Amitabh's Jup antars - Savana Vs Vimshottari

May 24, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Chandrashekharji,

I can write a long reply to this and carry this forward but I think this

thread has died its natural death long back.

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> It appears there are too many times of Amitabha floating around.

>

> Dr. Shankar Says"1. Taking the Date of Birth as October 11, 1942 at

> 14.00 hrs in Allahabad (Uttar Pradesh), the horoscope has an exalted

> Jupiter with Rahu in Leo, Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury in Virgo, Moon

> and Libra, Ketu and Aquarius and a retrograde Saturn in Taurus."

>

> Some appear to say it is 16.00 hr. You say it is 15.00 hrs ( you are

> right that war time has to be considered for 1942) the data I have

says

> it is 15.00 and so on. But as you can see I am using the same time.

>

> About it appears that the texts you refer to say something about

maraka

> graha giving deathlike experience, without appropriate Gochar

> simultaneously occurring, that you appear to expect. Vimshottari dasha

> interpretations do not happen that way. You may like to read Ududaaya

> Pradeep, before we can take this discussion any further. Of course if

in

> your opinion Jupiter is not Maraka for Aquarius lagna then you are

> referring to something other than Vedic astrology and I am not

> acquainted with any such other form of astrology. I was always under

the

> impression, since you began the thread with Panch Mahapurusha yoga,

that

> you are referring to Vedic astrology. It now appears I was not correct

> in such assumption.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > Om Datta Guru

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > The data is 16.00 but if i remember there was war time in that

period &

> > hence Goravani finally gives it what other softwares give it as

15.00.

> > i.e the Lagna is Aq 1.56 or 1.44, 2-3 yrs back when i didnt have

> > appropriate softwares I saw the lagna degree in KN Raos book &

corrected

> > the birth time.

> >

> > Lets get the chart correct first and get to Jup antars

> >

> > 1. If Jup is a Maraka then how come in Jups Mahadasha he didnt have

> > death like suffering, what is known so far i s he was in the BEST

school

> > in india, had Rajiv Gandhi as his friends during Jup Mahadasha. His

Jup

> > mahadasa happened when he was very young and it is good that he

didnt

> > enter the film industry then, apart from other reasons for delay in

the

> > rise in his career, Sat as 10th lord retro from AL, how could his

> > Aroodha manifest early. Others would have different opinion and

wouldn't

> > get into another thread, already this thread is too long.

> >

> > 2. I am not sure if a Maraka Planet erases a Gajeshara Yoga.

> >

> > If lower

> > > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you

explain

> > this?

> >

> > 3. Can a lower level dasha & gochar promise such Great acheivements,

> > I already showed it through release dateas didnt you read my mail,

we

> > would be going in circles . for so long in the lists people say that

if

> > maha & antar doesnt promise anything then transits and other

subsidiary

> > PDs are of no use and now this is new to me, but am keeping open

mind.

> > I shall explain at the end of this thread why Jup will give mixed

> > results & why it is suicidal to judge an antar by just one factor of

> > Maraka if a period or planet is BAD. But ofcourse my explanation

would

> > just be an attempt and can be called "Match Fixing Astrology" but i

> > would use one of Patels expositions among other things

> >

> > This discussion is going nowhere & consuming both our times

according to

> > me so I request & hope you will get the chart correct & lets go back

to

> > Savana & 365 and only then we would come toknow how his Jup fared in

> > both the systems & then come to some conclusion

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> > > indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I

do

> > not

> > > think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> > > Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is

> > apparent,

> > > since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is

why

> > I

> > > used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry.

I

> > get

> > > Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> > > different dasha order.

> > >

> > > I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00

Allahabad. Do

> > > you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to

be

> > > different. If we are talking about a different data then,

apparently,

> > > the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

> > >

> > > As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years

> > period,

> > > there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If

lower

> > > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you

explain

> > this?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > > > incidents

> > > > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using

different

> > > > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and

Narada.

> > So

> > > > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are

> > antar

> > > > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position

of

> > > > grahas.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SJ:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the

word

> > > > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning

so

> > many

> > > > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we

allot

> > good

> > > > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely

know

> > that

> > > > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > > > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the

gochars

> > > > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> > > >

> > > > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > > > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but

movies

> > like

> > > > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light

that

> > it

> > > > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST

&

> > are

> > > > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act

so.

> > > >

> > > > Remarks:

> > > > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> > > >

> > > > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> > > >

> > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987

to

> > 27th

> > > > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> > > >

> > > > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana

period

> > of

> > > > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> > > >

> > > > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana

period

> > of

> > > > Jup antar)

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> > > >

> > > > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA

--

> > > > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a

> > Maraka

> > > > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a

Legend

> > and

> > > > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been

> > portrayed

> > > > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka

> > period.

> > > > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this

inspite of

> > > > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering

non

> > stop

> > > > hits (writing for memory)

> > > >

> > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988

to

> > 6th

> > > > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> > > >

> > > > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> > > >

> > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > >

> > > > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> > > >

> > > > HIT MOVIES within this period

> > > >

> > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > >

> > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > > > Dasa

> > > >

> > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > >

> > > > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > > > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > > > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> > > >

> > > > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for

2005,

> > which

> > > > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > > > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went

general

> > > > on the year and memory)

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion

> > > >

> > > > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that

> > his

> > > > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits.

