Phaladeepika & Mahapurusha Yoga from Moon/Bharat 2

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Dear Sri Chandrasekhar,

 

I understand your viewpoint, and I value it.

 

We do have differences among the translators' translations, as this

one, that cause us differ in the way we interpret.

 

Thanks

Satya S Kolachina

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

>

> Dear Satya,

> It is unfortunate that you do not have Sanskrit fonts. Otherwise

you

> could have read the original Sanskrit shloka and agreed to the

> translation given. If you read the transliterated portion in roman

> script, you may be able to understand what is written in the shloka.

>

> Not being conversant with Telugu, I will not be able to comment on

the

> translation of Mr. Kameshwara.

>

>  The topic was Maha Purusha yoga and whether classics say that the

yoga

> is also to be seen from Kendra from Chandra or not. My comments are

> limited to that part only. What Jataka Parijata mentions is very

clear.

>

> As to whether grahas in Kendra from Chandra are of significance or

not

> is a different matter. Since One can look at a chart from the

strongest

> amongst Surya, Chandra and Lagna, and graha in Kendra from either

of

> them, and with strength, will act as Paraspara karaka for the

respective

> lagnas and help deliver results of that lagna to the fullest.

Whether

> the results would be similar to Mahapurusha yoga is a matter that

is not

> known. If we look at Amala yoga, I think its results indicates that

they

> would not be so as Amala yoga arises when a graha is placed in 10th

> bhava from Chandra. Or look at the results of Gajkesari yoga which

needs

> Guru to be in Kendra from Chandra, the results differ from that of

Hamsa

> yoga. This is also one of the reasons that I think Mahapurusha

yogas are

> not to be applied from moon, but only from lagna.

>

> Of course, this is my personal opinion and those more knowledgeable

than

> me could hold a different view, on the subject.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > Dear Sri Chandrasekhar,

> >

> > As I don't have the necessary Sanskrit font, I was unable to read

the

> > shloka properly. However, I checked in Jataka Parijatha again. It

is

> > the 59th Shloka in Chapter 7. So I believe we must be talking

about

> > the same shloka.

> >

> > I am referring to the Telugu translation by Sri Upadrashta

Kameswara

> > Rao published by Gollapudi Veeraswamy Publications, Rajahmundry.

Most

> > Telugu based astrologers consider this book as the authentic

> > translation. The translator clearly mentioned that the Mahapurusha

> > Yoga applies from Lagna as well as Chandra.

> >

> > I am reiterating what I wrote before. A planet in strength, in

own or

> > exalted house and in Kendra from Moon has its own significations,

> > even though we don't necessarily call it a Maha purusha yoga. The

> > results in such a case are similar to those that are mentioned

with

> > respect to the planet in kendra from Lagna. What I mean is that

the

> > translators must have experienced such results and hence must have

> > included Chandra lagna also in their translations. That is why in

> > some translations we may see such an interpretation, though not

> > explicitly mentioned in the shloka.

> >

> > When I consider my exalted Budha in kendra from Moon akin to

Bhadra

> > Mahapurusha Yoga, I am referring not only to the maha dasha, but

also

> > to the physical charateristics and the special marks in the palm.

A

> > number of characteristics do match to me. I also do palmistry and

> > therefore attempted to view these marks differentiating them other

> > major and minor lines and their intersections on the palm. After I

> > clearly observed these comparable features, it lead me to believe

> > that the kendra position from Moon also might be sensible, as

> > suggested by some translators.

> >

> > As it is happening with a number of shlokas picked from different

> > classics (which are being researched by knowledged and experienced

> > astrologers these days), I felt it may be sensible to interpret

Maha

> > purusha yoga from Moon lagna also even though the original author

may

> > not have mentioned explicitly so.

> >

> > I do agree that exalted Mercury gives good results in its dasha,

but

> > I strongly consider its kendra position from Moon has added

> > additional strength to exalted Mercury.

> >

> > I hope I clarified my viewpoint, and welcome your opinion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satya,

> > >

> > > I am unable to find the shloka you are mentioning in Jataka

> > Parijata,

> > > for Mahapurusha yoga. As far as I know, Jataka Parijata says at

CH7

> > > shloka 59:

> > >

> > > mUliÇkae[injtu¼g&haepyata ÉaEm}jIvistÉanusuta bilóa>,

> > >

> > > mülatrikoëanijatuìgagåhopayätä bhaumajïajévasitabhänusutä

baliñöhäù|

> > >

> > > keNÔiSwta yid tda êcÉÔh<smalVycaêzzyaegkra ÉviNt.59.

