOME

  >  

  >   MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak -

  I sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

  >   THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only

  full results?

  >   WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will

  like your research to throw as many as You can.

  >  

  >   aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it

  the  job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

  >   she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her

  5th lord in 8th with ketu

  >  

  >   PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories,

  poetry have NO USE

  >  

  >   i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if

  you  have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone

  there.

  >  

  >   I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu,

  Malyalam literature too.

  >  

  >

  > crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

  >  

  >   There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

  >   soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

  >  

  >   Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

  >   stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

  >   edifices of reality around that perception.

  >  

  >   When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

  >   feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

  >  

  >   A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

  >   still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

  >  

  >   One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

  >   india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

  >  

  >   The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

  >   of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

  >   back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

  >   rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

  >   times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

  >   more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

  >   afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

  >  

  >   Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

  >   was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

  >   of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

  >  

  >   Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

  >   mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

  >   perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

  >   no clue.

  >  

  >   The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

  >   inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

  >   society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

  >  

  >   Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

  >   illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

  >   exploited too long to even recover en masse!

  >  

  >   Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

  >   they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

  >   upon?

  >  

  >   RR

  >  

  >  

  >  

  >    , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

  >   wrote:

  >   >

  >   > Dear Mr Kumar

  >   >

  >   > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

  >   (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

  >   discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

  >   in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

  >   could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

  >   ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

  >   astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

  >   worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

  >   events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

  >    linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

  >   classics.

  >   >

  >   > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

  >   principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

  >   inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

  >   events).

  >   >

  >   > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

  >   not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

  >   to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

  >   >

  >   > regards / Prafulla Gang

  >   >

  >   > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

  >   the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

  >   purify a man who is not free of doubts.

  >   >

  >   >

  >   > >

  >   > > gbp_kumar@

  >   > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

  >   > >

  >   > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

  >   > >

  >   > > Dear Prafulla,

  >   > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

  >   as fonts

  >   > > or colors r not supported in JR

  >   > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

  >   > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

  >   which  are

  >   > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics 

  >   reference)?

  >   > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

  >   > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for 

  >   results,

  >   > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

  >   > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

  >   > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

  >   Moola

  >   > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

  >   own

  >   > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

  >   > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

  >   > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

  >   results  will be

  >   > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such 

  >   combinations

  >   > > yoga cease to exist.

  >   > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

  >   > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

  >   so many

  >   > > factors yogas.

  >   > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

  >   > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

  >   > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

  >   there.

  >   > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

  >   without

  >   > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

  >   RESULTS.

  >   > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

  >   > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

  >   to  see

  >   > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

  >   (Yes,  I am

  >   > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

  >   > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

  >   not  this

  >   > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

  >   supposed  to

  >   > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

  >   > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

  >   itself, and

  >   > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

  >   too;

  >   > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

  >   > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

  >   AUTHORITY BUT

  >   > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

  >   my guiding

  >   > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

  >   > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

  >   discussing  its

  >   > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

  >   > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

  >   so many

  >   > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

  >   etc

  >   > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

  >   COMPARED

  >   > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

  >   NONE OF

  >   > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

  >   > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

  >   gives slowly

  >   > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

  >   > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

  >   how

  >   > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

  >   > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

  >   > > through CINEA, TV came in.

  >   > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

  >   hnonor, may

  >   > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

  >   at times

  >   > > no  wealth to flaunt.

  >   > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

  >   > > malefic.

  >   > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

  >   a page  of

  >   > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

  >   > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

  >   > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

  >   on  the

  >   > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can 

  >   purify a

  >   > > man who is not free of doubts.

  >   > >     

  >   > >    gbp_kumar@

  >   > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

  >   > >   

  >   > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

  >   28/5

  >   > >      Dear Prafulla,

  >   > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

  >   wherever  he

  >   > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such 

  >   light] did

  >   > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

  >   > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  >   > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

  >   > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

  >   if u want an

  >   > > answer on it

  >   > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

  >   will give

  >   > > that result who is Neecha too.

