GURU- CHANDAN YOGA - how yoga will work 26/5- p2

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Hi Prafulla, pt arjun and others...

 

It is strange that there  is superificial interpration and/or understanding of the words and  matter around now. I am no authority but hhwat little i had come across  as i learn in lfie I know my past 25 yrs of work is v little distance  covered in this field.

 

  THE sudden acceptence of Guru chandala yoga not arisha a as word

 

  NOW DARIDRA YOGA, VAMSA NASHA YOGA, ARISHTA YOGAS. Putrashokha yoga etc.

 

  these are names of some malefic yogas too

YOGA MEANS a combination  good or bad, and its result is implied ni the name preceeding Yoga. and  the threads r they serious or playful, whimsical efforts here i can't  understand form the so called superman around who comments on every  thread in bits every few secs can't have a crystalised way of  presentign it.

 

NOW I HAD ALSO SAID in current age it is less  of a malefic, as being materialsitic is no sin today rather is ones  prowess, acievemtn or success yardstick. unless ill-placed.

 

  NOW THE DATA here r some.

 

  1-7-65, 00.32,Bangalore,  male dark complesxion very well to do  finincially v sound-rich but married just 2 yrs ago only son.

 

  same date 1-7-65, 23.32, 16 57 N, 82 57 E. female married in June 95,  girl in 96 aug, son in apr 99, avg FINANCE at start worked, good  looking part of a 6 member family, married into a well to do family.  but with many adjustments issues threre betwen members there and within  themselves.

 

20-7-65, 4.54 hr, 16 42 N, 81 06 E. 1st man to  study beyond 10th did graduation , went outside village, state 1st man  to build a concrete house, in village. went to US as a dependent and  became the Boss of his wife. in 6 months.

 

  18-11-68, 23.15 Hyd a Parsi male married a rich Tamil well to do tho but is doing great after marriage.

  male, 1-12-57, 02.04, Hrs Madras a son of a great singer is a good dubbing artist, sings well no luck tho in that area.

 

  male 20-6-65, 06.1pm,  Madras,  well to do man solid  resources gifted many friends money to build their houses from his  earnings his father died when he was stuyding in the gas explosion in  1982 Delhi Asiad preprations in  Hotel, even people who asked him  some money got full cost say 20-45 laks each from him as gift no1  repays him nor see him later. is not married has no plasn to, wants to  live as he wants not at women's dictates now has just a companion a  greek women i think.

  ***

  about GAJAKESARI YOGA in dusthans question it works still

  if in Kendras u get it royally if in dusthana u get it from some1 not ur own earned

 

  case 1M 27-9-62, 18.11 hrs, 17 27 N, 82 35 E. he lived like a prince as  his 5 elder brothers funded what he like all his life. wore the most  expensive clothes for 11 months thrrew it, got new ones.

now after  marriage in 95, a gril in 96, and 99- 96 girl died in 3rd yr. is v rich  now traveled overseas and helps none of his brothers sons.

drives  them away if they come to him for guidence as he as to feed them just 3  months ago helped one nephew strangely though, but sent him away moment  he got a job. he lived with us for 20 yrs earlier FREE.

 

case  2m.  14-7-74, 23 54, Madras he is a tiwn the twin bro born 4 hrs  later is mentally retarded as was not know the docs left and later were  called back to deliver the baby so is stunted child.

 

  so when  we make satments the calssics or earler works have material for us to  see, use and tune it for our times not ridicule or take a dfift at  them....

 

  the course of Ganga has changed will change but Ganga remains Ganga isn't it. [even with the pollution in it]

 

 

Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions > wrote:        Dear Arjun ji

 

  I also feel that, we must look at guru / rahu with open mind and put

  it to test in real life examples.

 

  Ranjan ji has provided a thoughtful clue, as to why is it called yoga

  not arishta!!!

 

  If we extend the conjunction of guru / rahu to parashari; rahu is

  never defined as malefic planet. It is explicitly stated that - if

  rahu / ketu are in kendra / trikona and have relationship with yoga

  graha, they work as yogakarka; else they are malefic.

 

  For any two planets to work as positive combination, will require both

  of them to be positive for chart in question, and if one of is

  negative, then associated planet will also be affected negatively (so

  will be the house positioned in, aspected houses and so on). Hence,

  any two planets when are in conjunction, are capable of forming a

  positive yoga. Yes, the natural characteristics of planets may differ

  (sun / saturn, mars / saturn, rahu / guru etc) and this will not

  withhold the results (though means of the results may vary).

 

  If we extend the above rationale, then guru / rahu can be a positive

  planetary combination (even with the natural characteristic getting

  hammering or say "modified"). In my experience - rahu / guru (even

  when it voilates parashari definition) is good combination from

  materialistics perspective.

