case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

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Prafulla,

  ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

  this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

  the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

  and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

  say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is one want  to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an earthquake prone  zone?

  same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

 

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Members

 

I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether gaj kesari yoga  is initialized).

 

  Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

  Female

  July 9, 1972

  18.45 IST

  Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

 

  dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu in 2nd house

 

  Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses or weak  planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble yoga will produce  highly inconsistent results and if at all it can - then it can not  override the inherent weakness / bad results of dusthana lords.

 

  The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural significations of  jupiter).

 

  Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

 

  regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Prashantkumar G B

  

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Dear Mr Kumar   

 

       I was expecting this line of argument from you (!!). I know, what mean to say; but can we get down to few key things:

 

      a.  is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon? 

 

      b.  if the (a) is true - is jupiter poweful enough to render strong results for - its occupation, its ownership, aspects and natural significations? and if the results indicated are not strong enough - what does it imply? Jupiter is afflicted by Moon. How do you justify poor health, weak education, lack of male progeny, weak health of spouse reflected in personal stress (jupiter is karka for husband as well).  If a yoga is so strong - should not it manifest in full - It does not !!!.

 

      c.  yoga is  never meant  to be partial or overridden; it is sure shot indication for its results. For any yoga to give results, planets engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native and must be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,  it is not strong. and please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by weak planets. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3 abortions (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house in full with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha). Even with other factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its overriding factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors - certainly implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart..and gaj keasri yoga is not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I repeat -  please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic / weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).  

 

      I am putting this example, not to prove or score; so please experiment the above rationale from research perspective. and under any circumstances, I will avoid to drag astrological experience sharing into unnecessary arguments.

 

      regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

 

 

gbp_kumar

Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

 

Prafulla,

  ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

  this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

  the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

  and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

  say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is one want  to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an earthquake prone  zone?

  same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Members

I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether gaj kesari yoga  is initialized).

  Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

  Female

  July 9, 1972

  18.45 IST

  Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

  dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu in 2nd house

  Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses or weak  planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble yoga will produce  highly inconsistent results and if at all it can - then it can not  override the inherent weakness / bad results of dusthana lords.

  The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural significations of  jupiter).

  Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

  regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Prashantkumar G B

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Dear Prafulla,

  I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever he is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such light] did not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

 

  NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

 

  the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an answer on it

 

  3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give that result who is Neecha too.

  health sani+Sukra does affect health.

 

  I can write seperately on this if u want

  BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH OF THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and other Balas must  support it.

  Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

 

  Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery memorablie  and made money for the freedom movement or any relief programm and many  MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna in a enemy sign, with  shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

 

  we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

 

 

 

 

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar   

 

       I was expecting this line of  argument from you (!!). I know, what mean to say; but can we get down  to few key things:

 

        a.  is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon? 

 

        b.  if the (a) is true - is jupiter  poweful enough to render strong results for - its occupation, its  ownership, aspects and natural significations? and if the results  indicated are not strong enough - what does it imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you justify poor health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak health of spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for husband as well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest in full - It does not !!!.

 

        c.  yoga is  never  meant  to be partial or overridden; it is sure shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give results, planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,  it is not strong. and  please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by weak  planets. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3 abortions  (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house in full  with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha). Even with other  factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its overriding  factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors - certainly  implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart..and gaj keasri yoga is  not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I repeat -   please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic /  weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).  

 

        I am putting this example, not to  prove or score; so please experiment the above rationale from research  perspective. and under any circumstances, I will avoid to drag  astrological experience sharing into unnecessary arguments.

 

        regards / Prafulla Gang

 

  Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

 

 

  gbp_kumar

  Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

 

  Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

 

  Prafulla,

    ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

    this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

    the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

    and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

    say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK  does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is  one want  to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an  earthquake prone  zone?

    same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

  Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Members

  I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the  influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether  gaj kesari yoga  is initialized).

    Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

    Female

    July 9, 1972

    18.45 IST

    Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

    dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord  sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu  in 2nd house

    Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that  - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses  or weak  planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble  yoga will produce  highly inconsistent results and if at all it  can - then it can not  override the inherent weakness / bad  results of dusthana lords.

