Can effects of bad star position be removed?

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Do stars really affect us i.e. normal human beings? Can the effects

of bad star position in a horoscope be removed?

 

The stars or planets are the executives of the cycle of Samskaras,

karmas and their corresponding fruits which are totally called as

cycle of deeds (karma charka). They are the executives of the

judgments given by the judge (Dharma deva), who follows the

constitution written by God. God never interferes with the executive

function of His own commandments as said in the Gita (Nadatte

kasyachit paapam). Shastras say that one has to undergo the results

of his deeds even after millions of Yugas (Kalpa koti satairapi).

This does not mean that the postponement of simple principle takes

place. The interest is accumulated by way of compounding. Therefore

scholars like to enjoy the results as early as possible. They never

pray God to cancel the judgment which is impossible. By prayers or

certain rituals or by exhaustive crying before God, only

postponement of the enjoyment of the results along with the interest

takes place. Ignorant people misunderstand this postponement as

canceling. Therefore this fundamental aspect must be realized. When

the priests do certain rituals by taking some dakshina from you,

they are purchasing your punishment through your money. Therefore a

real Vedic scholar will never do the business of a priest because he

knows the whole concept. No real Vedic scholar accepts the dakshina

and even food from anybody which are called as aparigraha and

vaishwadeva respectively. Sai Baba said that the breads offered by

the house holders were their's sins only. Eating that bread is only

enjoying the sin of others. Thus you find in our ancient tradition

when somebody offers meals in a function to others, others also

offer the same in their functions. The priest is earning his

livelihood by this way but is becoming more and more affected. The

priests are thinking that they are cheating the public but they are

cheating themselves by this way. It is better to do hard work and

earn the livelihood than such business of transfer of sin for money.

But if the whole ritual is transformed into a divine worship of God,

the story is totally different. The grace of God comes there and the

God may be pleased to reduce or remove the sin by enjoying it

Himself through a human form. Here also the justice is not violated.

The father pays the fine for his son. This is the only way of

removing the sin. Either it should be postponed with interest or it

should be sold to a priest or it should be enjoyed by God Himself.

In anyway the result of the deed has to be enjoyed and it can never

be cancelled without enjoyment. But if you conduct the ritual as a

divine worship of God and give dakshina to a deserving devotee, then

the story is different. Your sin is not enjoyed by the devotee. God

comes down in human form and enjoys your sin for the sake of that

devotee. Even in this case the results have to be enjoyed only.

Instead of selling your sin to a priest, it is better to sell your

sin to a devotee. God has the tolerance to enjoy the sin of His

devotee or the sin transferred to His devotee from you. But if you

do the ritual by worshipping God and offering dakshina to the

devotee, without the aim of removing your sins, the result is

tremendous. It is a real sacrifice without any aim of business. God

will undergo all your sins without any account since your sacrifice

is also without any account. Therefore you must remove this

poisonous idea of removing your sins through rituals by offering

dakshina to the priests or devotees. You must be prepared to undergo

the results of your sins and do the rituals with the same sacrifice

without aspiring any fruit. Then you will be blessed by God.

 

You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only your

real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of

problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a

favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will

make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the spiritual

line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the

guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence of

problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will

come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is

obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through several

lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us and

the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to grow

in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will not

bring realization. From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of

punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The

realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual

progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and

invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of

good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value

like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full of

misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery from

birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for happiness

and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good deeds

drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life

with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with

alternating sweet and hot dishes.

 

A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating

way for full entertainment. The happiness derived from such

entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means

happiness. The letter `A' before Nanda means continuity

(Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always

temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is

continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot

dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to

perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance

you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around you.

This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the guiding

force. The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness which

are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the

special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered the

Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and

poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge,

devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a

realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual guru.

If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for entertainment.

If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness and

misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes. Then

why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life for

entertainment? The entire creation created by God for entertainment

is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death,

happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both is

called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

!

[Guest guest]

Dear Surya,

 

What you wrote is very interesting and indeed some of the things do

make sense.

 

However, the questions arises. In such a spiritually balanced

framework of acceptance of life as is, what role do you see for

jyotish in the common person's life, a person who has not yet

accepted but desires to accept boons and miseries as gifts from

divinity.

 

Please share your thoughts.

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> Do stars really affect us i.e. normal human beings? Can the effects

> of bad star position in a horoscope be removed?

>

> The stars or planets are the executives of the cycle of Samskaras,

> karmas and their corresponding fruits which are totally called as

> cycle of deeds (karma charka). They are the executives of the

> judgments given by the judge (Dharma deva), who follows the

> constitution written by God. God never interferes with the

executive

> function of His own commandments as said in the Gita (Nadatte

> kasyachit paapam). Shastras say that one has to undergo the results

> of his deeds even after millions of Yugas (Kalpa koti satairapi).

> This does not mean that the postponement of simple principle takes

> place. The interest is accumulated by way of compounding. Therefore

> scholars like to enjoy the results as early as possible. They never

> pray God to cancel the judgment which is impossible. By prayers or

> certain rituals or by exhaustive crying before God, only

> postponement of the enjoyment of the results along with the

interest

> takes place. Ignorant people misunderstand this postponement as

> canceling. Therefore this fundamental aspect must be realized. When

> the priests do certain rituals by taking some dakshina from you,

> they are purchasing your punishment through your money. Therefore a

> real Vedic scholar will never do the business of a priest because

he

> knows the whole concept. No real Vedic scholar accepts the dakshina

> and even food from anybody which are called as aparigraha and

> vaishwadeva respectively. Sai Baba said that the breads offered by

> the house holders were their's sins only. Eating that bread is only

> enjoying the sin of others. Thus you find in our ancient tradition

> when somebody offers meals in a function to others, others also

> offer the same in their functions. The priest is earning his

> livelihood by this way but is becoming more and more affected. The

> priests are thinking that they are cheating the public but they are

> cheating themselves by this way. It is better to do hard work and

> earn the livelihood than such business of transfer of sin for

money.

> But if the whole ritual is transformed into a divine worship of

God,

> the story is totally different. The grace of God comes there and

the

> God may be pleased to reduce or remove the sin by enjoying it

> Himself through a human form. Here also the justice is not

violated.

> The father pays the fine for his son. This is the only way of

> removing the sin. Either it should be postponed with interest or it

> should be sold to a priest or it should be enjoyed by God Himself.

> In anyway the result of the deed has to be enjoyed and it can never

> be cancelled without enjoyment. But if you conduct the ritual as a

> divine worship of God and give dakshina to a deserving devotee,

then

> the story is different. Your sin is not enjoyed by the devotee. God

> comes down in human form and enjoys your sin for the sake of that

> devotee. Even in this case the results have to be enjoyed only.

> Instead of selling your sin to a priest, it is better to sell your

> sin to a devotee. God has the tolerance to enjoy the sin of His

> devotee or the sin transferred to His devotee from you. But if you

> do the ritual by worshipping God and offering dakshina to the

> devotee, without the aim of removing your sins, the result is

> tremendous. It is a real sacrifice without any aim of business. God

> will undergo all your sins without any account since your sacrifice

> is also without any account. Therefore you must remove this

> poisonous idea of removing your sins through rituals by offering

> dakshina to the priests or devotees. You must be prepared to

undergo

> the results of your sins and do the rituals with the same sacrifice

> without aspiring any fruit. Then you will be blessed by God.

>

> You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only

your

> real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of

> problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a

> favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will

> make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the spiritual

> line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the

> guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence of

> problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will

> come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is

> obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through

several

> lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us and

> the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to grow

> in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will not

> bring realization. From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of

> punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The

> realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual

> progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and

> invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of

> good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value

> like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full

of

> misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery from

> birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for happiness

> and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good deeds

> drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life

> with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with

> alternating sweet and hot dishes.