  >   > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

  >   > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

  >   > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

  >   STRENGTH  OF

  >   > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and 

  >   other Balas

  >   > > must  support it.

  >   > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

  >   defeats the

  >   > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

  >   > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

  >   respect

  >   > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery 

  >   memorablie

  >   > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

  >   and many

  >   > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

  >   with

  >   > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

  >   > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

  >   to

  >   > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

  >   > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

  > >  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument from

  >   you (!!). I know,

  >   > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

  >   > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

  >   relationship with moon?

  >   > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiter 

  >   poweful enough to render

  >   > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

  >   and natural

  >   > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

  >   enough -

  >   > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

  >   justify

  >   > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

  >   health of

  >   > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

  >   husband  as

  >   > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

  >   full - It

  >   > > does not !!!.

  >   > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

  >   partial or overridden; it is

  >   > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

  >   results,

  >   > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the 

  >   native

  >   > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

  >   not strong.

  >   > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

  >   formation by

  >   > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

  >   > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

  >   5th house

  >   > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

  >   Even with

  >   > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

  >   > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

  >   factors -

  >   > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

  >   chart..and gaj

  >   > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

  >   classics..as I

  >   > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

  >   malefic /

  >   > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

  >   > >             I am  putting this example,  not to  prove

  >   or score; so please

  >   > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

  >   under any

  >   > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

  >   sharing

  >   > > into unnecessary  arguments.

  >   > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

  >   > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

  >   > >     

  >   > >      gbp_kumar@

  >   > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

  >   > >     

  >   > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

  >   yoga 28/5

  >   > >      Prafulla,

  >   > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

  >   fortune...

  >   > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

  >   > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

  >   issues with

  >   > > lumanaries etc.

  >   > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

  >   several other

  >   > > factors why not here?

  >   > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

  >   lord  itself WAK

  >   > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

  >   that is  one

  >   > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or an 

  >   earthquake

  >   > > prone  zone?

  >   > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

  >   want to buold

  >   > > in such place.

  >   > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>  wrote:        Dear

  >   Members

  >   > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

  >   > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru 

  >   (whether  gaj

  >   > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

  >   > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

  >   issues

  >   > >        Female

  >   > >        July 9, 1972

  >   > >        18.45 IST

  >   > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

  >   > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon 

  >   and 9th lord

  >   > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

  >   rahu  in

  >   > > 2nd house

  >   > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validate 

  >   the fact that

  >   > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

  >   houses  or

  >   > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feeble 

  >   yoga will

  >   > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can -

  >   then it can

  >   > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

  >   dusthana lords.

  >   > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

  >   lots  of luck

  >   > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  natural 

  >   significations

  >   > > of  jupiter).

  >   > >        Please note that - this is not chart reading 

  >   request; but a

  >   > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

  >   > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

  >   > >  Prashantkumar G B

  >   > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

  >   group

  >   > > but

  >   > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

  >   phone.

  >   > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

  >   > >    09840051861

  >   > > 

  >   > >  New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

  >   PC and

  >   > > save big.

  >   > > 

[Guest guest]

Kumar ji,

 

How very interesting! You seriously still believe that I was ever

referring to poojyaniya Krishnanji in the reference to 'jealousy'? ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> RR,

>   i read as many views, posts as possible inspite of my sight

constraints.

>   I look for knowledege from any source "with an open mind" no

prejudices  inspite of the past spats we had, and sure future ones

too.

>  

>   I am glad that the past 2 months there are some useful content

from you  end which had only personal attacks  digs on fellow

astrolgoers as  I saw from Jan-Apr 06 mid and didn't react even after

there was the  thread on a POLL THAT RR Was the most arrogant one in

the group,  rememebr I had not a single post on it. WHAT AN HONOR FOR

ANYONE....!