 

  Now look at jupiter / moon as gaj kesari yoga. Does it work as

  positive or negative? If you apply the above logic, in the charts -

  where moon/jupiter is dusthasthana lord - this yoga will bring

  negative results. Even for karka lagna natives, if guru is exalted

  with moon in lagna, will harm the native from health perspective.

  likewise, leo lagna, kumbha lagna and makara lagna natives, will not

  experience this yoga. unfortunately, instead of accepting the

  vulnerability of such combinations, we astrologers try to find some

  other overriding factors to justify its "non working". Since, I

  stopped readings charts 7 years back - my all chart datas are lying in

  backup files, it is not possible for me to post them now. But, all the

  above notes, are truly based upon the charts - I observed at some

  stage of my astological pursuance.

 

  regards / Prafulla Gang

 

  , "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

  >

  > Dear Arjun ji,

  >

  > Thanks!

  >

  > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less friendly

  > than you may look askance at my post and say that the original 'guru

  > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one letter

  > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

  > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

  > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

  >

  > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let them

  > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

  > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it called a

  > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

  >

  > RR

  >

  > , "panditarjun2004"

  > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

  > >

  > > dear RR ji

  > >

  > > thanks for this new dimension.  i liked this very much as i

  > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all.  even if a

  > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes a

  > > realised person and becomes a benefic.  so guru chandal yoga shall

  > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

  > >

  > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the guru

  > > who is the guru of the devatas.

  > >

  > > pandit arjun

  > >

  > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

  > > wrote:

  > > >

  > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years in

  > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

  > > charts

  > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way up to

  > > the

  > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to wonder

  > if

  > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language changes

  > > and

  > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible (HORRORS!)

  > > >

  > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

  > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

  > > >

  > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

  > > >

  > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to live

  > > on

  > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

  > > >

  > > > Rohiniranjan

  > > > (aka BAD BOY)

  > > >

  > > >

  > > >

  > > >

  > > >   , shashi shekhar sharma

  > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

  > > > >

>  > >  >                                                         .HARE

  > RAM.

  > > > >   Dear Friends,

  > > > >   GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is placed

  > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

  > > > benefic Yogas.

  > > > >   

  > > > >   Regards

  > > > >   Shashi Shekhar Sharma

  > > > >  

  > > > >

  > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

  > > > >   Dear lalkitab,

  > > > >

  > > > >

  > > > > Please advice me Whether

  > > > >

  > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

  > > > >

  > > > > june 11th 1988

  > > > > time is 20:24

  > > > > place of birth is Tenali

  > > > >

  > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa. he in 12th

> > > > grade please help.

  > > > >

  > > > > the second one

  > > > >

  > > > > june 7th 1958

  > > > > time is 00:50

  > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

 

  > > > > Tella

 

 

Prashantkumar G B

  

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Dear Mr Kumar

 

I do not know, which astrologer member is your target in personal

attacks. But Nothing is superficial; and if it is, who knows the

utimate one??

 

Yes, you are correct - yogas are planetary combinations under certain

conditions and can be either good or bad for specific native

(depending upon combination); that is why perhaps, sage parashar has

not termed them as arishta.

 

Yes, you are correct that rahu / guru can be less malefic or good, in

current yuga. But it needs to be weighed for specific native. Is not it?

 

Moon/guru - I have seen not working for many charts..and who knows,

what has been the reasons for the events - not necessarily the

combinations you quoted (lots of overriding factors including aspects,

associations, positioning, D charts, SAV etc). I know, planets in

kendra from moon strengthen the moon; and so is the jupiter - but when

we want to derive conclusive candidates, it may still not qualify.

 

Most astrologers have their own way to read the event and very often

many such event candidates supercede one another. So we must be open

to evaluate the relevance thereof and work out the possibility to

derive consistent application of astrological factors. I do not think,

any one of us are rediculing the sages or their works. These works, in

fact, are the basis of astrology; but can be subject to current yuga.

We all have, at some or other, started with these books and modified

as we learnt from fellow astrologers, our experiences and multiplicity

of techniques.

 

So, do not be judgemental on individuals; after all, we all are

sharing our opinions and perspectives - and that too, based upon our

own experiences. Let us comment on the astrological issues, instead of

commenting on individuals. In my view, with all the differences (which

is natural, understandable and acceptable)each astrologer's view must

be respected (not necessarily agreed)- unless "someone" declares

himself as ultimate authority and in that case, I am willing to learn

from him without any arguments.

 

Stay to the thread. One need not be so aggressive in attacking

individuals - if the interpretations do not suit you.

 

I too, have different opinions on many areas, but it has always been a

learning ground from the experiences from others...

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> Hi Prafulla, pt arjun and others...

