Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi). Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you. You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed. The school must exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees. But the other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only `Jnana Yajna' in the temple and not the `dravya yajna' as said in the Gita (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All this is false, because the theory of `karma' says that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam… kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the temple, which must be `nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 dear Surya Nameste, nice thoughts. simply put Idol worship is means to be gate.On one " side is devotee and idol/deity" and other side is "opening to formless." so idol is a stepping stone to jump into universal self/brahma . Priests/ gurus are tangible realities but on deeper plane it is there consciousness that is real guiding force like a boatmen Deity in astrology is well understood so is deeksha guru. What is of interest is how to decipher if for a native idol worship is going to be fruitful or not.can Shri visti throw more light. hari om tatsat. - surya Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:12 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Idol Worship The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi). Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you. You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed. The school must exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees. But the other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only `Jnana Yajna' in the temple and not the `dravya yajna' as said in the Gita (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All this is false, because the theory of `karma' says that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam. kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the temple, which must be `nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Srivastavaji One never prays to an idol. Noone worships an idol. I haven't seen a single person worship an idol. All I have seen are people worshiping Bhagawan in all its rupas. This rupa could be of the material of stone, human, animal, plant, thought, imagination, or else. This principle is in every part of our living. A simple Namaskaar is recognizing the Lord as you. A tilak on your forehead means the same. It is this bhava that is part of our daily life. As Sri Ramanarayanan has aptly put it in another post, one can mechanically do the above or remember the bhava. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 5/31/06, Swami Daivyaga <swami_rcs > wrote: > > *dear Surya* > *Nameste,* > *nice thoughts.* > *simply put Idol worship is means to be gate.On one " side is devotee and > idol/deity" and other side is "opening to formless."* > *so idol is a stepping stone to jump into universal self/brahma .* > *Priests/ gurus are tangible realities but on deeper plane it is there > consciousness that is real guiding force like a boatmen* > ** > *Deity in astrology is well understood so is deeksha guru.* > *What is of interest is how to decipher if for a native idol worship is > going to be fruitful or not.can Shri visti throw more light.* > *hari om tatsat.* > > - > ** surya <dattapr2000 > > *To:* > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:12 PM > *Subject:* [Om Krishna Guru] Idol Worship > > The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone > or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a > direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing > the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is > mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always > comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu > Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord > would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were > only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms > during their time. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms > worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. The Lord > will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial > to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever > there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi). > > Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue > for you. You should go from school to college and then to > university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the > school should be destroyed. The school must exist for the future > batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not > necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and > temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be > respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant > devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is > before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah). > > For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for > meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and > photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said > in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does > not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says > that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord > (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues > and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees. But the > other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil > lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned > in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution > harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be > avoided. > > Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only > but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering > of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the > inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the > food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or > Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those things > and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with > ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the > priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants > by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because > such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest > should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees > and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only. > Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless > devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only `Jnana > Yajna' in the temple and not the `dravya yajna' as said in the Gita > (Sreyaan dravyamayat). > > Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is > only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert > object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of > the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are > not done. All this is false, because the theory of `karma' says > that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the > result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam… > kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the > temple, which must be `nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of work > and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without > aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is > condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of > the divine knowledge. > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* "Om Namah Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah". Hariom, Dear Anuj. Nameste, Yes you are right and more accurate.You are deeper in expression than what I summarised. || May all people be happy || OM TAT SAT R.C.Srivastava . swami_rcs mob 9412268768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com - Bharat Hindu Astrology Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:26 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Idol Worship Namaskaar Sri Srivastavaji One never prays to an idol. Noone worships an idol. I haven't seen a single person worship an idol. All I have seen are people worshiping Bhagawan in all its rupas. This rupa could be of the material of stone, human, animal, plant, thought, imagination, or else. This principle is in every part of our living. A simple Namaskaar is recognizing the Lord as you. A tilak on your forehead means the same. It is this bhava that is part of our daily life. As Sri Ramanarayanan has aptly put it in another post, one can mechanically do the above or remember the bhava. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 5/31/06, Swami Daivyaga <swami_rcs > wrote: dear Surya Nameste, nice thoughts. simply put Idol worship is means to be gate.On one " side is devotee and idol/deity" and other side is "opening to formless." so idol is a stepping stone to jump into universal self/brahma . Priests/ gurus are tangible realities but on deeper plane it is there consciousness that is real guiding force like a boatmen Deity in astrology is well understood so is deeksha guru. What is of interest is how to decipher if for a native idol worship is going to be fruitful or not.can Shri visti throw more light. hari om tatsat. - surya Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:12 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Idol Worship The statue or photo is the inert object. The form carved in a stone or painted on a paper is also an imaginary form and not even a direct photo. The statues and photos are only models representing the concept, which is knowledge. The form of statues and photos is mainly human form, which represents the concept that the Lord always comes to this world in human form as said in Gita (Manusheem Tanu Masritam). Please remember that Gita did not tell that the Lord would come in any other form. The forms of fish, tortoise etc., were only temporarily to kill the demons and nobody worshipped such forms during their time. But Rama, Krishna etc were the human forms worshipped by several devotees like Hanuman and Gopikas. The Lord will come in every human generation; otherwise, He becomes partial to a particular generation. If necessary the Lord can come whenever there is necessity as said in Gita (Yedaa yedaahi). Once this concept is realized, there is no need of temple and statue for you. You should go from school to college and then to university. This does not mean that when you leave the school, the school should be destroyed. The school must exist for the future batches. Therefore for you, the statue and the photo are not necessary and this does not mean that the statues, photos and temples should be broken. They should be protected and must be respected as the models of divine knowledge for the future ignorant devotees. Some devotees cannot accept the human form, which is before their eyes as said in Veda (Pratyaksha dvishah). For such devotees the statues and photos are necessary for meditation since they are at the school level. The statues and photos are useful for the meditation of such limited minds as said in Sastra (Pratima svalpa buddhinam). Veda says that the Lord does not exist in the inert objects (Natasya pratima, Nedamtat), but says that the inert objects can stand as models representing the Lord (Adityam brahmeti). Therefore seeing and meditation upon the statues and photos are correct in the case of the ignorant devotees. But the other rituals like offering food, burning camphor, fume sticks, oil lamps and breaking coconuts, offering flowers etc. are not mentioned in Vedas and there are unnecessary and are causing the air pollution harming the humanity. All these unnecessary rituals should be avoided. Offering food should also be done to the human form of the Lord only but not to the inert statues. Ijya or Yajna is cooking and offering of the food. Gita says that such Ijya should not be done to the inert objects. In the name of the statues, people are stealing the food and money. The statue and photo is not taking the food or Gurudakshina. The people behind the statue are taking those things and most of them are either cheating or wasting the money with ignorance. Whatever the Gurudakshina is given should go only to the priest and not the managing devotees. The business of the merchants by selling such materials in the temples should be stopped, because such materials are not even heard in Veda. Of course, the priest should be a Satguru and preach the divine knowledge to the devotees and the devotees should give