case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

May 29, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS. as fonts or colors r not supported in JR

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr Kumar

My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets which are negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics reference)? Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can yoga be involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for results, which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra, Moola Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its own even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

a la Gajakesari Yoga.

If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its results will be affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such combinations yoga cease to exist.

WEAK DASA, YOGAS GIVE weak results.

YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by so many factors yogas.

QUITE OFT EN OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also there.

and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important without loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa RESULTS.

Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love to see such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue (Yes, I am aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can not this override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is supposed to give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga itself, and validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring too; and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO AUTHORITY BUT HAVE BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of ICAS, my guiding Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only discussing its relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it so many u can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic etc

THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC COMPARED TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where NONE OF US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru gives slowly with honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees how rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense through CINEA, TV came in.

for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with hnonor, may be poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but at times no wealth to flaunt.

for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a malefic.

I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN post, will scan a page of NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

gbp_kumar

Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

Dear Prafulla,

I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever he is or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such light] did not jump into the fray I am not one of them

NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

AS I CAN READ IT it is power, status, money, etc

the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an answer on it

3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give that result who is Neecha too.

health sani+Sukra does affect health.

I can write seperately on this if u want

BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH OF THE YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and other Balas must support it.

Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect and wealth never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery memorablie and made money for the freedom movement or any relief programm and many MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna in a enemy sign, with shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr Kumar

I was expecting this line of argument from you (!!). I know, what mean to say; but can we get down to few key things:

a. is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon?

b. if the (a) is true - is jupiter poweful enough to render strong results for - its occupation, its ownership, aspects and natural significations? and if the results indicated are not strong enough - what does it imply? Jupiter is afflicted by Moon. How do you justify poor health, weak education, lack of male progeny, weak health of spouse reflected in personal stress (jupiter is karka for husband as well). If a yoga is so strong - should not it manifest in full - It does not !!!.

c. yoga is never meant to be partial or overridden; it is sure shot indication for its results. For any yoga to give results, planets engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native and must be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted, it is not strong. and please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by weak planets. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3 abortions (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house in full with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha). Even with other factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its overriding factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors - certainly implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart..and gaj keasri yoga is not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I repeat - please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic / weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).

I am putting this example, not to prove or score; so please experiment the above rationale from research perspective. and under any circumstances, I will avoid to drag astrological experience sharing into unnecessary arguments.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

gbp_kumar

Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

Prafulla,

ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK does ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is one want to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an earthquake prone zone?

same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Members

I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the influences of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether gaj kesari yoga is initialized).

Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

Female

July 9, 1972

18.45 IST

Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord sun in 7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu in 2nd house

Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that - if "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses or weak planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble yoga will produce highly inconsistent results and if at all it can - then it can not override the inherent weakness / bad results of dusthana lords.

The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck and fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural significations of jupiter).

Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

regards / Prafulla Gang

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Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Mr Kumar

When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I could not identify them to give clues for consistent results; ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way - linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by classics.

Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future events).

I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>

> Dear Prafulla,

> I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS. as fonts

> or colors r not supported in JR

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr Kumar

> My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets which are

> negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics reference)?

> Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can yoga be

> involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for results,

> which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

> SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

> ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra, Moola

> Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its own

> even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

> a la Gajakesari Yoga.

> If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its results will be

> affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such combinations

> yoga cease to exist.

> WEAK DASA, YOGAS GIVE weak results.

> YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by so many

> factors yogas.

> QUITE OFT EN OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

> DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

> deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also there.

> and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important without

> loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa RESULTS.

> Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

> proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love to see

> such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue (Yes, I am

> aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

> strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can not this

> override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is supposed to

> give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

> I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga itself, and

> validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring too;

> and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

> I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO AUTHORITY BUT

> HAVE BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of ICAS, my guiding

> Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

> BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only discussing its

> relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

> THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it so many

> u can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic etc

> THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC COMPARED

> TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where NONE OF

> US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

> I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru gives slowly

> with honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

> materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees how

> rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

> Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

> through CINEA, TV came in.

> for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with hnonor, may

> be poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but at times

> no wealth to flaunt.

> for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

> malefic.

> I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN post, will scan a page of

> NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the

> ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a

> man who is not free of doubts.

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

> Dear Prafulla,

> I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever he

> is or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such light] did

> not jump into the fray I am not one of them

> NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

> AS I CAN READ IT it is power, status, money, etc

> the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an

> answer on it

> 3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give

> that result who is Neecha too.

> health sani+Sukra does affect health.

> I can write seperately on this if u want

> BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH OF

> THE YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and other Balas

> must support it.

> Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the

> Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

> Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect

> and wealth never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery memorablie

> and made money for the freedom movement or any relief programm and many

> MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna in a enemy sign, with

> shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

> we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to

> applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mr Kumar

> I was expecting this line of argument from you (!!). I know,

> what mean to say; but can we get down to few key things:

> a. is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon?

> b. if the (a) is true - is jupiter poweful enough to render

> strong results for - its occupation, its ownership, aspects and natural

> significations? and if the results indicated are not strong enough -

> what does it imply? Jupiter is afflicted by Moon. How do you justify

> poor health, weak education, lack of male progeny, weak health of

> spouse reflected in personal stress (jupiter is karka for husband as

> well). If a yoga is so strong - should not it manifest in full - It

> does not !!!.

> c. yoga is never meant to be partial or overridden; it is

> sure shot indication for its results. For any yoga to give results,

> planets engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native

> and must be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted, it is not strong.

> and please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by

> weak planets. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3

> abortions (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house

> in full with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha).. Even with

> other factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its

> overriding factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors -

> certainly implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart...and gaj

> keasri yoga is not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I

> repeat - please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic /

> weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).

> I am putting this example, not to prove or score; so please

> experiment the above rationale from research perspective. and under any

> circumstances, I will avoid to drag astrological experience sharing

> into unnecessary arguments.

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

> Prafulla,

> ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

> this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

> the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with

> lumanaries etc.

> and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other

> factors why not here?

