Can effects of bad star position be removed?

[Guest guest]

First of all, i am sorry if you get hurt by my statement. I am very

much a human being. Shankar already preached that the creation can

be understood in comparison with a day dreamer. The ignorance of

daydreamer is in full control of the dreamer. He can come out of the

ignorance at any moment as per his wish.

 

The creation is considered as an imagination of Lord. Even any human

being can also imagine or day dream. From this practical experience

we can understand that we are not expanding irrespective of anything

happened to the contents of the dream. I mean, the dreamer is not

going to be afftected by any changes in the dream.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Surya!

> Absolutely wrong, you say? Or is it the Creator speaking through

you?

> If the words are from your brain, how can you be so sure? Are you

not human? :-)

> RR

>

"surya" <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> >

> > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just

as

> > its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children!

> Well

> > some  do, anyway ... ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> >

> >

> > Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand as a

> > perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of worldly

> father-son cannot be valid in front of Him.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

`Why God needs a website? Why God needs money? He can do anything

without the help of these things'

Swami replied:

 

When the work is possible through the process that follows the laws of

nature, supernatural power of God is not used. Only demons exhibit the

supernatural powers even if there is no necessity. They want to draw

the attention and attract the people for their name and fame. Their

aim is not to uplift the humanity. Such attraction creates attention

in the people. But it simultaneously creates tension also. The

realization and natural love (Devotion) cannot be created in excited

state of tension. The devotion should be spontaneous and should be

developed in the ground state only, which alone is sweet. This entire

universe is created by the Lord only for tasting such real natural

sweet devotion of devotees. The exhibition of miracles always creates

fear and tension and a natural flexible state is not possible, in

which only the sweet devotion can be tasted. The tension will block

your mind and you will not dare to clear your doubts. It is not

congenial for the growth and expansion of divine knowledge. Unless

there is a bare necessity the Lord will not perform miracles. When the

work is not possible through natural phase, then only the supernatural

power lightens. Even if the miracle is performed the Lord will try to

hide it so that the natural state is balanced. When Lord Krishna

covered the sun with His divine wheel, He interpreted it as the cover

of cloud. The intention of the Lord is not self exhibition like a

demon. The same supernatural miracle performed by a demon is used for

his self projection. The Lord likes to be loved by the devotees

without exhibiting His supernatural wealth.

The son of a king who is good and humble likes to win the heart of a

girl without exposing his identity. He does not like to exhibit his

wealth to win her heart. Similarly the God likes to attract the hearts

of devotees by His divine knowledge which is His eternal divine

beauty. If the son of the king has no self-merit, he tries to attract

her by cheap exhibition of his identity and wealth. Thus a demon like

Satan tries to attract the human beings by cheap exhibition of the

supernatural powers and tries to convert them as his devotees. Satan

tried to attract Jesus by showing his kingdom. Jesus attracted people

by His divine knowledge. When it becomes inevitable to do a miracle

which cannot be hidden, the Lord tries to neutralize the tension by

exhibiting strong negative qualities. Lord Krishna lifted the mountain

and protected the villagers from the rain. Such miracles cannot be

hidden and misinterpreted. To bring them to the normal state the Lord

exhibited very strong Rajas and Tamas like stealing butter and dancing

with girls. In the case of Lord Rama there was no necessity of such

exhibition of miracles. There was no need for Him to show the negative

qualities. Thus the Lord is associated with all the three qualities to

be used wherever and whenever necessary.

 

All the discoveries of science are only due to grace of God. The

computer technology is the gift from God to humanity. Some are earning

their livelihood through this technology. Livelihood is essential and

is the basis of the body, which is the instrument of all spiritual

efforts. This technology is used for the spiritual service. Are you

objecting the creator of this technology to use it for His own work?

You must be grateful to the Lord. You can use it for your worldly

purpose but you should atleast express your gratefulness by using it

for His service also. Every scientific benefit is granted by God with

primary purpose of using it in the spiritual line only. Majority of

top scientists believe in God and accept their discoveries as the

results of grace of God only. A discovery is always experienced as an

accidental incident like a flash. It is not the result of the

continuous hard work. During the hard work a flash strikes to the

brain of the scientist. The scientist gets disgusted during his hard

work and suddenly a flash in the brain results in the discovery. If

the discovery is the fruit of hard work, it should naturally come at

the end of the hard work without any flash. Such flash is due to the

grace of the Lord. Almost all top scientists agree to this truth. Only

a few egoistic scientists do not agree to this.

Science is very helpful in the analysis of this creation, which helps

to realize that no item of this creation is the creator. Science does

not help to understand anything about the creator. Infact even the

philosophers and sages have not understood anything about the creator.

The philosopher also analysed the entire creation. In this aspect

there is no difference between the philosopher and scientist. The only

difference between them is that the scientist does not accept the

existence of unknown creator beyond the creation, whereas the

philosopher accepts Him.

For a philosopher miracles are not necessary. He is very sensitive and

recognizes the existence of God through the deep analysis of various

incidents in his life. The scientist is not so sensitive. He needs the

proof through physical miracles. Most of the scientists turn into

devotees through such miracles visible to naked eyes. Such scientists

have open mind and courage to accept the truth due to their wise

flexibility. But a few scientists have very rigid mind and do not

accept even the physical miracles attributing these to magic and

illusion. Such people should not be called as scientists.  Science

means rational flexibility to leave the old disproved concepts and

accept the new proved concepts. People who are rigid in their old

fixed concepts are called as conservatives. These people mock the

devotees as conservatives and the joke is that they are the original

raw conservatives!