Gurudakshina to such Satguru only. Thus, the temple should become a center of learning selfless devotion and divine knowledge and the priest must do only `Jnana Yajna' in the temple and not the `dravya yajna' as said in the Gita (Sreyaan dravyamayat). Gita condemned such Ijya before inert objects because such Ijya is only cheating and business. Such a devotee will be born as inert object (Bhutejya yanti). This business is connected to removal of the fruits of sins and getting the fruits of good deeds, which are not done. All this is false, because the theory of `karma' says that one has to suffer for all his bad deeds and can never get the result of any good deed without doing it (Avasyamanubhoktavyam… kalpakotisatairapi). The spiritual path should be preached in the temple, which must be `nishkama karma yoga' i.e., sacrifice of work and sacrifice of fruit (money) of the work to the Lord without aspiring any fruit in return. Remember, that only the Ijya is condemned and not the temples or statues, which are the models of the divine knowledge. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Surya You are free to hold your judgments and your beliefs. My earlier post was for a saintly person and not for you. If my words are not acceptable by you, you can ignore them. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 5/31/06, surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Srivastavaji > > > > One never prays to an idol. Noone worships an idol. I haven't seen > a single person worship an idol. All I have seen are people > worshiping Bhagawan in all its rupas. This rupa could be of the > material of stone, human, animal, plant, thought, imagination, or > else. > > > > This principle is in every part of our living. A simple Namaskaar > is recognizing the Lord as you. A tilak on your forehead means the > same. It is this bhava that is part of our daily life. As Sri > Ramanarayanan has aptly put it in another post, one can > mechanically do the above or remember the bhava. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > If Lord also remembers you (maintains good bhava in His mind)and do > not do anything practically, will you be happy? When food or > anything is shown to idol, it is not a real worship as we ourselves > are eating it. Lord is not eating a trace of it. When the material > of the rupa is stone, it is called as Idol worship. > > Q) You are advising homogeneity in action, words and mind in front > of Lord? > > I advised homogeneity before the Lord in the spiritual effort. I > never told that you should be homogeneous in this world. Lord > Krishna told Dharma Raja to tell a lie in order to kill Dronacharya. > Lord Krishna tells in that context, that one should cheat the > cheaters in the world. Lord Krishna says "If you go into the world > of Maya without Maya, you will be killed as a soldier who goes to > the war without armor on the body". When you are associating with > Maya for the sake of the world for a long time, the Maya enters your > nature. You are showing the same Maya before the Lord. > > You are treating the Lord as an outsider and also as a cheater. He > never cheated you. He gave you this human birth even though your > file of Karma recommends the birth of animals. He gave the > longevity, health and wealth and protected you several times in your > life. Why should you cheat Him? You are not cheating your family > members. Can't you equalize the Lord at least with your family > members? If Maya affects you continuously, why are you not showing > the Maya in the case of your family members also? Then the Lord can > excuse you because you are showing Maya everywhere. This means that > you are not treating the Lord equal to your family members. You are > offering the food to Him with your hand and eating. You are putting > your jewels on the statue of the Lord and taking them away by next > day. The statue is in your house. Why don't you keep the jewels on > the statue forever? The wealth is in your house only. Is it proper > to take out the wealth that is donated to the Lord? When you are > donating even to a human being, you are not taking back. You are not > considering that statue equal to even an ordinary human being. You > say that the statue is not inert object and is the living Lord in > your eyes. If it is not statue and is the living Lord, why are you > doing such tricks? While giving jewels to the statue, the statue is > the living Lord according to you. But when you take away the jewels > you are treating it as an inert statue. If the statue is alive, why > is it not eating your food? Why is it not talking with you? > > You will not accept the human form of the Lord because if you offer > the food He will eat. If you give jewels to Him, He will wear and > will not return to you. On one side you say the statue is not inert. > But on the other hand your practical behavior proves that the statue > is inert. You are fooling the Lord. You are showing false love on > Him. You want to impress Him so that He feels that you have real > love on Him and then get all your desires fulfilled. You show a drop > of real love, which you are showing to your children. You are giving > a pot of cow milk to your children. At least give one spoon of the > cow milk to the Lord. If you can't give even that spoon of cow milk, > keep quite. The Lord is not begging you for the cow milk. If you > cannot please the Lord, keep silent. He will not be furious with > you. Don't show false love and fool Him to get the boons. If you > can't give even a drop of cow milk, keep quite. But don't give a pot > of donkey milk, which is false love, and make the Lord furious. It > is not wrong if you cannot please the Lord but it is the greatest > sin if you fool Him by false love and try to get the benefit from > Him. Without the practical sacrifice that proves the real love, all > your traditional activities and dramatic dress like silk cloth, > sacred ash on the forehead and garlands of beads are only the means > of cheating and fooling the Lord. You can fool a human being who is > ignorant or having little knowledge. But the Lord is omniscient. > Knowing this you are trying to fool Him!! Are you not the biggest > fool before Him? Therefore have the shield of Maya when you enter > the world but when you come to the Lord remove the shield of