> say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK

> does ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is one

> want to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an earthquake

> prone zone?

> same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold

> in such place.

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Members

> I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

> influences of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether gaj

> kesari yoga is initialized).

> Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

> Female

> July 9, 1972

> 18.45 IST

> Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

> dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord

> sun in 7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu in

> 2nd house

> Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that

> - if "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses or

> weak planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble yoga will

> produce highly inconsistent results and if at all it can - then it can

> not override the inherent weakness / bad results of dusthana lords.

> The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck

> and fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural significations

> of jupiter).

> Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a

> sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

> regards / Prafulla Gang

> Prashantkumar G B

> -*- The services of this astrologer are free on group

> but

> off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

> Please fix times for this in advance -*-

> 09840051861

>

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and

> save big.

>

May 30, 2006

Dear Prafulla,

There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

edifices of reality around that perception.

When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

no clue.

The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

exploited too long to even recover en masse!

Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

upon?

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Kumar

>

> When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

(as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

classics.

>

> Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

events).

>

> I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>

> >

> > gbp_kumar

> > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > Â I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

as fonts

> > or colors r not supported in JR

> > Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

whichÂ are

> > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

reference)?

> > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÂ yoga be

> > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas forÂ

results,

> > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

> > Â SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

> > Â ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

Moola

> > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

own

> > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

> > Â a la Gajakesari Yoga.

> > If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

resultsÂ will be

> > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

combinations

> > yoga cease to exist.

> > Â WEAK DASA, YOGASÂ GIVE weak results.

> > Â YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

so many

> > factors yogas.

> > Â QUITE OFT ENÂ OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

> > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

> > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

there.

> > Â and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

without

> > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

RESULTS.

> > Â Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

> > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

toÂ see

> > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

(Yes,Â I am

> > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

> > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

notÂ this

> > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

supposedÂ to

> > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

> > Â I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

itself, and

> > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

too;

> > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

> > Â I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

AUTHORITY BUT

> > HAVEÂ BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members ofÂ ICAS,

my guiding

> > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

> > BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

discussingÂ its

> > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

> > Â THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

so many

> > uÂ can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

etc

> > Â THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

COMPARED

> > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

NONE OF

> > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

> > Â I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

gives slowly

> > withÂ honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

> > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

how

> > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

> > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

> > through CINEA, TV came in.

> > Â for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

hnonor, may

> > beÂ poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

at times

> > noÂ wealth to flaunt.

> > Â for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

> > malefic.

> > Â I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS INÂ post, will scan

a pageÂ of

> > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

> > Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

onÂ the

> > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

purify a

> > man who is not free of doubts.

> > Â Â Â

> > Â gbp_kumar

> > Â Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

> > Â

> > Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

28/5

> > Â Â Â Dear Prafulla,

> > Â Â Â I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

whereverÂ he

> > isÂ or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

light] did

> > notÂ jump into the fray I am not one of them

> > Â Â Â NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

> > Â Â Â AS I CAN READ ITÂ it is power, status, money, etc

> > Â Â Â the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

if u want an

> > answer on it

> > Â Â Â 3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

will give

> > that result who is Neecha too.

> > Â Â Â health sani+Sukra does affect health.

> > Â Â Â I can write seperately on this if u want

> > Â Â Â BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

STRENGTHÂ OF

> > THEÂ YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

other Balas

> > mustÂ support it.

> > Â Â Â Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

defeats the

> > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

> > Â Â Â Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

respect

> > andÂ wealthÂ never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÂ

memorablie

> > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÂ programm

and many

> > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in LagnaÂ in a enemy sign,

with

> > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

> > Â Â Â we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

to

> > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

> > Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I was expecting this line ofÂ Â argument from

you (!!). I know,

> > what mean to say; but can we getÂ downÂ to few key things:

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â a.Â is the jupiter strong for its

relationship with moon?

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â b.Â if the (a) is trueÂ - is jupiterÂ

poweful enough to render

> > strong results for - itsÂ occupation, itsÂ ownership, aspects

and natural

> > significations?Â and if the resultsÂ indicated are not strong

enough -

> > what does itÂ imply? Jupiter isÂ afflicted by Moon. How do you

justify

> > poorÂ health, weak education, lackÂ of male progeny, weak

health of

> > spouse reflected in personal stressÂ (jupiter is karka for

husbandÂ as

> > well).Â If a yoga is so strong -Â should not it manifestÂ in

full - It

> > does not !!!.

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â c.Â yoga isÂ Â neverÂ meantÂ to be

partial or overridden; it is

> > sureÂ shotÂ indication for its results. For any yoga to give

results,

> > planetsÂ engaged therein - must be positively inclined for theÂ

native

> > and mustÂ be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,Â Â it is

not strong.

> > andÂ please quote me from classics, if theyÂ support yoga

formation by

> > weakÂ planets. The fact remains that -Â the lady gone through 3

> > abortionsÂ (will strong jupiter let itÂ happen - if aspecting

5th house

> > in fullÂ with gaj kesari - andÂ that too in guru maha dasha).

Even with

> > otherÂ factors, strongÂ lagnesh should have overruled, all its

> > overridingÂ factors; and ifÂ it fails to meet the overriding

factors -

> > certainlyÂ implies thatÂ guru is rendered weak in the

chart..and gaj

> > keasri yoga isÂ notÂ manifesting (strictly in line with

classics..as I

> > repeat -Â Â Â please quote a support from parashari saying that

malefic /

> > weakÂ planets are candidate for yoga formation).

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I am putting this example,Â not toÂ prove

or score; so please

> > experiment the above rationaleÂ from researchÂ perspective. and

under any

> > circumstances, I willÂ avoid to dragÂ astrological experience

sharing

> > into unnecessaryÂ arguments.

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > Â Â Â Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

> > Â Â Â

> > Â Â Â gbp_kumar

> > Â Â Â Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

> > Â Â Â

> > Â Â Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

yoga 28/5

> > Â Â Â Prafulla,

> > Â Â Â Â Â ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

fortune...

> > Â Â Â Â Â this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

> > Â Â Â Â Â the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

issues with

> > lumanaries etc.

