Amitabh's Jup antars - Savana Vs Vimshottari

May 20, 2006

Om Datta Guru

Dear Chandrashekharji

Pls find my reply below as SJ

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

incidents

> to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and Narada. So

> some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

grahas.

>

SJ:

1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we allot good

incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

(transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but movies like

Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

Remarks:

Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

SAVANA SYSTEM

According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

Feb 1990 – is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

<http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

Jup antar)

http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

<http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA –

any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a Legend and

the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

hits (writing for memory)

Vim Dasa of 365 Days

1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

v Amitabhs Mer/Jup –

SAVANA SYSTEM

10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 – Savana system

HIT MOVIES within this period

1) Baghban (release year:2003)

Vim Dasa of 365 Days

v Mer/Jup – 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 – 365days Vim

Dasa

1) Baghban (release year:2003)

2) BLACK – one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

–4th Feb 2005 –see link below) as we know Black was slated for

the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

(in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005, which

is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

under the preview of our antar – my apologies since I went general

on the year and memory)

Conclusion

1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

Wipe out the entire Bad Phase – aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also gave

him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons why this

Jup antar gave him bad results also

3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a marked

difference

4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern minutely in

his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

SJ

> As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

was

> running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

Jupiter

> antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

possess.

>

> I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

360

> Savana days year, that you refer to.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> >

> > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

results

> > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through Out", so

how

> > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> >

> > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has given him

hit

> > Movies ALSO.

> >

> > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by Savana

> > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> >

> > Think about it

> >

> > Regards

> > SJ

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

is

> > not

> > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > >

> > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

365.2425

> > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360 Savana days

for

> > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

lists

> > > that I write on.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > >

> > > > U wrote:

> > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

said

> > that

> > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

then

> > you

> > > > gave

> > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > >

> > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

according to

> > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq lagna,

I

> > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > immediately

> > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't even know

> > such an

> > > > article of his existed.

> > > >

> > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one more

> > movie

> > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > mentioned

> > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

in

> > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > definitely

> > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my mails to

> > Bharat

> > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

in

> > the

> > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops also in

> > Sat/Jup

> > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > results of

> > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier mails. I

> > trust

> > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > /message/10671

> > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

Bharat, If

> > I

> > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius Lagna.

> > Jupiter

> > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my knowledge, 2nd

and

> > 7th

> > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

level.

> > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka 41 and

42.

> > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

still

> > given

> > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > mediocre.

> > > >

> > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

personalities

> > but

> > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

1990.

> > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

25th

> > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

what

> > you

> > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess the real

> > dates

> > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > Agneepath &

> > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup -- the same

> > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

don't

> > read

> > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

to

> > find

> > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

said

> > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

Hindi

> > film

> > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed the part

of

> > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

lost

> > his

> > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

flicker of

> > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

for

> > the

> > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

could

> > not

> > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is a film

> > that

> > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

cost). A

> > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

overdue

> > exit,

> > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out venture

to

> > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

You

> > may

> > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > Lagna.

> > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > knowledge,

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

> > lower

> > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

shloka

> > 41

> > > > and

> > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

mind. If

> > my

> > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by 1971 and

he

> > was

> > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in Saturn

> > Dasha.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

however

> > you

> > > > may

> > > > > > try.

> > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

would

> > not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

dasha

> > > > > > applications

> > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given him

Good

> > > > results

> > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as Maraka,

so

> > I

> > > > was

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in Sat

Maha

> > > > gave him

> > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

rules

> > of

> > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

Mahadasa

> > so

> > > > some

> > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

tangential

> > > > from

> > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

Mahadasha

> > and

> > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

Ashtavarga

> > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

Jupiter is

> > 3rd

> > > > from

> > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

wife

> > and

> > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to master/employer;

gain

> > of

> > > > money

> > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of charts

that

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

Jupiter

> > in a

> > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

arising

> > out

> > > > of

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

who

> > said

> > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my views

> > that

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

passed

> > Jup

> > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

typo by

> > > > mistake.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

movie

> > > > career

> > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

role

> > as

> > > > soon as

> > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an accomplished

> > Theatre

> > > > Artist

> > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

rejected

> > at

> > > > All

> > > > > > India

> > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining ground. If

we

> > have

> > > > the

> > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

might

> > > > have

> > > > > > led to

> > > > > > the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

Rao

> > has

> > > > > > given some

> > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

state

> > the

> > > > > > same for

> > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

my

> > views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

aggravate

> > ego

> > > > in

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

will

> > give

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

criteria

> > for

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

vouch

> > for

> > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha Yoga as

I

> > stated

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

Also.

> > I

> > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > would

> > > > not > >

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > dasha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

results

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

him

> > Good

> > > > results

> > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

Maraka,

> > so I

> > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

Sat

> > Maha

> > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > rules of

> > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > Mahadasa

> > > > so some

> > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > tangential

> > > > from

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > passed

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

typo

> > by

> > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

actually

> > help

> > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

have

> > been

> > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga since

what

> > > > rules

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily that

the

> > yoga

> > > > has

> > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to understand

> > that

> > > > the time

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

birth

> > > > details.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

wrote

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

even

> > if we

> > > > > > change

> > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

change

> > much

> > > > and

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

though

> > the

> > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can prove

it

> > is

> > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

rules

> > of

> > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10 charts, but

we

> > > > faced

> > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when taken

from

> > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another case of

> > Galileo

> > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

word

> > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as honest

> > > > students

> > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not happened

> > maybe

> > > > we

> > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

yoga

> > has

> > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the bottom of a

> > > > workable

> > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others who only

> > > > criticize

> > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as I have

> > > > realized

> > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

our

> > > > approach to

> > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

get

> > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart might

be

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place: 76 E

02'

> > 00",

> > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession & if at

all

> > how

> > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time: 7:30:00,

> > Time

> > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles City,

> > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital records is

not

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

fairly

> > > > accurate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

Jupiter's

> > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

career

> > and

> > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

success.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

spoilt.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

the

> > Mars

> > > > is

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and consistency

is

> > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to the 9th

> > house.

> > > > Under

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > house.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

7th

> > house

> > > > is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of Ketu.

It

> > gives

> > > > him

> > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

markesh

> > given

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

first

> > rate

> > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

and

> > Mars

> > > > are in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in matters of

Sri

> > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can have

> > > > accidents or

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need not be

> > there in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually help

in

> > your

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > > > > > >

May 20, 2006

Dear Sunil,

If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do not

think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is apparent,

since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why I

used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I get

Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

different dasha order.

I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years period,

there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain this?

Chandrashekhar.

suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> Om Datta Guru

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji

> Pls find my reply below as SJ

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> incidents

> > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and Narada. So

> > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> grahas.

> >

>

> SJ:

>

> 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

> days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we allot good

> incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

> many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

>

> 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but movies like

> Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

> got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

> not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

>

> Remarks:

> Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

>

> v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

>

> SAVANA SYSTEM

> According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

> Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

>

> 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

> Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

>

> 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

> Jup antar)

>

> http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

>

> Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

> which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a Legend and

> the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

> like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

> If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

> hits (writing for memory)

>

> Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

> Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

>

> v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

>

> SAVANA SYSTEM

>

> 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

>

> HIT MOVIES within this period

>

> 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

>

> Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> Dasa

>

> 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

>

> 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

>

> http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

>

> (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005, which

> is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> on the year and memory)

>

> Conclusion

>

> 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

> JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

>

> 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also gave

> him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

> 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons why this

> Jup antar gave him bad results also

>

> 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a marked

> difference

>

> 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern minutely in

> his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

>

> SJ

>

> > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

> was

> > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> Jupiter

> > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

> possess.

> >

> > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

> 360

> > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > >

> > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> results

> > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through Out", so

> how

> > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > >

> > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has given him

> hit

> > > Movies ALSO.

> > >

> > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by Savana

> > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > >

> > > Think about it

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

> is

> > > not

> > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > >

> > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> 365.2425

> > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360 Savana days

> for

> > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

> lists

> > > > that I write on.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > >

> > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

> said

> > > that

> > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> then

> > > you

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> according to

> > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq lagna,

> I

> > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > immediately

> > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't even know

> > > such an

> > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > >

> > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one more

> > > movie

> > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > > mentioned

> > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

> in

> > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > definitely

> > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my mails to

> > > Bharat

> > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops also in

> > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > > results of

> > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier mails. I

> > > trust

> > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> Bharat, If

> > > I

> > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius Lagna.

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my knowledge, 2nd

> and

> > > 7th

> > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> level.

> > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka 41 and

> 42.

> > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> still

> > > given

> > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > mediocre.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> personalities

> > > but

> > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

> 1990.

> > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

> 25th

> > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

> what

> > > you

> > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess the real

> > > dates

> > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > Agneepath &

> > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup -- the same

> > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

> don't

> > > read

> > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

> to

> > > find

> > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

> said

> > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> Hindi

> > > film

> > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed the part

> of

> > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

> lost

> > > his

> > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> flicker of

> > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

> for

> > > the

> > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

> could

> > > not

> > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is a film

> > > that

> > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> cost). A

> > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> overdue

> > > exit,

> > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out venture

> to

> > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

> You

> > > may

> > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > > Lagna.

> > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > knowledge,

> > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

> > > lower

> > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> shloka

> > > 41

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> mind. If

> > > my

> > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by 1971 and

> he

> > > was

> > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in Saturn

> > > Dasha.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> however

> > > you

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> would

> > > not

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> dasha

> > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given him

> Good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as Maraka,

> so

> > > I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in Sat

> Maha

> > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> rules

> > > of

> > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> Mahadasa

> > > so

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> tangential

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> Mahadasha

> > > and

> > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> Ashtavarga

> > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> Jupiter is

> > > 3rd

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

> wife

> > > and

> > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to master/employer;

> gain

> > > of

> > > > > money

> > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > > results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of charts

> that

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> Jupiter

> > > in a

> > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> arising

> > > out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

> who

> > > said

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my views

> > > that

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> passed

> > > Jup

> > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> typo by

> > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

> movie

> > > > > career

> > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

> role

> > > as

> > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an accomplished

> > > Theatre

> > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> rejected

> > > at

> > > > > All

> > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining ground. If

> we

> > > have

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

> might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

> Rao

> > > has

> > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

> state

> > > the

> > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

> my

> > > views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> aggravate

> > > ego

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

> will

> > > give

> > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> criteria

> > > for

> > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> vouch

> > > for

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha Yoga as

> I

> > > stated

> > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

> Also.

> > > I

> > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > > would

> > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> results

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

> him

> > > Good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> Maraka,

> > > so I

> > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

> Sat

> > > Maha

> > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > > rules of

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > Mahadasa

> > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > tangential

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > > passed

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> typo

> > > by

> > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> actually

> > > help

> > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga since

> what

> > > > > rules

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily that

> the

> > > yoga

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to understand

> > > that

> > > > > the time

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> birth

> > > > > details.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> wrote

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

> even

> > > if we

> > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> change

> > > much

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> though

> > > the

> > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can prove

> it

> > > is

> > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> rules

> > > of

> > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10 charts, but

> we

> > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when taken

> from

> > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another case of

> > > Galileo

> > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> word

> > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as honest

> > > > > students

> > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not happened

> > > maybe

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

> yoga

> > > has

> > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the bottom of a

> > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others who only

> > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as I have

> > > > > realized

> > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

> our

> > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

> get

> > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart might

> be

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place: 76 E

> 02'

> > > 00",

> > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession & if at

> all

> > > how

> > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time: 7:30:00,

> > > Time

> > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles City,

> > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital records is

> not

> > > in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> fairly

> > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> Jupiter's

> > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> career

> > > and

> > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> success.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> spoilt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

> the

> > > Mars

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and consistency

> is

> > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to the 9th

> > > house.

> > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

> 7th

> > > house

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of Ketu.

> It

> > > gives

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> markesh

> > > given

> > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

> first

> > > rate

> > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

> and

> > > Mars

> > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in matters of

> Sri

> > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can have

> > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need not be

> > > there in

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

> same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually help

> in

> > > your

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > > > > > > >

May 20, 2006

Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

Kindly check the time of birth. If I remember correctly, Sri K. N. Rao site

takes it to be 16:00 Hrs. In Parashara Light under indianceleb directory

too, Sri Bachchan's chart is given with 16:00 Hrs.

http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/bigb_and_crisis.htm

In one of the charts, it says 15:00 Hrs but that is a typo error.

In fact, with 15:00 Hrs he will not get Aquarius as the lagna as his lagna

is approx 2 degrees.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil,

> If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do not

> think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is apparent,

> since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why I

> used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I get

> Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> different dasha order.

>

> I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

> you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

> the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

>

> As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years period,

> there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

> level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain

> this?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > incidents

> > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and Narada. So

> > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > grahas.

> > >

> >

> > SJ:

> >

> > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

> > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we allot good

> > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

> > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> >

> > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but movies like

> > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

> > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

> > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

> >

> > Remarks:

> > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> >

> > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> >

> > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

> > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> >

> > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

> > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> >

> > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

> > Jup antar)

> >

> > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> >

> > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

> > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a Legend and

> > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

> > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

> > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

> > hits (writing for memory)

> >

> > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

> > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> >

> > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> >

> > SAVANA SYSTEM

> >

> > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> >

> > HIT MOVIES within this period

> >

> > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> >

> > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > Dasa

> >

> > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> >

> > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> >

> > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> >

> > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005, which

> > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> > on the year and memory)

> >

> > Conclusion

> >

> > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

> > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> >

> > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also gave

> > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

> > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons why this

> > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> >

> > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a marked

> > difference

> >

> > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern minutely in

> > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

> > was

> > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > Jupiter

> > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

> > possess.

> > >

> > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

> > 360

> > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > >

> > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > results

> > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through Out", so

> > how

> > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has given him

> > hit

> > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > >

> > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by Savana

> > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > >

> > > > Think about it

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> > 365.2425

> > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360 Savana days

> > for

> > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

> > lists

> > > > > that I write on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> > then

> > > > you

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > according to

> > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq lagna,

> > I

> > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > > immediately

> > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't even know

> > > > such an

> > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one more

> > > > movie

> > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

> > in

> > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > > definitely

> > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my mails to

> > > > Bharat

> > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops also in

> > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > > > results of

> > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier mails. I

> > > > trust

> > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > Bharat, If

> > > > I

> > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius Lagna.

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my knowledge, 2nd

> > and

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> > level.

> > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka 41 and

> > 42.

> > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> > still

> > > > given

> > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > > mediocre.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > personalities

> > > > but

> > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

> > 1990.

> > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

> > 25th

> > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

> > what

> > > > you

> > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess the real

> > > > dates

> > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup -- the same

> > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

> > don't

> > > > read

> > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

> > to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

> > said

> > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> > Hindi

> > > > film

> > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed the part

> > of

> > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

> > lost

> > > > his

> > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > flicker of

> > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

> > could

> > > > not

> > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is a film

> > > > that

> > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > cost). A

> > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > overdue

> > > > exit,

> > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out venture

> > to

> > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

> > You

> > > > may

> > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

> > > > lower

> > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> > shloka

> > > > 41

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> > mind. If

> > > > my

> > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by 1971 and

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in Saturn

> > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > however

> > > > you

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > would

> > > > not

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > dasha

> > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given him

> > Good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as Maraka,

> > so

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in Sat

> > Maha

> > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > rules

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > Mahadasa

> > > > so

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > tangential

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > Mahadasha

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > Jupiter is

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

> > wife

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to master/employer;

> > gain

> > > > of

> > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of charts

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> > Jupiter

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> > arising

> > > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

> > who

> > > > said

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my views

> > > > that

> > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > passed

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > typo by

> > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

> > movie

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

> > role

> > > > as

> > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an accomplished

> > > > Theatre

> > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > rejected

> > > > at

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining ground. If

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

> > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

> > Rao

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

> > state

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

> > my

> > > > views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > aggravate

> > > > ego

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

> > will

> > > > give

> > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> > criteria

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> > vouch

> > > > for

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha Yoga as

> > I

> > > > stated

> > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

> > Also.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > > > would

> > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > results

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

> > him

> > > > Good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > Maraka,

> > > > so I

> > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

> > Sat

> > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > tangential

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > > > passed

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > typo

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > actually

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga since

> > what

> > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily that

> > the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to understand

> > > > that

> > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> > birth

> > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> > wrote

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

> > even

> > > > if we

> > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > change

> > > > much

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > though

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can prove

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> > rules

> > > > of

> > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10 charts, but

> > we

> > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when taken

> > from

> > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another case of

> > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> > word

> > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as honest

> > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not happened

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

> > yoga

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the bottom of a

> > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others who only

> > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as I have

> > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

> > our

> > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

> > get

> > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart might

> > be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place: 76 E

> > 02'

> > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession & if at

> > all

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time: 7:30:00,

> > > > Time

> > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles City,

> > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital records is

> > not

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > fairly

> > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > Jupiter's

> > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> > career

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > success.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

> > the

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and consistency

> > is

> > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to the 9th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

> > 7th

> > > > house

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of Ketu.