The bonds with wife, children and money are the strongest bonds and

are called as the three `Eshanas' which are the steel chains. The Lord

competes with these three to test your love on Him. It is not the

question of requirement. It is the question of identifying your love.

Your son is well settled and does not require money. But still you are

giving your wealth to him only. That shows your love on him which is

not related with his requirement. You are covering your absence of

love on God with this pretext of non-requirement. By such cover you

want the favour from God. You can deceive a human being by such

intellectual coverage, but can you deceive the Lord who is omniscient?

Instead of such tricks God will be pleased with you, if you say

frankly that you do not want to give money since you do not have love

on Him. Truth is always better than trick.

A lady was applying scent to the feet of Jesus. One disciple told that

it is waste, since Jesus does not require it. But Jesus objected the

disciple and accepted the scent which signifies her immense love on

Lord Jesus. It indicates the divine love of the lady and there is no

point of requirement here.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

"rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality. But

> is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and space

> but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle but a

> cycle still?

> regards

>

> rishi

>

      "crystal pages" <rrgb@>  wrote:

> 

>  Here is the question that perplexes me!

>>

>> HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET INTERNET 

CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual 

ascendancy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Surya ji

 

Life continues, whether we belive in god or not. God is neutral force

and does not interfere in karmic obligations. Many philosophies, do

not believe in existence of god - say jainism or budhism. To them, the

supersouls has attained nirvana (and have no bondage with human beings).

It is important for our meaningful existence, to be a good human being

and fulfill our worldly obligations and then Even if, one does not

believe in god / superpower, his soul will be directed towards its

meaningful journey. Most critically, once we start questioning our own

faith and compromise with basic values, then there is no escape, even

if we worship for long hours.

 

Path to meaningful journey can not be set by religion alone; religion

is just a regulator. I do believe in existence of god..but it is

matter of faith, more than anything else. But what is wrong in asking

from god for any relief, like child asking his parents for something.

If we have sense of belongings to our faith, then certainly - our

faith will reciprocate. Personally speaking, I do not have any

spiritual goals, but for sure..I pursue my faith to empower me to be a

good human being and being able to fulfill my obligations to self,

family and other external bodies at large.

 

Coming to web, internet, technology etc..I do not think, anyone wants

to live in the assumption that god needs it. Not necessarily every

human being also needs them. But if available, why should not these be

deployed for mankind. and Mankind does not necessarily means social

justice. I strongly believe that - there is no hard definition to the

correctness of path and who knows, if god thinks the same way? If "god

" is really bothered about correctness of objects and objectives, then

- why did they bless bhasmasur?

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000> wrote:

>

> `Why God needs a website? Why God needs money? He can do anything

> without the help of these things'

> 

> Swami replied:

>

> When the work is possible through the process that follows the laws of

> nature, supernatural power of God is not used. Only demons exhibit the

> supernatural powers even if there is no necessity. They want to draw

> the attention and attract the people for their name and fame. Their

> aim is not to uplift the humanity. Such attraction creates attention

> in the people. But it simultaneously creates tension also. The

> realization and natural love (Devotion) cannot be created in excited

> state of tension. The devotion should be spontaneous and should be

> developed in the ground state only, which alone is sweet. This entire

> universe is created by the Lord only for tasting such real natural

> sweet devotion of devotees. The exhibition of miracles always creates

> fear and tension and a natural flexible state is not possible, in

> which only the sweet devotion can be tasted. The tension will block

> your mind and you will not dare to clear your doubts. It is not

> congenial for the growth and expansion of divine knowledge. Unless

> there is a bare necessity the Lord will not perform miracles. When the

> work is not possible through natural phase, then only the supernatural

> power lightens. Even if the miracle is performed the Lord will try to

> hide it so that the natural state is balanced. When Lord Krishna

> covered the sun with His divine wheel, He interpreted it as the cover

> of cloud. The intention of the Lord is not self exhibition like a

> demon. The same supernatural miracle performed by a demon is used for

> his self projection. The Lord likes to be loved by the devotees

> without exhibiting His supernatural wealth.

> 

> The son of a king who is good and humble likes to win the heart of a

> girl without exposing his identity. He does not like to exhibit his

> wealth to win her heart. Similarly the God likes to attract the hearts

> of devotees by His divine knowledge which is His eternal divine

> beauty. If the son of the king has no self-merit, he tries to attract

> her by cheap exhibition of his identity and wealth. Thus a demon like

> Satan tries to attract the human beings by cheap exhibition of the

> supernatural powers and tries to convert them as his devotees. Satan

> tried to attract Jesus by showing his kingdom. Jesus attracted people

> by His divine knowledge. When it becomes inevitable to do a miracle

> which cannot be hidden, the Lord tries to neutralize the tension by

> exhibiting strong negative qualities. Lord Krishna lifted the mountain

> and protected the villagers from the rain. Such miracles cannot be

> hidden and misinterpreted. To bring them to the normal state the Lord

> exhibited very strong Rajas and Tamas like stealing butter and dancing

> with girls. In the case of Lord Rama there was no necessity of such

> exhibition of miracles. There was no need for Him to show the negative

> qualities. Thus the Lord is associated with all the three qualities to

> be used wherever and whenever necessary.

>

> All the discoveries of science are only due to grace of God. The

> computer technology is the gift from God to humanity. Some are earning

> their livelihood through this technology. Livelihood is essential and

> is the basis of the body, which is the instrument of all spiritual

> efforts. This technology is used for the spiritual service. Are you

> objecting the creator of this technology to use it for His own work?