> > >

> > > kendrasthitä yadi tadä rücabhadrahaàsamälavyacärüçaçayogakarä

> > bhavanti||59||

> > >

> > > _When Mangal, Budha, Guru, Shukra or Shani occupy their

> > Moolatrikona,

> > > own or exaltation rasi in strength and should they be placed in

a

> > > Kendra, Ruchaka, Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Shasha yogas occur._

> > >

> > > Are you referring to any other shloka? Is there any other

edition

> > of

> > > jataka Parijata that gives any other shloka, that is with you?

> > > I hope you are not referring to subsequent shlokas that give

> > additional

> > > results on account of even one of Dharmesha (9th lord), Labhesha

> > (11th

> > > lord) or Dhanesha (2nd lord) being in Kendra to Chandra, Guru

being

> > the

> > > lord of Labha, for Ruchaka yoga jataka getting unlimited

Kingdom.

> > >

> > > The shloka appears in Sanskrit 99 and ULW Palladio IT fonts in

> > alternate

> > > lines beginning with the first line.

> > >

> > > Awaiting your response.

> > >

> > > By the way, it is not only a Panch Mahapurusha yoga that gives

good

> > > results in the dasha of a graha. So only because you had good

> > Mercury

> > > dasha, by itself would not prove that when Mercury is in Kendra

> > from

> > > Moon would indicate that the yoga is Panch Mahapurusha yoga.

> > Manasagari

> > > says that if Sun or Moon join graha causing Mahapurusha yoga,

the

> > yoga

> > > is broken. Saravali also says similar thing.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > Dear Sri Chandrasekhar, Bharat and others,

> > > >

> > > > In Jataka Parijatham (Vaidyanatha Kritha), the author (or

> > translator)

> > > > expressed the view of seeing the Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas

from

> > Moon

> > > > also. The author says, that the mahapurusha yoga occurs when

any

> > of

> > > > these five (Mars, Merc, Jup, Venus, Saturn) planets is/are

> > located in

> > > > own house or exaltation, and in a kendra from either Lagna or

> > Moon.

> > > > He did not say Moon or Lagna whichever is strong. He clarly

said

> > > > either of them, which means he gave equal importance to Moon

Rasi

> > as

> > > > of Lagna itself.

> > > >

> > > > I think different translators differ in the interpretations,

and

> > may

> > > > be influenced by their own views/experiences.

> > > >

> > > > My opinion:

> > > >

> > > > I myself have exalted Mercury in a kendra from Moon (not from

> > Lagna)

> > > > and I believe my Mercury Maha dasha has been excellent and

gave me

> > > > unexpected rise in life. I am not a public figure but

compared to

> > > > where I was before and where I am, I see a change of very high

> > > > magniture. I believe I have some of the characteristics of

Bhadra

> > > > Maha purusha yoga, though we may not accept it that way or

call it

> > > > that way. My opinion is, a planet in strength in kendra from

Moon

> > has

> > > > its own significance, whether we call it a maha purusha yoga

or

> > not.

> > > >

> > > > I also have Sasa Maha Purusha Yoga from Lagna. Saturn maha

dasha

> > also

> > > > gave me spectacular results (after extreme hardwork, because

Sa in

> > > > Kendra).

> > > >

> > > > If I compare the two Maha dashas, I may have to say that my

Merc

> > Maha

> > > > dasha seems to be more superior in its results.

> > > >

> > > > Also one of my daughters has Bhadra maha purusha yoga with

> > exalted in

> > > > Mercury in 10th house along with Sun (with directional

strength

> > also

> > > > forming Budha Aditya yoga in 10th house (with Sa in Moola

Trikona

> > not

> > > > kendra) from Lagna and she has resemblences like

characteristics,

> > > > behavior, grasping abilities and such things very similar to

me

> > and I

> > > > always remember my childhood when I interact with her. She

also

> > has a

> > > > Neecha Bhanga raja yoga with Venus in Kanya, thus forming

total

> > of 3

> > > > or 4 rajayogas in the 10th house (hers is Dhanur lagna).. I am

> > waiting

> > > > to see her Budha maha dasha. She still has 7 yrs of Sa maha

dasha

> > to

> > > > go. She is doing pretty well in Sa dasha also as Sa is in

Moola

> > > > trikona.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, I personally believe that considering Maha purusha