    The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck  and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural  significations of  jupiter).

    Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

    regards / Prafulla Gang

 

  Prashantkumar G B

    09840051861

  ------------------------

 

Prashantkumar G B

  

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Dear Mr Kumar

 

My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets which are negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics reference)? Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can yoga be involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for results, which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

 

If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its results will be affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such combinations yoga cease to exist. Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love to see such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue (Yes, I am aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can not this override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is supposed to give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

 

I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga itself, and validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring too; and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

 

BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only discussing its relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

gbp_kumar

Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

 

  Dear Prafulla,

  I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever he is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such light] did not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

  NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

  the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an answer on it

  3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give that result who is Neecha too.

  health sani+Sukra does affect health.

  I can write seperately on this if u want

  BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH OF THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and other Balas must  support it.

  Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

  Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery memorablie  and made money for the freedom movement or any relief programm and many  MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna in a enemy sign, with  shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

  we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar   

       I was expecting this line of  argument from you (!!). I know, what mean to say; but can we get down  to few key things:

        a.  is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon? 

        b.  if the (a) is true - is jupiter  poweful enough to render strong results for - its occupation, its  ownership, aspects and natural significations? and if the results  indicated are not strong enough - what does it imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you justify poor health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak health of spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for husband as well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest in full - It does not !!!.

        c.  yoga is  never  meant  to be partial or overridden; it is sure shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give results, planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,  it is not strong. and  please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by weak  planets. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3 abortions  (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house in full  with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha). Even with other  factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its overriding  factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors - certainly  implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart..and gaj keasri yoga is  not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I repeat -   please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic /  weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).  

        I am putting this example, not to  prove or score; so please experiment the above rationale from research  perspective. and under any circumstances, I will avoid to drag  astrological experience sharing into unnecessary arguments.

        regards / Prafulla Gang

  Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

 

  gbp_kumar

  Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

 

  Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

  Prafulla,

    ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

    this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

    the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

    and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

    say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK  does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is  one want  to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an  earthquake prone  zone?

    same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

  Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Members

  I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the  influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether  gaj kesari yoga  is initialized).

    Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

    Female

    July 9, 1972

    18.45 IST

    Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

    dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord  sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu  in 2nd house

    Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that  - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses  or weak  planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble  yoga will produce  highly inconsistent results and if at all it  can - then it can not  override the inherent weakness / bad  results of dusthana lords.

    The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck  and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural  significations of  jupiter).

    Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

    regards / Prafulla Gang

  Prashantkumar G B

    09840051861

  ------------------------

 

Prashantkumar G B

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                                                    .HARE RAM.

  Dear Mr. Prafulla

  In fact i could not do study your case by whom you are dicussing with Mr.Prashant but i want to say something about the Yogas.Plz do not treat it as interference between yours.

  The good and bad result of yogas is sure but how will they effect is purely depends on various other aspects as Nakshaktra,anshas,aspectations,

  conjuctions,Mahadasa,melafic or benefic etc.Therefore we see different results of such Yogas in different Birth charts.

  

  Regards

  Shashie Shekhar

 

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

  Dear Mr Kumar

 

My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets which are negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics reference)? Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can yoga be involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for results, which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

 

If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its results will be affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such combinations yoga cease to exist. Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love to see such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue (Yes, I am aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can not this override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is supposed to give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

 

I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga itself, and validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring too; and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

 

BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only discussing its relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

gbp_kumar

Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

 

Dear Prafulla,

  I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever he is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such light] did not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

  NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

  the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an answer on it

  3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give that result who is Neecha too.

  health sani+Sukra does affect health.

  I can write seperately on this if u want

  BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH OF THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and other Balas must  support it.

  Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

  Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery memorablie  and made money for the freedom movement or any relief programm and many  MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna in a enemy sign, with  shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

  we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

Prafulla Gang wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar   

       I was expecting this line of  argument from you (!!). I know, what mean to say; but can we get down  to few key things:

        a.  is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon? 

        b.  if the (a) is true - is jupiter  poweful enough to render strong results for - its occupation, its  ownership, aspects and natural significations? and if the results  indicated are not strong enough - what does it imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you justify poor health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak health of spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for husband as well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest in full - It does not !!!.

        c.  yoga is  never  meant  to be partial or overridden; it is sure shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give results, planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the native and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,  it is not strong. and  please quote me from classics, if they support yoga formation by weak  planets.. The fact remains that - the lady gone through 3 abortions  (will strong jupiter let it happen - if aspecting 5th house in full  with gaj kesari - and that too in guru maha dasha). Even with other  factors, strong lagnesh should have overruled, all its overriding  factors; and if it fails to meet the overriding factors - certainly  implies that guru is rendered weak in the chart..and gaj keasri yoga is  not manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I repeat -   please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic /  weak planets are candidate for yoga formation).  

        I am putting this example, not to  prove or score; so please experiment the above rationale from research  perspective. and under any circumstances, I will avoid to drag  astrological experience sharing into unnecessary arguments.

        regards / Prafulla Gang

  Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

 

  gbp_kumar

  Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

 

  Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

  Prafulla,

    ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

    this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

    the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with lumanaries etc.

    and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other factors why not here?

    say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord itself WAK  does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified isn't it that is  one want  to build a multi storied buildign on weak soil? or an  earthquake prone  zone?

    same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold in such place.

  Prafulla Gang wrote:        Dear Members

  I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the  influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru (whether  gaj kesari yoga  is initialized).

    Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

    Female

    July 9, 1972

    18.45 IST

    Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

    dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon and 9th lord  sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th; ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu  in 2nd house

    Let us not build overriding theories; but validate the fact that  - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets owning dusthana houses  or weak  planets. In my view, there is no partial yoga; feeble  yoga will produce  highly inconsistent results and if at all it  can - then it can not  override the inherent weakness / bad  results of dusthana lords.

    The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots of luck  and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around natural  significations of  jupiter).

    Please note that - this is not chart reading request; but a sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

    regards / Prafulla Gang

  Prashantkumar G B

    09840051861

  ------------------------

 

Prashantkumar G B

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off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

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Dear Mr Kumar

 

When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I could not identify them to give clues for consistent results; ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way - linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by classics.

 

Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future events).

 

I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

>

> gbp_kumar

> Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS. as fonts

> or colors r not supported in JR

>  Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets which  are

> negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics  reference)?

> Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

> involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for  results,

> which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra, Moola

> Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its own

> even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its results  will be

> affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such  combinations

> yoga cease to exist.

>    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by so many

> factors yogas.

>    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

> DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

> deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also there.

>    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important without

> loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa RESULTS.

>    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

> proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love to  see

> such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue (Yes,  I am

> aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

> strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can not  this

> override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is supposed  to

> give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga itself, and

> validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring too;

> and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO AUTHORITY BUT

> HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS, my guiding

> Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only discussing  its

> relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it so many

> u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic etc

>    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC COMPARED

> TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where NONE OF

> US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru gives slowly

> with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

> materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees how

> rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

> Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

> through CINEA, TV came in.

>    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with hnonor, may

> be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but at times

> no  wealth to flaunt.

>    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

> malefic.

>    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan a page  of

> NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>    regards / Prafulla Gang

>  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on  the

> ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can  purify a

> man who is not free of doubts.

>     

>    gbp_kumar

>    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>   

>    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

>      Dear Prafulla,

>      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic wherever  he

> is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such  light] did

> not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

>      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but if u want an

> answer on it

>      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely will give

> that result who is Neecha too.

>      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>      I can write seperately on this if u want

>      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO STRENGTH  OF

> THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and  other Balas

> must  support it.

>      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses defeats the

> Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended respect

> and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery  memorablie

> and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm and many

> MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign, with

> shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due to

> applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>    Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>           I was expecting this line of   argument from you (!!). I know,

> what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

>            a.  is the jupiter strong for its relationship with moon?

>            b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiter  poweful enough to render

> strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects and natural

> significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong enough -

> what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you justify

> poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak health of

> spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for husband  as

> well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in full - It

> does not !!!.

>            c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be partial or overridden; it is

> sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give results,

> planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the  native

> and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is not strong.