> You must be grateful to the Lord. You can use it for your worldly

> purpose but you should atleast express your gratefulness by using it

> for His service also. Every scientific benefit is granted by God with

> primary purpose of using it in the spiritual line only. Majority of

> top scientists believe in God and accept their discoveries as the

> results of grace of God only. A discovery is always experienced as an

> accidental incident like a flash. It is not the result of the

> continuous hard work. During the hard work a flash strikes to the

> brain of the scientist. The scientist gets disgusted during his hard

> work and suddenly a flash in the brain results in the discovery. If

> the discovery is the fruit of hard work, it should naturally come at

> the end of the hard work without any flash. Such flash is due to the

> grace of the Lord. Almost all top scientists agree to this truth. Only

> a few egoistic scientists do not agree to this.

> 

> Science is very helpful in the analysis of this creation, which helps

> to realize that no item of this creation is the creator. Science does

> not help to understand anything about the creator. Infact even the

> philosophers and sages have not understood anything about the creator.

> The philosopher also analysed the entire creation. In this aspect

> there is no difference between the philosopher and scientist. The only

> difference between them is that the scientist does not accept the

> existence of unknown creator beyond the creation, whereas the

> philosopher accepts Him.

> 

> For a philosopher miracles are not necessary. He is very sensitive and

> recognizes the existence of God through the deep analysis of various

> incidents in his life. The scientist is not so sensitive. He needs the

> proof through physical miracles. Most of the scientists turn into

> devotees through such miracles visible to naked eyes. Such scientists

> have open mind and courage to accept the truth due to their wise

> flexibility. But a few scientists have very rigid mind and do not

> accept even the physical miracles attributing these to magic and

> illusion. Such people should not be called as scientists.  Science

> means rational flexibility to leave the old disproved concepts and

> accept the new proved concepts. People who are rigid in their old

> fixed concepts are called as conservatives. These people mock the

> devotees as conservatives and the joke is that they are the original

> raw conservatives!

> 

> The bonds with wife, children and money are the strongest bonds and

> are called as the three `Eshanas' which are the steel chains. The Lord

> competes with these three to test your love on Him. It is not the

> question of requirement. It is the question of identifying your love.

> Your son is well settled and does not require money. But still you are

> giving your wealth to him only. That shows your love on him which is

> not related with his requirement. You are covering your absence of

> love on God with this pretext of non-requirement. By such cover you

> want the favour from God. You can deceive a human being by such

> intellectual coverage, but can you deceive the Lord who is omniscient?

> Instead of such tricks God will be pleased with you, if you say

> frankly that you do not want to give money since you do not have love

> on Him. Truth is always better than trick.

> 

> A lady was applying scent to the feet of Jesus. One disciple told that

> it is waste, since Jesus does not require it. But Jesus objected the

> disciple and accepted the scent which signifies her immense love on

> Lord Jesus. It indicates the divine love of the lady and there is no

> point of requirement here.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality. But

> > is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and space

> > but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle but a

> > cycle still?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

>       "crystal pages" <rrgb@>  wrote:

> > 

> >  Here is the question that perplexes me!

> >>

> >> HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET INTERNET 

> CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual 

> ascendancy?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

some cross questioning :(supporting there is no contradiction as is

perceived)

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> "> your statements are contradicting each other. {contradicting?how

?where?}

 

Onething is true, Lord

> is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of doubt in

> that. {yes!there is no doubt reflected about His Identity in the piece

of thought in the bottom most message.}

>

> According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him.{mind bugging!" Lord

only knows himself"...if it is so,then no one/nothing except God can say

about God.how can then VEDA know/say about God? then any picturisation

of God by VEDA can't necessarily be taken correct!!!  }

 

He only can preach the divine knowledge. {if it is so,then let Him

preach.why then are we arguing/discussing about Him? seems

meaningless!if only He can preach divine knowledge then contents  in

VEDA about divine knowledge can't necessarily be true.imperative to

mention here,is,VEDA is all about preaches of mahatma vedavyas only as

analysed/understood by his mind's eye & can't necessarily taken as

Preaches of God,Almighty.}

 

when son asks any doubt, father will

> definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to clarify, but

> the child should be ready to listen and follow also.{Lord is willing

to clarify ?...sir,how do You know it?can You tell,what is the means by

which God would like to clarify/He clarifies?....."the child should be

ready to listen"-it means,the child may not listen to the preaches of

Lord.if the leader commands something & his followers do not listen to

him,then what's the value of the leader?same way,God being

Omnipotent/the supreme powerful,if He says something & His children do

not pay heed,then what's the value of His power?obviously then His

Integrity would be questioned!........ok!there is no doubt,He is

Omnipotent.what can be the reason behind,even His being Omnipotent,He

can go  effectless ???..........any answer ??? does not it here someway

imply "no one &/ nothing is beyond principle.even He has made Himself

fettered to His Own Principle".....??? exam:Lord Ram in the AVATAR,shed

off His God Consciousness,typically menifested in Human

consciousness,even though is Omnipotent.WHY???---bcos,He is fettered to

His Own principle...now what is His Principle???sorry!i do not

know....Only He knows as is rightly mentioned in this message.}

>

> Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture without

> hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).------Ok!

>

> the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by normal

> principles of creation. {definitely He must be having His code of

conduct for MIRACLES to be performed.}

 

but He Himself as the Administrator of the

> universe will follow the rules of His own administration. (No

> sincere administrator will break his own rules.) {yes!that's why,it is

mentioned "no one &/ nothing is beyond principle.even He has made

Himself fettered to His Own Principle"-----eventhough He is Supreme,when

He  bows to His Principle means He is handicapped without & by the

Principle.}

 

  In the extreme case

> of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle otherwise, He

> follows the rules of His own administration. it does not mean that

> He is also dictated by His administration. {yeah! can it be feasible,

1+1 equals & also not equals to 2 ?------ any instance that He also

dictates & breaks law?------when He is not dictated by His

Principle,means He goes unruly/wrong.then He also suffers.so He is also

Imperfect.}He is completely

> independent unlike us. {when we don't listen to His rule,literally we

also dictate His rule so we

suffer.}---THANKS!