>

> A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating

> way for full entertainment. The happiness derived from such

> entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means

> happiness. The letter `A' before Nanda means continuity

> (Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always

> temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is

> continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot

> dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to

> perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance

> you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around

you.

> This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the

guiding

> force. The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness which

> are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the

> special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered

the

> Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and

> poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge,

> devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a

> realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual guru.

> If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for entertainment.

> If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness

and

> misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes.

Then

> why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life for

> entertainment? The entire creation created by God for entertainment

> is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death,

> happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both

is

> called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

!

[Guest guest]

Very interesting and thought provoking. Yes, most saints say the same

thing - only detached karma can heal from the karmic phalas. But, a

human being must be guided for relevant karmic phal as well, and if he

can be guided (not destined), then jyotish has great role towards

humanity.

 

I presume, astrology was used to guide a human being for the ultimate

goal of soul. and with the time (in current yuga), it has become a

guide towards materialistic pursuits. perhaps, we all use it in our

weak moments to gain confidence and directions.

 

There are several stories in panchtantra indicating that, a selfless

detached karma can only seek the blessings from god, and in turn can

reduce the karmic balance of current life.

 

I had opportunity to spend some time with highly detached souls (who

could always tell the future and guide for the events as well - but

very seldom I observed them talking about this). Jainsism / buddhism

also advocates the same. and once I was told that - if a charity is to

be done..must always be done with sacrifice, not through reserves.

(for example - feeding dog must be done by skipping portion of our own

diet for the dog, not by making extra meal). So essence of any

remedial measure or good deed (like charity, pooja etc) must have

sacrifice, selflessness, detachment etc. But, if we want to do good

karmas for soul's final journey - are we not selfish?

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000> wrote:

>

> Do stars really affect us i.e. normal human beings? Can the effects

> of bad star position in a horoscope be removed?

>

> The stars or planets are the executives of the cycle of Samskaras,

> karmas and their corresponding fruits which are totally called as

> cycle of deeds (karma charka). They are the executives of the

> judgments given by the judge (Dharma deva), who follows the

> constitution written by God. God never interferes with the executive

> function of His own commandments as said in the Gita (Nadatte

> kasyachit paapam). Shastras say that one has to undergo the results

> of his deeds even after millions of Yugas (Kalpa koti satairapi).

> This does not mean that the postponement of simple principle takes

> place. The interest is accumulated by way of compounding. Therefore

> scholars like to enjoy the results as early as possible. They never

> pray God to cancel the judgment which is impossible. By prayers or

> certain rituals or by exhaustive crying before God, only

> postponement of the enjoyment of the results along with the interest

> takes place. Ignorant people misunderstand this postponement as

> canceling. Therefore this fundamental aspect must be realized. When

> the priests do certain rituals by taking some dakshina from you,

> they are purchasing your punishment through your money. Therefore a

> real Vedic scholar will never do the business of a priest because he

> knows the whole concept. No real Vedic scholar accepts the dakshina

> and even food from anybody which are called as aparigraha and

> vaishwadeva respectively. Sai Baba said that the breads offered by

> the house holders were their's sins only. Eating that bread is only

> enjoying the sin of others. Thus you find in our ancient tradition

> when somebody offers meals in a function to others, others also

> offer the same in their functions. The priest is earning his

> livelihood by this way but is becoming more and more affected. The

> priests are thinking that they are cheating the public but they are

> cheating themselves by this way. It is better to do hard work and

> earn the livelihood than such business of transfer of sin for money.

> But if the whole ritual is transformed into a divine worship of God,

> the story is totally different. The grace of God comes there and the

> God may be pleased to reduce or remove the sin by enjoying it

> Himself through a human form. Here also the justice is not violated.

> The father pays the fine for his son. This is the only way of

> removing the sin. Either it should be postponed with interest or it

> should be sold to a priest or it should be enjoyed by God Himself.

> In anyway the result of the deed has to be enjoyed and it can never

> be cancelled without enjoyment. But if you conduct the ritual as a

> divine worship of God and give dakshina to a deserving devotee, then

> the story is different. Your sin is not enjoyed by the devotee. God

> comes down in human form and enjoys your sin for the sake of that

> devotee. Even in this case the results have to be enjoyed only.

> Instead of selling your sin to a priest, it is better to sell your

> sin to a devotee. God has the tolerance to enjoy the sin of His

> devotee or the sin transferred to His devotee from you. But if you

> do the ritual by worshipping God and offering dakshina to the

> devotee, without the aim of removing your sins, the result is

> tremendous. It is a real sacrifice without any aim of business. God

> will undergo all your sins without any account since your sacrifice

> is also without any account. Therefore you must remove this

> poisonous idea of removing your sins through rituals by offering

> dakshina to the priests or devotees. You must be prepared to undergo

> the results of your sins and do the rituals with the same sacrifice

> without aspiring any fruit. Then you will be blessed by God.

>

> You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only your

> real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of

> problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a

> favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will

> make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the spiritual

> line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the

> guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence of

> problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will

> come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is

> obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through several

> lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us and

> the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to grow

> in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will not

> bring realization. From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of

> punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The

> realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual

> progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and

> invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of

> good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value

> like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full of

> misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery from

> birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for happiness

> and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good deeds

> drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life

> with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with

> alternating sweet and hot dishes.

>

> A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating

> way for full entertainment. The happiness derived from such

> entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means

> happiness. The letter `A' before Nanda means continuity

> (Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always

> temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is

> continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot

> dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to

> perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance

> you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around you.

> This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the guiding

> force. The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness which

> are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the

> special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered the

> Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and

> poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge,

> devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a

> realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual guru.

> If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for entertainment.

> If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness and

> misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes. Then

> why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life for

> entertainment? The entire creation created by God for entertainment

> is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death,

> happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both is

> called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Prafulla,

 

While the light ponders upon the question and delivers the answer --

we remain stuck in the status quo.

 

I have always felt that the best path while we wait for perfection to

arrive with its answer -- is to not wait for it -- but to keep going

towards it, keeping our ears, eyes, hearts and souls open!

 

Action anyday is superior to 'wondering' and "what if" and so on ...!

 

Even if we greedily and for selfish reasons, feed the beggar, or the

birds or the dogs or owls or rats or send a cheque to a charity or do

volunteer work with nothing but black greed for self-gain at the base

of it all -- some good is being done. The dogs, the rats, the

beggars, the ... whatever are ending up being fed or helped or served.

 

Purists may say that we as the instigators or the selfish karma have

achieved nothing through our acts!

 

I disagree!

 

The recipients of our charities and selfish love have benefitted! And

if that means nothing to whoever is judging us, dharma deva or

yamaraj or whatever name we give that energy -- we have made a

difference -- a real difference as opposed to BIG SWEET TALK!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, "Prafulla Gang"

<ripra_solutions> wrote:

>

> Very interesting and thought provoking. Yes, most saints say the

same

>  thing - only detached karma can heal from the karmic phalas. But, a

> human being must be guided for relevant karmic phal as well, and if

he

> can be guided (not destined), then jyotish has great role towards

> humanity.

>

> I presume, astrology was used to guide a human being for the

ultimate

> goal of soul. and with the time (in current yuga), it has become a

> guide towards materialistic pursuits. perhaps, we all use it in our

> weak moments to gain confidence and directions.

>

> There are several stories in panchtantra indicating that, a selfless

> detached karma can only seek the blessings from god, and in turn can

> reduce the karmic balance of current life.