Maya. > Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer room, stop > all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since the statue > cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue is not > having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when the > light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, don't > break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in the statue > or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. Remember > His qualities. > > If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, only oil > lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is there. Avoid > the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want good > smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use and > moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can > decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do for your > self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. You can > offer the food to the statue, but it is for your satisfaction only > and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can break the > coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of coconut to > the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the Lord for any > fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all these > things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as if you are > offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better than the > feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such feelings you > have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your mind. Please > do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is not a > real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your words and > feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any fruit > for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for such > sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become fooling > the Lord. I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you > say that you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those > rituals and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all > these things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. > Very good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you have > sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect any > fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to the Lord > by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and feelings, > you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the dramatic > actions. If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the > human form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little > sacrifice, what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire > anything in return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to > your sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one > chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two > chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten > chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any fruit for > your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real love > shown to your children, then the Lord will give you infinite real > fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you are not > aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right time to > the decision of the Lord. > > > posted by: His servant > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 *|| OM MAHAGANAPATAYE NAMAH ||* "Om Namah Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah". Hariom, Dear Anuj, We should be thankful to whatever happens,Look i just happened to listen Attri 18 lecture by Sanjay ji and got the answer to what I wrote , a real learning experience. I thank both Sr Surya for initiating nice thread and You for lovely understanding and communication of spirit of Idol worship. Hari om tatsat. || May all people be happy || OM TAT SAT R.C.Srivastava . swami_rcs mob 9412268768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com - Bharat Hindu Astrology Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:36 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Idol Worship Namaskaar Sri Surya You are free to hold your judgments and your beliefs. My earlier post was for a saintly person and not for you. If my words are not acceptable by you, you can ignore them. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 5/31/06, surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > Namaskaar Sri Srivastavaji > > One never prays to an idol. Noone worships an idol. I haven't seen a single person worship an idol. All I have seen are people worshiping Bhagawan in all its rupas. This rupa could be of the material of stone, human, animal, plant, thought, imagination, or else. > > This principle is in every part of our living. A simple Namaskaar is recognizing the Lord as you. A tilak on your forehead means the same. It is this bhava that is part of our daily life. As Sri Ramanarayanan has aptly put it in another post, one can mechanically do the above or remember the bhava. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat If Lord also remembers you (maintains good bhava in His mind)and do not do anything practically, will you be happy? When food or anything is shown to idol, it is not a real worship as we ourselves are eating it. Lord is not eating a trace of it. When the material of the rupa is stone, it is called as Idol worship. Q) You are advising homogeneity in action, words and mind in front of Lord? I advised homogeneity before the Lord in the spiritual effort. I never told that you should be homogeneous in this world. Lord Krishna told Dharma Raja to tell a lie in order to kill Dronacharya. Lord Krishna tells in that context, that one should cheat the cheaters in the world. Lord Krishna says "If you go into the world of Maya without Maya, you will be killed as a soldier who goes to the war without armor on the body". When you are associating with Maya for the sake of the world for a long time, the Maya enters your nature. You are showing the same Maya before the Lord. You are treating the Lord as an outsider and also as a cheater. He never cheated you. He gave you this human birth even though your file of Karma recommends the