yoga

> > > > from Moon Rasi is not necessarily wrong. Probably, that is

what

> > the

> > > > experienced translators might have done. Just like any other

> > shloka

> > > > taken from classics and put to test, I believe considering

> > > > Mahapurusha yogas from Moon rasi gives us some clues, rather

than

> > > > just sticking to the shlokas.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are right Guru tatwa which flows through Lord Shiva will

> > > > express

> > > > > itself to the true seeker through any medium. I have always

held

> > > > that

> > > > > Pt. Gopeshkumar's commentaries on classics are some of the

best

> > > > that are

> > > > > available, as he was not dogmatic and always gave Pramana

for

> > any

> > > > > argument that he presents. His commentary on Jataka Parijat

is

> > also

> > > > one

> > > > > of the best such commentary. If you do not have it, do get

it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha is most respectable to me despite

the

> > few

> > > > errors. I

> > > > > > have not had the fortune of having a formal guru for

> > astrology.

> > > > Whatever

> > > > > > little I learnt was from books and discussions with

whomsoever

> > > > had any

> > > > > > knowledge. "Phaldeepika" by Punditji, incidently, was the

> > first

> > > > book I

> > > > > > ever

> > > > > > read on hindu astrology. Just by its principles, I could

> > predict.

> > > > At that

> > > > > > time, I did not even know that Brihat Parasara Hora

Shastra

> > > > existed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me, Lord Shiva is the teacher for it is he who

manifests

> > in

> > > > every

> > > > > > teacher and makes them so. I would never disregard to

> > disrespect

> > > > such a

> > > > > > teacher. I am glad you too hold him in high esteem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > That does happen with everyone. The key to the

translation

> > is

> > > > the order

> > > > > > > of shlokas and what they cover. Gopeshkumar was a very

> > learned

> > > > person ad

> > > > > > > has brought many less known texts to light. When one is

> > doing

> > > > so much,

> > > > > > > one can sometime make a mistake. That does not detract

from

> > his

> > > > > > > "Paanditya"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification. I suppose it turned

out

> > to

> > > > be an

> > > > > > > > erroneous

> > > > > > > > translation of Sanskrit by Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha. He

has

> > > > repeated the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > words in another translation - I think it is

> > Jatakalankaar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In any case, thank you for your email as it clarifies

the

> > > > issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > The Sanskrit shlokas appear in Gopeshkumarji's

> > translation

> > > > also. I

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > Gopeshkumar, whom I respect much, perhaps

misinterpreted

> > > > the shloka.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > shloka says "Lagnedorapi" (1st word shloka 4

Chapter 6)

> > > > meaning the

> > > > > > > > > Grahas should be in Kendra from Lagna and also

should

> > be in

> > > > Kendra

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > Chandra. Had it been "Lagnedu vaa" or even "Lagnendu

> > vaapi"

> > > > it would

> > > > > > > > > indicate that the grahas should be in Kendra from

lagna

> > > > or/and Moon.

> > > > > > > > > "Lagnedorapi"  appearing, is in context with earlier

> > shloka

> > > > 3 and

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > mean that when a Graha occupies Kendra in own or

> > exaltation

> > > > rasi,

> > > > > > > > > Chandra should also occupy another Kendra. This

would

> > bring

> > > > the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kendra to both Lagna and Chandra. This is in line

with

> > basic

> > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > of astrology as Chandra would get strength from

> > occupying a

> > > > > > Kendra. It

> > > > > > > > > is said that strength of Chandra is the seed of

> > strength of

> > > > all

> > > > > > > grahas.

