Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio ascendant

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

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Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru Vishtiji,

Please, let me try it.

Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravi-ji,

Namaskaar, First of all thanks for helping me learn. I am further seeking few clarifications. So the lord of the ascendant is determined by the strength of the two planets, and whichever is stronger will be considered as the lord of the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

My confusion arose, because during the Arudha lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He has

Scorpio ascedant

Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

.

Further in my chart..

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo is conjunct with Jup + Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01 is in graha yudha with jupiter 6 leo 43')

would this make Mars weaker ?

I am still a beginner in this field, so if my questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

Thanks,

Neelay

"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote:

Dear Guru Vishtiji,

Please, let me try it.

Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

|| hare räma kåñna ||

 

Dear Neelay, Namaskar

 

Perhaps I can help. In Vistiji's case, you will

notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

dominating the effects. This Ketu will dominate

as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

 

But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of importance):

 

- if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

- the planet joined more planets is stronger

- the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

- the planet in higher dignity is stronger

- the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

 

But this determines the strength of the lord of

Lagna. The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

matter. When it comes to arudha padas of signs

having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

manifest. In this case you need to look at the

strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and when.

 

I hope that helps,

 

Best wishes,

 

Samir

 

 

 

At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Ravi-ji,

>

>Namaskaar, First of all thanks for helping me

>learn. I am further seeking few clarifications.

>So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

>the strength of the two planets, and whichever

>is stronger will be considered as the lord of

>the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

>

>My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

>lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He has

>

>Scorpio ascedant

>Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

>but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

>

>He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

>his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

>Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

>in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

>

>.

>Further in my chart..

>Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

>

>Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

>Mars in 10 house in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

>Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01 is in graha yudha with jupiter 6 leo 43')

>

>would this make Mars weaker ?

>

>I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

>questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

>

>Thanks,

>Neelay

>

>"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote:

>Dear Guru Vishtiji,

>

>Please, let me try it.

>

>Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

>temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

>Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

>Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

>kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

>Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

>Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

>Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

>

>Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

>

>Regards

>

>Ravi Nair

>

>

>

>mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

>Dear Visti-ji and other members,

>

>Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

>am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

>calculate my AL.

>

>My chart is as follow:

>

>Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

>

>Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

>Mars in 10 house in Leo.

>

>In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

>the lord ?

>

>Thanks,

>Neelay

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>~ om tat sat ~

>Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>the Great who said that the human stomach should

>not become a graveyard for animals.

>(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>

>

>

>----------

>!

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravi,

 

You should use rules of strength presented in Jaimini Sutras.

 

If there is ketu/mars in scorpio then take the other lord

 

next see:

 

1. More planets with Lord (with Ma/Ke)

2. Drsti of Ju/Me/Lord of sign where Ma/Ke is placed

 

dig bal is irrelevant here..

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

-

A. Ravindran Nair

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:43 PM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio ascendant

 

 

Dear Guru Vishtiji,

 

Please, let me try it.

 

Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi..

Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

 

Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

 

mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Ms. Neelay,

I am also an Astrology Student.

And I missed one point.

In this scenario, first consideration is the longtitude of the planets. The planet with higher longtitude is to be taken. For Kethu/Rahu the longtitude is to be taken in reverse. Suppose it is in 3 degrees in Rasi, since Kethu traverses in the reverse direction, its longtitude is to be taken as 27 deg (30 minus 3 deg). If in equal longtitudes, then the power of the planets is to be considered.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

neelay <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Ravi-ji,

Namaskaar, First of all thanks for helping me learn. I am further seeking few clarifications. So the lord of the ascendant is determined by the strength of the two planets, and whichever is stronger will be considered as the lord of the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

My confusion arose, because during the Arudha lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He has

Scorpio ascedant

Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

.

Further in my chart..

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo is conjunct with Jup + Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01 is in graha yudha with jupiter 6 leo 43')

would this make Mars weaker ?

I am still a beginner in this field, so if my questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

Thanks,

Neelay

"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club > wrote:

Dear Guru Vishtiji,

Please, let me try it.

Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

 

 

 

!

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafalji,

Thanks for the guidance which helps.

I was all the time telling that correction/guidance shall speed up the learning process. Eventhough I made number of posts in the past, anticipating learned guruji's shall make comments/corrections, but none was forthcoming. I mentioned it guru Vishtiji also earlier.

Anyway thanks for the initiative. Future guidance/corrections are most welcome.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

Dear Ravi,

You should use rules of strength presented in Jaimini Sutras.

If there is ketu/mars in scorpio then take the other lord

next see:

1. More planets with Lord (with Ma/Ke)

2. Drsti of Ju/Me/Lord of sign where Ma/Ke is placed

dig bal is irrelevant here..

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

A. Ravindran Nair

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:43 PM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio ascendant

 

Dear Guru Vishtiji,

Please, let me try it.

Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

Regards

Ravi Nair

 

mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

Dear Visti-ji and other members,

 

Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

calculate my AL.

 

My chart is as follow:

 

Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

 

Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

Mars in 10 house in Leo.

 

In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

the lord ?

 

Thanks,

Neelay

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

 

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

|| hare räma kåñna ||

 

Dear Rafal, Namaskar!

 

In Neelay's case, Mars, who by the normal rules

of strength is stronger, is defeated in a graha

yuddha with Jupiter. Does this change anything?

 

Thanks,

 

Samir

 

 

 

At 04:58 25/05/2006, you wrote:

>Dear Ravi,

>

>You should use rules of strength presented in Jaimini Sutras.

>

>If there is ketu/mars in scorpio then take the other lord

>

>next see:

>

>1. More planets with Lord (with Ma/Ke)

>2. Drsti of Ju/Me/Lord of sign where Ma/Ke is placed

>

>dig bal is irrelevant here..

>

>Regards

>Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>-

><rain13club >A. Ravindran Nair

><>

>Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:43 PM

>Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio ascendant

>

>Dear Guru Vishtiji,

>

>Please, let me try it.

>

>Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

>temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

>Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna rasi.

>Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

>kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in 10th.

>Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

>Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

>Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

>

>Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

>

>Regards

>

>Ravi Nair

>

>

>

>mechumla <mechumla > wrote:

>Dear Visti-ji and other members,

>

>Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

>am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

>calculate my AL.

>

>My chart is as follow:

>

>Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

>

>Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

>Mars in 10 house in Leo.

>

>In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

>the lord ?

>

>Thanks,

>Neelay

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Ring'em or ping'em. Make

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

>calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

>

>~ om tat sat ~

>Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

>Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

>(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

>the Great who said that the human stomach should

>not become a graveyard for animals.

>(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Samir,

 

Namaskar. Nice to see you back after a long time.

Graha yuddha is between Mangal and Guru and the result is considered

between them. Guru's conjunction strengthen's Mangal over Ketu, hence

this factor contributes to strength of Mangal in a positive way.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

=================================================================

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke

wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Rafal, Namaskar!

>

> In Neelay's case, Mars, who by the normal rules

> of strength is stronger, is defeated in a graha

> yuddha with Jupiter. Does this change anything?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

> At 04:58 25/05/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Ravi,

> >

> >You should use rules of strength presented in Jaimini Sutras.

> >

> >If there is ketu/mars in scorpio then take the other lord

> >

> >next see:

> >

> >1. More planets with Lord (with Ma/Ke)

> >2. Drsti of Ju/Me/Lord of sign where Ma/Ke is placed

> >

> >dig bal is irrelevant here..

> >

> >Regards

> >Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >-

> ><rain13clubA. Ravindran Nair

> ><

> >Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:43 PM

> >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio

ascendant

> >

> >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> >

> >Please, let me try it.

> >

> >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik guna

rasi.

> >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> >kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength in

10th.

> >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> >

> >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Ravi Nair

> >

> >

> >

> >mechumla mechumla wrote:

> >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> >

> >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

> >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> >calculate my AL.

> >

> >My chart is as follow:

> >

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house in Leo.

> >

> >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

> >the lord ?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd..\

com/evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

> >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

today

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

 

When the JH wasnt available  with all features I tend

to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are little

different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

 

1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will rule.

2. number of grahas yuti.

4. guru/buddha/lord rule

5. Exalted

6. Oddity

7. More yrs

8. Longitude.

 

The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience with JH.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Neelay, Namaskar

>

> Perhaps I can help.  In Vistiji's case, you will

> notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> dominating the effects.  This Ketu will dominate

> as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

>

> But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of

importance):

>

> - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

> - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

>

> But this determines the strength of the lord of

> Lagna.  The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> matter.  When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> manifest.  In this case you need to look at the

> strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and

when.

>

> I hope that helps,

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

> At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Ravi-ji,

> >

> >Namaskaar,  First of all thanks for helping me

> >learn.  I am further seeking few clarifications.

> >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> >

> >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He  has

> >

> >Scorpio ascedant

> >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> >

> >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> >

> >.

> >Further in my chart..

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house  in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01  is in graha yudha with jupiter

6 leo 43')

> >

> >would this make Mars weaker ?

> >

> >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club> wrote:

> >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> >

> >Please, let me try it.

> >

> >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

guna rasi.

> >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> >kendras 10th is more powerful.  Mars has got directional strength

in 10th.

> >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> >

> >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Ravi Nair

> >

> >

> >

> >mechumla <mechumla> wrote:

> >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> >

> >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

> >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> >calculate my AL.

> >

> >My chart is as follow:

> >

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

> >

> >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

> >the lord ?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

 

> >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >

> >

> >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd./evt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone

 

> >Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> >

> >

> >

> >----------

> >!