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>sushreesp" sushreesp@ wrote:

> >

> > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is very

> > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > unnecessarily get compelled to answer if any of His fellow

> questions His Being/Integrity.

> > He is Omniscent .

> >

> > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to which

> He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> >

> > -----parents grow up by the right parenting principle with & by

> > their children------plz help me how such discussion came up

about

> > God.i am a new member to this group.

> > regards,

> > ssp

>

>

> you please refer the original message of this thread.

>

> message no. is 28187.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> >

> > -----parents grow up by the right parenting principle with & by

> > their children------plz help me how such discussion came up

about

> > God.i am a new member to this group.

> > regards,

> > ssp

>

>

> you please refer the original message of this thread.

>

> message no. is 28187.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

 

dear sir,

 

thanks fo guiding me to the beginning of the discussion.

regards,

ssp

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

I meant through the 'mind's eyes' of course.

The <physical> eyes see what the mind sees <knows>

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> "See" what?

> That what the eyes see?

> That what the mind percieves?

> Always the circle of confusion, indeed!!

> In my opinion, maybe "see" the path on which I have to travel in

> life full of multiple choices, not necessarily the path of

> spirituality or religion alone, but the path on which I have to

> respond in terms of material resources, work in terms of reducing

my

> limitations to reach certain undefined vague illusory objectives.

> The path of this life when each individual is at times untruthful

to

> one's own self.

> regards

> rishi

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Yes it is -- as long as the circle of wisdom (religio-spiritual

> term)

> > does not become a circle of confusion (optical term)

> >

> > What good is religion/spirituality if it does not enable us

> to 'see'

> > better than before?

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality.

> But

> > > is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and

> space

> > > but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle

> but

> > a

> > > cycle still?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear surya and OTHERS,

> > > >

> > > > Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who

> > > carried

> > > > each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD FATHER??

> > > After

> > > > all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some major

> > > societies

> > > > that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as you know

> it --

> > > the

> > > > one that is connecting us to this gospel and many like it!)?

> > > >

> > > > Surya, I think the way you and many other devotees are

> creating

> > > this

> > > > bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal and to be

> > > challenged!

> > > > Why must we just assume and accept what you want the world to

> > > believe

> > > > in based on vedas or whatever (used to be Bible in other

parts

> > and

> > > > times, and other scriptures have also tried their thing and

> still

> > > > are! And new scriptures emerging all the time!!)? These are

> all

> > > human

> > > > creations, at least as far as the hard copy versions that all

> the

> > > > modern pravachans are copied and pasted from? NOTHING

> original!!

> > > And

> > > > all we have to do is to challenge them and their anima/animus

> > > comes

> > > > boiling forth! Look at the past archives here or elsewhere!

> > > >

> > > > I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created in MAN's image

> > > > (Sisters -- please note that when the oh so sacred, so

secret>

> > > > religious books were created, you already had been beaten and

> > > > relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not through holy

> books

> > > but

> > > > through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one and all of

your

> > > > forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the forms of newer

> > > > religions which finally have become wise enough to see you

for

> > > what

> > > > you always were and meant to be!

> > > >

> > > > Being the heretic, none of those, new and old do I believe

in -

> -

> > > for

> > > > I can only believe in that which is common and ordinary and

> > > mundane,

> > > > householder life, the REAL thing for most of us, one or two

> > > mahatmas

> > > > and brahmacharis barred of course, the real daily commute

that

> > > gives

> > > > me internet and not ashrams, from which some of the lofty and

> > > unreal

> > > > mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

> > > >

> > > > Here is the question that perplexes me!

> > > >

> > > > HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET

> INTERNET

> > > > CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and

> perpetual

> > > > ascendancy?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "surya"

> <dattapr2000@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > > > > > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is

> > > revolutionising.

> > > > > > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God

is,He

> is

> > > > very

> > > > > > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > > > > > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His

> fellow

> > > > > questions His Being/Integrity.

> > > > > > He is Omniscent .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System

> to

> > > > which

> > > > > He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond

> > > principle"

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is

> true,

> > > > Lord

> > > > > is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of

> > doubt

> > > in

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only

> can

> > > > preach

> > > > > the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

> > > > > definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to

> clarify,

> > > but

> > > > > the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can

capture

> > > > without

> > > > > hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

> > > > >

> > > > > the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by

> normal

> > > > > principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator

> of

> > > the

> > > > > universe will follow the rules of His own administration.

> (No

> > > > > sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the

> extreme

> > > > case

> > > > > of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle

> otherwise,

> > He

> > > > > follows the rules of His own administration. it does not

> mean

> > > that

> > > > > He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

> > > > > independent unlike us.

> > > > >

> > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > > surya

> > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Are you aware of the phenomenon called "lucid dreaming?"

 

Please ask any day dreamer! They never come out of the daydream by

their volition! Something happens that gets their attention and

brings it to the here and now physical reality!

 

Lucid dreaming -- now that is where we are talking about personal and

volitional control :-)

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> First of all, i am sorry if you get hurt by my statement. I am very

> much a human being. Shankar already preached that the creation can

> be understood in comparison with a day dreamer. The ignorance of

> daydreamer is in full control of the dreamer. He can come out of

the

> ignorance at any moment as per his wish.