>  

>  It is strange that there  is superificial interpration and/or

understanding of the words and  matter around now. I am no authority

but hhwat little i had come across  as i learn in lfie I know my past

25 yrs of work is v little distance  covered in this field.

>  

>   THE sudden acceptence of Guru chandala yoga not arisha a as word

>  

>   NOW DARIDRA YOGA, VAMSA NASHA YOGA, ARISHTA YOGAS. Putrashokha

yoga etc.

>

>   these are names of some malefic yogas too

>  YOGA MEANS a combination  good or bad, and its result is implied ni

the name preceeding Yoga. and  the threads r they serious or playful,

whimsical efforts here i can't  understand form the so called superman

around who comments on every  thread in bits every few secs can't have

a crystalised way of  presentign it.

>  

>  NOW I HAD ALSO SAID in current age it is less  of a malefic, as

being materialsitic is no sin today rather is ones  prowess, acievemtn

or success yardstick. unless ill-placed.

>  

>   NOW THE DATA here r some.

>  

>   1-7-65, 00.32,Bangalore,  male dark complesxion very well to do

finincially v sound-rich but married just 2 yrs ago only son.

>  

>   same date 1-7-65, 23.32, 16 57 N, 82 57 E. female married in June

95,  girl in 96 aug, son in apr 99, avg FINANCE at start worked, good

looking part of a 6 member family, married into a well to do family.

but with many adjustments issues threre betwen members there and

within  themselves.

>  

>  20-7-65, 4.54 hr, 16 42 N, 81 06 E. 1st man to  study beyond 10th

did graduation , went outside village, state 1st man  to build a

concrete house, in village. went to US as a dependent and  became the

Boss of his wife. in 6 months.

>  

>   18-11-68, 23.15 Hyd a Parsi male married a rich Tamil well to do

tho but is doing great after marriage.

>   male, 1-12-57, 02.04, Hrs Madras a son of a great singer is a good

dubbing artist, sings well no luck tho in that area.

>  

>   male 20-6-65, 06.1pm,  Madras,  well to do man solid  resources

gifted many friends money to build their houses from his  earnings his

father died when he was stuyding in the gas explosion in  1982 Delhi

Asiad preprations in  Hotel, even people who asked him  some money got

full cost say 20-45 laks each from him as gift no1  repays him nor see

him later. is not married has no plasn to, wants to  live as he wants

not at women's dictates now has just a companion a  greek women i think.

>   ***

>   about GAJAKESARI YOGA in dusthans question it works still

>   if in Kendras u get it royally if in dusthana u get it from some1

not ur own earned

>  

>   case 1M 27-9-62, 18.11 hrs, 17 27 N, 82 35 E. he lived like a

prince as  his 5 elder brothers funded what he like all his life. wore

the most  expensive clothes for 11 months thrrew it, got new ones.

>  now after  marriage in 95, a gril in 96, and 99- 96 girl died in

3rd yr. is v rich  now traveled overseas and helps none of his

brothers sons.

>  drives  them away if they come to him for guidence as he as to feed

them just 3  months ago helped one nephew strangely though, but sent

him away moment  he got a job. he lived with us for 20 yrs earlier FREE.

>  

>  case  2m.  14-7-74, 23 54, Madras he is a tiwn the twin bro born 4

hrs  later is mentally retarded as was not know the docs left and

later were  called back to deliver the baby so is stunted child.

>  

>   so when  we make satments the calssics or earler works have

material for us to  see, use and tune it for our times not ridicule or

take a dfift at  them....

>  

>   the course of Ganga has changed will change but Ganga remains

Ganga isn't it. [even with the pollution in it]

>  

>

> Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions> wrote:        Dear Arjun ji

>  

>   I also feel that, we must look at guru / rahu with open mind and put

>   it to test in real life examples.

>  

>   Ranjan ji has provided a thoughtful clue, as to why is it called yoga

>   not arishta!!!

>  

>   If we extend the conjunction of guru / rahu to parashari; rahu is

>   never defined as malefic planet. It is explicitly stated that - if

>   rahu / ketu are in kendra / trikona and have relationship with yoga

>   graha, they work as yogakarka; else they are malefic.

>  

>   For any two planets to work as positive combination, will require both

>   of them to be positive for chart in question, and if one of is

>   negative, then associated planet will also be affected negatively (so

>   will be the house positioned in, aspected houses and so on). Hence,

>   any two planets when are in conjunction, are capable of forming a

>   positive yoga. Yes, the natural characteristics of planets may differ

>   (sun / saturn, mars / saturn, rahu / guru etc) and this will not

>   withhold the results (though means of the results may vary).

>  

>   If we extend the above rationale, then guru / rahu can be a positive

>   planetary combination (even with the natural characteristic getting

>   hammering or say "modified"). In my experience - rahu / guru (even

>   when it voilates parashari definition) is good combination from

>   materialistics perspective.