[Guest guest]

Dear Samir,

 

To my knowledge yuddha hasnt anything to do here.

 

So : Nope.

 

ps. Nice to see You back. Let Your dharmakarmadhipati with moon in

tenth rise!

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Rafal, Namaskar!

>

> In Neelay's case, Mars, who by the normal rules

> of strength is stronger, is defeated in a graha

> yuddha with Jupiter.  Does this change anything?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

> At 04:58 25/05/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Ravi,

> >

> >You should use rules of strength presented in Jaimini Sutras.

> >

> >If there is ketu/mars in scorpio then take the other lord

> >

> >next see:

> >

> >1. More planets with Lord (with Ma/Ke)

> >2. Drsti of Ju/Me/Lord of sign where Ma/Ke is placed

> >

> >dig bal is irrelevant here..

> >

> >Regards

> >Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >-

> ><rain13club>A. Ravindran Nair

> ><>

> >Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:43 PM

> >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for

Scorpio ascendant

> >

> >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> >

> >Please, let me try it.

> >

> >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

guna rasi.

> >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> >kendras 10th is more powerful.  Mars has got directional strength

in 10th.

> >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> >

> >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Ravi Nair

> >

> >

> >

> >mechumla <mechumla> wrote:

> >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> >

> >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

> >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> >calculate my AL.

> >

> >My chart is as follow:

> >

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

> >

> >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

> >the lord ?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

 

> >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Guys, Namaskar

I believe the Narayana dasa book is free online.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

***

 

 

[] On

Behalf Of Rafal

25 May 2006 12:37

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio

ascendant

 

Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

 

When the JH wasnt available  with all features I tend

to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are little

different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

 

1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will rule.

2. number of grahas yuti.

4. guru/buddha/lord rule

5. Exalted

6. Oddity

7. More yrs

8. Longitude.

 

The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience with JH.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Neelay, Namaskar

>

> Perhaps I can help.  In Vistiji's case, you will

> notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> dominating the effects.  This Ketu will dominate

> as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

>

> But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of

importance):

>

> - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

> - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

>

> But this determines the strength of the lord of

> Lagna.  The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> matter.  When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> manifest.  In this case you need to look at the

> strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and

when.

>

> I hope that helps,

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

> At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> >Dear Ravi-ji,

> >

> >Namaskaar,  First of all thanks for helping me

> >learn.  I am further seeking few clarifications.

> >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> >

> >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He  has

> >

> >Scorpio ascedant

> >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> >

> >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> >

> >.

> >Further in my chart..

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house  in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01  is in graha yudha with jupiter

6 leo 43')

> >

> >would this make Mars weaker ?

> >

> >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club> wrote:

> >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> >

> >Please, let me try it.

> >

> >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

guna rasi.

> >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> >kendras 10th is more powerful.  Mars has got directional strength

in 10th.

> >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> >

> >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Ravi Nair

> >

> >

> >

> >mechumla <mechumla> wrote:

> >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> >

> >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

> >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> >calculate my AL.

> >

> >My chart is as follow:

> >

> >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> >

> >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> >Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

> >

> >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

> >the lord ?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Neelay

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./

evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

 

> >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >

> >

> >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd./e

vt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone

 

> >Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> >

> >~ om tat sat ~

> >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> >not become a graveyard for animals.

> >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> >

> >

> >

> >----------

> >!

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Rafal,

 

Namaskar. Yes, this sequence is given in

Narasimha-ji's book also. By the way, there is a separate doubt in case

of Divisional charts, where Rahu-Ketu are always together (like D-24).

That means whenever Mangal is alone, Ketu gets ownership (unless Ke is

in Vrischika). I am a bit doubtful in such cases.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

 

==================================================================

, "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote:

>

> Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

>

> When the JH wasnt available with all features I tend

> to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are little

> different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

>

> 1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will rule.

> 2. number of grahas yuti.

> 4. guru/buddha/lord rule

> 5. Exalted

> 6. Oddity

> 7. More yrs

> 8. Longitude.

>

> The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience with JH.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>

> , Samir Shah solaris.smoke@ wrote:

> >

> > || hare räma kåñna ||

> >

> > Dear Neelay, Namaskar

> >

> > Perhaps I can help. In Vistiji's case, you will

> > notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> > dominating the effects. This Ketu will dominate

> > as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

> >

> > But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> > for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of

> importance):

> >

> > - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

> > - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> > - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> > Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> > - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> > - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> > weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

> >

> > But this determines the strength of the lord of

> > Lagna. The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> > matter. When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> > having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> > manifest. In this case you need to look at the

> > strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and

> when.

> >

> > I hope that helps,

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> >

> >

> > At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> > >Dear Ravi-ji,

> > >

> > >Namaskaar, First of all thanks for helping me

> > >learn. I am further seeking few clarifications.

