Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2006 Jai Gurudev, I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & it's not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. It's really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhak's should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. Regards Vikram || Om Param Tatvaay Naaraayannaay Gurubhyo Namah || Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 31, 2006 Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? Regards Vikram Korde <vikram.korde (AT) in (DOT) ness.com> ; Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & it’s not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. It’s really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhak’s should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. Regards Vikram Jay Gurudev ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2006 Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. , V C <siddhiwala1997 wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde > ; > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & it’s not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. It’s really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhak’s should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2006 || shri gurucharan kamelebhyo namaha|| dear gurubhai, pls stop this inane discussion . we are here to discuss abt gurudev and gurudev only and not to criticise anyone . we should act more responsibly on wht are we posting on the grp and sply while pointing fingers to each other . moderators pls do not encourage this type of discussions . regards, rahul pandey || jai gurudev || Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2006 actually the doc which says of sathya sai baba ,is total stupidity. also the author says of tantra in kerala "w hat bloody hell he knows about kerala. I am a native of kerala .i live closer to a plac ewhich he mentions in doc." The person doesn't know anything of kerala. All stupid non sense. Those who create these kind of docs think that people get enlightened ,reading these kind of stupid docs,may be westerners may get enlightened .but westerners are better that us . Actually these docs are meant to create confusions in the mind of people and make or people think of the GURuin the mind of author. Not a genuine spiritual style at all. - vcanakapalli Monday, June 05, 2006 11:41 PM Re: Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. , V C <siddhiwala1997 wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde > ; > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & itâ?Ts not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. Itâ?Ts really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhakâ?Ts should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2006 Dear Gurubhais, I quote this statement from Gurudev's Pravachan. Gurudev once said that he bows down even to Nakli Gurus. One can find the pravachan in Chandigarh's 1996 Guru Poornima shivir and listen to the pravachan in the right context. Gurudev in a sense is saying there should be no reason for one not to respect the other person. Irrespective of whether Sri Satya Sai Baba is right or not we respect him. But if it's required that the behaviour of a person should be controlled for good of everyone then enlightened ones do interfere with respect and set things right. When the people who have reached a certain stage are being constantly watched by the divine then i guess divine would obviously monitor the people who are staged in our society as divine. I guess Vikram shared the article out of curiousity and neither agrees nor supports to what has been said in the article. I advice caution in circulating such articles in future on the list. Jai Gurudev, Anurag ________________________________ [] On Behalf Of Ronnie Jacob Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:37 AM Cc: vcanakapalli Re: Re: Tantrik Experiences actually the doc which says of sathya sai baba ,is total stupidity. also the author says of tantra in kerala "w hat bloody hell he knows about kerala. I am a native of kerala .i live closer to a plac ewhich he mentions in doc." The person doesn't know anything of kerala. All stupid non sense. Those who create these kind of docs think that people get enlightened ,reading these kind of stupid docs,may be westerners may get enlightened .but westerners are better that us . Actually these docs are meant to create confusions in the mind of people and make or people think of the GURuin the mind of author. Not a genuine spiritual style at all. - vcanakapalli <vcanakapalli (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, June 05, 2006 11:41 PM Re: Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. <> , V C <siddhiwala1997 wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde > <%40> ; <%40> > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & itâEURs not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. ItâEURs really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhakâEURs should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2006 I completly agree with you here! I think the whole document is made up. It would have made a lovely fictional book...but at the expense of genuine spiritual seekers and Sai devotees like myself. I think more reaserch would have ben required. It is such a shame that some people will write anything to discredit the genuine ones amongst us. The divine is walking amongst us in His various forms and the foolish waste their time and energy to try and discredit them. I suppose this is His leela, as his glory expands hundreds of time more after people see through falsehood. My the Lord guide us all. Jai Guru dev Ronnie Jacob <ronyjacobpurakal > Cc: vcanakapalli <vcanakapalli (AT) (DOT) co.in> Wednesday, 7 June, 2006 12:07:08 AM Re: Re: Tantrik Experiences actually the doc which says of sathya sai baba ,is total stupidity. also the author says of tantra in kerala "w hat bloody hell he knows about kerala. I am a native of kerala .i live closer to a plac ewhich he mentions in doc." The person doesn't know anything of kerala. All stupid non sense. Those who create these kind of docs think that people get enlightened ,reading these kind of stupid docs,may be westerners may get enlightened .but westerners are better that us . Actually these docs are meant to create confusions in the mind of people and make or people think of the GURuin the mind of author. Not a genuine spiritual style at all. - vcanakapalli Monday, June 05, 2006 11:41 PM Re: Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. @ s.com, V C <siddhiwala1997@ ...> wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde@ ...> > @ s.com; > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & itâs not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. Itâs really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhakâs should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohankrishna 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2006 V C when was the first time you went to see sai baba's place? the year. mohankrishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2006 this is to the moderators : There is no sense in banning my mesages. U are allowing alll A_Z people criticizing other GURUS ,cultures,people ,and even giving bad ideas on tantras itself,so just forced m eto say that such articles are nonsense . because NONSESNSE is NONSENSE . I know directly from my exerince that article posetd on tantrik experience is stupid nonsense ,simply because i belong from a place mentioned in that articles . FOR four-5 generrations we are living in that place and familiar with tantra ,mantra and all stuffs ,but yet neve heard a stuff mentioned by the person - rahul pandey Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:02 PM Re: Re: Tantrik Experiences || shri gurucharan kamelebhyo namaha|| dear gurubhai, pls stop this inane discussion . we are here to discuss abt gurudev and gurudev only and not to criticise anyone . we should act more responsibly on wht are we posting on the grp and sply while pointing fingers to each other . moderators pls do not encourage this type of discussions . regards, rahul pandey || jai gurudev || Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2006 Jai Gurudev, My intention to send mail is not to promote any swami or pinpoint anyone, in that article there were many good things to learn about Tantra, like teleporting ash, teleporting doors, how Lord Vishnu liberated his materials, how Durga ma gave instructions to him, how kartikey came to him (called as avishakaras). I thought somebody will ask about the science of teleporting body, but discussion went somewhere else, Has anyone idea what is that siddhi, where we can teleport our body to anywhere, where person just appears from nowhere, like decompose body, get that body teleported to somewhere else, and compose there again, hence coming out of blue, same process by which gods appear infront of you. Matrix film was on the same science, they were teleporting body through phone. I also found that the authors mind was so powerful, that during the ritual, he could sustain images/doors in his mind, and through which tantrik was passing one by one door, and hence achieved that siddhi. I was not born also during 1970’s period, even if someone would have been born, you might be 3-7 yrs old, what you will understand of abc of Tantra ?, so what is that we have rights to claim whatever written is true or false, even if author is forced to write against its divine force driving him, and hence same applies to sai baba also. During 70’s period, there was only radio as media; things were so different than current times. Jai Gurudev Vikram _____ [] On Behalf Of Goel Anurag-A20572 Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:28 PM RE: Re: Tantrik Experiences Dear Gurubhais, I quote this statement from Gurudev's Pravachan. Gurudev once said that he bows down even to Nakli Gurus. One can find the pravachan in Chandigarh's 1996 Guru Poornima shivir and listen to the pravachan in the right context. Gurudev in a sense is saying there should be no reason for one not to respect the other person. Irrespective of whether Sri Satya Sai Baba is right or not we respect him. But if it's required that the behaviour of a person should be controlled for good of everyone then enlightened ones do interfere with respect and set things right. When the people who have reached a certain stage are being constantly watched by the divine then i guess divine would obviously monitor the people who are staged in our society as divine. I guess Vikram shared the article out of curiousity and neither agrees nor supports to what has been said in the article. I advice caution in circulating such articles in future on the list. Jai Gurudev, Anurag _____ [] On Behalf Of Ronnie Jacob Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:37 AM Cc: vcanakapalli Re: Re: Tantrik Experiences actually the doc which says of sathya sai baba ,is total stupidity. also the author says of tantra in kerala "w hat bloody hell he knows about kerala. I am a native of kerala .i live closer to a plac ewhich he mentions in doc." The person doesn't know anything of kerala. All stupid non sense. Those who create these kind of docs think that people get enlightened ,reading these kind of stupid docs,may be westerners may get enlightened ..but westerners are better that us . Actually these docs are meant to create confusions in the mind of people and make or people think of the GURuin the mind of author. Not a genuine spiritual style at all. - vcanakapalli <vcanakapalli (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, June 05, 2006 11:41 PM Re: Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. @ <> s.com, V C <siddhiwala1997 wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde > @ <%40> s.com; @ <%40> > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & it’s not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. It’s really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhak’s should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2006 i don'tthink soo ,I am person who could guess th real hidden motives of a person , with common