>

> I had opportunity to spend some time with highly detached souls (who

> could always tell the future and guide for the events as well - but

> very seldom I observed them talking about this). Jainsism / buddhism

> also advocates the same. and once I was told that - if a charity is

to

> be done..must always be done with sacrifice, not through reserves.

> (for example - feeding dog must be done by skipping portion of our

own

> diet for the dog, not by making extra meal). So essence of any

> remedial measure or good deed (like charity, pooja etc) must have

> sacrifice, selflessness, detachment etc. But, if we want to do good

> karmas for soul's final journey - are we not selfish?

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

wrote:

> >

> > Do stars really affect us i.e. normal human beings? Can the

effects

> > of bad star position in a horoscope be removed?

> >

> > The stars or planets are the executives of the cycle of

Samskaras,

> > karmas and their corresponding fruits which are totally called as

> > cycle of deeds (karma charka). They are the executives of the

> > judgments given by the judge (Dharma deva), who follows the

> > constitution written by God. God never interferes with the

executive

> > function of His own commandments as said in the Gita (Nadatte

> > kasyachit paapam). Shastras say that one has to undergo the

results

> > of his deeds even after millions of Yugas (Kalpa koti satairapi).

> > This does not mean that the postponement of simple principle

takes

> > place. The interest is accumulated by way of compounding.

Therefore

> > scholars like to enjoy the results as early as possible. They

never

> > pray God to cancel the judgment which is impossible. By prayers

or

> > certain rituals or by exhaustive crying before God, only

> > postponement of the enjoyment of the results along with the

interest

> > takes place. Ignorant people misunderstand this postponement as

> > canceling. Therefore this fundamental aspect must be realized.

When

> > the priests do certain rituals by taking some dakshina from you,

> > they are purchasing your punishment through your money. Therefore

a

> > real Vedic scholar will never do the business of a priest because

he

> > knows the whole concept. No real Vedic scholar accepts the

dakshina

> > and even food from anybody which are called as aparigraha and

> > vaishwadeva respectively. Sai Baba said that the breads offered

by

> > the house holders were their's sins only. Eating that bread is

only

> > enjoying the sin of others. Thus you find in our ancient

tradition

> > when somebody offers meals in a function to others, others also

> > offer the same in their functions. The priest is earning his

> > livelihood by this way but is becoming more and more affected.

The

> > priests are thinking that they are cheating the public but they

are

> > cheating themselves by this way. It is better to do hard work and

> > earn the livelihood than such business of transfer of sin for

money.

> > But if the whole ritual is transformed into a divine worship of

God,

> > the story is totally different. The grace of God comes there and

the

> > God may be pleased to reduce or remove the sin by enjoying it

> > Himself through a human form. Here also the justice is not

violated.

> > The father pays the fine for his son. This is the only way of

> > removing the sin. Either it should be postponed with interest or

it

> > should be sold to a priest or it should be enjoyed by God

Himself.

> > In anyway the result of the deed has to be enjoyed and it can

never

> > be cancelled without enjoyment. But if you conduct the ritual as

a

> > divine worship of God and give dakshina to a deserving devotee,

then

> > the story is different. Your sin is not enjoyed by the devotee.

God

> > comes down in human form and enjoys your sin for the sake of that

> > devotee. Even in this case the results have to be enjoyed only.

> > Instead of selling your sin to a priest, it is better to sell

your

> > sin to a devotee. God has the tolerance to enjoy the sin of His

> > devotee or the sin transferred to His devotee from you. But if

you

> > do the ritual by worshipping God and offering dakshina to the

> > devotee, without the aim of removing your sins, the result is

> > tremendous. It is a real sacrifice without any aim of business.

God

> > will undergo all your sins without any account since your

sacrifice

> > is also without any account. Therefore you must remove this

> > poisonous idea of removing your sins through rituals by offering

> > dakshina to the priests or devotees. You must be prepared to

undergo

> > the results of your sins and do the rituals with the same

sacrifice

> > without aspiring any fruit. Then you will be blessed by God.

> >

> > You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only

your

> > real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of

> > problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a

> > favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will

> > make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the

spiritual

> > line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the

> > guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence

of

> > problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will

> > come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is

> > obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through

several

> > lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us

and

> > the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to

grow

> > in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will

not

> > bring realization. From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of

> > punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The

> > realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual

> > progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and

> > invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of

> > good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value

> > like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full

of

> > misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery

from

> > birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for

happiness

> > and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good

deeds

> > drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life

> > with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with

> > alternating sweet and hot dishes.

> >

> > A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating

> > way for full entertainment. The happiness derived from such

> > entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means

> > happiness. The letter `A' before Nanda means continuity

> > (Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always

> > temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is

> > continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot

> > dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to

> > perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance

> > you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around

you.

> > This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the

guiding

> > force. The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness

which

> > are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the

> > special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered

the

> > Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and

> > poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge,

> > devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a

> > realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual

guru.

> > If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for

entertainment.

> > If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness

and

> > misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes.

Then

> > why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life

for

> > entertainment? The entire creation created by God for

entertainment

> > is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death,

> > happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both

is

> > called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan ji

 

very well put. Good karma is good karma; and is always better than

waiting for perfection (always a good starting point). Time capsule

will always make the good karma, at some stage, detached one, if at all.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>

> While the light ponders upon the question and delivers the answer --

> we remain stuck in the status quo.

>

> I have always felt that the best path while we wait for perfection to

> arrive with its answer -- is to not wait for it -- but to keep going

> towards it, keeping our ears, eyes, hearts and souls open!

>

> Action anyday is superior to 'wondering' and "what if" and so on ...!

>

> Even if we greedily and for selfish reasons, feed the beggar, or the

> birds or the dogs or owls or rats or send a cheque to a charity or do

> volunteer work with nothing but black greed for self-gain at the base

> of it all -- some good is being done. The dogs, the rats, the

> beggars, the ... whatever are ending up being fed or helped or served.

>

> Purists may say that we as the instigators or the selfish karma have

> achieved nothing through our acts!

>

> I disagree!

>

> The recipients of our charities and selfish love have benefitted! And

> if that means nothing to whoever is judging us, dharma deva or

> yamaraj or whatever name we give that energy -- we have made a

> difference -- a real difference as opposed to BIG SWEET TALK!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , "Prafulla Gang"

> <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Very interesting and thought provoking. Yes, most saints say the

> same

> >  thing - only detached karma can heal from the karmic phalas. But, a

> > human being must be guided for relevant karmic phal as well, and if

> he

> > can be guided (not destined), then jyotish has great role towards

> > humanity.

> >

> > I presume, astrology was used to guide a human being for the

> ultimate

> > goal of soul. and with the time (in current yuga), it has become a

> > guide towards materialistic pursuits. perhaps, we all use it in our

> > weak moments to gain confidence and directions.

> >

> > There are several stories in panchtantra indicating that, a selfless

> > detached karma can only seek the blessings from god, and in turn can

> > reduce the karmic balance of current life.

> >

> > I had opportunity to spend some time with highly detached souls (who

> > could always tell the future and guide for the events as well - but

> > very seldom I observed them talking about this). Jainsism / buddhism

> > also advocates the same. and once I was told that - if a charity is

> to

> > be done..must always be done with sacrifice, not through reserves.

> > (for example - feeding dog must be done by skipping portion of our

> own

> > diet for the dog, not by making extra meal). So essence of any

> > remedial measure or good deed (like charity, pooja etc) must have

> > sacrifice, selflessness, detachment etc. But, if we want to do good

> > karmas for soul's final journey - are we not selfish?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Do stars really affect us i.e. normal human beings? Can the

> effects

> > > of bad star position in a horoscope be removed?