> > Â Â Â Â Â and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

several other

> > factors why not here?

> > Â Â Â Â Â say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

lordÂ itself WAK

> > doesÂ ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modifiedÂ isn't it

that isÂ one

> > wantÂ to build a multi storied buildignÂ on weak soil? or anÂ

earthquake

> > proneÂ zone?

> > Â Â Â Â Â same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

want to buold

> > in such place.

> > Â Â Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear

Members

> > Â Â Â I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

> > influencesÂ of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

(whetherÂ gaj

> > kesari yogaÂ is initialized).

> > Â Â Â Â Â Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

issues

> > Â Â Â Â Â Female

> > Â Â Â Â Â July 9, 1972

> > Â Â Â Â Â 18.45 IST

> > Â Â Â Â Â Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

> > Â Â Â Â Â dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moonÂ

and 9th lord

> > sun inÂ 7th; saturn / venus in 6th;Â ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

rahuÂ in

> > 2nd house

> > Â Â Â Â Â Let us not build overriding theories; but validateÂ

the fact that

> > - ifÂ "shubha" yoga is formed with planetsÂ owning dusthana

housesÂ or

> > weakÂ planets. In my view, thereÂ is no partial yoga; feebleÂ

yoga will

> > produceÂ highlyÂ inconsistent results and if at all itÂ can -

then it can

> > notÂ Â override the inherent weakness / badÂ results of

dusthana lords.

> > Â Â Â Â Â The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

lotsÂ of luck

> > andÂ fortune ..but troubled life (more aroundÂ naturalÂ

significations

> > ofÂ jupiter).

> > Â Â Â Â Â Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

request; but a

> > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

> > Â Â Â Â Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > Prashantkumar G B

> > Â -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

group

> > but

> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

phone.

> > Â PleaseÂ fix times for this in advance -*-

> > Â 09840051861

> >

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

PC and

> > save big.

> >

May 30, 2006

The intellect/ mental part of human beings seeks certainity indeed.

The natural arrogance of being born in human race , the part of life

which has bent a large part of nature to suit its convenience, its

will always feels that nature can be deciphered fully, if not today

then at a future date. This very mode of communication which we use

is a simple illustration of human innovation and change.

Yet, nature , more often than not sends strong signals saying that

the humans need more effort in their endeavor to understand nature.

Left unsaid, is perhaps, only a conjecture, that deep within each

human being lies an untapped reservoir of unconscious awareness

which gives some more answers. For that, do the humans need to look

beyond what the mind can see; to what the intellect can absorb ; to

probe deeper within to look at what emotions can offer, to look from

that perspective which is there, yet not perceptible, to look at

what the spirit offers?

Its here that reason and logic merge with faith and belief.

Just rambling on the philosphy of astrology in case, I digress from

astrological context of the forum.

regards

rishi

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

> soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying

it!

>

> Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

> stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and

created

> edifices of reality around that perception.

>

> When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

> feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

>

> A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination

that

> still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>

> One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam,

korea,

> india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>

> The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected

out

> of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

shipped

> back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

> rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or

those

> times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

anything

> more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

> afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>

> Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child

and

> was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being

one

> of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>

> Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it?

The

> mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

> perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she

has

> no clue.

>

> The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

> inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

> society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!

>

> Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

> illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

> exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>

> Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

> they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation

stand

> upon?

>

> RR

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr Kumar

> >

> > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

heavily

> (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

> discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as

defined

> in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other,

I

> could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

> ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

> astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts

and

> worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications

for

> events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a

way -

> linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

> classics.

> >

> > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

overriding

> principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads

to

> inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

future

> events).

> >

> > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I

am

> not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

forward

> to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> >

> > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

on

> the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

> purify a man who is not free of doubts.

> >

> > >

> > > gbp_kumar@

> > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

> > >

> > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

> > >

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > Â I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in

CAPS.

> as fonts

> > > or colors r not supported in JR

> > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > > My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

> whichÂ are

> > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

> reference)?

> > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÂ

yoga be

> > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas

forÂ

> results,

> > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

> > > Â SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

> > > Â ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

Kendra,

> Moola

> > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on

its

> own

> > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

> > > Â a la Gajakesari Yoga.

> > > If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

> resultsÂ will be

> > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

> combinations

> > > yoga cease to exist.

> > > Â WEAK DASA, YOGASÂ GIVE weak results.

> > > Â YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED

by

> so many

> > > factors yogas.

> > > Â QUITE OFT ENÂ OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN

SAID

> > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha,

Phala

> > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is

also

> there.

> > > Â and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

important

> without

> > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

> RESULTS.

> > > Â Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define

any

> > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will

love

> toÂ see

> > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

> (Yes,Â I am

> > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing

with

> > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then

can

> notÂ this

> > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

> supposedÂ to

> > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru..

> > > Â I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

> itself, and

> > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

exploring

> too;

> > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

> > > Â I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

> AUTHORITY BUT

> > > HAVEÂ BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members ofÂ

ICAS,

> my guiding

> > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

> > > BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

> discussingÂ its

> > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

> > > Â THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on

it

> so many

> > > uÂ can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a

malefic

> etc

> > > Â THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A

BEIFIC

> COMPARED

> > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas

where

> NONE OF

> > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

> > > Â I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

> gives slowly

> > > withÂ honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

> > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world

sees

> how

> > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too

after

> > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond

sense

> > > through CINEA, TV came in.

> > > Â for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

> hnonor, may

> > > beÂ poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect

but

> at times

> > > noÂ wealth to flaunt.

> > > Â for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it

is a

> > > malefic.

> > > Â I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS INÂ post, will

scan

> a pageÂ of

> > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

> > > Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping

> onÂ the

> > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

> purify a

> > > man who is not free of doubts.

> > > Â Â Â

> > > Â gbp_kumar@

> > > Â Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

> > > Â

> > > Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

> 28/5

> > > Â Â Â Dear Prafulla,

> > > Â Â Â I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

> whereverÂ he

> > > isÂ or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

> light] did

> > > notÂ jump into the fray I am not one of them

> > > Â Â Â NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR

NOT

> > > Â Â Â AS I CAN READ ITÂ it is power, status, money, etc

> > > Â Â Â the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga

but

> if u want an

> > > answer on it

> > > Â Â Â 3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu.

surely

> will give

> > > that result who is Neecha too.

