Autobiographical account (warning: RR alert -- pull down your shutters!)

May 28, 2006

Another autobiographical intermission, forum bandhugan!

After intensively wrestling with jyotish and managing to learn just

enough to see some light in the distance (a la Lorena McKenitt!) I

had the fortune of meeting several jyotishis in my hometown, some

were medical representatives in their under the sun lives, others

were teachers in various subject areas, many more were "magicians" (I

will just leave it at that!) and one of them was a vocational misfit

who turned into a labour union leader and really wanted to take me

under his wings but his inability to calculate a chart even by the

approximation method several jyotishis employed, really cheesed me

off, quite frankly. The grandfather (a retired judge) of one of my

classfellows was an interesting experience because he let me have a

glimpse at his collection of charts, painstakingly collected and

catalogued (back in late 60s early 70's in India this was only

through fountain pen and elbow grease!). I must have put the fear of

God into the grandfatherly gentleman when I innocently and caringly

expressed my concerns to him for not having backups just in case

there is a heavy rain or fire. Big faux pas! Never do that, KIDS!

It is a miracle that I did not stop associating with astrology, but I

had always been quite level headed about it and learned early (Thanks

God!) that many (humans) have tried to eat this Elephant (jyotish)

but did not have the wherewithal to go beyond the tough hide that an

elephant boasts of or is blessed with (the reason why I have no

concerns about anyone learning astrology! It has built-in protection

to not go to the undeserved).

A classfellow and someone who had been a friend of mine since high

school told me when I was in university that his grandfather was an

astrology buff. I was a bit less than excited (read last couple

paragraphs in case you glossed over those ;-)) but then relented.

Shyam had been a good friend and his elder sister who was quite a

bully was my teacher and had the power of death over my grades!

That evening still rings true in my memory, blazing vividly in its

simple splendour! The mild-mannered, soft-spoken maharashtrian

gentleman, barely 5'5" (I always associated army men as being tall

and muscular and loud! Myth broken!!) who shuffled into the room

where we were waiting and what struck me at first was that he was

there but not just there! It is eerie and no other way to explain. I

have had this feeling with others too later, but they tended to be

psychics and not astrologers (not the logical ones, anyway. Well this

one was, believe me!!). So another rude awakening was when this

individual started talking about reproduction studies and malthusian

theories and giving scientific references about his prime area of

research in population control (India had a big problem with that

area!) and how astrology can help it. To my chagrin, I must admit,

that I was not really interested in such sociological issues of

import at that time, but what impressed me most was the extremely

organized and detailed notes this man kept when he started showing me

his life's work in medical astrology and register after register lay

in front of my ever enlarging eyes! And this (he must be 60+ then)

gentleman went through those, jumping from chart to another, several

pages further down or sometimes even in another register --

illustrating the combinations. He became so animated and dynamic that

I barely could keep pace with him and though I may not have learned a

lot of astrological combinations in those few meetings, I caught his

love and infectious passion for astrology. Here I was finally meeting

a true researcher: A PERPETUAL STUDENT!! Gotten a lot wiser by then,

I kept my mouth clenched shut and did not voice my even greater

concerns about any impending floods, leaky roofs or fires!

Neither of these data pack-rats were my astrology teachers in a true

sense of the term but they impressed very strongly on me how

practical astrology must be done and how important (and easy) it is

to move away from the comfort zone of mindlessly parroting classics

and moving into the warzone of real charts and then keeping a track

of those. One was a judge, another was an army official, both retired

and free to devote their full attention to the love of their life -

Jyotish! I wish everyone be so fortunate. To complete a fruitful

career one can be proud of, and then be granted time and health to

devote one-mindedly to the passion of their soul and to be able to

influence even a few who would try to carry out and transmit their

passion if not their knowledge, in a minor way at least.

Thanks for your gift of listening!

RR

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

May 28, 2006

Hello RR,

Your post is an absolute treasure...and so true. Thanks for sharing so

deeply of your experiences and yourself.

> Neither of these data pack-rats were my astrology teachers in a true

> sense of the term but they impressed very strongly on me how

> practical astrology must be done and how important (and easy) it is

> to move away from the comfort zone of mindlessly parroting classics

> and moving into the warzone of real charts and then keeping a track

> of those.

Haizen Paige

, "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Another autobiographical intermission, forum bandhugan!

>

> After intensively wrestling with jyotish and managing to learn just

> enough to see some light in the distance (a la Lorena McKenitt!) I

> had the fortune of meeting several jyotishis in my hometown, some

> were medical representatives in their under the sun lives, others

> were teachers in various subject areas, many more were "magicians" (I

> will just leave it at that!) and one of them was a vocational misfit

> who turned into a labour union leader and really wanted to take me

> under his wings but his inability to calculate a chart even by the

> approximation method several jyotishis employed, really cheesed me

> off, quite frankly. The grandfather (a retired judge) of one of my

> classfellows was an interesting experience because he let me have a

> glimpse at his collection of charts, painstakingly collected and

> catalogued (back in late 60s early 70's in India this was only

> through fountain pen and elbow grease!). I must have put the fear of

> God into the grandfatherly gentleman when I innocently and caringly

> expressed my concerns to him for not having backups just in case

> there is a heavy rain or fire. Big faux pas! Never do that, KIDS!

