Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Namah Shivayah, I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's post reminded me that I have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see what the differing opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people comment on the tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am referring to arguing, not treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" things like pushing each other, speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I have seen this a lot and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I would expect to see such behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and that it is pretty much what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" can tend to come out. Is it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against each other? Is it all part of the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it something as simple as the fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small environment tension will arise? Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only been a devotee for two years, and I suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions with devotees would be at least pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything she teaches. I cannot say that all of my experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact some have been utterly beautiful.And I am not talking about the regular conflicts and arguments that will arise. I am talking about smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or getting elbowed out of someones way because they want to get ahead or any number of very disappointing interactions. I have been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my heart. Perhaps I am too sensitive. I remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room during my first retreat because I could not believe how horrible people were treating each other in the presence of Amma. Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on ALL the time and that everyone is this way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I would expect for such a setting. I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if perhaps there are any deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a question that has no answer .. In Amma's Service, Ananthasree Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Ananthasree, i am not saying it's easy, but try considering everything as a test and try temba's suggestion of witnessing it's all there for our benefit; amma wants us to go beyond feeling good, loving and forgiving only when everything in our environment is peaceful it's definitely a Challenge amma bless, amarnath Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree> wrote: > > Namah Shivayah, > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's post reminded me that I > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see what the differing > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people comment on the > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am referring to arguing, not > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" things like pushing each other, > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I have seen this a lot > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I would expect to see such > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and that it is pretty much > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" can tend to come out. Is > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against each other? Is it all part of > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it something as simple as the > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small environment tension will > arise? > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only been a devotee for two years, and I > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions with devotees would be at least > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything she teaches. I cannot say that all of my > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact some have been utterly beautiful.And I am > not talking about the regular conflicts and arguments that will arise. I am talking about > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or getting elbowed out of someones way > because they want to get ahead or any number of very disappointing interactions. I have > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my heart. Perhaps I am too sensitive. I > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room during my first retreat because I > could not believe how horrible people were treating each other in the presence of Amma. > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on ALL the time and that everyone is this > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I would expect for such a setting. > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if perhaps there are any > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a question that has no answer > . > > In Amma's Service, > > Ananthasree > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 This past November I had to get out of the token line because of all of the pushing and shoving. I have never experienced anything like it in the U.S. - or anywhere else for that matter. Total crowd crush. As for the rudeness, it seems that as the crowds got bigger over the years, people became more rude. It probably could also be that things get stirred up too. Remember how notorious NYC was for its rudeness, then the mayor insisted that people be nice, and people were. I think that if rudeness is tolerated, then people will be rude. If people are expected to treat each other with love and respect, then they will. Just my 2c Ananthasree wrote: > Namah Shivayah, > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's post > reminded me that I > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see what > the differing > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people > comment on the > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am > referring to arguing, not > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" things > like pushing each other, > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I > have seen this a lot > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I would > expect to see such > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and > that it is pretty much > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" can > tend to come out. Is > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against > each other? Is it all part of > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it > something as simple as the > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small > environment tension will > arise? > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only been a devotee for > two years, and I > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions with devotees > would be at least > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything she teaches. I > cannot say that all of my > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact some have been > utterly beautiful.And I am > not talking about the regular conflicts and arguments that will arise. > I am talking about > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or getting elbowed > out of someones way > because they want to get ahead or any number of very disappointing > interactions. I have > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my heart. Perhaps I am > too sensitive. I > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room during my first > retreat because I > could not believe how horrible people were treating each other in the > presence of Amma. > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on ALL the time and > that everyone is this > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I would expect for > such