sense ..I know what is truth and what causing ignorence ,who causing ignorence . But i like people who spread spirituality genuinly ,sincerely ,and not people who sell spirituality .also don't lik epeople who cause ignorence Not interested to argue ,because it is a waste . - Goel Anurag-A20572 Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:27 PM RE: Re: Tantrik Experiences Dear Gurubhais, I quote this statement from Gurudev's Pravachan. Gurudev once said that he bows down even to Nakli Gurus. One can find the pravachan in Chandigarh's 1996 Guru Poornima shivir and listen to the pravachan in the right context. Gurudev in a sense is saying there should be no reason for one not to respect the other person. Irrespective of whether Sri Satya Sai Baba is right or not we respect him. But if it's required that the behaviour of a person should be controlled for good of everyone then enlightened ones do interfere with respect and set things right. When the people who have reached a certain stage are being constantly watched by the divine then i guess divine would obviously monitor the people who are staged in our society as divine. I guess Vikram shared the article out of curiousity and neither agrees nor supports to what has been said in the article. I advice caution in circulating such articles in future on the list. Jai Gurudev, Anurag [] On Behalf Of Ronnie Jacob Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:37 AM Cc: vcanakapalli Re: Re: Tantrik Experiences actually the doc which says of sathya sai baba ,is total stupidity. also the author says of tantra in kerala "w hat bloody hell he knows about kerala. I am a native of kerala .i live closer to a plac ewhich he mentions in doc." The person doesn't know anything of kerala. All stupid non sense. Those who create these kind of docs think that people get enlightened ,reading these kind of stupid docs,may be westerners may get enlightened .but westerners are better that us . Actually these docs are meant to create confusions in the mind of people and make or people think of the GURuin the mind of author. Not a genuine spiritual style at all. - vcanakapalli Monday, June 05, 2006 11:41 PM Re: Tantrik Experiences Jai Gurudev, I wonder how Vikram could post such a message? Though I am not a devotee of Satya Sai Baba but then I can tell you that HE is a real testimony to a LIVING GOD. Kindly make a visit to Putaparthi and then post any message. Jai Gurudev. Vcanakapalli. , V C <siddhiwala1997 wrote: > > Hi guys...I have read the article before, but I don't really believe it to be honest. > > I KNOW that what atmananda has said does happen in India but i dont think it happened with him. Especially the paragraphs on Sai Baba. There are many many inconsistancies in the story. I myself am I Sai Devotee, having met Sathya Sai on a number of occasions and witnessing many miracles, dreams, cure of cancer for someone, cure of eyesight, etc etc. But no one calls him Yogi Baba like Atmananda says. He has never been called Yogi Baba - EVER. We always call him 'Baba' or 'Swami'. When Sai Devotees great each other, we say 'Sai Ram', not 'Sai Baba' to each other like Atmananda says. Sai Baba sleeps on the floor, not on a bed like Atmananda says. Urvakonda and Bukkaputnam are on opposite sides of Anantapur. Why did Atmananda go through either of them to get to Puttaparthi? He mentions them like the are next to each other but he would be going around in cirlces - going south, then north and the south again - a trip which would have taken a number of days! Sai Baba never give > dharshan from the balcony! Only on the event of his 50th Birthday did he ever make an appearance on the balcony. 'NK' (Professor Kasturi - a famous professor and baba's biographer) has never been known to interact with devotees the way Atmanada says. Also, people dont just 'sit down' in the first row or whereever they feel like, like Atmananda did. There is a ticket system which determines where one would sit. Swami's interview room was never 'upstairs' which is where Atmananda says he went. It is a little room downstairs, next to the mandhir. In the mandhir, there are no images of Krishna, Vishu and Shiva, like atmananda says. There is a small shivlingam, large pictures of Sathya Sai and Shirdi Sai and Baba's chair. Sai baba's brother (who beacme an ardent of baba's) passed away LONG before 1974 when Atamanda cliams to have 'met him' in Pennakonda. There are many many other inconsistancies about the story, about the way things were done in the ashram, the whole thing is > obvious to a someone who has been to the ashram that it appears to have been made up. He could have atleast made an effort to go once in his life before making the story up. S > > So, I ask the question as I firmly believe that the section on Sai Baba is clearly made up...how much of the whole article is actually true? If he has lied in a couple of chapters, what is there to say that the whole 62 pages are actually true? > > Regards > > > > > Vikram Korde <vikram.korde > ; > Tuesday, 30 May, 2006 12:13:06 PM > Tantrik Experiences > > > Jai Gurudev, > > I have found this article around 3 yrs back on internet, and saved that article. All the experiences mentioned in the document are real experiences by the author & itâ?Ts not a fiction story. You will also find many places from south author have encountered & one renowned (FAKE) swami from south, you have to guess who he is. Itâ?Ts really a wonderful article to read it, you will need big heart & patience to read this as this is 62 page article. You will learn many things about Tantra (& especially about those people who are involved in black magic, they use a very short way to achieve siddhis, but its dangerous path, not to be followed by house holder, even you should not try to meet them, if you have not taken Diksha, as Gurudev Nikhil always protects us, we sadhakâ?Ts should not worry, but for others it can be dangerous (Just as advice)) Take a print out or read in your convenience daily 2-3 pages. Hope you will enjoy this article. > > Regards > Vikram > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