birth of animals. He gave the longevity, health and wealth and protected you several times in your life. Why should you cheat Him? You are not cheating your family members. Can't you equalize the Lord at least with your family members? If Maya affects you continuously, why are you not showing the Maya in the case of your family members also? Then the Lord can excuse you because you are showing Maya everywhere. This means that you are not treating the Lord equal to your family members. You are offering the food to Him with your hand and eating. You are putting your jewels on the statue of the Lord and taking them away by next day. The statue is in your house. Why don't you keep the jewels on the statue forever? The wealth is in your house only. Is it proper to take out the wealth that is donated to the Lord? When you are donating even to a human being, you are not taking back. You are not considering that statue equal to even an ordinary human being. You say that the statue is not inert object and is the living Lord in your eyes. If it is not statue and is the living Lord, why are you doing such tricks? While giving jewels to the statue, the statue is the living Lord according to you. But when you take away the jewels you are treating it as an inert statue. If the statue is alive, why is it not eating your food? Why is it not talking with you? You will not accept the human form of the Lord because if you offer the food He will eat. If you give jewels to Him, He will wear and will not return to you. On one side you say the statue is not inert. But on the other hand your practical behavior proves that the statue is inert. You are fooling the Lord. You are showing false love on Him. You want to impress Him so that He feels that you have real love on Him and then get all your desires fulfilled. You show a drop of real love, which you are showing to your children. You are giving a pot of cow milk to your children. At least give one spoon of the cow milk to the Lord. If you can't give even that spoon of cow milk, keep quite. The Lord is not begging you for the cow milk. If you cannot please the Lord, keep silent. He will not be furious with you. Don't show false love and fool Him to get the boons. If you can't give even a drop of cow milk, keep quite. But don't give a pot of donkey milk, which is false love, and make the Lord furious. It is not wrong if you cannot please the Lord but it is the greatest sin if you fool Him by false love and try to get the benefit from Him. Without the practical sacrifice that proves the real love, all your traditional activities and dramatic dress like silk cloth, sacred ash on the forehead and garlands of beads are only the means of cheating and fooling the Lord. You can fool a human being who is ignorant or having little knowledge. But the Lord is omniscient. Knowing this you are trying to fool Him!! Are you not the biggest fool before Him? Therefore have the shield of Maya when you enter the world but when you come to the Lord remove the shield of Maya. Even if you treat the Lord as the statue in your prayer room, stop all these traditional foolish activity and be real. Since the statue cannot eat the food, don't offer the food. Since the statue is not having life, don't put flowers, don't lit the oil lamp when the light is present, don't burn the fume sticks and camphor, don't break the coconut etc., You see the beauty of the Lord in the statue or photo and fix your eyes. Develop attraction and love. Remember His qualities. If there is darkness, lit the lamp. To remove the darkness, only oil lamp is not needed. The alternative electric light is there. Avoid the oil lamp in order to avoid the pollution. If you want good smell, burn the fume stick. Burning the camphor has no use and moreover it causes pollution. To satisfy your vision you can decorate the statue with flowers. What ever you do, you do for your self-satisfaction, which is the fruit for all your actions. You can offer the food to the statue, but it is for your satisfaction only and don't expect any extra fruit from the Lord. You can break the coconut before the Lord and offer the broken pieces of coconut to the Lord. But you are eating the coconut. Don't ask the Lord for any fruit for breaking the coconut. Therefore you can do all these things before statues and photos with a divine feeling as if you are offering to the Lord. Your feeling is definitely better than the feeling of an atheist. But what I say is that by such feelings you have attained peace, satisfaction and happiness in your mind. Please do not ask anything from the Lord because your sacrifice is not a real practical sacrifice. It is only the sacrifice of your words and feelings. This is not wrong as far as you don't ask for any fruit for such actions. Once you ask the fruit from the Lord for such sacrifice of words and feelings, all those rituals become fooling the Lord. I am not against the rituals but I am against you if you say that you have practically sacrificed to the Lord through those rituals and if you ask for some real fruit from the Lord. By all these things you have obtained peace and happiness in your heart. Very good! Be satisfied with that fruit. Don't boast that you have sacrificed something to the Lord and therefore don't expect any fruit from the Lord. If you say that you have sacrificed to the Lord by these rituals, which are only sacrifice of words and feelings, you are the biggest actor and all your rituals are the dramatic actions. If you want to sacrifice really to the Lord, search for the human form of the Lord, with the help of Veda and do any little sacrifice, what ever you can. In such sacrifice if you aspire anything in return, you will get the fruit, which is just equal to your sacrifice. If you sacrifice one rupee, He will give you one chocolate. If you sacrifice two rupees, He will give you two chocolates. Let the business be justified. Don't expect ten chocolates for one rupee. But if you are not aspiring any fruit for your sacrifice, which is the real love similar to the real love shown to your children, then the Lord will give you infinite real fruit in a proper place at the appropriate time. Since you are not aspiring for the fruit, you leave the right place and right time to the decision of the Lord. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.