>

> The creation is considered as an imagination of Lord. Even any

human

> being can also imagine or day dream. From this practical experience

> we can understand that we are not expanding irrespective of

anything

> happened to the contents of the dream. I mean, the dreamer is not

> going to be afftected by any changes in the dream.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

>

> "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > Surya!

> > Absolutely wrong, you say? Or is it the Creator speaking through

> you?

> > If the words are from your brain, how can you be so sure? Are you

> not human? :-)

> > RR

> >

> "surya" <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just

> as

> > > its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their

children!

> > Well

> > > some  do, anyway ... ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand as a

> > > perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of worldly

> > father-son cannot be valid in front of Him.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Are you now tailoring the question to suit what answer you have ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> `Why God needs a website? Why God needs money? He can do anything

> without the help of these things'

> 

> Swami replied:

>

> When the work is possible through the process that follows the laws

of

> nature, supernatural power of God is not used. Only demons exhibit

the

> supernatural powers even if there is no necessity. They want to

draw

> the attention and attract the people for their name and fame. Their

> aim is not to uplift the humanity. Such attraction creates

attention

> in the people. But it simultaneously creates tension also. The

> realization and natural love (Devotion) cannot be created in

excited

> state of tension. The devotion should be spontaneous and should be

> developed in the ground state only, which alone is sweet. This

entire

> universe is created by the Lord only for tasting such real natural

> sweet devotion of devotees. The exhibition of miracles always

creates

> fear and tension and a natural flexible state is not possible, in

> which only the sweet devotion can be tasted. The tension will block

> your mind and you will not dare to clear your doubts. It is not

> congenial for the growth and expansion of divine knowledge. Unless

> there is a bare necessity the Lord will not perform miracles. When

the

> work is not possible through natural phase, then only the

supernatural

> power lightens. Even if the miracle is performed the Lord will try

to

> hide it so that the natural state is balanced. When Lord Krishna

> covered the sun with His divine wheel, He interpreted it as the

cover

> of cloud. The intention of the Lord is not self exhibition like a

> demon. The same supernatural miracle performed by a demon is used

for

> his self projection. The Lord likes to be loved by the devotees

> without exhibiting His supernatural wealth.

> 

> The son of a king who is good and humble likes to win the heart of

a

> girl without exposing his identity. He does not like to exhibit his

> wealth to win her heart. Similarly the God likes to attract the

hearts

> of devotees by His divine knowledge which is His eternal divine

> beauty. If the son of the king has no self-merit, he tries to

attract

> her by cheap exhibition of his identity and wealth. Thus a demon

like

> Satan tries to attract the human beings by cheap exhibition of the

> supernatural powers and tries to convert them as his devotees.

Satan

> tried to attract Jesus by showing his kingdom. Jesus attracted

people

> by His divine knowledge. When it becomes inevitable to do a miracle

> which cannot be hidden, the Lord tries to neutralize the tension by

> exhibiting strong negative qualities. Lord Krishna lifted the

mountain

> and protected the villagers from the rain. Such miracles cannot be

> hidden and misinterpreted. To bring them to the normal state the

Lord

> exhibited very strong Rajas and Tamas like stealing butter and

dancing

> with girls. In the case of Lord Rama there was no necessity of such

> exhibition of miracles. There was no need for Him to show the

negative

> qualities. Thus the Lord is associated with all the three qualities

to

> be used wherever and whenever necessary.

>

> All the discoveries of science are only due to grace of God. The

> computer technology is the gift from God to humanity. Some are

earning

> their livelihood through this technology. Livelihood is essential

and

> is the basis of the body, which is the instrument of all spiritual

> efforts. This technology is used for the spiritual service. Are you

> objecting the creator of this technology to use it for His own

work?

> You must be grateful to the Lord. You can use it for your worldly

> purpose but you should atleast express your gratefulness by using

it

> for His service also. Every scientific benefit is granted by God

with

> primary purpose of using it in the spiritual line only. Majority of

> top scientists believe in God and accept their discoveries as the

> results of grace of God only. A discovery is always experienced as

an

> accidental incident like a flash. It is not the result of the

> continuous hard work. During the hard work a flash strikes to the

> brain of the scientist. The scientist gets disgusted during his

hard

> work and suddenly a flash in the brain results in the discovery. If

> the discovery is the fruit of hard work, it should naturally come

at

> the end of the hard work without any flash. Such flash is due to

the

> grace of the Lord. Almost all top scientists agree to this truth.

Only

> a few egoistic scientists do not agree to this.

> 

> Science is very helpful in the analysis of this creation, which

helps

> to realize that no item of this creation is the creator. Science

does

> not help to understand anything about the creator. Infact even the

> philosophers and sages have not understood anything about the

creator.

> The philosopher also analysed the entire creation. In this aspect

> there is no difference between the philosopher and scientist. The

only

> difference between them is that the scientist does not accept the

> existence of unknown creator beyond the creation, whereas the

> philosopher accepts Him.

> 

> For a philosopher miracles are not necessary. He is very sensitive

and

> recognizes the existence of God through the deep analysis of

various

> incidents in his life. The scientist is not so sensitive. He needs

the

> proof through physical miracles. Most of the scientists turn into

> devotees through such miracles visible to naked eyes. Such

scientists

> have open mind and courage to accept the truth due to their wise

> flexibility. But a few scientists have very rigid mind and do not

> accept even the physical miracles attributing these to magic and

> illusion. Such people should not be called as scientists.  Science

> means rational flexibility to leave the old disproved concepts and

> accept the new proved concepts. People who are rigid in their old

> fixed concepts are called as conservatives. These people mock the

> devotees as conservatives and the joke is that they are the

original

> raw conservatives!