> > >

> > > The stars or planets are the executives of the cycle of

> Samskaras,

> > > karmas and their corresponding fruits which are totally called as

> > > cycle of deeds (karma charka). They are the executives of the

> > > judgments given by the judge (Dharma deva), who follows the

> > > constitution written by God. God never interferes with the

> executive

> > > function of His own commandments as said in the Gita (Nadatte

> > > kasyachit paapam). Shastras say that one has to undergo the

> results

> > > of his deeds even after millions of Yugas (Kalpa koti satairapi).

> > > This does not mean that the postponement of simple principle

> takes

> > > place. The interest is accumulated by way of compounding.

> Therefore

> > > scholars like to enjoy the results as early as possible. They

> never

> > > pray God to cancel the judgment which is impossible. By prayers

> or

> > > certain rituals or by exhaustive crying before God, only

> > > postponement of the enjoyment of the results along with the

> interest

> > > takes place. Ignorant people misunderstand this postponement as

> > > canceling. Therefore this fundamental aspect must be realized.

> When

> > > the priests do certain rituals by taking some dakshina from you,

> > > they are purchasing your punishment through your money. Therefore

> a

> > > real Vedic scholar will never do the business of a priest because

> he

> > > knows the whole concept. No real Vedic scholar accepts the

> dakshina

> > > and even food from anybody which are called as aparigraha and

> > > vaishwadeva respectively. Sai Baba said that the breads offered

> by

> > > the house holders were their's sins only. Eating that bread is

> only

> > > enjoying the sin of others. Thus you find in our ancient

> tradition

> > > when somebody offers meals in a function to others, others also

> > > offer the same in their functions. The priest is earning his

> > > livelihood by this way but is becoming more and more affected.

> The

> > > priests are thinking that they are cheating the public but they

> are

> > > cheating themselves by this way. It is better to do hard work and

> > > earn the livelihood than such business of transfer of sin for

> money.

> > > But if the whole ritual is transformed into a divine worship of

> God,

> > > the story is totally different. The grace of God comes there and

> the

> > > God may be pleased to reduce or remove the sin by enjoying it

> > > Himself through a human form. Here also the justice is not

> violated.

> > > The father pays the fine for his son. This is the only way of

> > > removing the sin. Either it should be postponed with interest or

> it

> > > should be sold to a priest or it should be enjoyed by God

> Himself.

> > > In anyway the result of the deed has to be enjoyed and it can

> never

> > > be cancelled without enjoyment. But if you conduct the ritual as

> a

> > > divine worship of God and give dakshina to a deserving devotee,

> then

> > > the story is different. Your sin is not enjoyed by the devotee.

> God

> > > comes down in human form and enjoys your sin for the sake of that

> > > devotee. Even in this case the results have to be enjoyed only.

> > > Instead of selling your sin to a priest, it is better to sell

> your

> > > sin to a devotee. God has the tolerance to enjoy the sin of His

> > > devotee or the sin transferred to His devotee from you. But if

> you

> > > do the ritual by worshipping God and offering dakshina to the

> > > devotee, without the aim of removing your sins, the result is

> > > tremendous. It is a real sacrifice without any aim of business.

> God

> > > will undergo all your sins without any account since your

> sacrifice

> > > is also without any account. Therefore you must remove this

> > > poisonous idea of removing your sins through rituals by offering

> > > dakshina to the priests or devotees. You must be prepared to

> undergo

> > > the results of your sins and do the rituals with the same

> sacrifice

> > > without aspiring any fruit. Then you will be blessed by God.

> > >

> > > You are trying to remove the problems but the problems are only

> your

> > > real friends in the spiritual line. The constant existence of

> > > problems will activate you and suppress your egoism creating a

> > > favorable atmosphere for the devotion to God. The happiness will

> > > make you proud and lazy and you will be deviated from the

> spiritual

> > > line. Therefore scholars like to enjoy the problems which are the

> > > guiding forces in the spiritual line. Kunti asked for existence

> of

> > > problems continuously as a boon from Krishna. The real tears will

> > > come in misery only while praying the God. This human life is

> > > obtained as rare chance after a long time of passing through

> several

> > > lives of animals. Thus the animal nature is concentrated in us

> and

> > > the constant presence of beating stick is necessary for us to

> grow

> > > in the right spiritual path. Mere knowledge through words will

> not

> > > bring realization. From this point also avoiding the enjoyment of

> > > punishments is also not correct for the spiritual progress. The

> > > realized soul invites difficulties for the sake of spiritual

> > > progress. An ignorant soul tries to avoid the difficulties and

> > > invites happiness by praying God. God brings back the results of

> > > good deeds arranged in the future life cycles with reduced value

> > > like a pre-matured deposit. By this the future cycle becomes full

> of

> > > misery only. Sometimes we find people who are hit with misery

> from

> > > birth to death. These were the people who pressed God for

> happiness

> > > and their happiness of previous births was the fruits of good

> deeds

> > > drawn from the present life cycle. God arranges every human life

> > > with alternating fruits of good and bad deeds like meals with

> > > alternating sweet and hot dishes.

> > >

> > > A liberated soul invites both happiness and misery in alternating

> > > way for full entertainment. The happiness derived from such

> > > entertainment is continuous and is called as Ananda. Nanda means

> > > happiness. The letter `A' before Nanda means continuity

> > > (Aasamantaat). The word Sukham denotes happiness which is always

> > > temporary. It disappears when misery appears. But Ananda is

> > > continuous happiness, if you can enjoy the misery also like a hot

> > > dish. A spiritual aspirant who aims at the grace of God wants to

> > > perform penance which is a rigorous Saadhana. While doing penance

> > > you create difficulties artificially by litting the fire around

> you.

> > > This means spiritual aspirant wants continuous misery as the

> guiding

> > > force. The happiness and richness induce egoism and inertness

> which

> > > are obstacles of spiritual Saadhana. You will wonder to hear the

> > > special worship performed by Me sometime back in which I uttered

> the

> > > Sankalpa which states that I should get severe difficulties and

> > > poverty so that Jnana, Bhakti and Vairagya (spiritual knowledge,

> > > devotion and detachment) will improve in Me. Thus if you are a

> > > realized soul, you will invite difficulties as your spiritual

> guru.

> > > If you are a liberated soul you will invite both for

> entertainment.

> > > If you go to a picture, you like to see scenes of both happiness

> and

> > > misery. When you take meals you like both sweet and hot dishes.

> Then

> > > why are you not inviting both misery and happiness in your life

> for

> > > entertainment? The entire creation created by God for

> entertainment

> > > is a mixture of day & night, summer & winter, birth & death,

> > > happiness & misery etc. The equality in the entertainment of both

> is

> > > called as Yoga according to the Gita (samatvam yoga uchyate).

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

> > What you wrote is very interesting and indeed some of the things

do  make sense.

>

> In such a spiritually balanced framework of acceptance of life as

is, what role do you see for jyotish in the common person's life, a

person who has not yet accepted but desires to accept boons and

miseries as gifts from divinity.

> Please share your thoughts.

> RR

 

a liberated soul does not think of jyotish and has no relevance in

his/her life. they accept the things as it is and will be happy in

both the cases. Gita says 'Avasyam anubhoktavyam' which means

whatever karma is done either good or bad has to be enjoyed sometime

as per the cycle of deeds (karma chakra). as long as one is in karma

chakra, he/she does some karmas and enjoy their fruits. this goes on

continuously.

 

But if in any birth, he/she identifies the Satguru (Lord in human

form) by the true divine preached by Him and serves Him here itself

without any expectation, one can enter Dharma chakra. This is called

Archiraadi Marga or Deva Yanam. In such case only one can come out

of this Karma Chakra.