> > It

> > > > gives

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > markesh

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

> > first

> > > > rate

> > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

> > and

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in matters of

> > Sri

> > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can have

> > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need not be

> > > > there in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

> > same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually help

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > > > > > > > >

May 21, 2006

My data too are the same but I get Jup dasa from Nov 1955 to 1971. He made a

breakthrough in Sat-Sat. I think you are using some different programme.

P.Kumar

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"Chandrashekhar" <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

<>

Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:47 AM

Re: Amitabh's Jup antars - Savana Vs Vimshottari

> Dear Sunil,

> If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do not

> think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is apparent,

> since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why I

> used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I get

> Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> different dasha order.

>

> I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

> you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

> the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

>

> As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years period,

> there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

> level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain

this?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > Om Datta Guru

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > >

> > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > incidents

> > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and Narada. So

> > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > grahas.

> > >

> >

> > SJ:

> >

> > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

> > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we allot good

> > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

> > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> >

> > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but movies like

> > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

> > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

> > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

> >

> > Remarks:

> > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> >

> > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> >

> > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

> > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> >

> > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

> > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> >

> > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

> > Jup antar)

> >

> > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> >

> > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

> > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a Legend and

> > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

> > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

> > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

> > hits (writing for memory)

> >

> > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

> > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> >

> > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> >

> > SAVANA SYSTEM

> >

> > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> >

> > HIT MOVIES within this period

> >

> > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> >

> > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > Dasa

> >

> > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> >

> > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> >

> > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> >

> > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005, which

> > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> > on the year and memory)

> >

> > Conclusion

> >

> > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

> > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> >

> > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also gave

> > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

> > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons why this

> > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> >

> > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a marked

> > difference

> >

> > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern minutely in

> > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

> > was

> > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > Jupiter

> > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

> > possess.

> > >

> > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

> > 360

> > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > >

> > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > results

> > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through Out", so

> > how

> > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has given him

> > hit

> > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > >

> > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by Savana

> > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > >

> > > > Think about it

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> > 365.2425

> > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360 Savana days

> > for

> > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

> > lists

> > > > > that I write on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> > then

> > > > you

> > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > according to

> > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq lagna,

> > I

> > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > > immediately

> > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't even know

> > > > such an

> > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one more

> > > > movie

> > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

> > in

> > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > > definitely

> > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my mails to

> > > > Bharat

> > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops also in

> > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > > > results of

> > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier mails. I

> > > > trust

> > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > Bharat, If

> > > > I

> > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius Lagna.

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my knowledge, 2nd

> > and

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> > level.

> > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka 41 and

> > 42.

> > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> > still

> > > > given

> > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > > mediocre.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > personalities

> > > > but

> > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

> > 1990.

> > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

> > 25th

> > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

> > what

> > > > you

> > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess the real

> > > > dates

> > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup -- the same

> > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

> > don't

> > > > read

> > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

> > to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

> > said

> > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> > Hindi

> > > > film

> > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed the part

> > of

> > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

> > lost

> > > > his

> > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > flicker of

> > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

> > could

> > > > not

> > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is a film

> > > > that

> > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > cost). A

> > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > overdue

> > > > exit,

> > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out venture

> > to

> > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

> > You

> > > > may

> > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

> > > > lower

> > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> > shloka

> > > > 41

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> > mind. If

> > > > my

> > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by 1971 and

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in Saturn

> > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > however

> > > > you

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > would

> > > > not

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > dasha

> > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given him

> > Good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as Maraka,

> > so

> > > > I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in Sat

> > Maha

> > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > rules

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > Mahadasa

> > > > so

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > tangential

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > Mahadasha

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > Jupiter is

> > > > 3rd

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

> > wife

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to master/employer;

> > gain

> > > > of

> > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of charts

> > that

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> > Jupiter

> > > > in a

> > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> > arising

> > > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

> > who

> > > > said

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my views

> > > > that

> > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > passed

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > typo by

> > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

> > movie

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

> > role

> > > > as

> > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an accomplished

> > > > Theatre

> > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > rejected

> > > > at

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining ground. If

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

> > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

> > Rao

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

> > state

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

> > my

> > > > views.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > aggravate

> > > > ego

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

> > will

> > > > give

> > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> > criteria

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> > vouch

> > > > for

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha Yoga as

> > I

> > > > stated

> > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

> > Also.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > > > would

> > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > results

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

> > him

> > > > Good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > Maraka,

> > > > so I

> > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

> > Sat

> > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > tangential

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > > > passed

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > typo

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > actually

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga since

> > what

> > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily that

> > the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to understand

> > > > that

> > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> > birth

> > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> > wrote

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

> > even

> > > > if we

> > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > change

> > > > much

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > though

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can prove

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> > rules

> > > > of

> > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10 charts, but

> > we

> > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when taken

> > from

> > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another case of

> > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> > word

> > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as honest

> > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not happened

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

> > yoga

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the bottom of a

> > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others who only

> > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as I have

> > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

> > our

> > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

> > get

> > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart might

> > be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place: 76 E

> > 02'

> > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession & if at

> > all

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time: 7:30:00,

> > > > Time

> > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles City,

> > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital records is

> > not

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > fairly

> > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > Jupiter's

> > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> > career

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > success.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

> > the

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and consistency

> > is

> > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to the 9th

> > > > house.

> > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > > > house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

> > 7th

> > > > house

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of Ketu.

> > It

> > > > gives

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > markesh

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

> > first

> > > > rate

> > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

> > and

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in matters of

> > Sri

> > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can have

> > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need not be

> > > > there in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

> > same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually help

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > > > > > > > >

May 21, 2006

Dear Bharat,

There are many times of birth for Amitabha that appear to be

circulating. Raosaheb maybe correct in the time he has, but for 1942

born, both LMT and war time would be applicable. The time of birth will

have to be advanced by 1 hour when we use that data in modern software.

I get 6 degrees and odd Aquarius lagna for Amitabha.

I suppose the difference in lagna degrees may have to do with using a

different position of sun for sunrise, though this only a guess.

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

>

> Kindly check the time of birth. If I remember correctly, Sri K. N. Rao

> site

> takes it to be 16:00 Hrs. In Parashara Light under indianceleb directory

> too, Sri Bachchan's chart is given with 16:00 Hrs.

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/bigb_and_crisis.htm

> In one of the charts, it says 15:00 Hrs but that is a typo error.

>

> In fact, with 15:00 Hrs he will not get Aquarius as the lagna as his lagna

> is approx 2 degrees.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> > indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do not

> > think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> > Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is apparent,

> > since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why I

> > used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I get

> > Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> > different dasha order.

> >

> > I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

> > you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> > different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

> > the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

> >

> > As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years period,

> > there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

> > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain

> > this?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > > incidents

> > > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and

> Narada. So

> > > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> > > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > > grahas.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SJ:

> > >

> > > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> > > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

> > > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we

> allot good

> > > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

> > > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> > > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> > >

> > > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but

> movies like

> > > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

> > > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

> > > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

> > >

> > > Remarks:

> > > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> > >

> > > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> > >

> > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

> > > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> > >

> > > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

> > > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> > >

> > > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

> > > Jup antar)

> > >

> > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> > >

> > > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

> > > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a

> Legend and

> > > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

> > > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

> > > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> > > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

> > > hits (writing for memory)

> > >

> > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

> > > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> > >

> > > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> > >

> > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > >

> > > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> > >

> > > HIT MOVIES within this period

> > >

> > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > >

> > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > > Dasa

> > >

> > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > >

> > > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> > >

> > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> > >

> > > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005,

> which

> > > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> > > on the year and memory)

> > >

> > > Conclusion

> > >

> > > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

> > > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> > > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> > >

> > > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also

> gave

> > > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

> > > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons

> why this

> > > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> > >

> > > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a

> marked

> > > difference

> > >

> > > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern

> minutely in

> > > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

> > > was

> > > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > > Jupiter

> > > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

> > > possess.

> > > >

> > > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

> > > 360

> > > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > > results

> > > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through

> Out", so

> > > how

> > > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has

> given him

> > > hit

> > > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by

> Savana

> > > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > Think about it

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> > > 365.2425

> > > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360

> Savana days

> > > for

> > > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

> > > lists

> > > > > > that I write on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

> > > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> > > then

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > > according to

> > > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq

> lagna,

> > > I

> > > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't

> even know

> > > > > such an

> > > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one

> more

> > > > > movie

> > > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

> > > in

> > > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my

> mails to

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops

> also in

> > > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > > > > results of

> > > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier

> mails. I

> > > > > trust

> > > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > > Bharat, If

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> Lagna.

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> knowledge, 2nd

> > > and

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> > > level.

> > > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka

> 41 and

> > > 42.

> > > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> > > still

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > > > mediocre.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > > personalities

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

> > > 1990.

> > > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

> > > 25th

> > > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

> > > what

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess

> the real

> > > > > dates

> > > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup --

> the same

> > > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

> > > don't

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

> > > said

> > > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> > > Hindi

> > > > > film

> > > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed

> the part

> > > of

> > > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

> > > lost

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > > flicker of

> > > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

> > > could

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is

> a film

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > > cost). A

> > > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > > overdue

> > > > > exit,

> > > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out

> venture

> > > to

> > > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

> > > You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

> Aquarius

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord

> on a

> > > > > lower

> > > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> > > shloka

> > > > > 41

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> > > mind. If

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by

> 1971 and

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in

> Saturn

> > > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > > however

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > > would

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> given him

> > > Good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> Maraka,

> > > so

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> in Sat

> > > Maha

> > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > > rules

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > Mahadasa

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > tangential

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > > Mahadasha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > > Jupiter is

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

> > > wife

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to

> master/employer;

> > > gain

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of

> charts

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> > > arising

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

> > > who

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my

> views

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > > passed

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > > typo by

> > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

> > > movie

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

> > > role

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an

> accomplished

> > > > > Theatre

> > > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > > rejected

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining

> ground. If

> > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

> > > might

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

> > > Rao

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

> > > state

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

> > > my

> > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > > aggravate

> > > > > ego

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > will

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> > > criteria

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> > > vouch

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha

> Yoga as

> > > I

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

> > > Also.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

> 11th lord

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> Vimshottari

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

> > > him

> > > > > Good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > > Maraka,

> > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

> > > Sat

> > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> basic

> > > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> have

> > > > > passed

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > > typo

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > > actually

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga

> since

> > > what

> > > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily

> that

> > > the

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to

> understand

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> > > birth

> > > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> > > wrote

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

> > > even

> > > > > if we

> > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > > change

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > > though

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can

> prove

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> > > rules

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10

> charts, but

> > > we

> > > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when

> taken

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another

> case of

> > > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> > > word

> > > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as

> honest

> > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not

> happened

> > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

> > > yoga

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the

> bottom of a

> > > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others

> who only

> > > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as

> I have

> > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

> > > our

> > > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

> > > get

> > > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart

> might

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place:

> 76 E

> > > 02'

> > > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession &

> if at

> > > all

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time:

> 7:30:00,

> > > > > Time

> > > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles

> City,

> > > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital

> records is

> > > not

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > > fairly

> > > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > > Jupiter's

> > > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> > > career

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > > success.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> > > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

> > > the

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and

> consistency

> > > is

> > > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to

> the 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

> > > 7th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of

> Ketu.

> > > It

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > > markesh

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

> > > first

> > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

> > > and

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in

> matters of

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can

> have

> > > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need

> not be

> > > > > there in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

> > > same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually

> help

> > > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your

> phone.

> > > > > > > > > >

May 21, 2006

Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

I have trusted Sri K. N. Raoji on this one. In his books, he mentions that

Sri Teji Bachchan had visited him so I find no reason that he would not have

the correct time. If you the lagna degree in the url provided, it is at 01

degree 49 minutes in Aquarius.

I am getting the same value in Parashara Light 6.1 software. I did not feed

in the details, they were already a part of the software. Jupiter dasha is

till 1971. There can be a change due to settings in the software - What

software are you using?

I tried the settings you gave in Jhora using wartime 15:00 Hrs since Jhora

seems to apply the war time correction by itself. October 11, 1942,

Allahabad, 15:00 hrs. Use the LMT option. Even then, we get the lagna as

Aquarius 2 degrees 45 minutes and Jupiter's dasha remains firm between 1955

to 1971.

Hope we can find out how the difference is arising.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> There are many times of birth for Amitabha that appear to be

> circulating. Raosaheb maybe correct in the time he has, but for 1942

> born, both LMT and war time would be applicable. The time of birth will

> have to be advanced by 1 hour when we use that data in modern software.

> I get 6 degrees and odd Aquarius lagna for Amitabha.

>

> I suppose the difference in lagna degrees may have to do with using a

> different position of sun for sunrise, though this only a guess.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> >

> > Kindly check the time of birth. If I remember correctly, Sri K. N. Rao

> > site

> > takes it to be 16:00 Hrs. In Parashara Light under indianceleb directory

> > too, Sri Bachchan's chart is given with 16:00 Hrs.

> > http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/bigb_and_crisis.htm

> > In one of the charts, it says 15:00 Hrs but that is a typo error.

> >

> > In fact, with 15:00 Hrs he will not get Aquarius as the lagna as his

> lagna

> > is approx 2 degrees.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil,

> > > If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> > > indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do

> not

> > > think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> > > Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is

> apparent,

> > > since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why

> I

> > > used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I

> get

> > > Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> > > different dasha order.

> > >

> > > I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

> > > you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> > > different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

> > > the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

> > >

> > > As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years

> period,

> > > there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

> > > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain

> > > this?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > >

> > > > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > > > incidents

> > > > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > > > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and

> > Narada. So

> > > > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are

> antar

> > > > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > > > grahas.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SJ:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> > > > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so

> many

> > > > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we

> > allot good

> > > > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know

> that

> > > > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > > > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> > > > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> > > >

> > > > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > > > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but

> > movies like

> > > > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that

> it

> > > > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST &

> are

> > > > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

> > > >

> > > > Remarks:

> > > > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> > > >

> > > > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> > > >

> > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to

> 27th

> > > > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> > > >

> > > > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period

> of

> > > > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> > > >

> > > > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period

> of

> > > > Jup antar)

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> > > >

> > > > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > > > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a

> Maraka

> > > > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a

> > Legend and

> > > > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been

> portrayed

> > > > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka

> period.

> > > > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> > > > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non

> stop

> > > > hits (writing for memory)

> > > >

> > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to

> 6th

> > > > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> > > >

> > > > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> > > >

> > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > >

> > > > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> > > >

> > > > HIT MOVIES within this period

> > > >

> > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > >

> > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > > > Dasa

> > > >

> > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > >

> > > > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > > > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > > > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> > > >

> > > > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005,

> > which

> > > > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > > > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> > > > on the year and memory)

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion

> > > >

> > > > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that

> his

> > > > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> > > > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > > > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> > > >

> > > > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also

> > gave

> > > > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his

> Top

> > > > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons

> > why this

> > > > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> > > >

> > > > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a

> > marked

> > > > difference

> > > >

> > > > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > > > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern

> > minutely in

> > > > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> > > >

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when

> he

> > > > was

> > > > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that

> you

> > > > possess.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha

> using

> > > > 360

> > > > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > > > results

> > > > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through

> > Out", so

> > > > how

> > > > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has

> > given him

> > > > hit

> > > > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by

> > Savana

> > > > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Think about it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means

> he

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good

> for

> > > > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> > > > 365.2425

> > > > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360

> > Savana days

> > > > for

> > > > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all

> the

> > > > lists

> > > > > > > that I write on.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully.

> I

> > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> > > > then

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > > > according to

> > > > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq

> > lagna,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't

> > even know

> > > > > > such an

> > > > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one

> > more

> > > > > > movie

> > > > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I

> also

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed

> that

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my

> > mails to

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did

> mention

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops

> > also in

> > > > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give

> good

> > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier

> > mails. I

> > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > > > Bharat, If

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > Lagna.

> > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > knowledge, 2nd

> > > > and

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> > > > level.

> > > > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka

> > 41 and

> > > > 42.

> > > > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> > > > still

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > > > > mediocre.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > > > personalities

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th

> Feb.

> > > > 1990.

> > > > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup

> from

> > > > 25th

> > > > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months

> from

> > > > what

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess

> > the real

> > > > > > dates

> > > > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup --

> > the same

> > > > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts

> (I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took

> pains

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what

> is

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> > > > Hindi

> > > > > > film

> > > > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed

> > the part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to

> have

> > > > lost

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > > > flicker of

> > > > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In

> 1989,

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e.

> they

> > > > could

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is

> > a film

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > > > cost). A

> > > > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > > > overdue

> > > > > > exit,

> > > > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out

> > venture

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts.