> 

> The bonds with wife, children and money are the strongest bonds and

> are called as the three `Eshanas' which are the steel chains. The

Lord

> competes with these three to test your love on Him. It is not the

> question of requirement. It is the question of identifying your

love.

> Your son is well settled and does not require money. But still you

are

> giving your wealth to him only. That shows your love on him which

is

> not related with his requirement. You are covering your absence of

> love on God with this pretext of non-requirement. By such cover you

> want the favour from God. You can deceive a human being by such

> intellectual coverage, but can you deceive the Lord who is

omniscient?

> Instead of such tricks God will be pleased with you, if you say

> frankly that you do not want to give money since you do not have

love

> on Him. Truth is always better than trick.

> 

> A lady was applying scent to the feet of Jesus. One disciple told

that

> it is waste, since Jesus does not require it. But Jesus objected

the

> disciple and accepted the scent which signifies her immense love on

> Lord Jesus. It indicates the divine love of the lady and there is

no

> point of requirement here.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality.

But

> > is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and

space

> > but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle

but a

> > cycle still?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

>       "crystal pages" <rrgb@>  wrote:

> > 

> >  Here is the question that perplexes me!

> >>

> >> HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET

INTERNET 

> CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual 

> ascendancy?

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Exactly...where does lucid dreaming end?

Are lucid dreams just wishfyl thoughts of the conscious awareness?

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Are you aware of the phenomenon called "lucid dreaming?"

>

> Please ask any day dreamer! They never come out of the daydream by

> their volition! Something happens that gets their attention and

> brings it to the here and now physical reality!

>

> Lucid dreaming -- now that is where we are talking about personal

and

> volitional control :-)

>

> RR

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > First of all, i am sorry if you get hurt by my statement. I am

very

> > much a human being. Shankar already preached that the creation

can

> > be understood in comparison with a day dreamer. The ignorance of

> > daydreamer is in full control of the dreamer. He can come out of

> the

> > ignorance at any moment as per his wish.

> >

> > The creation is considered as an imagination of Lord. Even any

> human

> > being can also imagine or day dream. From this practical

experience

> > we can understand that we are not expanding irrespective of

> anything

> > happened to the contents of the dream. I mean, the dreamer is

not

> > going to be afftected by any changes in the dream.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> >

> >

> > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Surya!

> > > Absolutely wrong, you say? Or is it the Creator speaking

through

> > you?

> > > If the words are from your brain, how can you be so sure? Are

you

> > not human? :-)

> > > RR

> > >

> > "surya" <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up

just

> > as

> > > > its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their

> children!

> > > Well

> > > > some  do, anyway ... ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand

as a

> > > > perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of

worldly

> > > father-son cannot be valid in front of Him.

> > > >

> > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > surya

> > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"sushreesp" <sushreesp> wrote:

> According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him.{mind bugging!"

>Lord only knows himself"...if it is so,then no one/nothing except

>God can say about God. how can then VEDA know/say about God? then

>any picturisation of God by VEDA can't necessarily be taken

>correct!!!}

 

Q) "Brahma Vit Brahma" means that He who knows Brahman becomes

Brahman. But you say that the meaning of this is that Brahman alone

knows Brahman. How is it?

 

A) People have given your interpretation, which I know very well.

But I give this interpretation because Gita says `Mamtu Veda

Nakaschana' which means that nobody knows Brahman. Your meaning will

contradict Gita. If you say that if one knows Brahman, He becomes

Brahman, then there are two stages. In the first stage a person

knows Brahman. In the second stage the person becomes Brahman. But

Gita contradicts the first stage because no person can exist as a

person while knowing the Brahman. Moreover Veda says that Brahman is

beyond words, mind, intelligence and logic. Veda also says that if

one knows that he cannot know Brahman, he knows at least some thing

about Brahman (Yasyamatam Tasya matam). Therefore My interpretation

is in line with Gita and also with the other Vedic Mantras.

--------

Veda was preached directly by Lord to the sages at the beginning of

the creation. Swami says this veda can be made as primary standard

for the entire spiritual knowledge.

 

Swami's message:

The reason for selecting Veda as the primary standard is that even

today the Veda is being preserved by oral recitation with the help

of thousands of families. If you go to older and older times

millions of families were reciting Veda just to preserve it from any

type of intrusions or deletions. In Indian spiritual field there are

several branches of philosophy who fight with each other orally. For

all these branches, Veda is the standard text. Such situation never

existed in any religion in this world and does not exist even today.

Even today different schools of philosophy in Hinduism fight with

each other and all of them quote the same Veda. Such competition was

and is unique in Hinduism. In such competitive atmosphere pollution

of Veda is impossible. If any word is added or deleted, immediately

the other schools will shout because they fear that in such case

Veda may support a particular branch of philosophy due to the

possibility of a new interpretation for a new sentence. Leave the

past.

 

Tell Me frankly whether such situation exists in any religion in

this world even today. This is the main reason why I have selected

Veda as the primary standard. The diversity in Hinduism has done lot

of good in this direction. The sanctity of the scripture is well

protected. In the olden days the books were in the form of written

scripts of palm leaves. Printing was not there. Therefore, a very

few scripts were only present. In such case it was very easy to

introduce a new palm leaf or to remove an older palm leaf because

hardly one or two scripts were present in a very large region.

Except this one reason there is no any other reason for Me to favour

Veda but you need not worry that the scriptures of other religions

have to be judged with reference to Veda only. Fortunately, all the

scriptures of all the religions agree with Veda. The primary

standard is useful in very few places where there is disagreement.