 

a true divine knowledge preached by Satguru only helps you in true

realisation and this true knowledge is only to practiced to get the

results.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Q) Sacrificing the ambition on the fruit of the work is sufficient.

It is not necessary to sacrifice the fruit of the work as per Gita.

Is it not correct?

 

A) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya) Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level (Dhyanath Karma Phala Tyagah). According to

Veda sacrifice of fruit of work means sacrifice of money only

(Dhanena Tyagenaike). Karma Phalam means self-earned money with

which the man is more attached. Reason for the inability to do the

sacrifice of fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) is the selfish

ambition for the fruit of the work. Therefore if the selfish

ambition is removed, the fruit of the work can be easily sacrificed.

 

It is funny to enjoy the fruit of work and say that he has no

ambition for the fruit of the work. In such case you must also enjoy

the fruit of your sin in the hell i.e., cutting of your muscles by

knife etc., without any selfish ambition. Saktuprastha was tested in

the sacrifice of the fruit of the work, which alone can prove the

lack of selfish ambition for the fruit of the work. If one says that

he has sacrificed the ambition for the fruit of the work and yet,

enjoys the fruit of work is trying to fool the author of Gita. In

turn the Lord will fool him in the hell.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>> Prafulla,

> Action anyday is superior to 'wondering' and "what if" and so

on ...!

> Even if we greedily and for selfish reasons, feed the beggar, or

the  birds or the dogs or owls or rats or send a cheque to a charity

or do  volunteer work with nothing but black greed for self-gain at

the base  of it all -- some good is being done. The dogs, the rats,

the  beggars, the ... whatever are ending up being fed or helped or

served.

> The recipients of our charities and selfish love have benefitted!

And if that means nothing to whoever is judging us, dharma deva or

> yamaraj or whatever name we give that energy -- we have made a

> difference -- a real difference as opposed to BIG SWEET TALK!

>

> Rohiniranjan

 

 

Kindness to the deserving person is appreciated by God because it is

for the welfare of the society. Kindness to the undeserving person

harms the society and you are purchasing the sin. If you give milk

to the serpent it will bite you and others. By this the balance of

the society is lost and for this you are responsible and you will be

punished by God. Therefore the analysis and knowledge are necessary

in the charity as the primary step. The Veda says that one should

have analysis and discrimination of the receiver before doing the

charity (Samvida deyam). The hunger of a serpent should not be

sympathized because it will never change its nature. If you are

following the Pravrutti (dharma), the good qualities and devotion

should be seen in the receiver.

 

The devotion is more important than good qualities, but if the

devotion is selfless the good qualities naturally exist. The

devotion of a selfish devotee is not true love on God. Ravana was a

great devotee but his devotion is selfish and therefore such

devotion is not true. If you are serving the devotees in Pravrutti,

God will certainly come to you one day in the form of a devotee.

Without Pravrutti, Nivrutti is not possible. When God comes in human

form, certainly He will give you a hint of identification. If you

are having the spiritual knowledge, you will certainly catch Him. He

will neither cover Himself completely nor reveal Himself completely.

He will be like a tough problem with a hint.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Mr. Surya,

 

I don't wish to put one saint against another, but in my common man's

view Sri Yukteshwar ji (Guru of Yogananda, and disciple of Lahiri

Mahashay -- the self-realized householder) comes across as

sufficiently liberated (at least in comparison to many of the assorted

"mahatmas" floating around in the Internet pond!) and he recommended

not only astrology but also remedies, gemstones, amulets etc.

 

I realize what you are trying to say about the ideal state, but the

fact of the matter is that you are talking to ordinary common people

who want to live and experience life <normally> while desiring

spiritual elevation. Astrology was created for such common, ordinary,

householder types (most of us).

 

True spiritual elevation comes after much hard work and practice

through lifetimes. There is no scripture or pravachan that can

instantly elevate the carnate soul to merge with its divine self. The

fallen angel must first find its wings before it can fly back to the

Heaven!

 

RR

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000> wrote:

>

> a liberated soul does not think of jyotish and has no relevance in

> his/her life. they accept the things as it is and will be happy in

> both the cases. Gita says 'Avasyam anubhoktavyam' which means

> whatever karma is done either good or bad has to be enjoyed sometime

> as per the cycle of deeds (karma chakra). as long as one is in karma

> chakra, he/she does some karmas and enjoy their fruits. this goes on

> continuously.

>

> But if in any birth, he/she identifies the Satguru (Lord in human

> form) by the true divine preached by Him and serves Him here itself

> without any expectation, one can enter Dharma chakra. This is called

> Archiraadi Marga or Deva Yanam. In such case only one can come out

> of this Karma Chakra.

>

> a true divine knowledge preached by Satguru only helps you in true

> realisation and this true knowledge is only to practiced to get the

> results.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Surya,

 

Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human beings. Does

He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does not

know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

 

If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must exercise

their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there is

something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

 

Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

>  "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> >> Prafulla,

> > Action anyday is superior to 'wondering' and "what if" and so

> on ...!

> > Even if we greedily and for selfish reasons, feed the beggar, or

> the  birds or the dogs or owls or rats or send a cheque to a

charity

> or do  volunteer work with nothing but black greed for self-gain at

> the base  of it all -- some good is being done. The dogs, the rats,

> the  beggars, the ... whatever are ending up being fed or helped or

> served.

> 

> > The recipients of our charities and selfish love have benefitted!

> And if that means nothing to whoever is judging us, dharma deva or

> > yamaraj or whatever name we give that energy -- we have made a

> > difference -- a real difference as opposed to BIG SWEET TALK!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

>

>

> Kindness to the deserving person is appreciated by God because it

is

> for the welfare of the society. Kindness to the undeserving person

> harms the society and you are purchasing the sin. If you give milk

> to the serpent it will bite you and others. By this the balance of

> the society is lost and for this you are responsible and you will

be

> punished by God. Therefore the analysis and knowledge are necessary

> in the charity as the primary step. The Veda says that one should

> have analysis and discrimination of the receiver before doing the

> charity (Samvida deyam). The hunger of a serpent should not be

> sympathized because it will never change its nature. If you are

> following the Pravrutti (dharma), the good qualities and devotion

> should be seen in the receiver.

>

> The devotion is more important than good qualities, but if the

> devotion is selfless the good qualities naturally exist. The

> devotion of a selfish devotee is not true love on God. Ravana was a

> great devotee but his devotion is selfish and therefore such

> devotion is not true. If you are serving the devotees in Pravrutti,

> God will certainly come to you one day in the form of a devotee.

> Without Pravrutti, Nivrutti is not possible. When God comes in

human

> form, certainly He will give you a hint of identification. If you

> are having the spiritual knowledge, you will certainly catch Him.

He

> will neither cover Himself completely nor reveal Himself

completely.

> He will be like a tough problem with a hint.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

> Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human beings.

Does  He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does

not  know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

> If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must

exercise their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there

is something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

> Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

>

> RR

 

Lord knows any devotees level without any test. there are multiple

aspects of that test.

 

1) sometimes He may want to reveal the greatness of the devotee to

the world. it will be beneficial for others interested in the real

spiritual line.

 

2) sometimes devotees think of very high about themselves. intially

He preaches to show us our level. But if the devotee does not

listen, then He will put a test which is a practical. At that

instance the devotee will come to know his level and accept. This

will help them to know that they have not reached the goal and still

have to continue the Saadhana.

 

Human beings have great jealousy in not accepting the greatness of

Lord and His omnipotent nature and always doubt His power, but still

worship Him for boons. A real devotee will always find fault with

himself/herself only but not with the Lord which is true.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is very

much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

unnecessarily get compelled to

answer if any of His fellow questions His Being/Integrity.

 

He is Omniscent .