> "

> > > > You

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

> > Aquarius

> > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord

> > on a

> > > > > > lower

> > > > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> > > > shloka

> > > > > > 41

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> > > > mind. If

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by

> > 1971 and

> > > > he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in

> > Saturn

> > > > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > > > however

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th

> lord

> > > > would

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> Vimshottari

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> > given him

> > > > Good

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > Maraka,

> > > > so

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> > in Sat

> > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> basic

> > > > rules

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > > > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being

> of

> > > > wife

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to

> > master/employer;

> > > > gain

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other

> benefic

> > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of

> > charts

> > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> > > > arising

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't

> place

> > > > who

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my

> > views

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> have

> > > > passed

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > > > typo by

> > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha

> and

> > > > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover,

> his

> > > > movie

> > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his

> supportive

> > > > role

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an

> > accomplished

> > > > > > Theatre

> > > > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > > > rejected

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining

> > ground. If

> > > > we

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits

> that

> > > > might

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R.

> G.

> > > > Rao

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I

> can

> > > > state

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and

> give

> > > > my

> > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > > > aggravate

> > > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha

> Yoga

> > > > will

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY

> a

> > > > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> > > > criteria

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> > > > vouch

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha

> > Yoga as

> > > > I

> > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good

> results

> > > > Also.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

> > 11th lord

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> > Vimshottari

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> given

> > > > him

> > > > > > Good

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > > > Maraka,

> > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> in

> > > > Sat

> > > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> > basic

> > > > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd

> from

> > > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> > have

> > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did

> a

> > > > typo

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > > > actually

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga

> > since

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test

> of

> > > > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to

> > understand

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> > > > wrote

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly,

> still

> > > > even

> > > > > > if we

> > > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > > > change

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > > > though

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can

> > prove

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> > > > rules

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10

> > charts, but

> > > > we

> > > > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when

> > taken

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another

> > case of

> > > > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as

> > honest

> > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not

> > happened

> > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the

> Mahapurusha

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the

> > bottom of a

> > > > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others

> > who only

> > > > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as

> > I have

> > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest

> towards

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand

> we

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart

> > might

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place:

> > 76 E

> > > > 02'

> > > > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession &

> > if at

> > > > all

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time:

> > 7:30:00,

> > > > > > Time

> > > > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles

> > City,

> > > > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital

> > records is

> > > > not

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > > > fairly

> > > > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > > > Jupiter's

> > > > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> > > > career

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > > > success.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> > > > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you

> see

> > > > the

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and

> > consistency

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to

> > the 9th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in

> own

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in

> the

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of

> > Ketu.

> > > > It

> > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > > > markesh

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered

> as

> > > > first

> > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both

> Sun

> > > > and

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in

> > matters of

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can

> > have

> > > > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need

> > not be

> > > > > > there in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding

> the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually

> > help

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your

> > phone.

> > > > > > > > > > >

May 22, 2006

Dear P. Kumar,

Perhaps you are using a different definitions for grahas and sunrise

time. I use definitions as understood by me using ancient texts. I use

apparent tip of the Sun for sunrise and apparent position of grahas for

degrees of grahas. So there can be a difference in degrees past in

Nakshatra by Moon. This would give a few years difference. Yet the basic

results appear to be identical for the jataka.

Chandrashekhar.

P Kumar wrote:

> My data too are the same but I get Jup dasa from Nov 1955 to 1971. He

> made a

> breakthrough in Sat-Sat. I think you are using some different programme.

>

> P.Kumar

> -

> "Chandrashekhar" <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> <>

> Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:47 AM

> Re: Amitabh's Jup antars - Savana Vs Vimshottari

>

> > Dear Sunil,

> > If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> > indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do not

> > think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> > Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is apparent,

> > since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That is why I

> > used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I get

> > Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> > different dasha order.

> >

> > I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00 Allahabad. Do

> > you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> > different. If we are talking about a different data then, apparently,

> > the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

> >

> > As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years period,

> > there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If lower

> > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you explain

> this?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > Om Datta Guru

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > > incidents

> > > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using different

> > > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and

> Narada. So

> > > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are antar

> > > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > > grahas.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SJ:

> > >

> > > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences, the word

> > > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so many

> > > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we

> allot good

> > > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know that

> > > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the gochars

> > > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> > >

> > > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but

> movies like

> > > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that it

> > > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST & are

> > > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to act so.

> > >

> > > Remarks:

> > > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> > >

> > > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> > >

> > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to 27th

> > > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> > >

> > > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period of

> > > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> > >

> > > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana period of

> > > Jup antar)

> > >

> > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> > >

> > > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a Maraka

> > > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a

> Legend and

> > > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been portrayed

> > > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka period.

> > > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this inspite of

> > > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non stop

> > > hits (writing for memory)

> > >

> > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to 6th

> > > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> > >

> > > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> > >

> > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > >

> > > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> > >

> > > HIT MOVIES within this period

> > >

> > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > >

> > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > > Dasa

> > >

> > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > >

> > > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> > >

> > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> > >

> > > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005,

> which

> > > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went general

> > > on the year and memory)

> > >

> > > Conclusion

> > >

> > > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that his

> > > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous Hits. (as

> > > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> > >

> > > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also

> gave

> > > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his Top

> > > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons

> why this

> > > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> > >

> > > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a

> marked

> > > difference

> > >

> > > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident might

> > > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern

> minutely in

> > > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> > >

> > > SJ

> > >

> > > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when he

> > > was

> > > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > > Jupiter

> > > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that you

> > > possess.

> > > >

> > > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha using

> > > 360

> > > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > > results

> > > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through

> Out", so

> > > how

> > > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has

> given him

> > > hit

> > > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by

> Savana

> > > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > Think about it

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha means he

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good for

> > > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR follows

> > > 365.2425

> > > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360

> Savana days

> > > for

> > > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all the

> > > lists

> > > > > > that I write on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent carefully. I

> > > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a maraka and

> > > then

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > > according to

> > > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq

> lagna,

> > > I

> > > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I didn't

> > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't

> even know

> > > > > such an

> > > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one

> more

> > > > > movie

> > > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I also

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed that

> > > in

> > > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED results but

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my

> mails to

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did mention

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops

> also in

> > > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give good

> > > > > results of

> > > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier

> mails. I

> > > > > trust

> > > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail of urs

> > > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > > Bharat, If

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> Lagna.

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> knowledge, 2nd

> > > and

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a lower

> > > level.

> > > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka

> 41 and

> > > 42.

> > > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of Maraca has

> > > still

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not just

> > > > > mediocre.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > > personalities

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th Feb.

> > > 1990.

> > > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup from

> > > 25th

> > > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months from

> > > what

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie & refer to

> > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess

> the real

> > > > > dates

> > > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be wrong on

> > > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup --

> the same

> > > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts (I

> > > don't

> > > > > read

> > > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took pains

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is what is

> > > said

> > > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm as the

> > > Hindi

> > > > > film

> > > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed

> the part

> > > of

> > > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to have

> > > lost

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > > flicker of

> > > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In 1989,

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e. they

> > > could

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is

> a film

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > > cost). A

> > > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > > overdue

> > > > > exit,

> > > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out

> venture

> > > to

> > > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense debts. "

> > > You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

> Aquarius

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord

> on a

> > > > > lower

> > > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34

> > > shloka

> > > > > 41

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in Sunil's

> > > mind. If

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by

> 1971 and

> > > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in

> Saturn

> > > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > > however

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th lord

> > > would

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of Vimshottari

> > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> given him

> > > Good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> Maraka,

> > > so

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> in Sat

> > > Maha

> > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca & basic

> > > rules

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > Mahadasa

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > tangential

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > > Mahadasha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > > Jupiter is

> > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well being of

> > > wife

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to

> master/employer;

> > > gain

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other benefic

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of

> charts

> > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed with

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the problems

> > > arising

> > > > > out

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't place

> > > who

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my

> views

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might have

> > > passed

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > > typo by

> > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha and

> > > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover, his

> > > movie

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his supportive

> > > role

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an

> accomplished

> > > > > Theatre

> > > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > > rejected

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining

> ground. If

> > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits that

> > > might

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R. G.

> > > Rao

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I can

> > > state

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and give

> > > my

> > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > > aggravate

> > > > > ego

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > will

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that ONLY a

> > > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the sole

> > > criteria

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of astrology can

> > > vouch

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha

> Yoga as

> > > I

> > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good results

> > > Also.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

> 11th lord

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> Vimshottari

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > > results

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has given

> > > him

> > > > > Good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > > Maraka,

> > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar in

> > > Sat

> > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> basic

> > > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd from

> > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> have

> > > > > passed

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u did a

> > > typo

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > > actually

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but honestly I

> > > have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga

> since

> > > what

> > > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the test of

> > > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily

> that

> > > the

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to

> understand

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking at the

> > > birth

> > > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that what he

> > > wrote

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly, still

> > > even

> > > > > if we

> > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > > change

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down if a

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > > though

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can

> prove

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing down the

> > > rules

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10

> charts, but

> > > we

> > > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when

> taken

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another

> case of

> > > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology , the

> > > word

> > > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as

> honest

> > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not

> happened

> > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the Mahapurusha

> > > yoga

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the

> bottom of a

> > > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others

> who only

> > > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as

> I have

> > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest towards

> > > our

> > > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand we

> > > get

> > > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart

> might

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942, Time:

> > > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place:

> 76 E

> > > 02'

> > > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession &

> if at

> > > all

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time:

> 7:30:00,

> > > > > Time

> > > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles

> City,

> > > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital

> records is

> > > not

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > > fairly

> > > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > > Jupiter's

> > > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it sustains his

> > > career

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > > success.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna isn't

> > > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you see

> > > the

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and

> consistency

> > > is

> > > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to

> the 9th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in own

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in the

> > > 7th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of

> Ketu.