>   later when 2 new commers may be took to line that igonore RR and

later  u took Sreenadh to too much of distress felt with a few we do

take you  on in the same way you do when the heat is on wth some

crones. felt may  be there must be some effort from toehrs too and me

Arjun pandit, etc  did add some muscle power to it

>   ACTUALLY YOU EXPOSED YOUR UGLY SIDE IN THE REPLY TO V KRISHAN'S

post  that time where you did reveal who you treated him on the

thread of  jealoisy and did a cosmetic apology on it. but  I am sure

VATTEM  Krishna a giant around has suddenly been idle or in

hiberation due to  your highness may be a sad loos to the group.

>  

>  

>   OUR OBJECTIVE WAS MET that you were less cricital of others did 

compliment quite a few later, occassional good material is comming

of  late.

>  

>   but these gwafs do remind us of the old adage `habits die

hard...''

>  

>   we only hope u stick to astrology esp with so much of pretnetions

u  bring around wth ur croines to lean on. AS LONG AS ASTROLOGY IS

THE  SUBJECT IT IS WORTH OUR TIME but we are sad to read poetry,

stories  here.

>  

>   As said in crystal pages uc an and surely will register there for

these only,I appriciate literatue every bit

>  

>    kowledge can be found anywhere even in gutters or high mountains.

>  

> crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:        I am thrilled to note that

you could not keep yourself from reading

>   what I wrote though <guffaw!!>

>  

>   RR

>  

>   , Prashant Kumar G B

>   <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

>   >

>   > RR,

>   >   as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if

we r

>    discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what

ur

>   collectin of short stories, poems etc.

>   >   but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

>   >  

>   >   IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s

fresh

>   thnking, it is a poor connection.

>   >  

>   >   AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do

enough

>    research on my own and accept such findings by others like what

ICAS,

>    KN RAO etc have done.

>   >  

>   >   I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice

etc

>   here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

>   discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

>   participate we do get  at worign seriously.

>   >  

>   >   BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN

GIVE

>   A VUEW IT IS WELCOME

>   >  

>   >   MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is

weak -

>   I sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

>   >   THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give

only

>   full results?

>   >   WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I

will

>   like your research to throw as many as You can.

>   >  

>   >   aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is

it

>   the  job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her

Putrasthana

>   >   she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not

her

>   5th lord in 8th with ketu

>   >  

>   >   PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short

stories,

>   poetry have NO USE

>   >  

>   >   i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories

if

>   you  have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate

everyone

>   there.

>   >  

>   >   I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu,

>   Malyalam literature too.

>   >  

>   >

>   > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

>   >  

>   >   There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human

carnate

>   >   soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon

justifying it!

>   >  

>   >   Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like

Freud

>   >   stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and

created

>   >   edifices of reality around that perception.

>   >  

>   >   When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -

- we

>   >   feel we have no option and that must be the truth,

unconditionally!

>   >  

>   >   A story told to me when I was young in astrology and

divination that

>   >   still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>   >  

>   >   One of those wars fought between the west and east --

vietnam, korea,

>   >   india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>   >  

>   >   The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is

expected out

>   >   of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

shipped

>   >   back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>   >   rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her

or those

>   >   times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

anything

>   >   more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that

was

>   >   afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>   >  

>   >   Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his

child and

>   >   was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for

being one

>   >   of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>   >  

>   >   Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of

it? The

>   >   mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>   >   perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but

she has

>   >   no clue.

>   >  

>   >   The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state

and

>   >   inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this

modern

>   >   society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that

is it!>

>   >  

>   >   Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she

is the

>   >   illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>   >   exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>   >  

>   >   Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born

again, as

>   >   they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation

stand

>   >   upon?

>   >  

>   >   RR

>   >  

>   >  

>   >  

>   >    (AT) (DOT) .com, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

>   >   wrote:

>   >   >

>   >   > Dear Mr Kumar

>   >   >

>   >   > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

heavily

>   >   (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I

started

>   >   discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as

defined

>   >   in classics) in my astrological pursuance.. In some form or

other, I

>   >   could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>   >   ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the

keeping

>   >   astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine

efforts and

>   >   worked around the tools, which can definitely render

indications for

>   >   events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but

in a way -

>   >    linking that to current yuga read with the rationale

provided by

>   >   classics.