> > > Â Â Â health sani+Sukra does affect health.

> > > Â Â Â I can write seperately on this if u want

> > > Â Â Â BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

> STRENGTHÂ OF

> > > THEÂ YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

> other Balas

> > > mustÂ support it.

> > > Â Â Â Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

> defeats the

> > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

> > > Â Â Â Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga

commended

> respect

> > > andÂ wealthÂ never ammased wealth though rather slod

evveryÂ

> memorablie

> > > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÂ

programm

> and many

> > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in LagnaÂ in a enemy

sign,

> with

> > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

> > > Â Â Â we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion

due

> to

> > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

> > > Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I was expecting this line ofÂ Â argument

from

> you (!!). I know,

> > > what mean to say; but can we getÂ downÂ to few key things:

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â a.Â is the jupiter strong for its

> relationship with moon?

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â b.Â if the (a) is trueÂ - is jupiterÂ

> poweful enough to render

> > > strong results for - itsÂ occupation, itsÂ ownership,

aspects

> and natural

> > > significations?Â and if the resultsÂ indicated are not

strong

> enough -

> > > what does itÂ imply? Jupiter isÂ afflicted by Moon.. How do

you

> justify

> > > poorÂ health, weak education, lackÂ of male progeny, weak

> health of

> > > spouse reflected in personal stressÂ (jupiter is karka for

> husbandÂ as

> > > well).Â If a yoga is so strong -Â should not it manifestÂ

in

> full - It

> > > does not !!!.

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â c.Â yoga isÂ Â neverÂ meantÂ to be

> partial or overridden; it is

> > > sureÂ shotÂ indication for its results. For any yoga to give

> results,

> > > planetsÂ engaged therein - must be positively inclined for

theÂ

> native

> > > and mustÂ be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,Â Â it

is

> not strong.

> > > andÂ please quote me from classics, if theyÂ support yoga

> formation by

> > > weakÂ planets. The fact remains that -Â the lady gone

through 3

> > > abortionsÂ (will strong jupiter let itÂ happen - if

aspecting

> 5th house

> > > in fullÂ with gaj kesari - andÂ that too in guru maha

dasha).

> Even with

> > > otherÂ factors, strongÂ lagnesh should have overruled, all

its

> > > overridingÂ factors; and ifÂ it fails to meet the overriding

> factors -

> > > certainlyÂ implies thatÂ guru is rendered weak in the

> chart..and gaj

> > > keasri yoga isÂ notÂ manifesting (strictly in line with

> classics..as I

> > > repeat -Â Â Â please quote a support from parashari saying

that

> malefic /

> > > weakÂ planets are candidate for yoga formation).

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I am putting this example,Â not toÂ

prove

> or score; so please

> > > experiment the above rationaleÂ from researchÂ perspective.

and

> under any

> > > circumstances, I willÂ avoid to dragÂ astrological

experience

> sharing

> > > into unnecessaryÂ arguments.

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > Â Â Â Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

> > > Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â gbp_kumar@

> > > Â Â Â Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

> > > Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

> yoga 28/5

> > > Â Â Â Prafulla,

> > > Â Â Â Â Â ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck

and

> fortune...

> > > Â Â Â Â Â this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

> > > Â Â Â Â Â the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

> issues with

> > > lumanaries etc.

> > > Â Â Â Â Â and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

> several other

> > > factors why not here?

> > > Â Â Â Â Â say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

> lordÂ itself WAK

> > > doesÂ ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modifiedÂ isn't it

> that isÂ one

> > > wantÂ to build a multi storied buildignÂ on weak soil? or

anÂ

> earthquake

> > > proneÂ zone?

> > > Â Â Â Â Â same here u can do it and add other safeguards if

u

> want to buold

> > > in such place.

> > > Â Â Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear

> Members

> > > Â Â Â I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

> > > influencesÂ of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

> (whetherÂ gaj

> > > kesari yogaÂ is initialized).

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

> issues

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Female

> > > Â Â Â Â Â July 9, 1972

> > > Â Â Â Â Â 18.45 IST

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

> > > Â Â Â Â Â dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord

moonÂ

> and 9th lord

> > > sun inÂ 7th; saturn / venus in 6th;Â ketu/mars/mercury in

8th;

> rahuÂ in

> > > 2nd house

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Let us not build overriding theories; but

validateÂ

> the fact that

> > > - ifÂ "shubha" yoga is formed with planetsÂ owning dusthana

> housesÂ or

> > > weakÂ planets. In my view, thereÂ is no partial yoga;

feebleÂ

> yoga will

> > > produceÂ highlyÂ inconsistent results and if at all itÂ

can -

> then it can

> > > notÂ Â override the inherent weakness / badÂ results of

> dusthana lords.

> > > Â Â Â Â Â The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

> lotsÂ of luck

> > > andÂ fortune ..but troubled life (more aroundÂ naturalÂ

> significations

> > > ofÂ jupiter).

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

> request; but a

> > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

> > > Â Â Â Â Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > Â -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> group

> > > but

> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> phone.

> > > Â PleaseÂ fix times for this in advance -*-

> > > Â 09840051861

> > >

> > > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from

your

> PC and

> > > save big.

> > >

May 30, 2006

Dear Mr Kumar

Let me clarify you (- I wanted to stress on few things):

a.In my view - gaj kesari will not work - if moon or jupiter defies the definition of being benefic for any specific lagna (parashar has listed planets benefic / malefic for each lagna) - as if one of them is negative, then the mutual combination leads to affliction by one another. It is not only the weak jupiter, I was arguing about (weak jupiter was with reference to the fact, that if afflicted, does it lose its strength - to prove the point mentioned here or such association render jupiter strong as protrayed by GK yoga) - You too vindicated the fact that, jupiter is rendered weak in the example quoted.

b. Your argument of partial yoga or weak yoga (if both planets are benefic, but weak) - is an issue, where I am open to explore further - if such an association resulting into weak yoga works or not.