> > > It

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > > markesh

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered as

> > > first

> > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both Sun

> > > and

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in

> matters of

> > > Sri

> > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can

> have

> > > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need

> not be

> > > > > there in

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding the

> > > same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually

> help

> > > in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your

> phone.

> > > > > > > > > >

May 22, 2006

Dear Bharat/ P. Kumar,

I had similar query from P. Kumar. I use Jhora software because of the

many options it offers. I use apparent tip of Sun's disc for sunrise and

apparent position of Grahas for their calculations and Geocentric

position for grahas, so that would change the Lagna degrees too. I do

this due to my interpretation of what ancient texts tell. Others may

have a different opinion.

But I have found out what has happened that I am getting a different

dasha level and I am sorry to have put you and P. Kumar to a lot of

trouble on that account. I was using Usha - Shashi ayanamsha in

connection with some research that I was conducting. I forgot to change

it back to Lahiri that I generally use. That is where the difference

cropped up.

I am extremely sorry to have put both you and P. Kumar on wrong dates.

However I get 2 degrees and odd minutes as lagna. You were right on that

account as in your previous mail.

I am also sorry if Sunil has been inconvenienced on this account.

However the results as far as the Jataka is concerned the results of the

dasha were not very good in the dasha period in Jupiter period. He

achieved breakthrough only in Saturn dasha.

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

>

> I have trusted Sri K. N. Raoji on this one. In his books, he mentions that

> Sri Teji Bachchan had visited him so I find no reason that he would

> not have

> the correct time. If you the lagna degree in the url provided, it is at 01

> degree 49 minutes in Aquarius.

>

> I am getting the same value in Parashara Light 6.1 software. I did not

> feed

> in the details, they were already a part of the software. Jupiter dasha is

> till 1971. There can be a change due to settings in the software - What

> software are you using?

>

> I tried the settings you gave in Jhora using wartime 15:00 Hrs since Jhora

> seems to apply the war time correction by itself. October 11, 1942,

> Allahabad, 15:00 hrs. Use the LMT option. Even then, we get the lagna as

> Aquarius 2 degrees 45 minutes and Jupiter's dasha remains firm between

> 1955

> to 1971.

>

> Hope we can find out how the difference is arising.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> >

> > There are many times of birth for Amitabha that appear to be

> > circulating. Raosaheb maybe correct in the time he has, but for 1942

> > born, both LMT and war time would be applicable. The time of birth will

> > have to be advanced by 1 hour when we use that data in modern software.

> > I get 6 degrees and odd Aquarius lagna for Amitabha.

> >

> > I suppose the difference in lagna degrees may have to do with using a

> > different position of sun for sunrise, though this only a guess.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > Kindly check the time of birth. If I remember correctly, Sri K. N. Rao

> > > site

> > > takes it to be 16:00 Hrs. In Parashara Light under indianceleb

> directory

> > > too, Sri Bachchan's chart is given with 16:00 Hrs.

> > > http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/bigb_and_crisis.htm

> > > In one of the charts, it says 15:00 Hrs but that is a typo error.

> > >

> > > In fact, with 15:00 Hrs he will not get Aquarius as the lagna as his

> > lagna

> > > is approx 2 degrees.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 5/21/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > If you want to remain within Amitabha's Mahadasha as you seem to

> > > > indicate. His Jupiter Mahadasha ran from 7.8.1950 to 15.5.1966. I do

> > not

> > > > think he was a successful star then. Now as you want to remain in

> > > > Jupiter dasha, the point that it was not very good for him is

> > apparent,

> > > > since he perhaps made a breakthrough with Zanzeer in 1973. That

> is why

> > I

> > > > used antar dasha of Jupiter in Saturn when he was in the industry. I

> > get

> > > > Jupiter in Sat between 7.8.1982 and 4.2.1985. You appear to get a

> > > > different dasha order.

> > > >

> > > > I have his date and time of birth as Oct. 11. 1942 15.00

> Allahabad. Do

> > > > you have any other data, that the dasha order you get appears to be

> > > > different. If we are talking about a different data then,

> apparently,

> > > > the discussion can not reach any fruitful conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > As to your comment that people remain jobless for 5 or 15 years

> > period,

> > > > there are some who change jobs multiple times within a year. If

> lower

> > > > level dashas and gochar is not to be factored in how would you

> explain

> > > > this?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji

> > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I said through out as you wanted to attribute some stray good

> > > > > incidents

> > > > > > to Jupiter dasha operating. And by the way you are using

> different

> > > > > > parameters for Vimshottari than what are told by Garga and

> > > Narada. So

> > > > > > some success might be seen in there. In every dasha there are

> > antar

> > > > > > dashas, pratyantar dashas etc. and different gochar position of

> > > > > grahas.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Now parameters of discussion are changing in sentences,

> the word

> > > > > 'Through Out' was clear & ur basis of this discussion spanning so

> > many

> > > > > days was Jup is MARAKA for Aq lagna is significant and now we

> > > allot good

> > > > > incidents in this antar to PDs, SDs & gochara, then u surely know

> > that

> > > > > many people remain jobless for say 5 yrs or 20 yrs and all the

> > > > > Pratyantar dashas and sookshama dasas and antars and all the

> gochars

> > > > > (transits) have come and gone but NO EFFECT

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. U said "I wanted to contribute to Jup antar some STRAY Good

> > > > > incidents" - well I do not know if u watch hindi movies but

> > > movies like

> > > > > Shahenshah, Angeepath, BLACK & BAGBAN (last one -in the light that

> > it

> > > > > got him back on the charts) , two of this come under CAREER BEST &

> > are

> > > > > not STRAY incidents where the MARAKA suddenly decides not to

> act so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remarks:

> > > > > Post Mortem of Jup antar of Amitabh in Sat & Mer Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > v Amitabhs Sat/Jup

> > > > >

> > > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > > > According to Savana system of 360 days Sat/Jup - 30th aug 1987 to

> > 27th

> > > > > Feb 1990 -- is running & IT SHOULD BE BAD

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Agneepath was released on Feb 16th 1990 (still in Savana period

> > of

> > > > > Jup antar) http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html

> > > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5383/index.html>

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Shahenshah was released on Feb 12th 1988 (still in Savana

> period

> > of

> > > > > Jup antar)

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html

> > > > > <http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/5207/index.html>

> > > > >

> > > > > Surely even if we follow Savana year 360 days and Jup as MARAKA --

> > > > > any bollywood actor would give an arm & his life to have such a

> > Maraka

> > > > > which gives him 2 GREAT HITS movies, the movie Agneepath is a

> > > Legend and

> > > > > the character of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan & Don has never been

> > portrayed

> > > > > like that by any actor. Every actor would desire such a Maraka

> > period.