> > > > > > > > > So the graha will receive additional strength

besides

> > > > strength

> > > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > from occupation of own/exaltation rasi. It is when

this

> > > > condition is

> > > > > > > > > satisfied that Mantreshwar says that the Jataka will

> > become

> > > > a King

> > > > > > > > > amongst Kings. This condition not being satisfied,

he

> > says

> > > > that the

> > > > > > > > > person will be a commander of army for Ruchaka

yoga, a

> > > > learned king

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > Bhadra yoga, beautiful and appreciated by the Sajjan

> > (good

> > > > > > people) and

> > > > > > > > > partaker of good food in Hamsa yoga,  valorous,

strong,

> > > > learned and

> > > > > > > > > prosperous for Malavya yoga and powerful, leader of

a

> > city

> > > > or a

> > > > > > king,

> > > > > > > > > praised by all but not having good behavior in fact

and

> > so

> > > > on for

> > > > > > > Shasha

> > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the matter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The phaldeepika I possess does not have Sanskrit

> > > > Translation,

> > > > > > just a

> > > > > > > > > > commentary of Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha in Hindi. Can

you

> > > > guide me

> > > > > > to a

> > > > > > > > > > translation of Phaldeepika?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is, because Pt. Ojha on Page 111

on

> > his

> > > > > > translation

> > > > > > > > > > writes

> > > > > > > > > > this in hindi and I translate "That one must keep

it

> > in

> > > > mind that

> > > > > > > > > > Mantreshawar Maharaj has said that if the 5 grahas

> > are in

> > > > the

> > > > > > Kendra

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Moon in Swarashi or Uccharashi, then it is

considered

> > as

> > > > similar

> > > > > > > > to yoga

> > > > > > > > > > from lagna".

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I wonder where and which sholka has Mantreshwar

> > Maharaj

> > > > said so.

> > > > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > > date,

> > > > > > > > > > I have not used the usage of Mahapurusha Yogas

from

> > Moon,

> > > > but

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > find out if it has been said by the classical

texts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 5/14/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon in strength may not necessarily

mean

> > > > that the

> > > > > > > > yogas are

> > > > > > > > > > > to be read from Moon.. It would mean Moon with

Paksha

> > > > bala and

> > > > > > > > Lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > > strength, the yoga causing graha being with

strength

> > > > and not

> > > > > > > > blemished

> > > > > > > > > > > by association of other grahas, especially

malefics.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By the way, Phaladeepika does not say that the

yogas

> > > > are to be

> > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > respect to Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > > > >   I felt that you were wrong in stating that

the

> > > > MahaPrush

> > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > originate either from the Lagna or the Moon. 

I

> > was

> > > > under the

> > > > > > > > > > > > impression that it should originate from

lagna.

> > > > Thanks for

> > > > > > > > insisting

> > > > > > > > > > > > that it could originate either from the Lagna

or

> > the

> > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >   I looked up my copy of Phala deepika

translated

> > by

> > > > G. S.

> > > > > > > Kapoor.

> > > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 6 (page 62) where we read:

> > > > > > > > > > > >   "These five yogas have been named as Pancha

> > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jataka Parijata has defined these Yogas as

under:-

> > > > > > > > > > > >     According as Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

Venus or

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > possessing

> > > > > > > > > > > > the greatest strength and occupying a kendra

is in

> > > > > > Moolatrikona,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swakshetra or Swochcha, the resulting

Rajayogas

> > will

> > > > be named

> > > > > > > > > Ruchaka,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa the

beautiful."

> > > > > > > > > > > >    According to Saravali, "Venus, Mars,

Saturn,

> > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > remaining in their respective own houses or

> > > > exaltation signs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > identical with kendra cause Malavya, Ruchuka,

> > Sasa,

> > > > Hamsa and

> > > > > > > > Bhadra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogas respectively."

> > > > > > > > > > > >    But it is imperative that Yogas will the

> > promised

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > the Lagna or Moon and Yoga forming planets are

> > > > without

> > > > > > blemish.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > > other words they are vested with strength and

not

> > > > associated

> > > > > > > > with or

> > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction with malefics, are not combust

and

> > not

> > > > placed

> > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > malefics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >   The book contains charts of Stalin - with

> > planetary

> > > > > > formations

> > > > > > > > > > > > making up Ruchaka and Malavya yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >   Dr. Radha Krishnan  - Bhadra Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > >   Motilal Nehru - Hamsa Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > >   Jawarlal Nehru - Malavya Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > >   Sardar Patel - Sasa and Ruchuka Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >   David

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Dear Satya,

That is true.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> Dear Sri Chandrasekhar,

>

> I understand your viewpoint, and I value it.

>

> We do have differences among the translators' translations, as this

> one, that cause us differ in the way we interpret.