In summary - it is not the natural status of planet (krur / somya), which are critical for yoga; but its functional one (shubha or ashubha). However, if the both (or more) planets are shubha in nature, then yoga's strength needs to be considered (I am open to explore this argument). However, at no stage the yoga can defy the fundamental of ( plus add minus = minus; minus add minus = plus; plus add plus = plus; minus add plus = minus). Extending the same principle - any association of two or more planets need to be determined. Saturn / mars are krur planets; but any yoga with mutual association of these planets - can be positive, provided both are shubha for a chart. You see the fundamental of VRY - dusthana lord into another dusthana; or forming association with another dusthana lord ends up positive - as it complies with rational of any planetary association.

Any yoga, which defies the fundamental of chart reading, should not be applied blindly; as on the one hand, we agree to the afflicted jupiter; and at the same time accepting it as candidate for yoga results (much more positive). Recently, on another forum too, Shri Sanjay Rath also supported the fact that unmaada yoga (for 1/7 relationship of two planets) will cease to exist, if a shubha graha like guru is engaged.

Ranjan ji's mail was absolutely astrological in nature. His explanation on the evasiveness of conclusion ('proof'), was well presented through a story - which says about the karmic nature of events. Since he did not write about any planet in question there, should not be interpreted as non astrological. Moreover, your mind always have choice of rejection to any line of thought. I make you a sincere request to avoid any personal comments.

I certainly, do not intend to question your expertise on the yoga. On the contrary, I look forward to receive your notes on yoga (which you promised to post) and learn from the forum.

regards / Prafulla Gang

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>

> gbp_kumar

> Tue, 30 May 2006 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5 comment

> on subject only.

>

> RR,

> Â as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

> discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

> collectin of short stories, poems etc.

> Â but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

> Â IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

> thnking, it is a poor connection.

> Â AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

> research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,Â KN

> RAO etc have done.

> Â I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

> hereÂ in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

> discussionsÂ memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

> participate we do getÂ at worign seriously.

> Â BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE A

> VUEW IT IS WELCOME

> Â MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak - I

> sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

> Â THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only full

> results?

> Â WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will like

> your research to throw as many as You can.

> Â aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it the

> job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

> Â she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her 5th

> lord in 8th with ketu

> Â PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories, poetry

> have NO USE

> Â i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if you

> have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone there..

> Â I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu, Malyalam

> literature too.

> crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dear Prafulla,

> Â There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

> Â soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

> Â Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

> Â stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

> Â edifices of reality around that perception.

> Â When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

> Â feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

> Â A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

> Â still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

> Â One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

> Â india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

> Â The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

> Â of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

> Â back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

> Â rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

> Â times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

> Â more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

> Â afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

> Â Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

> Â was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

> Â of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

> Â Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

> Â mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

> Â perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

> Â no clue.

> Â The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

> Â inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

> Â society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

> Â Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

> Â illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

> Â exploited too long to even recover en masse!

> Â Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

> Â they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

> Â upon?

> Â RR

> Â Â , Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

> Â wrote:

> Â >

> Â > Dear Mr Kumar

> Â >

> Â > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

> Â (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

> Â discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

> Â in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

> Â could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

> Â ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

> Â astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

> Â worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

> Â events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

> Â Â linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

> Â classics.

> Â >

> Â > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

> Â principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

> Â inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

> Â events).

> Â >

> Â > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

> Â not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

> Â to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

> Â >

> Â > regards / Prafulla Gang

> Â >

> Â > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

> Â the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

> Â purify a man who is not free of doubts.

> Â >

> Â > >

> Â > > gbp_kumar

> Â > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

> Â > >

> Â > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

> Â > >

> Â > > Dear Prafulla,

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

> Â as fonts

> Â > > or colors r not supported in JR

> Â > >Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Dear Mr Kumar

> Â > >Â My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

> Â whichÃ‚Â are

> Â > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÃ‚

> Â reference)?

> Â > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÃ‚Â yoga be

> Â > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas forÃ‚

> Â results,

> Â > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

> Â Moola

> Â > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

> Â own

> Â > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â a la Gajakesari Yoga.

> Â > >Â If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

> Â resultsÃ‚Â will be

> Â > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÃ‚

> Â combinations

> Â > > yoga cease to exist.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â WEAK DASA, YOGASÃ‚Â GIVE weak results.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

> Â so many

> Â > > factors yogas.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â QUITE OFT ENÃ‚Â OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

> Â > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

> Â > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

> Â there.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

> Â without

> Â > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

> Â RESULTS.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

> Â > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

> Â toÃ‚Â see

> Â > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

> Â (Yes,Ã‚Â I am

> Â > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

> Â > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

> Â notÃ‚Â this

> Â > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

> Â supposedÃ‚Â to

> Â > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

> Â itself, and

> Â > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

> Â too;

> Â > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

> Â AUTHORITY BUT

> Â > > HAVEÃ‚Â BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members ofÃ‚Â ICAS,

> Â my guiding

> Â > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

> Â > >Â BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

> Â discussingÃ‚Â its

> Â > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

> Â so many

> Â > > uÃ‚Â can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

> Â etc

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

> Â COMPARED

> Â > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

> Â NONE OF

> Â > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

> Â gives slowly

> Â > > withÃ‚Â honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

> Â > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

> Â how

> Â > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

> Â > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

> Â > > through CINEA, TV came in.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

> Â hnonor, may

> Â > > beÃ‚Â poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

> Â at times

> Â > > noÃ‚Â wealth to flaunt.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

> Â > > malefic.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS INÃ‚Â post, will scan

> Â a pageÃ‚Â of

> Â > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> Â > >Â Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

> Â onÃ‚Â the

> Â > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÃ‚

> Â purify a

> Â > > man who is not free of doubts.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â gbp_kumar

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

> Â 28/5

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Dear Prafulla,

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

> Â whereverÃ‚Â he

> Â > > isÃ‚Â or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÃ‚

> Â light] did

> Â > > notÃ‚Â jump into the fray I am not one of them

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â AS I CAN READ ITÃ‚Â it is power, status, money, etc