>  

>   Now look at jupiter / moon as gaj kesari yoga. Does it work as

>   positive or negative? If you apply the above logic, in the charts -

>   where moon/jupiter is dusthasthana lord - this yoga will bring

>   negative results. Even for karka lagna natives, if guru is exalted

>   with moon in lagna, will harm the native from health perspective.

>   likewise, leo lagna, kumbha lagna and makara lagna natives, will not

>   experience this yoga. unfortunately, instead of accepting the

>   vulnerability of such combinations, we astrologers try to find some

>   other overriding factors to justify its "non working". Since, I

>   stopped readings charts 7 years back - my all chart datas are lying in

>   backup files, it is not possible for me to post them now. But, all the

>   above notes, are truly based upon the charts - I observed at some

>   stage of my astological pursuance.

>  

>   regards / Prafulla Gang

>  

>   , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

wrote:

>   >

>   > Dear Arjun ji,

>   >

>   > Thanks!

>   >

>   > Although, just to be cautious and pragmatic -- someone less

friendly

>   > than you may look askance at my post and say that the original

'guru

>   > chandal' was not written in the more permissive english (one letter

>   > change gets the snake up on the sandal tree!) but sanskrit where

>   > different sounds are involved, like the hard D and A in chandal

>   > versus soft d and a in chandan :-)

>   >

>   > But it is not about semantics -- I say to the doom-sayers -- let

them

>   > convince the wise assembly with examples if this is such a big

>   > problem! And if it is indeed such a big problem -- why is it

called a

>   > YOGA and not an ARISHTA?

>   >

>   > RR

>   >

>   > , "panditarjun2004"

>   > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>   > >

>   > > dear RR ji

>   > >

>   > > thanks for this new dimension.  i liked this very much as i

>   > > personally believe there is no guru chandal yoga at all.  even

if a

>   > > chandal comes in contact with a guru, the chandal also becomes a

>   > > realised person and becomes a benefic.  so guru chandal yoga

shall

>   > > be treated as guru chandan yoga.

>   > >

>   > > in praise of planet guru as well as human guru as well as the

guru

>   > > who is the guru of the devatas.

>   > >

>   > > pandit arjun

>   > >

>   > > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

>   > > wrote:

>   > > >

>   > > > From what I have been reading about this yoga for many years in

>   > > > forums like this, pros and cons generally not accompanied by

>   > > charts

>   > > > in true Jyotish *tradition* (pick any scripture all the way

up to

>   > > the

>   > > > 19th century, truth be told brutally!) I am beginning to wonder

>   > if

>   > > > with all the oral to written transliteration and language

changes

>   > > and

>   > > > all the dyslexias and careless tiping -- is it possible

(HORRORS!)

>   > > >

>   > > > That GURU CHANDAN YOGA

>   > > > got mistyped into by some careless sage and became:

>   > > >

>   > > > GURU CHANDAL YOGA?

>   > > >

>   > > > We all know that those snakes, rahu and ketu really love to

live

>   > > on

>   > > > CHANDAN (SANDALWOOD) trees!

>   > > >

>   > > > Rohiniranjan

>   > > > (aka BAD BOY)

>   > > >

>   > > >

>   > > >

>   > > >

>   > > >   , shashi shekhar

sharma

>   > > > <polite_astro@> wrote:

>   > > > >

> >  > >  >                                                         .HARE

>   > RAM.

>   > > > >   Dear Friends,

>   > > > >   GURU- CHANDAL Yoga is quite dreadful Yoga but if it is

placed

>   > > > merely in 6th house.It abolishes all the good effects of other

>   > > > benefic Yogas.

>   > > > >   

>   > > > >   Regards

>   > > > >   Shashi Shekhar Sharma

>   > > > >  

>   > > > >

>   > > > > tella <sarada_addepalli@> wrote:

>   > > > >   Dear lalkitab,

>   > > > >

>   > > > >

>   > > > > Please advice me Whether

>   > > > >

>   > > > > these birth dates should do the donation for saturn or not

>   > > > >

>   > > > > june 11th 1988

>   > > > > time is 20:24

>   > > > > place of birth is Tenali

>   > > > >

>   > > > > I know that he has chandra mahardasa and saturn antardasa.

he in 12th

> > > > > grade please help.

>   > > > >

>   > > > > the second one

>   > > > >

>   > > > > june 7th 1958

>   > > > > time is 00:50

>   > > > > place is Tenali

> > > > > Please advice what do they have to donate.

> > > > > I know that he has Sani mahadasa

>

>   > > > > Tella

>

>

> Prashantkumar G B

>   

>   -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

group but

>  off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or phone.

>   Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

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>

>

>

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