 

Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to which He

made himself also fettered.

"no one/nothing is beyond principle"

   

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Surya,

>

> Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human beings.

Does

> He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does not

> know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

>

> If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must exercise

> their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there is

> something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

>

> Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

>

> RR

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just as its

creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children! Well some

do, anyway ... ;-)

 

RR

 

, "sushreesp" <sushreesp>

wrote:

>

> A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is very

> much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> unnecessarily get compelled to

> answer if any of His fellow questions His Being/Integrity.

>

> He is Omniscent .

>

> Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to which

He

> made himself also fettered.

> "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

>    

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Surya,

> >

> > Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human beings.

> Does

> > He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does

not

> > know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

> >

> > If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must

exercise

> > their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there is

> > something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

> >

> > Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just as

its

> creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children! Well

some

> do, anyway ... ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "sushreesp" <sushreesp@>

> wrote:

> >

> > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is

very

> > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > unnecessarily get compelled to

> > answer if any of His fellow questions His Being/Integrity.

> >

> > He is Omniscent .

> >

> > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to

which

> He

> > made himself also fettered.

> > "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

> >    

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Surya,

> > >

> > > Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human

beings.

> > Does

> > > He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does

> not

> > > know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

> > >

> > > If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must

> exercise

> > > their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there is

> > > something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

> > >

> > > Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

-----parents grow up by the right parenting principle with & by

their children------plz help me how such discussion came up about

God.i am a new member to this group.

regards,

ssp

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just as

its

> creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children! Well

some

> do, anyway ... ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , "sushreesp" <sushreesp@>

> wrote:

> >

> > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is

very

> > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > unnecessarily get compelled to

> > answer if any of His fellow questions His Being/Integrity.

> >

> > He is Omniscent .

> >

> > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to

which

> He

> > made himself also fettered.

> > "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

> >    

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Surya,

> > >

> > > Why does the all knowing God have to come and test human

beings.

> > Does

> > > He not know how humans will perform? If the answer is: He does

> not

> > > know! Then such a God cannot be perfect, omniscient!

> > >

> > > If the answer is: Because Humans are unpredictable and must

> exercise

> > > their free-will and so have a choice -- then again, there is

> > > something that is beyond God's capability to control and know!

> > >

> > > Either way, the answer is one and rather clear!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

"sushreesp" <sushreesp> wrote:

>

> A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is very

> much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His fellow

questions His Being/Integrity.

> He is Omniscent .

>

> Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to which

He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

 

 

your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is true, Lord

is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of doubt in

that.

 

According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only can preach

the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to clarify, but

the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

 

Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture without

hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

 

the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by normal

principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator of the

universe will follow the rules of His own administration. (No

sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the extreme case

of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle otherwise, He

follows the rules of His own administration. it does not mean that

He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

independent unlike us.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just as

its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children! Well

some  do, anyway ... ;-)

>

> RR

 

 

Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand as a

perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of worldly father-

son cannot be valid in front of Him.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

"sushreesp" <sushreesp> wrote:

>

> -----parents grow up by the right parenting principle with & by

> their children------plz help me how such discussion came up about

> God.i am a new member to this group.

> regards,

> ssp

 

 

you please refer the original message of this thread.

 

message no. is 28187.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear surya and OTHERS,

 

Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who carried

each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD FATHER?? After

all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some major societies

that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as you know it -- the

one that is connecting us to this gospel and many like it!)?

 

Surya, I think the way you and many other devotees are creating this

bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal and to be challenged!

Why must we just assume and accept what you want the world to believe

in based on vedas or whatever (used to be Bible in other parts and

times, and other scriptures have also tried their thing and still

are! And new scriptures emerging all the time!!)? These are all human

creations, at least as far as the hard copy versions that all the

modern pravachans are copied and pasted from? NOTHING original!! And

all we have to do is to challenge them and their anima/animus comes

boiling forth! Look at the past archives here or elsewhere!

 

I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created in MAN's image

(Sisters -- please note that when the oh so sacred, so secret>

religious books were created, you already had been beaten and

relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not through holy books but

through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one and all of your

forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the forms of newer

religions which finally have become wise enough to see you for what

you always were and meant to be!

 

Being the heretic, none of those, new and old do I believe in -- for

I can only believe in that which is common and ordinary and mundane,

householder life, the REAL thing for most of us, one or two mahatmas

and brahmacharis barred of course, the real daily commute that gives

me internet and not ashrams, from which some of the lofty and unreal

mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

 

Here is the question that perplexes me!

 

HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET INTERNET

CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual

ascendancy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> >

> > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is revolutionising.

> > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is

very

> > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His fellow

> questions His Being/Integrity.

> > He is Omniscent .

> >

> > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to

which

> He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond principle"

>

>

> your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is true,

Lord

> is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of doubt in

> that.

>

> According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only can

preach

> the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

> definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to clarify, but

> the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

>

> Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture

without

> hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

>

> the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by normal

> principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator of the

> universe will follow the rules of His own administration. (No

> sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the extreme

case

> of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle otherwise, He

> follows the rules of His own administration. it does not mean that

> He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

> independent unlike us.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Surya!

 

Absolutely wrong, you say?

Or is it the Creator speaking through you?

 

If the words are from your brain, how can you be so sure? Are you not

human? :-)

 

RR

 

, "surya" <dattapr2000>

wrote:

>

> "crystal pages" <rrgb@> wrote:

> >

> > Actually, I love that thought! The Creator is growing up just as

> its  creation is. Just like parents grow up with their children!

Well

> some  do, anyway ... ;-)

> >

> > RR

>

>

> Absolutely wrong. Any simile in the universe can not stand as a

> perfect example for God. so your simile of growing of worldly

father-

> son cannot be valid in front of Him.

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality. But

is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and space

but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle but a

cycle still?

regards

 

rishi

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Dear surya and OTHERS,

>

> Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who

carried

> each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD FATHER??

After

> all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some major

societies

> that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as you know it --

the

> one that is connecting us to this gospel and many like it!)?

>

> Surya, I think the way you and many other devotees are creating

this

> bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal and to be

challenged!

> Why must we just assume and accept what you want the world to

believe

> in based on vedas or whatever (used to be Bible in other parts and

> times, and other scriptures have also tried their thing and still

> are! And new scriptures emerging all the time!!)? These are all

human

> creations, at least as far as the hard copy versions that all the

> modern pravachans are copied and pasted from? NOTHING original!!

And

> all we have to do is to challenge them and their anima/animus

comes

> boiling forth! Look at the past archives here or elsewhere!

>

> I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created in MAN's image

> (Sisters -- please note that when the oh so sacred, so secret>

> religious books were created, you already had been beaten and

> relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not through holy books

but

> through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one and all of your

> forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the forms of newer

> religions which finally have become wise enough to see you for

what

> you always were and meant to be!

>

> Being the heretic, none of those, new and old do I believe in --

for

> I can only believe in that which is common and ordinary and

mundane,

> householder life, the REAL thing for most of us, one or two

mahatmas

> and brahmacharis barred of course, the real daily commute that

gives

> me internet and not ashrams, from which some of the lofty and

unreal

> mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

>

> Here is the question that perplexes me!

>

> HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET INTERNET

> CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual

> ascendancy?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is

revolutionising.

> > > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is

> very

> > > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His fellow

> > questions His Being/Integrity.

> > > He is Omniscent .

> > >

> > > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to

> which

> > He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond

principle"

> >

> >

> > your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is true,

> Lord

> > is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of doubt

in

> > that.