>

> Thanks

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> > It is unfortunate that you do not have Sanskrit fonts. Otherwise

> you

> > could have read the original Sanskrit shloka and agreed to the

> > translation given. If you read the transliterated portion in roman

> > script, you may be able to understand what is written in the shloka.

> >

> > Not being conversant with Telugu, I will not be able to comment on

> the

> > translation of Mr. Kameshwara.

> >

> >  The topic was Maha Purusha yoga and whether classics say that the

> yoga

> > is also to be seen from Kendra from Chandra or not. My comments are

> > limited to that part only. What Jataka Parijata mentions is very

> clear.

> >

> > As to whether grahas in Kendra from Chandra are of significance or

> not

> > is a different matter. Since One can look at a chart from the

> strongest

> > amongst Surya, Chandra and Lagna, and graha in Kendra from either

> of

> > them, and with strength, will act as Paraspara karaka for the

> respective

> > lagnas and help deliver results of that lagna to the fullest.

> Whether

> > the results would be similar to Mahapurusha yoga is a matter that

> is not

> > known. If we look at Amala yoga, I think its results indicates that

> they

> > would not be so as Amala yoga arises when a graha is placed in 10th

> > bhava from Chandra. Or look at the results of Gajkesari yoga which

> needs

> > Guru to be in Kendra from Chandra, the results differ from that of

> Hamsa

> > yoga. This is also one of the reasons that I think Mahapurusha

> yogas are

> > not to be applied from moon, but only from lagna.

> >

> > Of course, this is my personal opinion and those more knowledgeable

> than

> > me could hold a different view, on the subject.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > Dear Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >

> > > As I don't have the necessary Sanskrit font, I was unable to read

> the

> > > shloka properly. However, I checked in Jataka Parijatha again. It

> is

> > > the 59th Shloka in Chapter 7. So I believe we must be talking

> about

> > > the same shloka.

> > >

> > > I am referring to the Telugu translation by Sri Upadrashta

> Kameswara

> > > Rao published by Gollapudi Veeraswamy Publications, Rajahmundry.

> Most

> > > Telugu based astrologers consider this book as the authentic

> > > translation. The translator clearly mentioned that the Mahapurusha

> > > Yoga applies from Lagna as well as Chandra.

> > >

> > > I am reiterating what I wrote before. A planet in strength, in

> own or

> > > exalted house and in Kendra from Moon has its own significations,

> > > even though we don't necessarily call it a Maha purusha yoga.. The

> > > results in such a case are similar to those that are mentioned

> with

> > > respect to the planet in kendra from Lagna. What I mean is that

> the

> > > translators must have experienced such results and hence must have

> > > included Chandra lagna also in their translations. That is why in

> > > some translations we may see such an interpretation, though not

> > > explicitly mentioned in the shloka.

> > >

> > > When I consider my exalted Budha in kendra from Moon akin to

> Bhadra

> > > Mahapurusha Yoga, I am referring not only to the maha dasha, but

> also

> > > to the physical charateristics and the special marks in the palm.

> A

> > > number of characteristics do match to me. I also do palmistry and

> > > therefore attempted to view these marks differentiating them other

> > > major and minor lines and their intersections on the palm. After I

> > > clearly observed these comparable features, it lead me to believe

> > > that the kendra position from Moon also might be sensible, as

> > > suggested by some translators.

> > >

> > > As it is happening with a number of shlokas picked from different

> > > classics (which are being researched by knowledged and experienced

> > > astrologers these days), I felt it may be sensible to interpret

> Maha

> > > purusha yoga from Moon lagna also even though the original author

> may

> > > not have mentioned explicitly so.

> > >

> > > I do agree that exalted Mercury gives good results in its dasha,

> but

> > > I strongly consider its kendra position from Moon has added

> > > additional strength to exalted Mercury.

> > >

> > > I hope I clarified my viewpoint, and welcome your opinion.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > >

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satya,

> > > >

> > > > I am unable to find the shloka you are mentioning in Jataka

> > > Parijata,

> > > > for Mahapurusha yoga. As far as I know, Jataka Parijata says at

> CH7

> > > > shloka 59:

> > > >

> > > > mUliÇkae[injtu¼g&haepyata ÉaEm}jIvistÉanusuta bilóa>,

> > > >

> > > > mülatrikoëanijatuìgagåhopayätä bhaumajïajévasitabhänusutä

> baliñöhäù|

> > > >

> > > > keNÔiSwta yid tda êcÉÔh<smalVycaêzzyaegkra ÉviNt.59.