> > >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> > >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> > >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> > >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> > >

> > >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> > >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He has

> > >

> > >Scorpio ascedant

> > >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> > >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> > >

> > >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> > >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> > >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> > >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> > >

> > >.

> > >Further in my chart..

> > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > >

> > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > >Mars in 10 house in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> > >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01 is in graha yudha with jupiter

> 6 leo 43')

> > >

> > >would this make Mars weaker ?

> > >

> > >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> > >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Neelay

> > >

> > >"A. Ravindran Nair" rain13club@ wrote:

> > >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> > >

> > >Please, let me try it.

> > >

> > >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> > >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> > >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

> guna rasi.

> > >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> > >kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength

> in 10th.

> > >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> > >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> > >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> > >

> > >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >

> > >Ravi Nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >mechumla mechumla@ wrote:

> > >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> > >

> > >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna.

I

> > >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> > >calculate my AL.

> > >

> > >My chart is as follow:

> > >

> > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > >

> > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > >Mars in 10 house in Leo.

> > >

> > >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or

be

> > >the lord ?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Neelay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

> >

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd..\

com/evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

>

> > >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make

> >

>

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd..c\

om/evt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone

>

> > >Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> > >~ om tat sat ~

> > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> reading today

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >----------

> > >!

[Guest guest]

|| hare räma kåñna ||

 

Dear Guruji, Rafal, Sourav, Namaskar

 

In the Narayana Dasa book, Sanjayji says that in

order to determine the stronger of the two

co-lords (provided one of them isn't in the sign

being lorded), we simply find the stronger of the

signs in which both lords are placed - using the

standard rule for the sources of strength, i.e.,

 

>1. The sign with a planet (or with more planets)

>is considered stronger than a sign without a

>planet (or with lesser number of planets).

>2. If the signs have equal number of planets,

>then the status of the planets like exaltation,

>Moolatrikona, Swakshetra etc, should be

>considered to declare the stronger sign.

>3. If they are still equal in strength, or

>without planets, then the natural strengths of

>Dual signs being stronger than fixed signs and

>fixed signs being stronger than movable signs considered.

>4. The Lord with a higher degree (used Chara

>Karaka) shall make the sign stronger.

>5. If the two signs have the same lord or if

>their lords have equal longitudes (irrespective

>of signs), then for an even sign, placement of

>Lord in a male sign or for an odd sign,

>placement of the Lord in an even sign is a source of strength.

>6. The sign which gives a higher Dasa period is stronger

 

which is different from both the lists given by

me and Rafal earlier! The list I gave was from

one of Sanjayji's old mails on the VA list (whose

earlier messages appear to have been deleted). I've copied it here:

 

>For comparing the strengths of Rahu/Saturn & Ketu/Mars:

>

>(a) First see if one lord is in that sign. If

>so, other lord is stronger. For example, if

>Saturn is in Aquarius, then invariably Rahu should be taken as its lord.

>

>(b) If one of the above houses is with a larger

>number of planets, then he is stronger.

>

>© "SWAAMI GURUJNA DRIGYOGAHA". If one of them

>is aspected by more out of (aa) Jupiter, (bb)

>Mercury and (cc) dispositor, then he is

>stronger. These carry equal weight. Example :

>Lets assume that we are considering Le &

>Aq(1/7). Lets also assume that Le is aspected by

>Ju & Aq by Me, and their lords donot aspect

>their respective signs. Then there is a tie.

>When looking for the aspect of lord/dispositor,

>you can settle for aspect from either lord, but

>you have to use the stronger lord in all other rules.

>

>(d) If one of them is exalted, then he is

>stronger (opposite for debilitation).

>

>(e) One occupying a sign of higher natural

>strength (Dual>Fixed>Movable) is stronger.

>

>(f) One giving more years is stronger.

>

>(g) A sign whose lord is more advanced in

>longitude from the beginning of its sign is

>stronger. Rahu and Ketu's advancement should be

>measured from the end of sign rather than beginning.

 

So I'm a little confused now...

 

Best wishes,

 

Samir

 

 

 

At 12:04 25/05/2006, you wrote:

>||Hare Rama Krsna||

>Dear Guys, Namaskar

>I believe the Narayana dasa book is free online.

>Best wishes,

>***

>Visti Larsen

>For services and articles visit:

>http://srigaruda.com

>***

>

>

> [] On

>Behalf Of Rafal

>25 May 2006 12:37

>

>Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio

>ascendant

>

>Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

>

>When the JH wasnt available with all features I tend

>to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are little

>different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

>

>1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will rule.

>2. number of grahas yuti.

>4. guru/buddha/lord rule

>5. Exalted

>6. Oddity

>7. More yrs

>8. Longitude.