>

> It is a miracle that I did not stop associating with astrology, but I

> had always been quite level headed about it and learned early (Thanks

> God!) that many (humans) have tried to eat this Elephant (jyotish)

> but did not have the wherewithal to go beyond the tough hide that an

> elephant boasts of or is blessed with (the reason why I have no

> concerns about anyone learning astrology! It has built-in protection

> to not go to the undeserved).

>

> A classfellow and someone who had been a friend of mine since high

> school told me when I was in university that his grandfather was an

> astrology buff. I was a bit less than excited (read last couple

> paragraphs in case you glossed over those ;-)) but then relented.

> Shyam had been a good friend and his elder sister who was quite a

> bully was my teacher and had the power of death over my grades!

>

> That evening still rings true in my memory, blazing vividly in its

> simple splendour! The mild-mannered, soft-spoken maharashtrian

> gentleman, barely 5'5" (I always associated army men as being tall

> and muscular and loud! Myth broken!!) who shuffled into the room

> where we were waiting and what struck me at first was that he was

> there but not just there! It is eerie and no other way to explain. I

> have had this feeling with others too later, but they tended to be

> psychics and not astrologers (not the logical ones, anyway. Well this

> one was, believe me!!). So another rude awakening was when this

> individual started talking about reproduction studies and malthusian

> theories and giving scientific references about his prime area of

> research in population control (India had a big problem with that

> area!) and how astrology can help it. To my chagrin, I must admit,

> that I was not really interested in such sociological issues of

> import at that time, but what impressed me most was the extremely

> organized and detailed notes this man kept when he started showing me

> his life's work in medical astrology and register after register lay

> in front of my ever enlarging eyes! And this (he must be 60+ then)

> gentleman went through those, jumping from chart to another, several

> pages further down or sometimes even in another register --

> illustrating the combinations. He became so animated and dynamic that

> I barely could keep pace with him and though I may not have learned a

> lot of astrological combinations in those few meetings, I caught his

> love and infectious passion for astrology. Here I was finally meeting

> a true researcher: A PERPETUAL STUDENT!! Gotten a lot wiser by then,

> I kept my mouth clenched shut and did not voice my even greater

> concerns about any impending floods, leaky roofs or fires!

>

> Neither of these data pack-rats were my astrology teachers in a true

> sense of the term but they impressed very strongly on me how

> practical astrology must be done and how important (and easy) it is

> to move away from the comfort zone of mindlessly parroting classics

> and moving into the warzone of real charts and then keeping a track

> of those. One was a judge, another was an army official, both retired

> and free to devote their full attention to the love of their life -

> Jyotish! I wish everyone be so fortunate. To complete a fruitful

> career one can be proud of, and then be granted time and health to

> devote one-mindedly to the passion of their soul and to be able to

> influence even a few who would try to carry out and transmit their

> passion if not their knowledge, in a minor way at least.

>

> Thanks for your gift of listening!

>

> RR

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

May 28, 2006

Dear Haizen,

You are kind and generous.

rohiniranjan

, "haizen" <haizen> wrote:

>

> Hello RR,

>

> Your post is an absolute treasure...and so true. Thanks for sharing

so

> deeply of your experiences and yourself.

>

> > Neither of these data pack-rats were my astrology teachers in a

true

> > sense of the term but they impressed very strongly on me how

> > practical astrology must be done and how important (and easy) it

is

> > to move away from the comfort zone of mindlessly parroting

classics

> > and moving into the warzone of real charts and then keeping a

track

> > of those.

>

> Haizen Paige

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

wrote:

> >

> > Another autobiographical intermission, forum bandhugan!

> >

> > After intensively wrestling with jyotish and managing to learn

just

> > enough to see some light in the distance (a la Lorena McKenitt!)

I

> > had the fortune of meeting several jyotishis in my hometown, some

> > were medical representatives in their under the sun lives, others

> > were teachers in various subject areas, many more

were "magicians" (I

> > will just leave it at that!) and one of them was a vocational

misfit

> > who turned into a labour union leader and really wanted to take

me

> > under his wings but his inability to calculate a chart even by

the

> > approximation method several jyotishis employed, really cheesed

me

> > off, quite frankly. The grandfather (a retired judge) of one of

my

> > classfellows was an interesting experience because he let me have

a

> > glimpse at his collection of charts, painstakingly collected and

> > catalogued (back in late 60s early 70's in India this was only

> > through fountain pen and elbow grease!). I must have put the fear

of

> > God into the grandfatherly gentleman when I innocently and

caringly

> > expressed my concerns to him for not having backups just in case

> > there is a heavy rain or fire. Big faux pas! Never do that, KIDS!