Even that disagreement arises only from the misinterpretation of the

statement. If the correct interpretation is given all the statements

are perfectly coinciding with Veda. Moreover, one can decide the

final version of any concept based on the logical analysis. If the

logical analysis fails, then mere Veda need not be taken as

authority. If the logic disagrees you can reject any scripture

including Veda. Therefore, Veda along with the logical analysis only

stands as a primary standard. When you are convinced logically about

a concept and when such concept is found in Veda, then only the

concept is authorised. Therefore, I am not rubbing Veda on any head

without the logical analysis. Therefore, one need not doubt about

the fanatic. The primary standard means the original word of God

heard directly. But when other scriptures are perfectly in agreement

with such word where is the question of fanatic? Every scripture

becomes the word of God. This point supports the Universal Religion,

which says that the single God delivered the scriptures of all the

religions. When the author is one and the same how can there be

difference between the scriptures? If there is any difference it is

only by your misinterpretation. Therefore, primary standard is only

for convenience but not for fanatic.

 

> He only can preach the divine knowledge. {if it is so,then let Him

> preach.why then are we arguing/discussing about Him? seems

> meaningless!if only He can preach divine knowledge then contents  ?

>in VEDA about divine knowledge can't necessarily be true.imperative

>to mention here,is,VEDA is all about preaches of mahatma vedavyas

>only as analysed/understood by his mind's eye & can't necessarily

>taken as Preaches of God,Almighty.}

 

Veda were preached by Lord and maintained it by recitation by sages.

Lord comes in human form to propagate the divine knowledge and to

uplift the people. Lord Krishna preached Gita. Lord Jesus propagated

the divine knowledge only. Mohd. Prophet also preached divine

knowledge. Adi Sankara also preached the divine knowledge by walking

all over India 3 times.

 

Lord Krishna could only preach Gita. That time also many saints were

there. Like that Lord Jesus could only tell Bible. There were many

human beings and priests of churches during that time. But, the

preaching of Jesus are only prevailing now. The word of Lord alone

can induce bliss in you & generate love towards Him. It does mean

that Lord can only tell about Himself i.e., He only Knows about

Himself. This is actually the identification of Lord.

 

Remaining part you see in another reply.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"sushreesp" <sushreesp> wrote:

 

In the extreme case of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle

otherwise, He follows the rules of His own administration. it does not

mean that He is also dictated by His administration.

 

>{yeah! can it be feasible, 1+1 equals & also not equals to 2 ?-     

> any instance that He also dictates & breaks law?------when He is

>not dictated by His Principle,means He goes unruly/wrong.then He

>also suffers.so He is also Imperfect.}He is completely independent

>unlike us. {when we don't listen to His rule,literally we also

>dictate His rule so wesuffer.}-------------------------THANKS!

 

prime minister or president of a country will always use his power

indiscriminately even for small activities? Does it require to live

like that? For ex: Does he require to his power in vegetable market to

buy daily vegetables also? Lord Krishna made an artificial Sunset by

His Sudarshana Chakra to save the life of Arjuna, who is a very great

devotee. When time demands i.e., if the case is impossible by normal

means, then He uses His super power. Normal people/dmons want powers.

They use indiscriminately to derive enjoyment from that. But Lord, who

is the owner of that power will not use for enjoyment.

 

God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is

just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is

said to truly exist. The world, which is just His imagination and

which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of

energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to

God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under

the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination

creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world in

Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can

transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in

His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be

explained only by this concept.

 

God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles

only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then the

world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever

He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most powerful,

God controls the entire world like a very strong person controlling

very weak person. Thus the word truth indicates the omnipotent nature

of God. When we say that this world is not true, it indicates the

negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant is on your shirt,

will you say that yourself and the ant are present in the house? The

ant is negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a person who

knows this concept surrenders to God and accepts Him as the saviour.

In his eyes the entire world looks like an ant before God. You are a

tiny particle in this ant-world. You can understand your position by

putting a relative scale.

 

Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of

that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of

this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a

drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You

must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the

intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we immediately

imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited boundaries. The

space is largest but as no power as it is treated has nothing. The

atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power. Therefore, our idea

about God should not be in terms of the three-dimensional space. When

a person imagines a large city, the city is very huge but the person

is very small. But that small person has created, maintains and

finally dissolves this huge city. He can do anything in this huge

city. Infact He is standing outside this huge city. When He wants to

enter into this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form and

He identifies Himself with that form. That small form represents the

outside person. This imagined form, which is identified by the outside

person, is treated as the outside person directly. This imagined small

form is the human incarnation. The outside person is God. The

imaginary huge city is this world.

 

Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this

angle the human incarnation and the God are one and the same.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"Prafulla Gang" <ripra_solutions> wrote:

> Surya ji

>

> It is important for our meaningful existence, to be a good human

>being and fulfill our worldly obligations and then Even if, one

does >not believe in god / superpower, his soul will be directed

towards >its meaningful journey. Most critically, once we start

questioning >our own faith and compromise with basic values, then

there is no >escape, even if we worship for long hours.