>

>The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience with JH.

>

>Regards

>Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>

>, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote:

> >

> > || hare räma kåñna ||

> >

> > Dear Neelay, Namaskar

> >

> > Perhaps I can help. In Vistiji's case, you will

> > notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> > dominating the effects. This Ketu will dominate

> > as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

> >

> > But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> > for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of

>importance):

> >

> > - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

> > - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> > - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> > Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> > - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> > - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> > weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

> >

> > But this determines the strength of the lord of

> > Lagna. The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> > matter. When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> > having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> > manifest. In this case you need to look at the

> > strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and

>when.

> >

> > I hope that helps,

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> >

> >

> > At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> > >Dear Ravi-ji,

> > >

> > >Namaskaar, First of all thanks for helping me

> > >learn. I am further seeking few clarifications.

> > >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> > >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> > >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> > >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> > >

> > >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> > >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He has

> > >

> > >Scorpio ascedant

> > >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> > >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> > >

> > >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> > >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> > >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> > >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> > >

> > >.

> > >Further in my chart..

> > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > >

> > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > >Mars in 10 house in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> > >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01 is in graha yudha with jupiter

>6 leo 43')

> > >

> > >would this make Mars weaker ?

> > >

> > >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> > >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Neelay

> > >

> > >"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club wrote:

> > >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> > >

> > >Please, let me try it.

> > >

> > >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> > >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> > >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

>guna rasi.

> > >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> > >kendras 10th is more powerful. Mars has got directional strength

>in 10th.

> > >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> > >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> > >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> > >

> > >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >

> > >Ravi Nair

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >mechumla <mechumla wrote:

> > >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> > >

> > >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha Lagna. I

> > >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> > >calculate my AL.

> > >

> > >My chart is as follow:

> > >

> > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > >

> > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > >Mars in 10 house in Leo.

> > >

> > >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate or be

> > >the lord ?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Neelay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

> >

> ><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./

>evt=39666/*http://voice.>PC-to-phone

>

> > >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make

> >

> ><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd./e

>vt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone

>

> > >Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> > >~ om tat sat ~

> > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

>reading today

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >----------

> > >!

[Guest guest]

Dear Samir, Sourav,

 

The second list from Sanjay Ji is the same as my finding, I was using

this getting same results as Jagganath Hora, of course there are some

exceptions which needs correction anyway thats close to reality..

 

There are many such list of strength, sometimes the AK takes

predominance. Guru mantra's and good karma  must be done for proper

memorizing/blessings.

 

Regarda

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke> wrote:

>

> || hare räma kåñna ||

>

> Dear Guruji, Rafal, Sourav, Namaskar

>

> In the Narayana Dasa book, Sanjayji says that in

> order to determine the stronger of the two

> co-lords (provided one of them isn't in the sign

> being lorded), we simply find the stronger of the

> signs in which both lords are placed - using the

> standard rule for the sources of strength, i.e.,

>

> >1. The sign with a planet (or with more planets)

> >is considered stronger than a sign without a

> >planet (or with lesser number of planets).

> >2. If the signs have equal number of planets,

> >then the status of the planets like exaltation,

> >Moolatrikona, Swakshetra etc, should be

> >considered to declare the stronger sign.

> >3. If they are still equal in strength, or

> >without planets, then the natural strengths of

> >Dual signs being stronger than fixed signs and

> >fixed signs being stronger than movable signs considered.

> >4. The Lord with a higher degree (used Chara

> >Karaka) shall make the sign stronger.

> >5. If the two signs have the same lord or if

> >their lords have equal longitudes (irrespective

> >of signs), then for an even sign, placement of

> >Lord in a male sign or for an odd sign,

> >placement of the Lord in an even sign is a source of strength.

> >6. The sign which gives a higher Dasa period is stronger

>

> which is different from both the lists given by

> me and Rafal earlier!  The list I gave was from

> one of Sanjayji's old mails on the VA list (whose

> earlier messages appear to have been deleted).  I've copied it here:

>

> >For comparing the strengths of Rahu/Saturn & Ketu/Mars:

> >

> >(a) First see if one lord is in that sign. If

> >so, other lord is stronger. For example, if

> >Saturn is in Aquarius, then invariably Rahu should be taken as its

lord.

> >

> >(b) If one of the above houses is with a larger

> >number of planets, then he is stronger.

> >

> >© "SWAAMI GURUJNA DRIGYOGAHA". If one of them

> >is aspected by more out of (aa) Jupiter, (bb)

> >Mercury and (cc) dispositor, then he is

> >stronger. These carry equal weight. Example :

> >Lets assume that we are considering Le &

> >Aq(1/7). Lets also assume that Le is aspected by

> >Ju & Aq by Me, and their lords donot aspect

> >their respective signs. Then there is a tie.