> > > > > If I remember well he won his 1st national award for this

> inspite of

> > > > > being in the movie industry for more than 15 yrs & delivering non

> > stop

> > > > > hits (writing for memory)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > > 1. If we follow the 365 days then Sat/Jup is from 35th Apr 1988 to

> > 6th

> > > > > Nov 1990 & BOTH THE HIT MOVIES WERE RELEASED IN THIS PERIOD

> > > > >

> > > > > v Amitabhs Mer/Jup --

> > > > >

> > > > > SAVANA SYSTEM

> > > > >

> > > > > 10th Jan 2002 to 5th Apr 2004 -- Savana system

> > > > >

> > > > > HIT MOVIES within this period

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vim Dasa of 365 Days

> > > > > v Mer/Jup -- 21st Nov 2002 to 26th Feb 2005 -- 365days Vim

> > > > > Dasa

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Baghban (release year:2003)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) BLACK -- one of the most coveted films for him (Release date

> > > > > --4th Feb 2005 --see link below) as we know Black was slated for

> > > > > the OSCARS but industry politics took over.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.indiafm.com/movies/cast/7207/index.html

> > > > >

> > > > > (in one of my previous mails I had taken Bunty aur babli for 2005,

> > > which

> > > > > is true but the release date is 27th May 2005 so it doesn't come

> > > > > under the preview of our antar -- my apologies since I went

> general

> > > > > on the year and memory)

> > > > >

> > > > > Conclusion

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. It is clearly shown by both Savana & 365 days system that

> > his

> > > > > JUP antar (being a MARAKA) also gave him Hits and Fabulous

> Hits. (as

> > > > > there is a saying in the industry, one `Lagaan' is Enough to

> > > > > Wipe out the entire Bad Phase -- aka Ashutosh Gowariker)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. There are and can be many reasons as to why Jup antar also

> > > gave

> > > > > him fantastic results & can not be judged a Maraka since 2 of his

> > Top

> > > > > 5-10 movies are in this Period. same way there are many reasons

> > > why this

> > > > > Jup antar gave him bad results also

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. 365 days vimshottari dasa system vs Sayana system shows a

> > > marked

> > > > > difference

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. KN Rao's famous prediction during the Coolie Accident

> might

> > > > > have been based on 365 days as he has used the dasha pattern

> > > minutely in

> > > > > his analysis in his book Ups and Downs in Career

> > > > >

> > > > > SJ

> > > > >

> > > > > > As to Agnipath, it appears to be released in Feb. 1990 film when

> > he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > running Mer-Venus period and I do not understand its linkage to

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > antar. Of course, I do not have the encyclopedic knowledge that

> > you

> > > > > possess.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would appreciate the hits that he had in Jupiter antardasha

> > using

> > > > > 360

> > > > > > Savana days year, that you refer to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashehkarji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. I have shown by factual data that Jup antar is giving MIXED

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > extreme good and extreme bad . U used the word " Through

> > > Out", so

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > come in Jup antar he also had Huge Hits. Think about this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Even if we follow Savana days 360, still Jup antar has

> > > given him

> > > > > hit

> > > > > > > Movies ALSO.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. In both the antars of Jup in Sat and Mer mahadasa, even by

> > > Savana

> > > > > > > years system he has had some phenomenal hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Think about it

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > SJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If Jupiter not giving bad results through out its dasha

> means

> > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > a Maraka, then how does it giving many flops makes him good

> > for

> > > > > > > > Amitabha? Think about this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The reason you get different date is that perhaps KNR

> follows

> > > > > 365.2425

> > > > > > > > day year for Vimshottari dasha calculations. I use 360

> > > Savana days

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari dasha as I have said many a times on almost all

> > the

> > > > > lists

> > > > > > > > that I write on.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > > Sorry for the delayed response, schedule has been erratic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > I think you have not read all the mails I sent

> carefully.

> > I

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > for Vimshottari dasha implications Jupiter is a

> maraka and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > the extract of what KNR said.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > SJ: I have read all this very carefully. Since you said

> > > > > according to

> > > > > > > > > Parasari rules (of vimshottari dasa) Jup is maraca for aq

> > > lagna,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > showed that it has still ALSO given GOOD results & I

> didn't

> > > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > > > > give KNRs article, infact for quite some time I didn't

> > > even know

> > > > > > > such an

> > > > > > > > > article of his existed.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I first mentioned his Sat/Jup & showed how Agneepath & one

> > > more

> > > > > > > movie

> > > > > > > > > did well (writing from memory now) BUT in a later email I

> > also

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > that he had flops in that same period & the same I showed

> > that

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Mer/Jup he had hits and flops too showing MIXED

> results but

> > > > > > > definitely

> > > > > > > > > not a ZERO period or bad period or maraca period. In my

> > > mails to

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > or Satya or both it clearly shows that Finally & I did

> > mention

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 2nd or 3rd mail to Bharat or Satya that there were flops

> > > also in

> > > > > > > Sat/Jup

> > > > > > > > > period which no one mentioned.

> > > > > > > > > U wrote: I also said that Jupiter in 6th did not give

> > good

> > > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > > the 6th bhava. Please read what I have said, in earlier

> > > mails. I

> > > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > > > this will clarify the matter. SJ: This is the mail

> of urs

> > > > > > > > > /message/10671

> > > > > > > > > <../../../../../../message/10671> I reproduce below Dear

> > > > > Bharat, If

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows Aquarius

> > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > knowledge, 2nd

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord on a

> lower

> > > > > level.

> > > > > > > > > Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka Ch.34 shloka

> > > 41 and

> > > > > 42.

> > > > > > > > > SJ: We have clearly seen that this definition of

> Maraca has

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > him rise in life and if one may say phenomenal and not

> just

> > > > > > > mediocre.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would not like to question your knowledge about film

> > > > > personalities

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > I get his Saturn Jupiter period as 30th Aug 1987 to 27th

> > Feb.

> > > > > 1990.

> > > > > > > > > SJ: 1) I am following Shri KNRao's data and I get Sat/Jup

> > from

> > > > > 25th

> > > > > > > > > Apr 88 to 6th Nov 1990 which differs by quite some months

> > from

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > wrote above I do not possess dates of his movie &

> refer to

> > > > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/

> > > > > > > > > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000821/> I do not possess

> > > the real

> > > > > > > dates

> > > > > > > > > of release of his movies and in Sat/Jup I could be

> wrong on

> > > > > > > Agneepath &

> > > > > > > > > Shahenshah but surely there is no mistake in Mer/Jup --

> > > the same

> > > > > > > > > maraca period. U may draw ur own conclusions. SJ

> > > > > > > > > P.S: Bharat, did I miss post on your reply on Blind charts

> > (I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > all mails since I do not to individual mails)

> > > > > > > > > or is it that you have decided to let that go. I took

> > pains

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > out some biographical facts about Amitabha and here is

> what

> > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > about that period. "His return in 1987 was lukewarm

> as the

> > > > > Hindi

> > > > > > > film

> > > > > > > > > industry had moved on and newer, younger heroes essayed

> > > the part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Angry Young Man with more conviction. Bachchan seemed to

> > have

> > > > > lost

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > heart in making films as his later roles did not show the

> > > > > flicker of

> > > > > > > > > passion that had marked earlier efforts in the 1970s. In

> > 1989,

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > first time since 1976, three of his films were flops i.e.

> > they

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > recover their money (in the Hindi film industry a flop is

> > > a film

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > does not recover a distributor's price, not the producer's

> > > > > cost). A

> > > > > > > > > series of lackluster films in the 1990s pointed to a long

> > > > > overdue

> > > > > > > exit,

> > > > > > > > > common to many other stars. A seemingly well-thought out

> > > venture

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > start a production company ABCL landed him in immense

> debts.

> > "

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > draw your own conclusions. Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > > If I may add. The chart of Amitabha that I have shows

> > > Aquarius

> > > > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the 2nd and the 11 th lord. To the best of my

> > > > > > > knowledge,

> > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > and 7th lords are primary Maraka and so is the 11th lord

> > > on a

> > > > > > > lower

> > > > > > > > > > level. Parashara clearly states that he is a Maraka

> Ch.34

> > > > > shloka

> > > > > > > 41

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > 42. I do not understand where is the confusion in

> Sunil's

> > > > > mind. If

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > information is correct his Jupiter Dasha was over by

> > > 1971 and

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > not a great name during that period. He gained fame in

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > > Dasha.

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My notes are in Blue

> > > > > > > > > > > "Sri" is the true nature and cannot aggravate the ego,

> > > > > however

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > try.

> > > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, I shall call you as per your wishes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and 11th

> > lord

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> > Vimshottari

> > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> > > given him

> > > > > Good

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > > Maraka,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > using

> > > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> > > in Sat

> > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> > basic

> > > > > rules

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd

> from

> > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion went

> > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharat: I have typed notes of Sri N. N. Krishna Rau on

> > > > > Mahadasha

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhukti

> > > > > > > > > > > Phala as per Dravida Sastra, Kerala Jyotish Sastra,

> > > > > Ashtavarga

> > > > > > > > > Bindus,

> > > > > > > > > > > Uthmamasa, and Parijatamsa. Under Shani mahadasha, if

> > > > > Jupiter is

> > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasha lord, then he says:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Auspicious functions like marriages at home; well

> being

> > of

> > > > > wife

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > children; birth of children; prosperity to

> > > master/employer;

> > > > > gain

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > > > > due to grace of king; and goes on to mention other

> > benefic

> > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Besides I have seen, atleast in the little number of

> > > charts

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > studied, that whenever a Gajakesari Yoga is formed

> with

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > dushtana, then it protects the native from the

> problems

> > > > > arising

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > dusthana. This too I read somewhere and now I can't

> > place

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As far as maraka is concerned, I have already given my

> > > views

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > first rate maraka for him.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> > have

> > > > > passed

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe u

> did a

> > > > > typo by

> > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It was a typo, what I intended to say was in mahadasha

> > and

> > > > > > > > > anterdasha,

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter would generally protect and do good. Moreover,

> > his

> > > > > movie

> > > > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > > started in Jupiter-Rahu but was awared for his

> > supportive

> > > > > role

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > soon as

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn-Saturn started. But remember, he was an

> > > accomplished

> > > > > > > Theatre

> > > > > > > > > Artist

> > > > > > > > > > > before the movie career. However, Jupiter also got him

> > > > > rejected

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > > > India

> > > > > > > > > > > Radio and some struggle before he started gaining

> > > ground. If

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dates, perhaps we can see the anterdasha and transits

> > that

> > > > > might

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > led to

> > > > > > > > > > > the same.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > As far as Mahapurusha Yoga Bhanga is concerned. Sri R.