> >

> > It is a miracle that I did not stop associating with astrology,

but I

> > had always been quite level headed about it and learned early

(Thanks

> > God!) that many (humans) have tried to eat this Elephant

(jyotish)

> > but did not have the wherewithal to go beyond the tough hide that

an

> > elephant boasts of or is blessed with (the reason why I have no

> > concerns about anyone learning astrology! It has built-in

protection

> > to not go to the undeserved).

> >

> > A classfellow and someone who had been a friend of mine since

high

> > school told me when I was in university that his grandfather was

an

> > astrology buff. I was a bit less than excited (read last couple

> > paragraphs in case you glossed over those ;-)) but then

relented.

> > Shyam had been a good friend and his elder sister who was quite a

> > bully was my teacher and had the power of death over my grades!

> >

> > That evening still rings true in my memory, blazing vividly in

its

> > simple splendour! The mild-mannered, soft-spoken maharashtrian

> > gentleman, barely 5'5" (I always associated army men as being

tall

> > and muscular and loud! Myth broken!!) who shuffled into the room

> > where we were waiting and what struck me at first was that he was

> > there but not just there! It is eerie and no other way to

explain. I

> > have had this feeling with others too later, but they tended to

be

> > psychics and not astrologers (not the logical ones, anyway. Well

this

> > one was, believe me!!). So another rude awakening was when this

> > individual started talking about reproduction studies and

malthusian

> > theories and giving scientific references about his prime area of

> > research in population control (India had a big problem with that

> > area!) and how astrology can help it. To my chagrin, I must

admit,

> > that I was not really interested in such sociological issues of

> > import at that time, but what impressed me most was the extremely

> > organized and detailed notes this man kept when he started

showing me

> > his life's work in medical astrology and register after register

lay

> > in front of my ever enlarging eyes! And this (he must be 60+

then)

> > gentleman went through those, jumping from chart to another,

several

> > pages further down or sometimes even in another register --

> > illustrating the combinations. He became so animated and dynamic

that

> > I barely could keep pace with him and though I may not have

learned a

> > lot of astrological combinations in those few meetings, I caught

his

> > love and infectious passion for astrology. Here I was finally

meeting

> > a true researcher: A PERPETUAL STUDENT!! Gotten a lot wiser by

then,

> > I kept my mouth clenched shut and did not voice my even greater

> > concerns about any impending floods, leaky roofs or fires!

> >

> > Neither of these data pack-rats were my astrology teachers in a

true

> > sense of the term but they impressed very strongly on me how

> > practical astrology must be done and how important (and easy) it

is

> > to move away from the comfort zone of mindlessly parroting

classics

> > and moving into the warzone of real charts and then keeping a

track

> > of those. One was a judge, another was an army official, both

retired

> > and free to devote their full attention to the love of their

life -

> > Jyotish! I wish everyone be so fortunate. To complete a fruitful

> > career one can be proud of, and then be granted time and health

to

> > devote one-mindedly to the passion of their soul and to be able

to

> > influence even a few who would try to carry out and transmit

their

> > passion if not their knowledge, in a minor way at least.

> >

> > Thanks for your gift of listening!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

May 28, 2006

Haizen

it is good u on what u said on the biographical stuff sent by readers isnt it becomming non astrological and personal?

I remember 2 months ago on 2 diff occasions the writer u said applauded take a swipe

1. was about my typing errors- which I apologised more in haste as I had just entered the group and answering as many as possible and chatig with as many I could made mistakes and my limited sight was a reason just 10-12% of normal vision but said still take care-

I GOT A REPLY I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT

2. NEXT TIME WAS ABOUT A REPLY on a thread that Guru was a malefic in loaction, aspect etc. even quoting different Yugas.

Here I said it is not right and it has to be seen in context as each Yuga has dif values and Guru must be seen in that context not today's values.

and Guru now is not a result giver like Sukra, Rahu, sani now as we need instant gratification, results and by any means, gave examples too. But guru give gains only through hard, honest, gains of wealth, status, fame by intigrated persons like Manmohan singh, Rajendra Prasad, Lalbahud shastry etc.

and Laloo or Mayavati or Telgi or politicians goonds, dons Guru is a malefic where no values, morals r there

here he also said that he in not interested in my background.and drew many swipes examples were for showing it is to be seen in context but no, only what he said is right not others

THIS ALSO THIS LEARNED ALL TIME AUTHORITY RIDICULED

HE ALSO RIDICULED posts very some seniors and new comers

Sreenadh had done some good research on new paths, yet was ridiculed why can't anyone be gvien same scale? the basis of our existance in astrology is the classical works no doubt how we adapt it and not limited by it but expanding it and modifiying it to times we live in, makes us and the subject strong.

and we need to learn, relearn all the time manythings, life is our best classic to teach us. other books help us and surely without divine grace in timely intutuon all our rules we master won't work.

haizen <haizen (AT) haizen (DOT) com> wrote: Hello RR,