> > > >

> > > > kendrasthitä yadi tadä rücabhadrahaàsamälavyacärüçaçayogakarä

> > > bhavanti||59||

> > > >

> > > > _When Mangal, Budha, Guru, Shukra or Shani occupy their

> > > Moolatrikona,

> > > > own or exaltation rasi in strength and should they be placed in

> a

> > > > Kendra, Ruchaka, Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Shasha yogas occur._

> > > >

> > > > Are you referring to any other shloka? Is there any other

> edition

> > > of

> > > > jataka Parijata that gives any other shloka, that is with you?

> > > > I hope you are not referring to subsequent shlokas that give

> > > additional

> > > > results on account of even one of Dharmesha (9th lord), Labhesha

> > > (11th

> > > > lord) or Dhanesha (2nd lord) being in Kendra to Chandra, Guru

> being

> > > the

> > > > lord of Labha, for Ruchaka yoga jataka getting unlimited

> Kingdom.

> > > >

> > > > The shloka appears in Sanskrit 99 and ULW Palladio IT fonts in

> > > alternate

> > > > lines beginning with the first line.

> > > >

> > > > Awaiting your response.

> > > >

> > > > By the way, it is not only a Panch Mahapurusha yoga that gives

> good

> > > > results in the dasha of a graha. So only because you had good

> > > Mercury

> > > > dasha, by itself would not prove that when Mercury is in Kendra

> > > from

> > > > Moon would indicate that the yoga is Panch Mahapurusha yoga.

> > > Manasagari

> > > > says that if Sun or Moon join graha causing Mahapurusha yoga,

> the

> > > yoga

> > > > is broken. Saravali also says similar thing.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Satya Sai Kolachina wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sri Chandrasekhar, Bharat and others,

> > > > >

> > > > > In Jataka Parijatham (Vaidyanatha Kritha), the author (or

> > > translator)

> > > > > expressed the view of seeing the Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas

> from

> > > Moon

> > > > > also. The author says, that the mahapurusha yoga occurs when

> any

> > > of

> > > > > these five (Mars, Merc, Jup, Venus, Saturn) planets is/are

> > > located in

> > > > > own house or exaltation, and in a kendra from either Lagna or

> > > Moon.

> > > > > He did not say Moon or Lagna whichever is strong. He clarly

> said

> > > > > either of them, which means he gave equal importance to Moon

> Rasi

> > > as

> > > > > of Lagna itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think different translators differ in the interpretations,

> and

> > > may

> > > > > be influenced by their own views/experiences.

> > > > >

> > > > > My opinion:

> > > > >

> > > > > I myself have exalted Mercury in a kendra from Moon (not from

> > > Lagna)

> > > > > and I believe my Mercury Maha dasha has been excellent and

> gave me

> > > > > unexpected rise in life. I am not a public figure but

> compared to

> > > > > where I was before and where I am, I see a change of very high

> > > > > magniture. I believe I have some of the characteristics of

> Bhadra

> > > > > Maha purusha yoga, though we may not accept it that way or

> call it

> > > > > that way. My opinion is, a planet in strength in kendra from

> Moon

> > > has

> > > > > its own significance, whether we call it a maha purusha yoga

> or

> > > not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have Sasa Maha Purusha Yoga from Lagna. Saturn maha

> dasha

> > > also

> > > > > gave me spectacular results (after extreme hardwork, because

> Sa in

> > > > > Kendra).

> > > > >

> > > > > If I compare the two Maha dashas, I may have to say that my

> Merc

> > > Maha

> > > > > dasha seems to be more superior in its results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also one of my daughters has Bhadra maha purusha yoga with

> > > exalted in

> > > > > Mercury in 10th house along with Sun (with directional

> strength

> > > also

> > > > > forming Budha Aditya yoga in 10th house (with Sa in Moola

> Trikona

> > > not

> > > > > kendra) from Lagna and she has resemblences like

> characteristics,

> > > > > behavior, grasping abilities and such things very similar to

> me

> > > and I

> > > > > always remember my childhood when I interact with her. She

> also

> > > has a

> > > > > Neecha Bhanga raja yoga with Venus in Kanya, thus forming

> total

> > > of 3

> > > > > or 4 rajayogas in the 10th house (hers is Dhanur lagna). I am

> > > waiting

> > > > > to see her Budha maha dasha. She still has 7 yrs of Sa maha

> dasha

> > > to

> > > > > go. She is doing pretty well in Sa dasha also as Sa is in

> Moola

> > > > > trikona.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, I personally believe that considering Maha purusha