>

 

Pravrutti: (Path of justice)

In this people desire the welfare of their body and family. They

love their bodies and their families only. Their real love is not on

the God but only on their body and family. When that welfare is

disturbed and when it is not possible to rectify it by worldly

means, then only they look at God. When you get fever and it is not

subsided by the medicines you used, then you are approaching a

doctor. Thus God is only an instrument to achieve the welfare of

their body and family. They pretend real love on God, which is not

real. When you go to the doctor you respect him too much. That

respect is not real. That respect is only apparent and the aim of

that respect is only that he will cure carefully your disease. These

people do not bother about tomorrow. They don't bother about the

hell after death and about the next birth. Their aim is only the

temporary happiness confined to this birth only. They worship God

for this purpose, which is not true love at all. God also acts

accordingly. He postpones all your bad results to the next births

like pro-notes with increased interest. He brings the good results

from future births with reduced values like the pre-matured

deposits. The Lord will not save these people in the hell. They will

go to the heaven and when the results of their good deeds are

finished, they are thrown back to the earth. In the future births,

which are full of difficulties only, these people weep scolding the

Lord. But the Lord keeps silent, because He acted according to their

prayers only in the previous birth. In this field one can worship

the Lord with single face, who is Vishnu, the embodiment of Sattvam

quality. With this quality God will help you when you worship. But

this quality always requires justice and logic. Therefore, within

the rules of the cycle of justice God helps you. He will never harm

you for your worship. In this field God in human form is not

necessary. God will protect the justice by His power. In this field

the aim of the people is not God. Their aim is only protection of

justice and their families. Lord Krishna did not fight directly in

the war because in this field His power is sufficient to protect the

justice. Arjuna was charged with His power and Arjuna fought with

the enemies. In this field the devotees can worship formless God or

statues and can get apparent and temporary protection in this world.

 

Nivrutti: (path of liberation)

In this field people want God only. Their aim is the permanent

association with the God and not the temporary results in this

world. They never care for the worldly justice. They don't care for

their body or family bonds. Their concentration is always on God.

Here the justice is also crossed. Prahlada did not care for his

father's death. God came directly and fought with the enemy in his

case. Gopikas left every body and every thing for the sake of Lord

Krishna. He liberated them in this world itself. God in human form

was required by Gopikas and not by Arjuna. Gopikas wanted to see,

touch, talk and live with the God. The Lord came in the human form

as Krishna for the sake of Gopikas only. Arjuna wanted only the

power of God to protect justice by getting back the kingdom.

Therefore, Arjuna worshipped statues like Siva Lingam and energetic

body like Siva. Lord Krishna was an instrument for Arjuna in

achieving his kingdom. The aim of Arjuna was kingdom and not

Krishna. But in the case of Gopikas the aim was Krishna and not

anything else or anybody else. They crossed even the traditional

justice and ran to Brindavanam to dance with Krishna. They were

unable to live for even one minute without Krishna. In this field of

Nivrutti the Lord comes down in human form and donates Himself to

the devotees. Such human form is called as Datta. In this field the

Lord has all the three aspects of Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. He shows

Sattvam of Vishnu, Rajas of Brahma and Tamas of Rudra. In this field

He gives troubles when you worship Him. Troubling a devotee

unnecessarily is Rajas and Tamas. In this field only the real love

on God is proved. When God troubles you after your worship and if

you are unable to leave Him still then that is real love. Thus

single face Datta (Vishnu) is for Pravrutti and three-faced Datta is

for Nivrutti.

 

God acts according to the field you choose. In Nivrutti only He

protects you from hell and takes you to His eternal abode. In this

field only He attracts the evil effects of His real devotees and

undergoes sufferings to save His devotees. Here the attitude of God

is not logic and justice but only pure love. But real devotees

oppose this. Therefore, He undergoes the bad results without their

knowledge. The God circulates the information regarding Pravrutti

and Nivrutti to everybody so that nobody can blame Him later on for

their ignorance. Except the motto of information He is not having an

intention to attract the people into Nivrutti. He is not benefited

in any way by doing so. All the benefit is only for the devotee. The

person following the Pravrutti always scolds the Nivrutti. The

reason is that he is unable to catch God directly in Nivrutti and

therefore, discourages that field with jealousy. When he is unable

to succeed in that field he does not want anybody to succeed in that

field. He wants to close that field and wants that his field only to

remain. Such psychological jealousy is not good because God will

punish him. Even though he is incapable he should appreciate others

and in such case God will help him to come to Nivrutti. In nutshell

God helps in Pravrutti with sympathy only and such help is only in

the apparent and temporary rearrangement of your good and bad

results. In Nivrutti the fruit is permanent and real and God really

loves the devotees.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

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[Guest guest]

you may be interested in browsing the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming

 

it is a very interesting phenomenon.

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Exactly...where does lucid dreaming end?

> Are lucid dreams just wishfyl thoughts of the conscious awareness?

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Are you aware of the phenomenon called "lucid dreaming?"

> >

> > Please ask any day dreamer! They never come out of the daydream

by

> > their volition! Something happens that gets their attention and

> > brings it to the here and now physical reality!

> >

> > Lucid dreaming -- now that is where we are talking about personal

> and

> > volitional control :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > First of all, i am sorry if you get hurt by my statement. I am

> very

> > > much a human being. Shankar already preached that the creation

> can

> > > be understood in comparison with a day dreamer. The ignorance

of

> > > daydreamer is in full control of the dreamer. He can come out

of

> > the

> > > ignorance at any moment as per his wish.

> > >

> > > The creation is considered as an imagination of Lord. Even any

> > human

> > > being can also imagine or day dream. From this practical

> experience

> > > we can understand that we are not expanding irrespective of

> > anything

> > > happened to the contents of the dream. I mean, the dreamer is

> not

> > > going to be afftected by any changes in the dream.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Surya!

> > > > Absolutely wrong, you say? Or is it the Creator speaking

> through

> > > you?

> > > > If the words are from your brain, how can you be so sure? Are

> you

> > > not human? :-)

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > "surya" <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up

> just

> > > as

> > > > > its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their

> > children!

> > > > Well

> > > > > some  do, anyway ... ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand

> as a

> > > > > perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of

> worldly

> > > > father-son cannot be valid in front of Him.

> > > > >

> > > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > > surya

> > > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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