> >When looking for the aspect of lord/dispositor,

> >you can settle for aspect from either lord, but

> >you have to use the stronger lord in all other rules.

> >

> >(d) If one of them is exalted, then he is

> >stronger (opposite for debilitation).

> >

> >(e) One occupying a sign of higher natural

> >strength (Dual>Fixed>Movable) is stronger.

> >

> >(f) One giving more years is stronger.

> >

> >(g) A sign whose lord is more advanced in

> >longitude from the beginning of its sign is

> >stronger. Rahu and Ketu's advancement should be

> >measured from the end of sign rather than beginning.

>

> So I'm a little confused now...

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

> At 12:04 25/05/2006, you wrote:

> >||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >Dear Guys, Namaskar

> >I believe the Narayana dasa book is free online.

> >Best wishes,

> >***

> >Visti Larsen

> >For services and articles visit:

> >http://srigaruda.com

> >***

> >

> >

> >

[] On

> >Behalf Of Rafal

> >25 May 2006 12:37

> >

> >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for Scorpio

> >ascendant

> >

> >Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

> >

> >When the JH wasnt available  with all features I tend

> >to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are little

> >different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

> >

> >1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will rule.

> >2. number of grahas yuti.

> >4. guru/buddha/lord rule

> >5. Exalted

> >6. Oddity

> >7. More yrs

> >8. Longitude.

> >

> >The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience with JH.

> >

> >Regards

> >Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > >

> > > || hare räma kåñna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Neelay, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Perhaps I can help.  In Vistiji's case, you will

> > > notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> > > dominating the effects.  This Ketu will dominate

> > > as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

> > >

> > > But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> > > for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending order of

> >importance):

> > >

> > > - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is stronger

> > > - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> > > - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> > > Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> > > - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> > > - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> > > weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

> > >

> > > But this determines the strength of the lord of

> > > Lagna.  The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> > > matter.  When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> > > having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> > > manifest.  In this case you need to look at the

> > > strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will manifest and

> >when.

> > >

> > > I hope that helps,

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> > > >Dear Ravi-ji,

> > > >

> > > >Namaskaar,  First of all thanks for helping me

> > > >learn.  I am further seeking few clarifications.

> > > >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> > > >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> > > >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> > > >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> > > >

> > > >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> > > >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He  has

> > > >

> > > >Scorpio ascedant

> > > >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> > > >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> > > >

> > > >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> > > >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> > > >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> > > >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> > > >

> > > >.

> > > >Further in my chart..

> > > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > > >

> > > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > > >Mars in 10 house  in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> > > >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01  is in graha yudha with jupiter

> >6 leo 43')

> > > >

> > > >would this make Mars weaker ?

> > > >

> > > >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> > > >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >Neelay

> > > >

> > > >"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club@> wrote:

> > > >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> > > >

> > > >Please, let me try it.

> > > >

> > > >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> > > >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> > > >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a satwik

> >guna rasi.

> > > >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> > > >kendras 10th is more powerful.  Mars has got directional strength

> >in 10th.

> > > >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> > > >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> > > >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> > > >

> > > >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> > > >

> > > >Regards

> > > >

> > > >Ravi Nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >mechumla <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> > > >

> > > >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha

Lagna. I

> > > >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my lagna to

> > > >calculate my AL.

> > > >

> > > >My chart is as follow:

> > > >

> > > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > > >

> > > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > > >Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

> > > >

> > > >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will dominate

or be

> > > >the lord ?

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >Neelay

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Ring'em or ping'em. Make

> > >

> >

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd./

> >evt=39666/*http://voice...com>PC-to-phone

> >

> > > >calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make

> > >

> >

><http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman2/*http://us.rd./e

> >vt=39663/*http://voice.>PC-to-Phone

> >

> > > >Calls using Messenger with Voice.

> > > >

> > > >~ om tat sat ~

> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

> > > >the Great who said that the human stomach should

> > > >not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> >reading today

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >----------

> > > >!

[Guest guest]

Dear members,

 

There is that additional thought which had been voiced in the past

that the Nodes cannot lord Arudha Padas as they do not have any

material existence and Arudha padas show precisely that: tangible

things.

 

In the January issue of the Jyotish Digest, it is interesting to

study the article on Arudha Transits by Kanupriya Singh.

 

In the Example Chart 2, Kumbha Lagna rises with the dual lordship of

Rahu and Saturn. Though Saturn is stronger by being conjoined Shukra

in the Pancham Bhava, the Arudha Lagna is taken to be denoted with

respect to the natal position of Rahu. J Hora gives the AL as Tula

due to Shani's position in the 5th Bhava but Kanupriya Singh takes

the AL to be in the 4th Bhava as Rahu is in the 10th Bhava from the

Lagna.