> > G.

> > > > > Rao

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > given some

> > > > > > > > > > > nadi rules in "Core of Nadi Astrology". If you want I

> > can

> > > > > state

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > same for

> > > > > > > > > > > discussion in this group.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the 3 charts and I shall study them and

> > give

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > views.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/12/06, Sunil John suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Request: Kindly call me only Sunil no Sri pls it can

> > > > > aggravate

> > > > > > > ego

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls find my reply below as SJ

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there an assumption that only a Mahapurusha

> > Yoga

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Bachchan the success he has?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I don't think so there is an assumption that

> ONLY

> > a

> > > > > > > > > mahrapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > in not only Amitabh or but anybodys chart is the

> sole

> > > > > criteria

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure a 1 to 6 month old student of

> astrology can

> > > > > vouch

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the last mail I was not writing on Mahapurusha

> > > Yoga as

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > (I feel) and I was commenting on Jup giving good

> > results

> > > > > Also.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > copy below

> > > > > > > > > > > > what I had specified in previous mail

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekharji wrote: Jupiter being Maraka and

> > > 11th lord

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > not > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good results according to principles of

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > applications

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > SJ: Then I wrote

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Presumption: From above that Jup is not giving good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > SJ:I then wrote out my attempt to see how Jup has

> > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > Good

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > also though Chandrashekharji's mail classified it as

> > > > > Maraka,

> > > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > > > was using

> > > > > > > > > > > > the same Vimshottari Dasa to show that his Jup antar

> > in

> > > > > Sat

> > > > > > > Maha

> > > > > > > > > > > gave him

> > > > > > > > > > > > phenomenal hits too and was not a complete maraca &

> > > basic

> > > > > > > rules of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari might not have worked, also Jup is 3rd

> > from

> > > > > > > Mahadasa

> > > > > > > > > so some

> > > > > > > > > > > > might say a not good period. Here the discussion

> went

> > > > > > > tangential

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think you mentioned Jup Mahadasa, I think he might

> > > have

> > > > > > > passed

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadasa before his film career started or maybe

> u did

> > a

> > > > > typo

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > mistake.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > U wrote: I hope this are not my mental rumblings and

> > > > > actually

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > in your

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, thanks for ur good attempt but

> honestly I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > unable to

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand the exceptions rules of Mahapurusha yoga

> > > since

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > given in this list when applied didn't stand the

> test

> > of

> > > > > > > > > consistency,

> > > > > > > > > > > > ofcourse at the end of the day we all can say easily

> > > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > manifested or not manifested to prove a theory.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I could have replied to Chandrashekharji when he

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Amritanandamayi ma.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shasha yoga has manifested. But one also has to

> > > understand

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the time

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > might not have been recorded correctly, looking

> at the

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > details.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The chart is drawn for 9.09 hr.s.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > SJ: I refused to do so since if we assume that

> what he

> > > > > wrote

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > birth time might not have been recorded properly,

> > still

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > if we

> > > > > > > > > > > change

> > > > > > > > > > > > the birth time by 2 hrs still the degs of Sat do not

> > > > > change

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > still in INFANT stage,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest impediment as we know is to pin down

> if a

> > > > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga has

> > > > > > > > > > > > worked or not since very easily we can say that even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > person is

> > > > > > > > > > > > successful, famous, has achieved a lot, still we can

> > > prove

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > achieved by

> > > > > > > > > > > > other yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we have taken one approach of listing

> down the

> > > > > rules

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > M.P yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhangas & seen them not properly working on 10

> > > charts, but

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > faced

> > > > > > > > > > > > impediment on accepting in certain cases (even when

> > > taken

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna) if the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapurusha yoga has worked or not example another

> > > case of

> > > > > > > Galileo

> > > > > > > > > > > where the

> > > > > > > > > > > > rules are not working. If we do Honest astrology

> , the

> > > > > word

> > > > > > > > > > > popularized by

> > > > > > > > > > > > KNR then the rules are not working and we should as

> > > honest

> > > > > > > > > students

> > > > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > > it and try to search more. But since that has not

> > > happened

> > > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > can take

> > > > > > > > > > > > some blind charts and try to predict if the

> > Mahapurusha

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > worked by

> > > > > > > > > > > > predicting Career, Success etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls realize that my intention is to get to the

> > > bottom of a

> > > > > > > > > workable

> > > > > > > > > > > > approach and truth of the technique unlike others

> > > who only

> > > > > > > > > criticize

> > > > > > > > > > > or pass

> > > > > > > > > > > > snide remarks or try to be "Politically correct" as

> > > I have

> > > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > > > all the

> > > > > > > > > > > > above is pure waste of time and not being honest

> > towards

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > approach to

> > > > > > > > > > > > astrology..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also it is possible by knowing the chart before hand

> > we

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > influenced to

> > > > > > > > > > > > beleive if the yoga is working or not, a blind chart

> > > might

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a better approach for us all.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I paste below for you & also others 3 charts

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Natal Chart 1: Date: July 6, 1942,

> Time:

> > > > > > > > > 9:30:00,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:04:00 (East of GMT), Place:

> > > 76 E

> > > > > 02'

> > > > > > > 00",

> > > > > > > > > > > 11 N 31'

> > > > > > > > > > > > 00", Place: vayithiri

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Female: Date: December 28, 1972, Time:

> > > > > > > > > 5:02:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 71 E 14' 00", 21 N 37' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Amreli, India

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear someone predict her profession &

> > > if at

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > much she

> > > > > > > > > > > > earns. The reasoning is what I am looking for.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Date: October 6, 1942, Time:

> > > 7:30:00,

> > > > > > > Time

> > > > > > > > > Zone:

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 105 W 50' 24", 46 N 24' 30", Miles

> > > City,

> > > > > > > > > Montana, USA

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re Time of birth: He told me that the hospital

> > > records is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > possession but his mother told him that the time was

> > > > > fairly

> > > > > > > > > accurate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Natal Chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: December 2, 1973

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:40:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Natal Chart, Date: August 7, 1963

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 21:14:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 83 E 58' 00", 21 N 27' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Date: September 10, 1943

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 4:19:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 87 W 54' 23", 43 N 02' 20"

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The time is confirmed by the native

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7) Date: April 20, 1972

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:37:00

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 55' 00", 19 N 05' 00"

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time is confirmed by native

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about your question and

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > following could be the reasons for his success in

> > > > > Jupiter's

> > > > > > > > > mahadasha:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter is Rashi Vargottama.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. As 2nd and 5th lord from the 10th, it

> sustains his

> > > > > career

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > creativity.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Exalted in 9th from the 10th house, it gives him

> > > > > success.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Jupiter is in own navamsha and hence the guna

> isn't

> > > > > spoilt.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You had also asked about his angry man image: If you

> > see

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > in Moon's nakshatra. His acting abilities and

> > > consistency

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > unmatched -

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Check Venus in nakshatra of Moon connecting it to

> > > the 9th

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > Under

> > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > nadi principles, this means Venus is strong as if in

> > own

> > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Another thing about his horoscope is Rahu, though in

> > the

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > connected to the lagna through nakshatra linkage of

> > > Ketu.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > mass

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > following or "attraction". Infact, Ketu becomes the

> > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > logic. Sun and Moon are traditionally not considered

> > as

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > rate

> > > > > > > > > > > markesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > but in his case Sun is in nakshatra of Mars and both

> > Sun

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > are in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house. This makes Sun have a strong say in

> > > matters of

> > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > longevity.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever Sun, Ketu dashas or antardashas run, he can

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > accidents or

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > problems or life threatening situations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, given the above Mahapurusha Yogas need

> > > not be

> > > > > > > there in

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > and I agree to Sri Chandrashekharji's view regarding

> > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this are not my mental rumblings and actually

> > > help

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your

> > > phone.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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