> yoga

> > > > > from Moon Rasi is not necessarily wrong. Probably, that is

> what

> > > the

> > > > > experienced translators might have done. Just like any other

> > > shloka

> > > > > taken from classics and put to test, I believe considering

> > > > > Mahapurusha yogas from Moon rasi gives us some clues, rather

> than

> > > > > just sticking to the shlokas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are right Guru tatwa which flows through Lord Shiva will

> > > > > express

> > > > > > itself to the true seeker through any medium. I have always

> held

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Pt. Gopeshkumar's commentaries on classics are some of the

> best

> > > > > that are

> > > > > > available, as he was not dogmatic and always gave Pramana

> for

> > > any

> > > > > > argument that he presents. His commentary on Jataka Parijat

> is

> > > also

> > > > > one

> > > > > > of the best such commentary. If you do not have it, do get

> it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha is most respectable to me despite

> the

> > > few

> > > > > errors. I

> > > > > > > have not had the fortune of having a formal guru for

> > > astrology.

> > > > > Whatever

> > > > > > > little I learnt was from books and discussions with

> whomsoever

> > > > > had any

> > > > > > > knowledge. "Phaldeepika" by Punditji, incidently, was the

> > > first

> > > > > book I

> > > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > read on hindu astrology. Just by its principles, I could

> > > predict.

> > > > > At that

> > > > > > > time, I did not even know that Brihat Parasara Hora

> Shastra

> > > > > existed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For me, Lord Shiva is the teacher for it is he who

> manifests

> > > in

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > teacher and makes them so. I would never disregard to

> > > disrespect

> > > > > such a

> > > > > > > teacher. I am glad you too hold him in high esteem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > That does happen with everyone. The key to the

> translation

> > > is

> > > > > the order

> > > > > > > > of shlokas and what they cover. Gopeshkumar was a very

> > > learned

> > > > > person ad

> > > > > > > > has brought many less known texts to light. When one is

> > > doing

> > > > > so much,

> > > > > > > > one can sometime make a mistake. That does not detract

> from

> > > his

> > > > > > > > "Paanditya"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification. I suppose it turned

> out

> > > to

> > > > > be an

> > > > > > > > > erroneous

> > > > > > > > > translation of Sanskrit by Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha. He

> has

> > > > > repeated the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > words in another translation - I think it is

> > > Jatakalankaar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In any case, thank you for your email as it clarifies

> the

> > > > > issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > > > > > > The Sanskrit shlokas appear in Gopeshkumarji's

> > > translation

> > > > > also. I

> > > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > > Gopeshkumar, whom I respect much, perhaps

> misinterpreted

> > > > > the shloka.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > shloka says "Lagnedorapi" (1st word shloka 4

> Chapter 6)

> > > > > meaning the

> > > > > > > > > > Grahas should be in Kendra from Lagna and also

> should

> > > be in

> > > > > Kendra

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra. Had it been "Lagnedu vaa" or even "Lagnendu

> > > vaapi"

> > > > > it would

> > > > > > > > > > indicate that the grahas should be in Kendra from

> lagna

> > > > > or/and Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > "Lagnedorapi"  appearing, is in context with earlier

> > > shloka

> > > > > 3 and

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > mean that when a Graha occupies Kendra in own or

> > > exaltation

> > > > > rasi,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra should also occupy another Kendra. This

> would

> > > bring

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Kendra to both Lagna and Chandra. This is in line

> with

> > > basic

> > > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > > of astrology as Chandra would get strength from

> > > occupying a

> > > > > > > Kendra. It

> > > > > > > > > > is said that strength of Chandra is the seed of

> > > strength of

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > grahas.

