Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Krupa, Namaskar To my knowledge, yes. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** [] On Behalf Of adhyaayin 27 May 2006 11:38 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] AK is in the 6th from Amk in D-9 Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah Pranaams Visti-ji As you have mentioned when AK and Ishta planet become the same then you have to choose the planets conjoining the AK or having rasi dristi on it. Does this rule also apply if the Palana Devata and AK planet are the same ? Also in this case, should we take the lord of AK in case there is no planet conjoining the AK and there is no rasi dristi ? Please guide. Krupa , "Visti Larsen" <visti> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You cannot worship yourself, hence when the Atmakaraka and Ishta Devata > becomes the same planet, i was taught to choose the planets joining or > having rasi dristi on the atmakaraka in navamsa. > > Moon is in Virgo navamsa. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav > 26 May 2006 18:41 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mahatma Gandhi's Ishta Devata > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Swati, > > Namaskar. Atleast one part is clear, it is because AK > himself owns the 12-th. I am not sure why he chose Tripurasundari form in > particular as there is no direct influence of Budha except that Budha > disposits Shukra and Chandra both. Chandra will represent Mother form and > being in Vrisabha-Vrischika axis will also show your inclination towards > worship of Mother. > > There seems to be several variations of the rule of choosing the Ishta > devata. Here AK predominates being the lord. Rahu is also a strong candidate > as it is 5th from AK and can lead to bhakti. Being with BK Mangal can > indicate Durga/Chandi rupa. Let us wait for Visti-ji to give us his > guidance. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ============================================================== > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > wrote: > > > > HAre Rama Krishma ]] > > Pranam Saurav.This is wt Vistiji said Saurav > > > > check in mail 18731 > > > > Coming to devatas: Your Ishta Devata is Gouri. Her Roopa is > > specifically a form of Mahakali, i.e. Tripurasundari. A nice mantra > > for her is: Om Parasundaryai Namah|| > > > > Your Dharma devata and Palana Devata is Narayana or Koorma Avatara... > > Did you know that Lakshmi was born during the era of the Koorma > > Avatara? An interesting story to read. Its in the Srimad Bhagavatam. > > Make it a long term effort to read and understand the meaning of this > > avatara. > > > > check in mail 18744 > > > > swati :For my ishta devta.Sir i am stil confused...as How Gouri.We are > > supposed to see navamsa chart as i heard ur lectures.I have cancer > > lagna as navamsa lagna in my SW.My AK venus in 12th so gemini > > karakamsa.12th from there , no planet, lord is same, so i look for > > other dhristi. The dhriti needs to go to the 12th house of karakamsa > > or the karakamsa itself? > > > > [Visti] Read my mail again, i was look at planets aspecting the AK > > itself when the AK became the Istha. > > > > Also Saurav can u tel me a mantra for Lakshmi...Would it be a Vishnu > > form and having bhagwate in lines? > > > > Pranam swati > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Swati, > > > > > > Namaskar. Are you sure he indicated Chandrama > > > for Ishtadevata ? Can you quote what he said ? > > > > > > Btw, "if" Mangal/Rahu indicated any devata, worshipping that devata will > > > not bring trouble ? Worship never brings trouble. > > > > > > In your case natural choice would be Lakshmi as Ishtadevata. Yes, > > > lording of 12-th from KK by the AK itself is a lakshana for > > > incarnations themselves. Ref to charts of Sri Krishna and Sri Chaitanya > > > Mahaprabhu. But in their cases their AK's had the strongest influence > > > amongst all influencing grahas to the 12-th. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > , "swazz_oyzter" <healingspaces@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Pranam to al Guruji's...Well such a discussion could not refrain me > > > > from asking and saying... > > > > Why did Vistiji choose Moon in my chart which aspects the Ak > > > > itself...and doesnt aspects to 12th of karakamsa and aspects Ak > > > itself. > > > > > > > > Neither did he choose the lord of Taurus which is Ak Venus itself .I > > > > heard the 12th lord of karakamsa and Ak same its good and strengthens > > > > to desire to liberate.So shouldnt have i gone for venus itself...i > > > > think Vistiji would have a reason for this and may be it works as he > > > > chose Moon for me to may be strengthen and see my desire itself. > > > > > > > > Also looking back i think choice of mars and rahu may also be an > > > > option, but they sitting in 4th may create problems too.. > > > > > > > > i think there are many answers to each problem....or we can say there > > > > are many problems with each solution.The Key is to practise may be.As > > > > long as one is willing and channelising, the flow may come on its own, > > > > from whatever direction. > > > > > > > > Pranam > > > > Swati > > > > For ref details given > > > > > > > > Swati DOB 15th April 1979 TOB 18:05 POB Jaipur City Rajasthan > > > > Latitude 26' N 55" Longitude 75' E 49" Lagna Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. That is what I am trying to say. There > > > > > are a number of different ways, those bunch of rules are applied. > > > > > > > > > > In Robert-ji's Book (Spiritual Dimensions..) he mentions the > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > * If there are grahas in the 12-th from KK take from them; if more > > > > > than one consider strength based on exaltation, own sign etc. If > > > still > > > > > there is a tie, consider grahas with highest longitude. > > > > > * If still there is a tie, consider the most benefic (in order of > > > > > Guru, Shukra, Budha and Chandra) > > > > > * If no grahas take the stronger between the 12-th lord and the > > > > > rasi-aspectors. > > > > > > > > > > This is a compromise between the two sets we were discussing. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think in VRA there is an example of aspect before lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag-ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. I think we should be clear > > > > > > > about this. These are thumbrules and interpretive in nature. > > > > > Sanjay-ji > > > > > > > always emphasizes on ABC rule. A- planets in a house, B- planet > > > > > ruling a > > > > > > > house C-planet aspecting a house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I choose C-before B-, it may be because I don't want the > > > process > > > > > of > > > > > > > spiritual evolution of the native by bringing something that > > > comes > > > > > at > > > > > > > the end to the beginning, in the process.. Ishta means 'most > > > > > desirable' & > > > > > > > 'most beneficial' and really speaking does not relate to a > > > standard > > > > > > > Siva or Rama etc. "To each his own". It is a personal > > > experience. > > > > > The > > > > > > > astrologer can only help a guide. In the million steps in > > > spiritual > > > > > > > evolution, we can help the native by making him skip only ten > > > steps > > > > > > > forward by suggestion of Ishta worship. It doesn't end there. > > > > > (quoting > > > > > > > Narasimha-ji here, who said: there is no rigorous single > > > solution > > > > > for > > > > > > > Ishta-devata and if you vary in interpretation, dont be afraid > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > your suggestion, as it will finally lead him/her to the goal. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji often said that Ishta devata worship means recognizing > > > the > > > > > > > 'sarva-vyapakesa' or One who is everywhere - that idea. The > > > > > suggestions > > > > > > > we make are those forms which can be easily adhered to by the > > > native > > > > > as > > > > > > > a latent possibility. Hence from this viewpoint, ABC still > > > applies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More often than not, I have seen use of lord over aspectors > > > amongst > > > > > SJC > > > > > > > Gurus. Gandhi-ji's is not the only case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anuraagsharma27" > > > > > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so it would seem from Sourav's post in Sohamsa. But the > > > rule > > > > > is > > > > > > > > given slightly differently in Sanjay Ji's text and I have only > > > had > > > > > > > > the benefit of the instruction contained therein thus far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anurag, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was taught that the lord of the 12th from > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa always shows the real Ishta > > > > > > > > > Devata. The planets influencing the house by > > > > > > > > > aspect, however, can show the deities that will > > > > > > > > > lead us to this Ishta. So sometimes we reach > > > > > > > > > there in a roundabout way, rather then going in a > > > > > > > > > straight line. Either way, we end up in the right place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:25 25/05/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay Ji,Visti and learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Upon reading the analysis of Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra in > > > the > > > > > > > > > >January issue of the Jyotish Digest, I am a bit perplexed > > > as to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >computation of the Ishta Devata in the instant case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjay Ji has taught in Vedic Remedies in Astrology that > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >determination of the deities, the Grahas in the 12th Bhava > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >Karakamsha (for Ishta Devata) is to be seen first. If there > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >Grahas, then Grahas having Rashi Drishti must be seen. If > > > no > > > > > > > > Grahas > > > > > > > > > >have Rashi Drishti, then the lord(s) of the Rashi must be > > > > > > > > seen.This > > > > > > > > > >is given right at the beginning of Chapter III on Page 55 > > > > > > > > > >on 'Astrological principles'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In Gandhi Ji's Navamsha Chakra, though Shani and Budh both > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > >the Dwadash Bhava from the Lagnamsha and the Karakamsha, > > > their > > > > > > > > Rashi > > > > > > > > > >Drishti has not been considered and Mangal as the lord of > > > the > > > > > > > > > >relevant Bhava has been seen instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why has this departure from the standard rules been made? > > > Are > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >any special reasons for the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kindly instruct in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anurag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > > > Ashram. > > > > > > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > > > Krishna' > > > > > > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > > > > > > > > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should > > > > > > > > > >not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > > > chart > > > > > > > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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