> >

> > According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only can

> preach

> > the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

> > definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to clarify,

but

> > the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

> >

> > Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture

> without

> > hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

> >

> > the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by normal

> > principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator of

the

> > universe will follow the rules of His own administration. (No

> > sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the extreme

> case

> > of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle otherwise, He

> > follows the rules of His own administration. it does not mean

that

> > He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

> > independent unlike us.

> >

> > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > surya

> > www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

Yes it is -- as long as the circle of wisdom (religio-spiritual term)

does not become a circle of confusion (optical term)

 

What good is religion/spirituality if it does not enable us to 'see'

better than before?

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality. But

> is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and space

> but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle but

a

> cycle still?

> regards

>

> rishi

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear surya and OTHERS,

> >

> > Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who

> carried

> > each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD FATHER??

> After

> > all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some major

> societies

> > that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as you know it --

> the

> > one that is connecting us to this gospel and many like it!)?

> >

> > Surya, I think the way you and many other devotees are creating

> this

> > bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal and to be

> challenged!

> > Why must we just assume and accept what you want the world to

> believe

> > in based on vedas or whatever (used to be Bible in other parts

and

> > times, and other scriptures have also tried their thing and still

> > are! And new scriptures emerging all the time!!)? These are all

> human

> > creations, at least as far as the hard copy versions that all the

> > modern pravachans are copied and pasted from? NOTHING original!!

> And

> > all we have to do is to challenge them and their anima/animus

> comes

> > boiling forth! Look at the past archives here or elsewhere!

> >

> > I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created in MAN's image

> > (Sisters -- please note that when the oh so sacred, so secret>

> > religious books were created, you already had been beaten and

> > relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not through holy books

> but

> > through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one and all of your

> > forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the forms of newer

> > religions which finally have become wise enough to see you for

> what

> > you always were and meant to be!

> >

> > Being the heretic, none of those, new and old do I believe in --

> for

> > I can only believe in that which is common and ordinary and

> mundane,

> > householder life, the REAL thing for most of us, one or two

> mahatmas

> > and brahmacharis barred of course, the real daily commute that

> gives

> > me internet and not ashrams, from which some of the lofty and

> unreal

> > mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

> >

> > Here is the question that perplexes me!

> >

> > HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET INTERNET

> > CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and perpetual

> > ascendancy?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "surya" <dattapr2000@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > > > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is

> revolutionising.

> > > > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He is

> > very

> > > > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > > > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His fellow

> > > questions His Being/Integrity.

> > > > He is Omniscent .

> > > >

> > > > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System to

> > which

> > > He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond

> principle"

> > >

> > >

> > > your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is true,

> > Lord

> > > is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of

doubt

> in

> > > that.

> > >

> > > According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only can

> > preach

> > > the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

> > > definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to clarify,

> but

> > > the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

> > >

> > > Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture

> > without

> > > hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

> > >

> > > the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by normal

> > > principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator of

> the

> > > universe will follow the rules of His own administration. (No

> > > sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the extreme

> > case

> > > of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle otherwise,

He

> > > follows the rules of His own administration. it does not mean

> that

> > > He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

> > > independent unlike us.

> > >

> > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > surya

> > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

[Guest guest]

"See" what?

That what the eyes see?

That what the mind percieves?

Always the circle of confusion, indeed!!

In my opinion, maybe "see" the path on which I have to travel in

life full of multiple choices, not necessarily the path of

spirituality or religion alone, but the path on which I have to

respond in terms of material resources, work in terms of reducing my

limitations to reach certain undefined vague illusory objectives.

The path of this life when each individual is at times untruthful to

one's own self.

regards

rishi

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb>

wrote:

>

> Yes it is -- as long as the circle of wisdom (religio-spiritual

term)

> does not become a circle of confusion (optical term)

>

> What good is religion/spirituality if it does not enable us

to 'see'

> better than before?

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > The connections through the internet may be the "new" reality.

But

> > is not the creation and its discernible attributes, time and

space

> > but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a elliptical cycle

but

> a

> > cycle still?

> > regards

> >

> > rishi

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear surya and OTHERS,

> > >

> > > Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who

> > carried

> > > each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD FATHER??

> > After

> > > all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some major

> > societies

> > > that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as you know

it --

> > the

> > > one that is connecting us to this gospel and many like it!)?

> > >

> > > Surya, I think the way you and many other devotees are

creating

> > this

> > > bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal and to be

> > challenged!

> > > Why must we just assume and accept what you want the world to

> > believe

> > > in based on vedas or whatever (used to be Bible in other parts

> and

> > > times, and other scriptures have also tried their thing and

still

> > > are! And new scriptures emerging all the time!!)? These are

all

> > human

> > > creations, at least as far as the hard copy versions that all

the

> > > modern pravachans are copied and pasted from? NOTHING

original!!

> > And

> > > all we have to do is to challenge them and their anima/animus

> > comes

> > > boiling forth! Look at the past archives here or elsewhere!

> > >

> > > I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created in MAN's image

> > > (Sisters -- please note that when the oh so sacred, so secret>

> > > religious books were created, you already had been beaten and

> > > relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not through holy

books

> > but

> > > through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one and all of your

> > > forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the forms of newer

> > > religions which finally have become wise enough to see you for

> > what

> > > you always were and meant to be!

> > >

> > > Being the heretic, none of those, new and old do I believe in -

-

> > for

> > > I can only believe in that which is common and ordinary and

> > mundane,

> > > householder life, the REAL thing for most of us, one or two

> > mahatmas

> > > and brahmacharis barred of course, the real daily commute that

> > gives

> > > me internet and not ashrams, from which some of the lofty and

> > unreal

> > > mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

> > >

> > > Here is the question that perplexes me!

> > >

> > > HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE MAHATMAS GET

INTERNET

> > > CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent contemplation and

perpetual

> > > ascendancy?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "surya"

<dattapr2000@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it or not -

> > > > > God is also not absolutely perfect.everything is

> > revolutionising.

> > > > > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething unique of God is,He

is

> > > very

> > > > > much self-awared unlike His fellows & least interested to

> > > > > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if any of His

fellow

> > > > questions His Being/Integrity.

> > > > > He is Omniscent .

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made His Own System

to

> > > which

> > > > He made himself also fettered. "no one/nothing is beyond

> > principle"

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > your statements are contradicting each other. Onething is

true,

> > > Lord

> > > > is omniscient and omnipotent. there need not be an iota of

> doubt

> > in

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > > > According to the Veda, Lord only knows about Him. He only

can

> > > preach

> > > > the divine knowledge. when son asks any doubt, father will

> > > > definitely clarify. In the same way Lord is willing to

clarify,

> > but

> > > > the child should be ready to listen and follow also.

> > > >

> > > > Veda says that the Lord can run without feet and can capture

> > > without

> > > > hands (Apaani Pado Javano Grahita).

> > > >

> > > > the miracles performed by Lord can not be explained by

normal

> > > > principles of creation. but He Himself as the Administrator

of

> > the

> > > > universe will follow the rules of His own administration.

(No

> > > > sincere administrator will break his own rules.) In the

extreme

> > > case

> > > > of saving a real devotee, He may perform a miracle

otherwise,

> He

> > > > follows the rules of His own administration. it does not

mean

> > that

> > > > He is also dictated by His administration. He is completely

> > > > independent unlike us.

> > > >

> > > > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> > > > surya

> > > > www.universal-spirituality.org

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TIME  00/21 Hrs

PLACE BARMER (rajasthan)

WHEN MY RAHU DASA WAS THERE WITHOUT ANY EFFORTS I HAVE

EARN AND INVESTED,BUT AFTER GURU DASA IT WAS

ALLRIGHT,NOW ALSO RUNNING GURU MAHADASA.I WANT TO KNOW

IN FUTURE HOW GURU AND THEN SHANI DASA WILL BE RUN IN

MY LIFE,  HOW WILL BE MY LIFE????