> > > > > > > > > > So the graha will receive additional strength

> besides

> > > > > strength

> > > > > > > > obtained

> > > > > > > > > > from occupation of own/exaltation rasi. It is when

> this

> > > > > condition is

> > > > > > > > > > satisfied that Mantreshwar says that the Jataka will

> > > become

> > > > > a King

> > > > > > > > > > amongst Kings. This condition not being satisfied,

> he

> > > says

> > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > > > person will be a commander of army for Ruchaka

> yoga, a

> > > > > learned king

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Bhadra yoga, beautiful and appreciated by the Sajjan

> > > (good

> > > > > > > people) and

> > > > > > > > > > partaker of good food in Hamsa yoga,  valorous,

> strong,

> > > > > learned and

> > > > > > > > > > prosperous for Malavya yoga and powerful, leader of

> a

> > > city

> > > > > or a

> > > > > > > king,

> > > > > > > > > > praised by all but not having good behavior in fact

> and

> > > so

> > > > > on for

> > > > > > > > Shasha

> > > > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the matter.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The phaldeepika I possess does not have Sanskrit

> > > > > Translation,

> > > > > > > just a

> > > > > > > > > > > commentary of Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha in Hindi. Can

> you

> > > > > guide me

> > > > > > > to a

> > > > > > > > > > > translation of Phaldeepika?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is, because Pt. Ojha on Page 111

> on

> > > his

> > > > > > > translation

> > > > > > > > > > > writes

> > > > > > > > > > > this in hindi and I translate "That one must keep

> it

> > > in

> > > > > mind that

> > > > > > > > > > > Mantreshawar Maharaj has said that if the 5 grahas

> > > are in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Kendra

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon in Swarashi or Uccharashi, then it is

> considered

> > > as

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > to yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > from lagna".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I wonder where and which sholka has Mantreshwar

> > > Maharaj

> > > > > said so.

> > > > > > > > Till

> > > > > > > > > > > date,

> > > > > > > > > > > I have not used the usage of Mahapurusha Yogas

> from

> > > Moon,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > like to

> > > > > > > > > > > find out if it has been said by the classical

> texts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/14/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna and Moon in strength may not necessarily

> mean

> > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > > yogas are

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be read from Moon. It would mean Moon with

> Paksha

> > > > > bala and

> > > > > > > > > Lagna in

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength, the yoga causing graha being with

> strength

> > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > blemished

> > > > > > > > > > > > by association of other grahas, especially

> malefics.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, Phaladeepika does not say that the

> yogas

> > > > > are to be

> > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > respect to Moon..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   I felt that you were wrong in stating that

> the

> > > > > MahaPrush

> > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.

> I

> > > was

> > > > > under the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > impression that it should originate from

> lagna.

> > > > > Thanks for

> > > > > > > > > insisting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that it could originate either from the Lagna

> or

> > > the

> > > > > Moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   I looked up my copy of Phala deepika

> translated

> > > by

> > > > > G. S.

> > > > > > > > Kapoor.

> > > > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 6 (page 62) where we read:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   "These five yogas have been named as Pancha

> > > > > Mahapurusha

> > > > > > > Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jataka Parijata has defined these Yogas as

> under:-

> > > > > > > > > > > > >     According as Mars, Mercury, Jupiter,

> Venus or

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > possessing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatest strength and occupying a kendra

> is in

> > > > > > > Moolatrikona,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swakshetra or Swochcha, the resulting

> Rajayogas

> > > will

> > > > > be named

> > > > > > > > > > Ruchaka,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa the

> beautiful."

> > > > > > > > > > > > >    According to Saravali, "Venus, Mars,

> Saturn,

> > > > > Jupiter and

> > > > > > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remaining in their respective own houses or

> > > > > exaltation signs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > identical with kendra cause Malavya, Ruchuka,

> > > Sasa,

> > > > > Hamsa and

> > > > > > > > > Bhadra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogas respectively."

> > > > > > > > > > > > >    But it is imperative that Yogas will the

> > > promised

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the Lagna or Moon and Yoga forming planets are

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > blemish.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other words they are vested with strength and

> not

> > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > with or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction with malefics, are not combust

> and

> > > not

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > > > > > malefics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The book contains charts of Stalin - with

> > > planetary

> > > > > > > formations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > making up Ruchaka and Malavya yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dr. Radha Krishnan  - Bhadra Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Motilal Nehru - Hamsa Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Jawarlal Nehru - Malavya Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Sardar Patel - Sasa and Ruchuka Yogas.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >   David

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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