> and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga formation by

> weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

> abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting 5th house

> in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).. Even with

> other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

> overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding factors -

> certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the chart...and gaj

> keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with classics..as I

> repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that malefic /

> weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>            I am putting this example,  not to  prove or score; so please

> experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and under any

> circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience sharing

> into unnecessary  arguments.

>            regards / Prafulla Gang

>      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>     

>      gbp_kumar

>      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>     

>      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 28/5

>      Prafulla,

>        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and fortune...

>        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or issues with

> lumanaries etc.

>        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be several other

> factors why not here?

>        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna lord  itself WAK

> does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it that is  one

> want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or an  earthquake

> prone  zone?

>        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u want to buold

> in such place.

>      Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Members

>      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

> influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru  (whether  gaj

> kesari yoga  is initialized).

>        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health issues

>        Female

>        July 9, 1972

>        18.45 IST

>        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon  and 9th lord

> sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th; rahu  in

> 2nd house

>        Let us not build overriding theories; but validate  the fact that

> - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana houses  or

> weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feeble  yoga will

> produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can - then it can

> not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of dusthana lords.

>        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has lots  of luck

> and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  natural  significations

> of  jupiter).

>        Please note that - this is not chart reading  request; but a

> sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>        regards / Prafulla Gang

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Dear Ranjan ji

 

Very relevant note and story indeed. Yes, most of times, we get into the typical syndrome of perceived reality for "certainity we observe" and forget the karmic influences of each event / phase.

 

Perhaps - Astrology is beyond the resultants, we might predict in our current life; and we will truly serve it, if we can connect it more to karmic balance sheet. But many a times, we are expected to read influences on current life; and many a times, our weak mind also strives for results too.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Tue, 30 May 2006 03:50:41 -0000

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>  There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

>  soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

>  Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

>  stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

>  edifices of reality around that perception.

>  When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

>  feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

>  A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

>  still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>  One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

>  india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>  The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

>  of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

>  back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>  rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

>  times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

>  more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

>  afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>  Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

>  was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

>  of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>  Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

>  mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>  perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

>  no clue.

>  The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

>  inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

>  society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

>  Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

>  illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>  exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>  Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

>  they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

>  upon?

>  RR

>   , Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

>  wrote:

>  >

>  > Dear Mr Kumar

>  >

>  > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

>  (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

>  discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

>  in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

>  could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>  ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

>  astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

>  worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

>  events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

>   linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

>  classics.

>  >

>  > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

>  principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

>  inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

>  events).

>  >

>  > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

>  not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

>  to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>  >

>  > regards / Prafulla Gang

>  >

>  > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

>  the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>  purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>  >

>  >

>  > >

>  > > gbp_kumar

>  > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >

>  > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>  > >

>  > > Dear Prafulla,

>  > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

>  as fonts

>  > > or colors r not supported in JR

>  > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

>  which  are

>  > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

>  reference)?

>  > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

>  > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas forÂ

>  results,

>  > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>  > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>  > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

>  Moola

>  > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

>  own

>  > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>  > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>  > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>  results  will be

>  > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

>  combinations

>  > > yoga cease to exist.

>  > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>  > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

>  so many

>  > > factors yogas.

>  > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

>  > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

>  > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

>  there.

>  > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

>  without

>  > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

>  RESULTS.

>  > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

>  > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

>  to  see

>  > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

>  (Yes,  I am

>  > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

>  > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

>  not  this

>  > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>  supposed  to

>  > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>  > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

>  itself, and

>  > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

>  too;

>  > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>  > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>  AUTHORITY BUT

>  > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

>  my guiding

>  > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>  > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>  discussing  its

>  > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>  > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

>  so many

>  > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

>  etc

>  > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

>  COMPARED

>  > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

>  NONE OF

>  > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>  > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

>  gives slowly

>  > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

>  > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

>  how

>  > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

>  > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

>  > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>  > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

>  hnonor, may

>  > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

>  at times

>  > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>  > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

>  > > malefic.

>  > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

>  a page  of

>  > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>  > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

>  on  the

>  > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

>  purify a

>  > > man who is not free of doubts.