>   >   >

>   >   > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

overriding

>   >   principles are always complicated for the fact that - this

leads to

>   >   inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

future

>   >   events).

>   >   >

>   >   > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on

yoga. I am

>   >   not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

forward

>   >   to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>   >   >

>   >   > regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >   >

>   >   > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping on

>   >   the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

can

>   >   purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>   >   >

>   >   >

>   >   > >

>   >   > > gbp_kumar@

>   >   > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>   >   > >

>   >   > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

yoga 29/5

>   >   > >

>   >   > > Dear Prafulla,

>   >   > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in

CAPS.

>   >   as fonts

>   >   > > or colors r not supported in JR

>   >   > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr

Kumar

>   >   > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the

planets

>   >   which  are

>   >   > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or

classics 

>   >   reference)?

>   >   > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions?

Can  yoga be

>   >   > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many

yogas for 

>   >   results,

>   >   > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>   >   > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>   >   > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

Kendra,

>   >   Moola

>   >   > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth

on its

>   >   own

>   >   > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>   >   > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>   >   > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>   >   results  will be

>   >   > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under

such 

>   >   combinations

>   >   > > yoga cease to exist.

>   >   > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>   >   > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS

ASSESSED by

>   >   so many

>   >   > > factors yogas.

>   >   > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS

THAN SAID

>   >   > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through

Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

>   >   > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it

is also

>   >   there.

>   >   > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

important

>   >   without

>   >   > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or

Dasa

>   >   RESULTS.

>   >   > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not

define any

>   >   > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I

will love

>   >   to  see

>   >   > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical

issue

>   >   (Yes,  I am

>   >   > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so

existing with

>   >   > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted),

then can

>   >   not  this

>   >   > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>   >   supposed  to

>   >   > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of

guru.

>   >   > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of

yoga

>   >   itself, and

>   >   > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

exploring

>   >   too;

>   >   > > and looking for consistent application of any

configuration.

>   >   > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>   >   AUTHORITY BUT

>   >   > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of 

ICAS,

>   >   my guiding

>   >   > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation

astrologer.

>   >   > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>   >   discussing  its

>   >   > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>   >   > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read

threads on it

>   >   so many

>   >   > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a

malefic

>   >   etc

>   >   > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A

BEIFIC

>   >   COMPARED

>   >   > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas

where

>   >   NONE OF

>   >   > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>   >   > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail

Guru

>   >   gives slowly

>   >   > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the

way , but

>   >   > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the

world sees

>   >   how

>   >   > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that

too after

>   >   > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness

beyond sense

>   >   > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>   >   > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn

with

>   >   hnonor, may

>   >   > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands

respect but

>   >   at times

>   >   > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>   >   > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos

one it is a

>   >   > > malefic.

>   >   > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post,

will scan

>   >   a page  of

>   >   > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read

yogas.

>   >   > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >   > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping

>   >   on  the

>   >   > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

can 

>   >   purify a

>   >   > > man who is not free of doubts.

>   >   > >     

>   >   > >    gbp_kumar@

>   >   > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>   >   > >   

>   >   > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

yoga

>   >   28/5

>   >   > >      Dear Prafulla,

>   >   > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a

maleic

>   >   wherever  he

>   >   > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in

such 

>   >   light] did

>   >   > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>   >   > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE

OR NOT

>   >   > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>   >   > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari

Yoga but

>   >   if u want an

>   >   > > answer on it

>   >   > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic

ketu. surely

>   >   will give

>   >   > > that result who is Neecha too.

>   >   > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>   >   > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>   >   > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE

PROPORTIONAL TO

>   >   STRENGTH  OF

>   >   > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA

and 

>   >   other Balas

>   >   > > must  support it.