(as

> > > > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > > > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> > > >

> > > > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also

> > gave

> > > > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of

his

> > Top

> > > > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons

why

> > this

> > > > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> > > >

> > > > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a

> > marked

> > > > difference

> > > >

> > > > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > > > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern

> > minutely in

> > > > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film

when

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage

to

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge

that

> > you

> > > > possess.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha

> > using

> > > > 360

> > > > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving

MIXED

> > > > results

> > > > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through

Out",

> > so

> > > > how

> > > > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has

given

> > him

> > > > hit

> > > > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even

by

> > Savana

> > > > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Think about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha

means

> > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him

good

> > for

> > > > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR

follows

> > > > 365.2425

> > > > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360

Savana

> > days

> > > > for

> > > > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost

all

> > the

> > > > lists

> > > > > > > that I write on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been

erratic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent

carefully.

> > I

> > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka

and

> > > > then

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > > > according to

> > > > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for

aq

> > lagna,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I

didn't

> > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't

even

> > know

> > > > > > such an

> > > > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath &

one

> > more

> > > > > > movie

> > > > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email

I

> > also

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I

showed

> > that

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results

but

> > > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my

> > mails to

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did

> > mention

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops

> > also in

> > > > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give

> > good

> > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier

> > mails. I

> > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of

urs

> > > > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > > > Bharat, If

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

Aquarius

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

knowledge,

> > 2nd

> > > > and

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

lower

> > > > level.

> > > > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

shloka 41

> > and

> > > > 42.

> > > > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca

has

> > > > still

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not

just

> > > > > > mediocre.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > > > personalities

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th

> > Feb.

> > > > 1990.

> > > > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get

Sat/Jup

> > from

> > > > 25th

> > > > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some

months

> > from

> > > > what

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer

to

> > > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess

the

> > real

> > > > > > dates

> > > > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong

on

> > > > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup --

the

> > same

> > > > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind

charts

> > (I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took

> > pains

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is

what

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as

the

> > > > Hindi

> > > > > > film

> > > > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed

the

> > part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to

> > have

> > > > lost

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show

the

> > > > flicker of

> > > > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In

> > 1989,

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops

i.e.

> > they

> > > > could

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop

is a

> > film

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the

producer's

> > > > cost). A

> > > > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a

long

> > > > overdue

> > > > > > exit,

> > > > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out

> > venture

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense

debts.

> > "

> > > > You

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

> > Aquarius

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of

my

> > > > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th

lord

> > on a

> > > > > > lower

> > > > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka

Ch.34

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > 41

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in

Sunil's

> > > > mind. If

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by

1971

> > and

> > > > he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in

> > Saturn

> > > > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the

ego,

> > > > however

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

11th

> > lord

> > > > would

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> > Vimshottari

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

given

> > him

> > > > Good

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > Maraka,

> > > > so

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

in

> > Sat

> > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> > basic

> > > > rules

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd

from

> > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion

went

> > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau

on

> > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > > > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha,

if

> > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well

being

> > of

> > > > wife

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to

> > master/employer;

> > > > gain

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other

> > benefic

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of

> > charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed

with

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the

problems

> > > > arising

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't

> > place

> > > > who

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given

my

> > views

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> > have

> > > > passed

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u

did a

> > > > typo by

> > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in

mahadasha

> > and

> > > > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good.

Moreover,

> > his

> > > > movie

> > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his

> > supportive

> > > > role

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an

> > accomplished

> > > > > > Theatre

> > > > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got

him

> > > > rejected

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining

> > ground. If

> > > > we

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and

transits

> > that

> > > > might

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri

R.

> > G.

> > > > Rao

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want

I

> > can

> > > > state

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them

and

> > give

> > > > my

> > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it

can

> > > > aggravate

> > > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha

> > Yoga

> > > > will

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that

ONLY

> > a

> > > > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the

sole

> > > > criteria

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology

can

> > > > vouch

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha

Yoga

> > as

> > > > I

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good

> > results

> > > > Also.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

11th

> > lord

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> > Vimshottari

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving

good

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > Good

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it

as

> > > > Maraka,

> > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup

antar

> > in

> > > > Sat

> > > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca

&

> > basic

> > > > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd

> > from

> > > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion

went

> > > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he

might

> > have

> > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u

did

> > a

> > > > typo

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings

and

> > > > actually

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but

honestly I

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha

yoga

> > since

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the

test

> > of

> > > > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say

easily

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to

> > understand

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at

the

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that

what he

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly,

> > still

> > > > even

> > > > > > if we

> > > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do

not

> > > > change

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down

if a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that

even

> > > > though

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we

can

> > prove

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down

the

> > > > rules

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10

charts,

> > but

> > > > we

> > > > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even

when

> > taken

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another

> > case of

> > > > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology ,

the

> > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should

as

> > honest

> > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not

> > happened

> > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the

bottom

> > of a

> > > > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others

who

> > only

> > > > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct"

as I

> > have

> > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest

> > towards

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before

hand

> > we

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind

chart

> > might

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place:

> > 76 E

> > > > 02'

> > > > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Female: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession

& if

> > at

> > > > all

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) October 6, 1942, Time:

> > 7:30:00,

> > > > > > Time

> > > > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles

> > City,

> > > > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital

records

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time

was

> > > > fairly

> > > > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7) April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > > > Jupiter's

> > > > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains

his

> > > > career

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives

him

> > > > success.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna

isn't

> > > > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If

you

> > see

> > > > the

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and

> > consistency

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to

the

> > 9th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if

in

> > own

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though

in

> > the

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage

of

> > Ketu.

> > > > It

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes

the

> > > > markesh

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not

considered

> > as

> > > > first

> > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and

both

> > Sun

> > > > and

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in

matters

> > of

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he

can

> > have

> > > > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need

not

> > be

> > > > > > there in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view

regarding

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

actually

> > help

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your

> > phone.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

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