WHETHER  GAJ KESARI YOG IS THERE????

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--- rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in > wrote:

 

> "See" what?

> That what the eyes see?

> That what the mind percieves?

> Always the circle of confusion, indeed!!

> In my opinion, maybe "see" the path on which I have

> to travel in

> life full of multiple choices, not necessarily the

> path of

> spirituality or religion alone, but the path on

> which I have to

> respond in terms of material resources, work in

> terms of reducing my

> limitations to reach certain undefined vague

> illusory objectives.

> The path of this life when each individual is at

> times untruthful to

> one's own self.

> regards

> rishi

>

>

> , "crystal

> pages" <rrgb>

> wrote:

> >

> > Yes it is -- as long as the circle of wisdom

> (religio-spiritual

> term)

> > does not become a circle of confusion (optical

> term)

> >

> > What good is religion/spirituality if it does not

> enable us

> to 'see'

> > better than before?

> >

> > ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The connections through the internet may be the

> "new" reality.

> But

> > > is not the creation and its discernible

> attributes, time and

> space

> > > but a cycle. Not necessarily, a circular or a

> elliptical cycle

> but

> > a

> > > cycle still?

> > > regards

> > >

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear surya and OTHERS,

> > > >

> > > > Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the

> LADY? The MA who

> > > carried

> > > > each of us for so many months as opposed to

> the LORD FATHER??

> > > After

> > > > all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month

> in some major

> > > societies

> > > > that created and still sustain

> Arpanet/Internet as you know

> it --

> > > the

> > > > one that is connecting us to this gospel and

> many like it!)?

> > > >

> > > > Surya, I think the way you and many other

> devotees are

> creating

> > > this

> > > > bloated IMAGE of this GOD, it is simply unreal

> and to be

> > > challenged!

> > > > Why must we just assume and accept what you

> want the world to

> > > believe

> > > > in based on vedas or whatever (used to be

> Bible in other parts

> > and

> > > > times, and other scriptures have also tried

> their thing and

> still

> > > > are! And new scriptures emerging all the

> time!!)? These are

> all

> > > human

> > > > creations, at least as far as the hard copy

> versions that all

> the

> > > > modern pravachans are copied and pasted from?

> NOTHING

> original!!

> > > And

> > > > all we have to do is to challenge them and

> their anima/animus

> > > comes

> > > > boiling forth! Look at the past archives here

> or elsewhere!

> > > >

> > > > I say -- GOD in whatever religion was created

> in MAN's image

> > > > (Sisters -- please note that when the oh so

> sacred, so secret>

> > > > religious books were created, you already had

> been beaten and

> > > > relegated to a backseat! But you prevail, not

> through holy

> books

> > > but

> > > > through your daily presence as MOTHERS, in one

> and all of your

> > > > forms!!). Other than Paganism and some of the

> forms of newer

> > > > religions which finally have become wise

> enough to see you for

> > > what

> > > > you always were and meant to be!

> > > >

> > > > Being the heretic, none of those, new and old

> do I believe in -

> -

> > > for

> > > > I can only believe in that which is common and

> ordinary and

> > > mundane,

> > > > householder life, the REAL thing for most of

> us, one or two

> > > mahatmas

> > > > and brahmacharis barred of course, the real

> daily commute that

> > > gives

> > > > me internet and not ashrams, from which some

> of the lofty and

> > > unreal

> > > > mahatmas seem to be speaking down to us from!

> > > >

> > > > Here is the question that perplexes me!

> > > >

> > > > HOW (and more importantly -- WHY?)DID THESE

> MAHATMAS GET

> INTERNET

> > > > CONNECTIONS IN THE ASHRAMS of silent

> contemplation and

> perpetual

> > > > ascendancy?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> "surya"

> <dattapr2000@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > "sushreesp" <sushreesp@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A piece of thought,if anybody believes it

> or not -

> > > > > > God is also not absolutely

> perfect.everything is

> > > revolutionising.

> > > > > > that's why,He is also dynamic.onething

> unique of God is,He

> is

> > > > very

> > > > > > much self-awared unlike His fellows &

> least interested to

> > > > > > unnecessarily get compelled to  answer if

> any of His

> fellow

> > > > > questions His Being/Integrity.

> > > > > > He is Omniscent .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nothing is beyond his control .He has made

> His Own System

> to

> > > > which

> > > > > He made himself also fettered. "no

> one/nothing is beyond

> > > principle"

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

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[Guest guest]

"crystal pages" <rrgb> wrote:

>

> Dear surya and OTHERS,

>

> Why must we approach this Lord (Why not the LADY? The MA who

carried  each of us for so many months as opposed to the LORD

FATHER?? After  all, it is still May, the Mother's Day Month in some

major societies  that created and still sustain Arpanet/Internet as

you know it -- the  one that is connecting us to this gospel and

many like it!)?

 

 

 

Q) When God enters one's life, the mother may loose Godship but not

the mothership. Then God will be God and mother will be mother. In

such case one's responsibility towards his mother cannot vanish. So,

mother cannot be left in taking `Sanyasa'. What do you say?

 

A) If your question is correct Sankara should not have left his

mother, especially when his mother was without any alternative

assistance. Therefore when God enters, the mother looses not only

her Godship but also her mothership. The God becomes mother for a

realized soul. The mother is only a co-actor in this life drama. As

soon as this drama dress (Gross body) is left the actors become

disconnected. They go to the producer of the drama for the

remuneration and for the appointment in the future drama. Similarly

when the souls leave their bodies in this world, they become

disconnected and go to the Lord to receive their remuneration which

is good and bad fruits. After that they will come to the next life

with different connections. Therefore for a realized scholar the

Lord becomes mother and father and wife and children. He is related

only to the Lord through all the bonds. The Lord brings the soul to

this world like a seed soaked in the field by the farmer. Thus the

Lord becomes the father. Gita says the same (Aham Bija Pradah Pita).

The Lord created the five elements and thus the Gross body of the

soul formed in the mother's womb is also by the power of the Lord.

Therefore, the Lord is the real mother. The child is delivered only

by the will and force of the Lord. Therefore God becomes the real

father and the real mother. For an ignorant person this mother is

both mother and God because he is under the illusion of this

dramatic `Maya'. He is forgetting that the soul of mother is acting

as mother as per the written rigid script of the drama called

as `Vidhi'. The actors should behave as per the script of the drama.

Therefore, the love of the mother is not real.

 

If it is real, when the soul leaves her body, she should not have

forgotten her son. But the Lord remembers all the previous births

because His love on you is real. Gita says the same (Tanyaham Veda

Sarvani Natvamvettha). This means that the Lord remembers all the

births of the soul. But the soul does not remember even a single

birth. This proves that the love of the soul is unreal since it is

dramatic. When Abhimanyu died and went to heaven, the Lord took

Arjuna to the heaven. Arjuna was the father of Abhimanyu. Abhimanyu

could not recognize his father. This proves that the feelings of

these dramatic bonds disappear as soon as the soul leaves the Gross

body, which is only the actor's dress. Such an ignorant person is a

type of the atheist who treats his mother as the God. In the second

stage one treats mother as mother and God as God. He is putting his

two legs in the two boats.

 

In the third step he treats God as mother. These three stages

constitute the entire spiritual journey or Sadhana. Unless these

bonds are broken the bond with God cannot be formed. Unless one is

releived from the old institution, he cannot join the new

institution. The bonds of this world are many like parents, wife,

children, money etc. But the bond with the Lord is only one as said

in Gita (Eka Bhaktih Visishyate). The breakage of the old bonds in

this world is called salvation (Moksha). The formation of the new

bond with the Lord is called as Union with God (Saayujya).

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

 

 

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