>  > >     

>  > >    gbp_kumar

>  > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >   

>  > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

>  28/5

>  > >      Dear Prafulla,

>  > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

>  wherever  he

>  > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

>  light] did

>  > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>  > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

>  > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>  > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

>  if u want an

>  > > answer on it

>  > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

>  will give

>  > > that result who is Neecha too.

>  > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>  > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>  > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

>  STRENGTH  OF

>  > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

>  other Balas

>  > > must  support it.

>  > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

>  defeats the

>  > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>  > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

>  respect

>  > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÂ

>  memorablie

>  > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

>  and many

>  > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

>  with

>  > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>  > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

>  to

>  > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>  > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  > >           I was expecting this line of   argument from

>  you (!!). I know,

>  > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

>  > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>  relationship with moon?

>  > >            b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiterÂ

>  poweful enough to render

>  > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

>  and natural

>  > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

>  enough -

>  > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

>  justify

>  > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

>  health of

>  > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

>  husband  as

>  > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

>  full - It

>  > > does not !!!.

>  > >            c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

>  partial or overridden; it is

>  > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

>  results,

>  > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for theÂ

>  native

>  > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

>  not strong.

>  > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

>  formation by

>  > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

>  > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

>  5th house

>  > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

>  Even with

>  > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

>  > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

>  factors -

>  > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>  chart..and gaj

>  > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>  classics..as I

>  > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

>  malefic /

>  > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>  > >            I am putting this example,  not to  prove

>  or score; so please

>  > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

>  under any

>  > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

>  sharing

>  > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>  > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>  > >     

>  > >      gbp_kumar

>  > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >     

>  > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

>  yoga 28/5

>  > >      Prafulla,

>  > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

>  fortune...

>  > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>  > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

>  issues with

>  > > lumanaries etc.

>  > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

>  several other

>  > > factors why not here?

>  > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

>  lord  itself WAK

>  > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

>  that is  one

>  > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or anÂ

>  earthquake

>  > > prone  zone?

>  > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

>  want to buold

>  > > in such place.

>  > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear

>  Members

>  > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

>  > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

>  (whether  gaj

>  > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>  > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

>  issues

>  > >        Female

>  > >        July 9, 1972

>  > >        18.45 IST

>  > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>  > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moonÂ

>  and 9th lord

>  > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

>  rahu  in

>  > > 2nd house

>  > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validateÂ

>  the fact that

>  > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

>  houses  or

>  > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feebleÂ

>  yoga will

>  > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can -

>  then it can

>  > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

>  dusthana lords.

>  > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

>  lots  of luck

>  > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  naturalÂ

>  significations

>  > > of  jupiter).

>  > >        Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

>  request; but a

>  > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>  > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >  Prashantkumar G B

>  > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>  group

>  > > but

>  > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

>  phone.

>  > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

>  > >    09840051861

>  > > 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

This is biggest challenge for astrology and an astrologer. When one starts learning it, the principles are applied verbatim, and as one moves to predictive astrology - very often, astrologers findsome reasoning to justify the event / trend (which was overlooked). Yes, that is why - I do not get into predictive part (may be fear of failure!!!) of astrology, and just try to see, if one can modify his approach to worldly affairs to fit the characteristics of planets and so on. This has been a wonderful experience (more on tropical lines), blended with jyotish. Yes, in weak moments (for worldly issues relating to self)..I too approach astrologers, and do not apply my own predictive skills then.

 

Karmic "shesha" phenomenon has always intrigued me. For example - if I observe, the challenges in relations with brother - then I prefer to stick to the assumption that, perhaps the native has karmic debt towards his brother..and he must gladly meet it (instead of feeling bad for variety of events).

 

Astrology must be used to make the life simple, in terms of least disappointments at subconscious level (we can not alter this at physical level). and It is important for astrologers to keep exploring all interpretative rules to keep the things simple. Too much of overriders, takes the fun out of the basic objectives. Yes, the human experience is the key and how best to cope up is the challenge as well the opportunity.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The only way to make friends is to become friend.