>   >   > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male

isuses

>   >   defeats the

>   >   > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not

eliminated.

>   >   > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga

commended

>   >   respect

>   >   > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod

evvery 

>   >   memorablie

>   >   > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief 

programm

>   >   and many

>   >   > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a

enemy sign,

>   >   with

>   >   > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>   >   > >      we can show that there be come qualitative

reductuion due

>   >   to

>   >   > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>   >   > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr

Kumar

>   > >  >           I  was expecting this line of  

argument from

>   >   you (!!). I know,

>   >   > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key

things:

>   >   > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>   >   relationship with moon?

>   >   > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is

jupiter 

>   >   poweful enough to render

>   >   > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership,

aspects

>   >   and natural

>   >   > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not

strong

>   >   enough -

>   >   > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How

do you

>   >   justify

>   >   > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny,

weak

>   >   health of

>   >   > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka

for

>   >   husband  as

>   >   > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it

manifest  in

>   >   full - It

>   >   > > does not !!!.

>   >   > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to

be

>   >   partial or overridden; it is

>   >   > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to

give

>   >   results,

>   >   > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined

for the 

>   >   native

>   >   > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,Â

  it is

>   >   not strong.

>   >   > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support

yoga

>   >   formation by

>   >   > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone

through 3

>   >   > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if

aspecting

>   >   5th house

>   >   > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha

dasha).

>   >   Even with

>   >   > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled,

all its

>   >   > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the

overriding

>   >   factors -

>   >   > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>   >   chart..and gaj

>   >   > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>   >   classics..as I

>   >   > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari

saying that

>   >   malefic /

>   >   > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>   >   > >             I am  putting this example,  not

to  prove

>   >   or score; so please

>   >   > > experiment the above rationale  from research 

perspective. and

>   >   under any

>   >   > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological

experience

>   >   sharing

>   >   > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>   >   > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >   > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>   >   > >     

>   >   > >      gbp_kumar@

>   >   > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>   >   > >     

>   >   > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj

kesari

>   >   yoga 28/5

>   >   > >      Prafulla,

>   >   > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of

luck and

>   >   fortune...

>   >   > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>   >   > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue

or

>   >   issues with

>   >   > > lumanaries etc.

>   >   > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there

will be

>   >   several other

>   >   > > factors why not here?

>   >   > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if

lagna

>   >   lord  itself WAK

>   >   > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified 

isn't it

>   >   that is  one

>   >   > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil?

or an 

>   >   earthquake

>   >   > > prone  zone?

>   >   > >        same here u can do it and add other

safeguards if u

>   >   want to buold

>   >   > > in such place.

>   >   > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>  wrote:       

Dear

>   >   Members

>   >   > >      I will be posting few charts and let us

investigate the

>   >   > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal

guru 

>   >   (whether  gaj

>   >   > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>   >   > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant

health

>   >   issues

>   >   > >        Female

>   >   > >        July 9, 1972

>   >   > >        18.45 IST

>   >   > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>   >   > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord

moon 

>   >   and 9th lord

>   >   > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury

in 8th;

>   >   rahu  in

>   >   > > 2nd house

>   >   > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but

validate 

>   >   the fact that

>   >   > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning

dusthana

>   >   houses  or

>   >   > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga;

feeble 

>   >   yoga will

>   >   > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all

it  can -

>   >   then it can

>   >   > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

>   >   dusthana lords.

>   >   > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back -

has

>   >   lots  of luck

>   >   > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around 

natural 

>   >   significations

>   >   > > of  jupiter).

>   >   > >        Please note that - this is not chart

reading 

>   >   request; but a

>   >   > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>   >   > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >   > >  Prashantkumar G B

>   >   > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>   >   group

>   >   > > but

>   >   > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

mail or

>   >   phone.

>   >   > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

>   >   > >    09840051861

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