 

The rationale appears to be that the Arudha Lagnas ought to be

calculated for both Rahu-Saturn for Kumbha Lagna and for Mangal-Ketu

for Vrishchik Lagna. Then the strength of the two ALs ought to be

judged and the stronger be taken as the AL.

 

In the case cited (August 3, 1974; 19:58:00 (5:30 east); 77E12,

28N36 the AL calculated with refernce to Rahu's position, even

though Rahu is alone and Shani is conjoined another Graha is taken.

Thus Vrishabh is taken as the AL which is stronger than Tula (given

by J Hora) as Ketu is posited there while Tula does not have any

Graha there.

 

The article also has Sanjay Ji's editorial notes appended at the

end.

 

Best wishes.

 

Anurag Sharma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Rafal" <starsuponme> wrote:

>

> Dear Samir, Sourav,

>

> The second list from Sanjay Ji is the same as my finding, I was

using

> this getting same results as Jagganath Hora, of course there are

some

> exceptions which needs correction anyway thats close to reality..

>

> There are many such list of strength, sometimes the AK takes

> predominance. Guru mantra's and good karma  must be done for proper

> memorizing/blessings.

>

> Regarda

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

> , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@>

wrote:

> >

> > || hare räma kåñna ||

> >

> > Dear Guruji, Rafal, Sourav, Namaskar

> >

> > In the Narayana Dasa book, Sanjayji says that in

> > order to determine the stronger of the two

> > co-lords (provided one of them isn't in the sign

> > being lorded), we simply find the stronger of the

> > signs in which both lords are placed - using the

> > standard rule for the sources of strength, i.e.,

> >

> > >1. The sign with a planet (or with more planets)

> > >is considered stronger than a sign without a

> > >planet (or with lesser number of planets).

> > >2. If the signs have equal number of planets,

> > >then the status of the planets like exaltation,

> > >Moolatrikona, Swakshetra etc, should be

> > >considered to declare the stronger sign.

> > >3. If they are still equal in strength, or

> > >without planets, then the natural strengths of

> > >Dual signs being stronger than fixed signs and

> > >fixed signs being stronger than movable signs considered.

> > >4. The Lord with a higher degree (used Chara

> > >Karaka) shall make the sign stronger.

> > >5. If the two signs have the same lord or if

> > >their lords have equal longitudes (irrespective

> > >of signs), then for an even sign, placement of

> > >Lord in a male sign or for an odd sign,

> > >placement of the Lord in an even sign is a source of strength..

> > >6. The sign which gives a higher Dasa period is stronger

> >

> > which is different from both the lists given by

> > me and Rafal earlier!  The list I gave was from

> > one of Sanjayji's old mails on the VA list (whose

> > earlier messages appear to have been deleted).  I've copied it

here:

> >

> > >For comparing the strengths of Rahu/Saturn & Ketu/Mars:

> > >

> > >(a) First see if one lord is in that sign. If

> > >so, other lord is stronger. For example, if

> > >Saturn is in Aquarius, then invariably Rahu should be taken as

its

> lord.

> > >

> > >(b) If one of the above houses is with a larger

> > >number of planets, then he is stronger.

> > >

> > >© "SWAAMI GURUJNA DRIGYOGAHA". If one of them

> > >is aspected by more out of (aa) Jupiter, (bb)

> > >Mercury and (cc) dispositor, then he is

> > >stronger. These carry equal weight. Example :

> > >Lets assume that we are considering Le &

> > >Aq(1/7). Lets also assume that Le is aspected by

> > >Ju & Aq by Me, and their lords donot aspect

> > >their respective signs. Then there is a tie.

> > >When looking for the aspect of lord/dispositor,

> > >you can settle for aspect from either lord, but

> > >you have to use the stronger lord in all other rules.

> > >

> > >(d) If one of them is exalted, then he is

> > >stronger (opposite for debilitation).

> > >

> > >(e) One occupying a sign of higher natural

> > >strength (Dual>Fixed>Movable) is stronger.

> > >

> > >(f) One giving more years is stronger.

> > >

> > >(g) A sign whose lord is more advanced in

> > >longitude from the beginning of its sign is

> > >stronger. Rahu and Ketu's advancement should be

> > >measured from the end of sign rather than beginning.

> >

> > So I'm a little confused now...

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> >

> >

> > At 12:04 25/05/2006, you wrote:

> > >||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >Dear Guys, Namaskar

> > >I believe the Narayana dasa book is free online.

> > >Best wishes,

> > >***

> > >Visti Larsen

> > >For services and articles visit:

> > >http://srigaruda.com

> > >***

> > >

> > >

> > >

> [] On

> > >Behalf Of Rafal

> > >25 May 2006 12:37

> > >

> > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Finding the lord of lagna for

Scorpio

> > >ascendant

> > >

> > >Dear Guruji, Samir, Sourav

> > >

> > >When the JH wasnt available  with all features I tend

> > >to count narayana dasa by hand. I used this rules which are

little

> > >different that list given by Samir. Hope we can clarify.