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

> Â if u want an

> Â > > answer on it

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â 3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

> Â will give

> Â > > that result who is Neecha too.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â health sani+Sukra does affect health.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â I can write seperately on this if u want

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

> Â STRENGTHÃ‚Â OF

> Â > > THEÃ‚Â YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÃ‚

> Â other Balas

> Â > > mustÃ‚Â support it.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

> Â defeats the

> Â > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

> Â respect

> Â > > andÃ‚Â wealthÃ‚Â never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÃ‚

> Â memorablie

> Â > > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÃ‚Â programm

> Â and many

> Â > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in LagnaÃ‚Â in a enemy sign,

> Â with

> Â > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

> Â to

> Â > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish.> wrote:Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Dear Mr Kumar

> >Â >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â IÂ was expecting this line ofÃ‚ Ã‚Â argument from

> Â you (!!). I know,

> Â > > what mean to say; but can we getÃ‚Â downÃ‚Â to few key things:

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â a.Ã‚Â is the jupiter strong for its

> Â relationship with moon?

> Â > >Â Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Â b.Ã‚Â if the (a) is trueÃ‚Â - is jupiterÃ‚

> Â poweful enough to render

> Â > > strong results for - itsÃ‚Â occupation, itsÃ‚Â ownership, aspects

> Â and natural

> Â > > significations?Ã‚Â and if the resultsÃ‚Â indicated are not strong

> Â enough -

> Â > > what does itÃ‚Â imply? Jupiter isÃ‚Â afflicted by Moon. How do you

> Â justify

> Â > > poorÃ‚Â health, weak education, lackÃ‚Â of male progeny, weak

> Â health of

> Â > > spouse reflected in personal stressÃ‚Â (jupiter is karka for

> Â husbandÃ‚Â as

> Â > > well).Ã‚Â If a yoga is so strong -Ã‚Â should not it manifestÃ‚Â in

> Â full - It

> Â > > does not !!!.

> Â > >Â Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Â c.Ã‚Â yoga isÃ‚ Ã‚Â neverÃ‚Â meantÃ‚Â to be

> Â partial or overridden; it is

> Â > > sureÃ‚Â shotÃ‚Â indication for its results. For any yoga to give

> Â results,

> Â > > planetsÃ‚Â engaged therein - must be positively inclined for theÃ‚

> Â native

> Â > > and mustÃ‚Â be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,Ã‚ Ã‚Â it is

> Â not strong.

> Â > > andÃ‚Â please quote me from classics, if theyÃ‚Â support yoga

> Â formation by

> Â > > weakÃ‚Â planets. The fact remains that -Ã‚Â the lady gone through 3

> Â > > abortionsÃ‚Â (will strong jupiter let itÃ‚Â happen - if aspecting

> Â 5th house

> Â > > in fullÃ‚Â with gaj kesari - andÃ‚Â that too in guru maha dasha).

> Â Even with

> Â > > otherÃ‚Â factors, strongÃ‚Â lagnesh should have overruled, all its

> Â > > overridingÃ‚Â factors; and ifÃ‚Â it fails to meet the overriding

> Â factors -

> Â > > certainlyÃ‚Â implies thatÃ‚Â guru is rendered weak in the

> Â chart..and gaj

> Â > > keasri yoga isÃ‚Â notÃ‚Â manifesting (strictly in line with

> Â classics..as I

> Â > > repeat -Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â please quote a support from parashari saying that

> Â malefic /

> Â > > weakÃ‚Â planets are candidate for yoga formation).

> Â > >Â Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â I amÂ putting this example,Ã‚Â not toÃ‚Â prove

> Â or score; so please

> Â > > experiment the above rationaleÃ‚Â from researchÃ‚Â perspective. and

> Â under any

> Â > > circumstances, I willÃ‚Â avoid to dragÃ‚Â astrological experience

> Â sharing

> Â > > into unnecessaryÃ‚Â arguments.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â gbp_kumar

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

> Â yoga 28/5

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Prafulla,

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

> Â fortune...

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

> Â issues with

> Â > > lumanaries etc.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

> Â several other

> Â > > factors why not here?

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

> Â lordÃ‚Â itself WAK

> Â > > doesÃ‚Â ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modifiedÃ‚Â isn't it

> Â that isÃ‚Â one

> Â > > wantÃ‚Â to build a multi storied buildignÃ‚Â on weak soil? or anÃ‚

> Â earthquake

> Â > > proneÃ‚Â zone?

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

> Â want to buold

> Â > > in such place.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish>Â wrote:Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Dear

> Â Members

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

> Â > > influencesÃ‚Â of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÃ‚

> Â (whetherÃ‚Â gaj

> Â > > kesari yogaÃ‚Â is initialized).

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

> Â issues

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Female

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â July 9, 1972

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â 18.45 IST

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moonÃ‚

> Â and 9th lord

> Â > > sun inÃ‚Â 7th; saturn / venus in 6th;Ã‚Â ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

> Â rahuÃ‚Â in

> Â > > 2nd house

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Let us not build overriding theories; but validateÃ‚

> Â the fact that

> Â > > - ifÃ‚Â "shubha" yoga is formed with planetsÃ‚Â owning dusthana

> Â housesÃ‚Â or

> Â > > weakÃ‚Â planets. In my view, thereÃ‚Â is no partial yoga; feebleÃ‚

> Â yoga will

> Â > > produceÃ‚Â highlyÃ‚Â inconsistent results and if at all itÃ‚Â can -

> Â then it can

> Â > > notÃ‚ Ã‚Â override the inherent weakness / badÃ‚Â results of

> Â dusthana lords.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

> Â lotsÃ‚Â of luck

> Â > > andÃ‚Â fortune ..but troubled life (more aroundÃ‚Â naturalÃ‚

> Â significations

> Â > > ofÃ‚Â jupiter).

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â Please note that - this is not chart readingÃ‚

> Â request; but a

> Â > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

> Â > >Â Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> Â > >Â Prashantkumar G B

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> Â group

> Â > > but

> Â > >Â Â off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> Â phone.