 

 

>

> rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca

> Tue, 30 May 2006 23:14:11 -0000

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>

> Prafulla,

>  As you know, I do not have undying fundamentalistic subservience to

>  astrology and hence I have always seen it as yet another tool or

>  approach to figure out this mystery of Creation and Universe (now the

>  physicists tell me there are several of those in a budding formation

>  like a cactus! Read Kaku's Parallel Worlds -- fascinating book!).. For

>  me what science can explain about the world and human experience does

>  not have to absolutely fit with what astrology describes the human

>  experience as. But together the two tell me a bit more, at least,

>  than either alone could!

>  Thus approaching reality moment to moment, without putting all my

>  eggs in either basket, I am free to pick one or other, or both. Call

>  me cognito-opportunist!

>  And the best part is this: In this view of mine, neither are fully

>  developed or perfect! So, in other words, both have room to grow, can

>  flourish further. With that flexibility, it all becomes a wonderful

>  exploration, an experiment and not a matter of pride or vanity. And

>  once that baggage of ego and false pride and territory is not there,

>  one becomes more open and forgiving and less likely to be jealous or

>  acquisitive or unsure and threatened.

>  So many possibilities exist that who has time for denial and tying

>  oneself down to dogmas!

>  RR

>  , Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

>  wrote:

>  >

>  > Dear Ranjan ji

>  >

>  > Very relevant note and story indeed. Yes, most of times, we get

>  into the typical syndrome of perceived reality for "certainity we

>  observe" and forget the karmic influences of each event / phase.

>  >

>  > Perhaps - Astrology is beyond the resultants, we might predict in

>  our current life; and we will truly serve it, if we can connect it

>  more to karmic balance sheet. But many a times, we are expected to

>  read influences on current life; and many a times, our weak mind also

>  strives for results too.

>  >

>  > regards / Prafulla Gang

>  >

>  > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

>  the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>  purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>  >

>  >

>  > >

>  > > rrgb

>  > > Tue, 30 May 2006 03:50:41 -0000

>  > >

>  > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>  > >

>  > > Dear Prafulla,

>  > >  There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

>  > >  soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying

>  it!

>  > >  Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

>  > >  stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and

>  created

>  > >  edifices of reality around that perception.

>  > >  When something has already happened or occurred, taken place --

>  we

>  > >  feel we have no option and that must be the truth,

>  unconditionally!

>  > >  A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination

>  that

>  > >  still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>  > >  One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam,

>  korea,

>  > >  india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>  > >  The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected

>  out

>  > >  of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

>  shipped

>  > >  back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>  > >  rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or

>  those

>  > >  times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

>  anything

>  > >  more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

>  > >  afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>  > >  Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child

>  and

>  > >  was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being

>  one

>  > >  of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>  > >  Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it?

>  The

>  > >  mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>  > >  perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but

>  she has

>  > >  no clue.

>  > >  The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

>  > >  inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

>  > >  society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is

>  it!>

>  > >  Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is

>  the

>  > >  illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>  > >  exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>  > >  Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

>  > >  they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation

>  stand

>  > >  upon?

>  > >  RR

>  > >   , Prafulla Gang

>  <jyotish@>

>  > >  wrote:

>  > >  >

>  > >  > Dear Mr Kumar

>  > >  >

>  > >  > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

>  heavily

>  > >  (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

>  > >  discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as

>  defined

>  > >  in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or

>  other, I

>  > >  could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>  > >  ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

>  > >  astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts

>  and

>  > >  worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications

>  for

>  > >  events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a

>  way -

>  > >   linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

>  > >  classics.

>  > >  >

>  > >  > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

>  overriding

>  > >  principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads

>  to

>  > >  inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

>  future

>  > >  events).

>  > >  >

>  > >  > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga.

>  I am

>  > >  not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

>  forward

>  > >  to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>  > >  >

>  > >  > regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >  >

>  > >  > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

>  on

>  > >  the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>  > >  purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>  > >  >

>  > >  >

>  > >  > >

>  > >  > > gbp_kumar@

>  > >  > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >  > >

>  > >  > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

>  29/5

>  > >  > >

>  > >  > > Dear Prafulla,

>  > >  > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in

>  CAPS.

>  > >  as fonts

>  > >  > > or colors r not supported in JR

>  > >  > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>  wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  > >  > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

>  > >  which  are

>  > >  > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or

>  classicsÂ

>  > >  reference)?