> > >

> > >1. present of one of lord in aq/sc sign means the other will

rule.

> > >2. number of grahas yuti.

> > >4. guru/buddha/lord rule

> > >5. Exalted

> > >6. Oddity

> > >7. More yrs

> > >8. Longitude.

> > >

> > >The list was built from early mails on ND and my experience

with JH.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Rafal Gendarz

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || hare räma kåñna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelay, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps I can help.  In Vistiji's case, you will

> > > > notice that he has a Kala Amrita Yoga, which is

> > > > dominating the effects.  This Ketu will dominate

> > > > as Lagna lord while the KAY is effective.

> > > >

> > > > But otherwise, Sanjayji gave the following rules

> > > > for finding the stronger of the dual lords (in descending

order of

> > >importance):

> > > >

> > > > - if one lord is in the lorded sign, then the other lord is

stronger

> > > > - the planet joined more planets is stronger

> > > > - the planet aspected by more out of Jupiter,

> > > > Mercury and it's dispositor is stronger

> > > > - the planet in higher dignity is stronger

> > > > - the planet in the stronger sign (Movable is

> > > > weaker than Fixed, which is weaker than Dual)

> > > >

> > > > But this determines the strength of the lord of

> > > > Lagna.  The Arudha Lagna is a slightly different

> > > > matter.  When it comes to arudha padas of signs

> > > > having dual lordship, both arudhas can and do

> > > > manifest.  In this case you need to look at the

> > > > strength of each Arudha itself to determine which will

manifest and

> > >when.

> > > >

> > > > I hope that helps,

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Samir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At 18:49 24/05/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >Dear Ravi-ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >Namaskaar,  First of all thanks for helping me

> > > > >learn.  I am further seeking few clarifications.

> > > > >So the lord of the ascendant is determined by

> > > > >the strength of the two planets, and whichever

> > > > >is stronger will be considered as the lord of

> > > > >the lagnesh, if i understand correctly.

> > > > >

> > > > >My confusion arose, because during the Arudha

> > > > >lecture Visti-ji took his chart as an example. He  has

> > > > >

> > > > >Scorpio ascedant

> > > > >Mars in 10 th house in Leo.

> > > > >but Ketu is in 3 rd house in Aquarius.

> > > > >

> > > > >He takes Ketu as the lord of his ascendant, so

> > > > >his AL falls in Pisces. How is Ketu stronger in

> > > > >Aquarius? It is not in a kendra or kona, its not

> > > > >in exaltation, mooltrikona or own house.

> > > > >

> > > > >.

> > > > >Further in my chart..

> > > > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > > > >

> > > > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > > > >Mars in 10 house  in Leo is conjunct with Jup +

> > > > >Sat ® + Ra ( also mars ( 6 Leo 01  is in graha yudha with

jupiter

> > >6 leo 43')

> > > > >

> > > > >would this make Mars weaker ?

> > > > >

> > > > >I am still a beginner in this field, so if my

> > > > >questions seem too sillly or obvious please forgive..

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >Neelay

> > > > >

> > > > >"A. Ravindran Nair" <rain13club@> wrote:

> > > > >Dear Guru Vishtiji,

> > > > >

> > > > >Please, let me try it.

> > > > >

> > > > >Kethu is in 4th house (friends house but

> > > > >temporary enemy and also in neecha rasi - tamo guna).

> > > > >Mars also is in friends house (temporary enemy) but in a

satwik

> > >guna rasi.

> > > > >Kethu and Mars both are in kendras but amongst

> > > > >kendras 10th is more powerful.  Mars has got directional

strength

> > >in 10th.

> > > > >Moon neecha in lagna and Mars in 10th cause neechabhangam.

> > > > >Hence Mars is more powerful than Kethu and

> > > > >Arudha to be calculated taking Mars as Lagna Lord.

> > > > >

> > > > >Pl guide me if erred in the analysis.

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards

> > > > >

> > > > >Ravi Nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >mechumla <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > >Dear Visti-ji and other members,

> > > > >

> > > > >Namaskar. I was going throught Visti-ji's lecture on Arudha

> Lagna. I

> > > > >am a little confused as to what would be the lord of my

lagna to

> > > > >calculate my AL.

> > > > >

> > > > >My chart is as follow:

> > > > >

> > > > >Scorpio Ascendant --with moon in it.

> > > > >

> > > > >Ketu in 4 th house in Aquarius.

> > > > >Mars in 10 house  in Leo.

> > > > >

> > > > >In such situation, how do we decide which planet will

dominate

> or be

> > > > >the lord ?

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >Neelay

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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