> Â > >Â Ã‚Â PleaseÃ‚Â fix times for this in advance -*-

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> Â > >Â

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May 30, 2006

Prafulla,

As you know, I do not have undying fundamentalistic subservience to

astrology and hence I have always seen it as yet another tool or

approach to figure out this mystery of Creation and Universe (now the

physicists tell me there are several of those in a budding formation

like a cactus! Read Kaku's Parallel Worlds -- fascinating book!). For

me what science can explain about the world and human experience does

not have to absolutely fit with what astrology describes the human

experience as. But together the two tell me a bit more, at least,

than either alone could!

Thus approaching reality moment to moment, without putting all my

eggs in either basket, I am free to pick one or other, or both. Call

me cognito-opportunist!

And the best part is this: In this view of mine, neither are fully

developed or perfect! So, in other words, both have room to grow, can

flourish further. With that flexibility, it all becomes a wonderful

exploration, an experiment and not a matter of pride or vanity. And

once that baggage of ego and false pride and territory is not there,

one becomes more open and forgiving and less likely to be jealous or

acquisitive or unsure and threatened.

So many possibilities exist that who has time for denial and tying

oneself down to dogmas!

RR

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan ji

>

> Very relevant note and story indeed. Yes, most of times, we get

into the typical syndrome of perceived reality for "certainity we

observe" and forget the karmic influences of each event / phase.

>

> Perhaps - Astrology is beyond the resultants, we might predict in

our current life; and we will truly serve it, if we can connect it

more to karmic balance sheet. But many a times, we are expected to

read influences on current life; and many a times, our weak mind also

strives for results too.

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>

> >

> > rrgb

> > Tue, 30 May 2006 03:50:41 -0000

> >

> > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> > There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

> > soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying

it!

> > Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

> > stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and

created

> > edifices of reality around that perception.

> > When something has already happened or occurred, taken place --

we

> > feel we have no option and that must be the truth,

unconditionally!

> > A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination

that

> > still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today..

> > One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam,

korea,

> > india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

> > The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected

out

> > of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

shipped

> > back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

> > rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or

those

> > times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

anything

> > more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

> > afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

> > Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child

and

> > was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being

one

> > of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

> > Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it?

The

> > mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

> > perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but

she has

> > no clue.

> > The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

> > inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

> > society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is

it!>

> > Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is

the

> > illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

> > exploited too long to even recover en masse!

> > Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

> > they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation

stand

> > upon?

> > RR

> > , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr Kumar

> > >

> > > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

heavily

> > (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

> > discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as

defined

> > in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or

other, I

> > could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

> > ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

> > astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts

and

> > worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications

for

> > events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a

way -

> > linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

> > classics.

> > >

> > > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

overriding

> > principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads

to

> > inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

future

> > events).

> > >

> > > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga.

I am

> > not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

forward

> > to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >

> > > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

on

> > the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

> > purify a man who is not free of doubts.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > gbp_kumar@

> > > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

29/5

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > >Â Ã‚Â I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in

CAPS.

> > as fonts

> > > > or colors r not supported in JR

> > > >Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

wrote:Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > > >Â My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

> > whichÃ‚Â are

> > > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or

classicsÃ‚

> > reference)?

> > > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÃ‚Â

yoga be

> > > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas

forÃ‚

> > results,

> > > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

> > > >Â Ã‚Â ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

Kendra,

> > Moola

> > > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on

its

> > own

> > > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

> > > >Â Ã‚Â a la Gajakesari Yoga.

> > > >Â If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

> > resultsÃ‚Â will be

> > > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÃ‚

> > combinations

> > > > yoga cease to exist.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â WEAK DASA, YOGASÃ‚Â GIVE weak results.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS

ASSESSED by

> > so many

> > > > factors yogas.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â QUITE OFT ENÃ‚Â OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS

THAN SAID

> > > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha,

Phala

> > > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is

also

> > there.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

important

> > without

> > > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

> > RESULTS.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not

define any

> > > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will

love

> > toÃ‚Â see

> > > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

> > (Yes,Ã‚Â I am

> > > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so

existing with

> > > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then

can

> > notÃ‚Â this

> > > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

> > supposedÃ‚Â to

> > > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of

yoga

> > itself, and

> > > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

exploring

> > too;

> > > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

> > AUTHORITY BUT

> > > > HAVEÃ‚Â BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members

ofÃ‚Â ICAS,

> > my guiding

> > > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

> > > >Â BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

> > discussingÃ‚Â its

> > > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read

threads on it

> > so many

> > > > uÃ‚Â can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a

malefic

> > etc

> > > >Â Ã‚Â THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A

BEIFIC

> > COMPARED

> > > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas

where

> > NONE OF

> > > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail

Guru

> > gives slowly

> > > > withÃ‚Â honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way ,

but

> > > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world

sees

> > how

> > > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic.., that too

after

> > > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond

sense

> > > > through CINEA, TV came in.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn

with

> > hnonor, may

> > > > beÃ‚Â poor but academically rich, well know, comands

respect but

> > at times

> > > > noÃ‚Â wealth to flaunt.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos

one it is a

> > > > malefic.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS INÃ‚Â post,

will scan

> > a pageÃ‚Â of

> > > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >Â Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping

> > onÃ‚Â the

> > > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

canÃ‚

> > purify a

> > > > man who is not free of doubts.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â

> > > >Â Ã‚Â gbp_kumar@

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >Â Ã‚Â

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

yoga

> > 28/5

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Dear Prafulla,

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is

a maleic

> > whereverÃ‚Â he

> > > > isÃ‚Â or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in

suchÃ‚

> > light] did

> > > > notÃ‚Â jump into the fray I am not one of them

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA

OPERATE OR NOT

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â AS I CAN READ ITÃ‚Â it is power, status,

money, etc

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â the other questions are not part of

Gajakesari Yoga but

> > if u want an

> > > > answer on it

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â 3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic

ketu. surely

> > will give

> > > > that result who is Neecha too.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â health sani+Sukra does affect health.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I can write seperately on this if u want

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE

PROPORTIONAL TO

> > STRENGTHÃ‚Â OF

> > > > THEÃ‚Â YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA

andÃ‚

> > other Balas

> > > > mustÃ‚Â support it.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male

isuses

> > defeats the

> > > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari

yoga commended

> > respect

> > > > andÃ‚Â wealthÃ‚Â never ammased wealth though rather slod

evveryÃ‚

> > memorablie

> > > > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÃ‚Â

programm

> > and many

> > > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in LagnaÃ‚Â in a enemy

sign,

> > with

> > > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â we can show that there be come qualitative

reductuion due

> > to

> > > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

wrote:Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Dear Mr Kumar

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I was expecting this line

ofÃ‚Â Ã‚Â argument from

> > you (!!). I know,

> > > > what mean to say; but can we getÃ‚Â downÃ‚Â to few key

things:

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â a.Ã‚Â is the jupiter

strong for its

> > relationship with moon?