>  > >  > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÂÂ

>  yoga be

>  > >  > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas

>  forÂ

>  > >  results,

>  > >  > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>  > >  > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>  > >  > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

>  Kendra,

>  > >  Moola

>  > >  > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on

>  its

>  > >  own

>  > >  > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>  > >  > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>  > >  > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>  > >  results  will be

>  > >  > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

>  > >  combinations

>  > >  > > yoga cease to exist.

>  > >  > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>  > >  > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS

>  ASSESSED by

>  > >  so many

>  > >  > > factors yogas.

>  > >  > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS

>  THAN SAID

>  > >  > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha,

>  Phala

>  > >  > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is

>  also

>  > >  there.

>  > >  > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

>  important

>  > >  without

>  > >  > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

>  > >  RESULTS.

>  > >  > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not

>  define any

>  > >  > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will

>  love

>  > >  to  see

>  > >  > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

>  > >  (Yes,  I am

>  > >  > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so

>  existing with

>  > >  > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then

>  can

>  > >  not  this

>  > >  > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>  > >  supposed  to

>  > >  > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>  > >  > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of

>  yoga

>  > >  itself, and

>  > >  > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

>  exploring

>  > >  too;

>  > >  > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>  > >  > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>  > >  AUTHORITY BUT

>  > >  > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members

>  of  ICAS,

>  > >  my guiding

>  > >  > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>  > >  > >  BTW, no one is guru basher.. How can one be; we are only

>  > >  discussing  its

>  > >  > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>  > >  > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read

>  threads on it

>  > >  so many

>  > >  > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a

>  malefic

>  > >  etc

>  > >  > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A

>  BEIFIC

>  > >  COMPARED

>  > >  > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas

>  where

>  > >  NONE OF

>  > >  > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>  > >  > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail

>  Guru

>  > >  gives slowly

>  > >  > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way ,

>  but

>  > >  > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world

>  sees

>  > >  how

>  > >  > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too

>  after

>  > >  > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond

>  sense

>  > >  > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>  > >  > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn

>  with

>  > >  hnonor, may

>  > >  > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands

>  respect but

>  > >  at times

>  > >  > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>  > >  > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos

>  one it is a

>  > >  > > malefic.

>  > >  > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post,

>  will scan

>  > >  a page  of

>  > >  > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>  > >  > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >  > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

>  sleeping

>  > >  on  the

>  > >  > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

>  canÂ

>  > >  purify a

>  > >  > > man who is not free of doubts.

>  > >  > >     

>  > >  > >    gbp_kumar@

>  > >  > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >  > >   

>  > >  > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

>  yoga

>  > >  28/5

>  > >  > >      Dear Prafulla,

>  > >  > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is

>  a maleic

>  > >  wherever  he

>  > >  > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in

>  suchÂ

>  > >  light] did

>  > >  > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>  > >  > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA

>  OPERATE OR NOT

>  > >  > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status,

>  money, etc

>  > >  > >      the other questions are not part of

>  Gajakesari Yoga but

>  > >  if u want an

>  > >  > > answer on it

>  > >  > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic

>  ketu. surely

>  > >  will give

>  > >  > > that result who is Neecha too.

>  > >  > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>  > >  > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>  > >  > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE

>  PROPORTIONAL TO

>  > >  STRENGTH  OF

>  > >  > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA

>  andÂ

>  > >  other Balas

>  > >  > > must  support it.

>  > >  > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male

>  isuses

>  > >  defeats the

>  > >  > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>  > >  > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari

>  yoga commended

>  > >  respect

>  > >  > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod

>  evveryÂ

>  > >  memorablie

>  > >  > > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÂÂ

>  programm

>  > >  and many

>  > >  > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy

>  sign,

>  > >  with

>  > >  > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>  > >  > >      we can show that there be come qualitative

>  reductuion due

>  > >  to

>  > >  > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>  > >  > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>  wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  > >  > >           I was expecting this line

>  of   argument from

>  > >  you (!!). I know,

>  > >  > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key

>  things:

>  > >  > >            a.  is the jupiter

>  strong for its

>  > >  relationship with moon?

>  > >  > >            b.  if the (a) is

>  true  - is jupiterÂ

>  > >  poweful enough to render

>  > >  > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership,

>  aspects

>  > >  and natural

>  > >  > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not

>  strong

>  > >  enough -

>  > >  > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon.

>  How do you

>  > >  justify

>  > >  > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny,

>  weak

>  > >  health of

>  > >  > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

>  > >  husband  as

>  > >  > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it

>  manifest  in

>  > >  full - It

>  > >  > > does not !!!.

>  > >  > >            c.  yoga

>  is   never  meant  to be

>  > >  partial or overridden; it is

>  > >  > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga

>  to give

>  > >  results,

>  > >  > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined

>  for theÂ

>  > >  native

>  > >  > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is

>  afflicted,   it is

>  > >  not strong.

>  > >  > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support

>  yoga

>  > >  formation by

>  > >  > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone

>  through 3

>  > >  > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if

>  aspecting

>  > >  5th house

>  > >  > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha

>  dasha).

>  > >  Even with

>  > >  > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled,

>  all its

>  > >  > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the

>  overriding

>  > >  factors -

>  > >  > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>  > >  chart..and gaj

>  > >  > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>  > >  classics..as I

>  > >  > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari

>  saying that

>  > >  malefic /

>  > >  > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>  > >  > >            I am putting this

>  example,  not to  prove

>  > >  or score; so please

>  > >  > > experiment the above rationale  from researchÂÂ

>  perspective. and

>  > >  under any

>  > >  > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological

>  experience

>  > >  sharing

>  > >  > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>  > >  > >            regards / Prafulla

>  Gang

>  > >  > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>  > >  > >     

>  > >  > >      gbp_kumar@

>  > >  > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>  > >  > >     

>  > >  > >      Re: case study - guru / moon

>  gaj kesari

>  > >  yoga 28/5

>  > >  > >      Prafulla,

>  > >  > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has

>  lots of luck and

>  > >  fortune...

>  > >  > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>  > >  > >        the other issues not par of it, NO

>  male issue or

>  > >  issues with

>  > >  > > lumanaries etc.

>  > >  > >        and as u said in earlier posts that

>  there will be

>  > >  several other

>  > >  > > factors why not here?

>  > >  > >        say even Lagna lord going to

>  dusthana, if lagna

>  > >  lord  itself WAK

>  > >  > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modifiedÂÂ

>  isn't it

>  > >  that is  one

>  > >  > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil?

>  or anÂ

>  > >  earthquake

>  > >  > > prone  zone?

>  > >  > >        same here u can do it and add other

>  safeguards if u

>  > >  want to buold

>  > >  > > in such place.

>  > >  > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>  wrote:        Dear

>  > >  Members

>  > >  > >      I will be posting few charts and let us

>  investigate the

>  > >  > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

>  > >  (whether  gaj

>  > >  > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>  > >  > >        Case of denial of male progeny and

>  constant health

>  > >  issues

>  > >  > >        Female

>  > >  > >        July 9, 1972

>  > >  > >        18.45 IST

>  > >  > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>  > >  > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna;

>  8th lord moonÂ

>  > >  and 9th lord

>  > >  > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury

>  in 8th;

>  > >  rahu  in

>  > >  > > 2nd house

>  > >  > >        Let us not build overriding theories;

>  but validateÂ

>  > >  the fact that

>  > >  > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning

>  dusthana

>  > >  houses  or

>  > >  > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga;

>  feebleÂ

>  > >  yoga will

>  > >  > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all

>  it  can -

>  > >  then it can

>  > >  > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results

>  of

>  > >  dusthana lords.

>  > >  > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years

>  back - has

>  > >  lots  of luck

>  > >  > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more aroundÂÂ

>  naturalÂ

>  > >  significations

>  > >  > > of  jupiter).

>  > >  > >        Please note that - this is not chart

>  readingÂ

>  > >  request; but a

>  > >  > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>  > >  > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

>  > >  > >  Prashantkumar G B

>  > >  > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>  > >  group

>  > >  > > but

>  > >  > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

>  or

>  > >  phone.

>  > >  > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

>  > >  > >    09840051861

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