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â b.Ã‚Â if the (a) is

trueÃ‚Â - is jupiterÃ‚

> > poweful enough to render

> > > > strong results for - itsÃ‚Â occupation, itsÃ‚Â ownership,

aspects

> > and natural

> > > > significations?Ã‚Â and if the resultsÃ‚Â indicated are not

strong

> > enough -

> > > > what does itÃ‚Â imply? Jupiter isÃ‚Â afflicted by Moon.

How do you

> > justify

> > > > poorÃ‚Â health, weak education, lackÃ‚Â of male progeny,

weak

> > health of

> > > > spouse reflected in personal stressÃ‚Â (jupiter is karka for

> > husbandÃ‚Â as

> > > > well).Ã‚Â If a yoga is so strong -Ã‚Â should not it

manifestÃ‚Â in

> > full - It

> > > > does not !!!.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â c.Ã‚Â yoga

isÃ‚Â Ã‚Â neverÃ‚Â meantÃ‚Â to be

> > partial or overridden; it is

> > > > sureÃ‚Â shotÃ‚Â indication for its results. For any yoga

to give

> > results,

> > > > planetsÃ‚Â engaged therein - must be positively inclined

for theÃ‚

> > native

> > > > and mustÃ‚Â be strong as well. If jupiter is

afflicted,Ã‚Â Ã‚Â it is

> > not strong.

> > > > andÃ‚Â please quote me from classics, if theyÃ‚Â support

yoga

> > formation by

> > > > weakÃ‚Â planets. The fact remains that -Ã‚Â the lady gone

through 3

> > > > abortionsÃ‚Â (will strong jupiter let itÃ‚Â happen - if

aspecting

> > 5th house

> > > > in fullÃ‚Â with gaj kesari - andÃ‚Â that too in guru maha

dasha).

> > Even with

> > > > otherÃ‚Â factors, strongÃ‚Â lagnesh should have overruled,

all its

> > > > overridingÃ‚Â factors; and ifÃ‚Â it fails to meet the

overriding

> > factors -

> > > > certainlyÃ‚Â implies thatÃ‚Â guru is rendered weak in the

> > chart..and gaj

> > > > keasri yoga isÃ‚Â notÃ‚Â manifesting (strictly in line with

> > classics..as I

> > > > repeat -Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â please quote a support from parashari

saying that

> > malefic /

> > > > weakÃ‚Â planets are candidate for yoga formation).

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I am putting this

example,Ã‚Â not toÃ‚Â prove

> > or score; so please

> > > > experiment the above rationaleÃ‚Â from researchÃ‚Â

perspective. and

> > under any

> > > > circumstances, I willÃ‚Â avoid to dragÃ‚Â astrological

experience

> > sharing

> > > > into unnecessaryÃ‚Â arguments.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla

Gang

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â gbp_kumar@

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Re: case study - guru / moon

gaj kesari

> > yoga 28/5

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Prafulla,

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has

lots of luck and

> > fortune...

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â the other issues not par of it, NO

male issue or

> > issues with

> > > > lumanaries etc.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â and as u said in earlier posts that

there will be

> > several other

> > > > factors why not here?

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â say even Lagna lord going to

dusthana, if lagna

> > lordÃ‚Â itself WAK

> > > > doesÃ‚Â ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modifiedÃ‚Â

isn't it

> > that isÃ‚Â one

> > > > wantÃ‚Â to build a multi storied buildignÃ‚Â on weak soil?

or anÃ‚

> > earthquake

> > > > proneÃ‚Â zone?

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â same here u can do it and add other

safeguards if u

> > want to buold

> > > > in such place.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

wrote:Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Dear

> > Members

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â I will be posting few charts and let us

investigate the

> > > > influencesÃ‚Â of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÃ‚

> > (whetherÃ‚Â gaj

> > > > kesari yogaÃ‚Â is initialized).

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Case of denial of male progeny and

constant health

> > issues

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Female

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â July 9, 1972

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â 18.45 IST

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna;

8th lord moonÃ‚

> > and 9th lord

> > > > sun inÃ‚Â 7th; saturn / venus in 6th;Ã‚Â ketu/mars/mercury

in 8th;

> > rahuÃ‚Â in

> > > > 2nd house

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Let us not build overriding theories;

but validateÃ‚

> > the fact that

> > > > - ifÃ‚Â "shubha" yoga is formed with planetsÃ‚Â owning

dusthana

> > housesÃ‚Â or

> > > > weakÃ‚Â planets. In my view, thereÃ‚Â is no partial yoga;

feebleÃ‚

> > yoga will

> > > > produceÃ‚Â highlyÃ‚Â inconsistent results and if at all

itÃ‚Â can -

> > then it can

> > > > notÃ‚Â Ã‚Â override the inherent weakness / badÃ‚Â results

of

> > dusthana lords.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years

back - has

> > lotsÃ‚Â of luck

> > > > andÃ‚Â fortune ..but troubled life (more aroundÃ‚Â

naturalÃ‚

> > significations

> > > > ofÃ‚Â jupiter).

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Please note that - this is not chart

readingÃ‚

> > request; but a

> > > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >Â Prashantkumar G B

> > > >Â Ã‚Â -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > group

> > > > but

> > > >Â Â off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

or

> > phone.

> > > >Â Ã‚Â PleaseÃ‚Â fix times for this in advance -*-

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