a setting. > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if > perhaps there are any > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a > question that has no answer > . > > In Amma's Service, > > Ananthasree > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > <>. > > > ------ > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group " Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 everyone is a teacher.some teach what to do.some teach what not to do..,however we are all teachers.....did you notice that there are some on the that return sarcasm for sarcasm .on the other hand there are some that return only love..we all learn and grow at different levels. its really never about what any one else is doing as far as spiritual growth is concerned.no path condones this.AMMAs sun use to get mad at the new age world because the ancient truths didnt seem to be reaching the ghetto.AMMA within this child ,basically said"why are you wasting time with all this nonsense thinking.do something about it"...within days ,this child was teaching the OM chant to three year olders in HARLEM ghettos. the thing is to be aware of not becoming what we despise ourselves..if you see someone being mean,go out your way to be kind..AMMAs sun was kicked out of a CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AFTER they found out he was a AMMA devotee..this was after being praised by them for having such a big heart and doing a lot of outreach in the slumbs of illionois.. they blessed ths child by kicking him out,for they gave him excuse to love and forgive.to this day AMMAs sun loves the pastor and would hug him with all of his heart if he saw him right now.. it is hard dear sister ananthsaree, but we have the capacity to do it.AMMA wouldnt of said we could do it if we couldnt..now is is up to us to believe wth all of our hearts that HER words are true and work with everything we have towards the goal. of attainment... >"amarnath" <anatol_zinc > >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Fri, 19 May 2006 23:29:15 -0000 > >Dear Ananthasree, > >i am not saying it's easy, but try >considering everything as a test and try temba's suggestion of >witnessing > >it's all there for our benefit; >amma wants us to go beyond feeling good, loving and forgiving only >when everything in our environment is peaceful > >it's definitely a Challenge > >amma bless, >amarnath > >Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree> >wrote: > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's >post reminded me that I > > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see >what the differing > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people >comment on the > > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am >referring to arguing, not > > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" >things like pushing each other, > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. >I have seen this a lot > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I >would expect to see such > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected >and that it is pretty much > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" >can tend to come out. Is > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against >each other? Is it all part of > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it >something as simple as the > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small >environment tension will > > arise? > > > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only been a devotee >for two years, and I > > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions with devotees >would be at least > > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything she teaches. I >cannot say that all of my > > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact some have been >utterly beautiful.And I am > > not talking about the regular conflicts and arguments that will >arise. I am talking about > > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or getting >elbowed out of someones way > > because they want to get ahead or any number of very disappointing >interactions. I have > > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my heart. Perhaps I >am too sensitive. I > > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room during my first >retreat because I > > could not believe how horrible people were treating each other in >the presence of Amma. > > > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on ALL the time >and that everyone is this > > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I would expect >for such a setting. > > > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if >perhaps there are any > > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a >question that has no answer > > . > > > > In Amma's Service, > > > > Ananthasree > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Anantharsee, There is so much going on at one time. I was at my first retreat last summer. I had some truly amazing experiences, and some unpleasant as well. Someone, not feeling comfortable with anything that I said, and even trying to avoid me! Then someone else coming up to me the very next minute and asking if they could eat lunch with me. There are tests happening, and they are personal to each of us. Amma knows what is happening with each of us, every moment we are there! I think a lot of the negative stuff coming up is because of Amma's Shakti...we are being purified..and all that is not of Love is shown for what it is. Everyone is in their own level of spiritual awakening. Amma as well, gives us what we need. So everything that happens when in Amma's presence has significance. It is a chance to look at ourselves and witness our silliness. If we were at that place of Love, then nothing at all would bother us, no one would be able to ruffle our feathers. I have heard this question asked on another list in a different way. And even though Amma is present, there is still a lot of maya happening all around Her. But this too is what this whole reality is about. So it should be no different with her, because once she is gone physically, we have to be able to survive the constant challenges we face each day and still be in that place of Love and Peace. In fact, I suggest that you let go of the worry that you have had with past experiences, and be open to the amazing experiences that await you this time around. Hope this helps. ONS amarnath Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree> wrote: > > Namah Shivayah, > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's post reminded me that I > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see what the differing > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people comment on the > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am referring to arguing, not > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" things like pushing each other, > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I have seen this a lot > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I would expect to see such > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and that it is pretty much > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" can tend to come out. Is > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against each other? Is it all part of > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it something as simple as the > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small environment tension will > arise? > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only been a devotee for two years, and I > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions with devotees would be at least > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything she teaches. I cannot say that all of my > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact some have been utterly beautiful.And I am > not talking about the regular conflicts and arguments that will arise. I am talking about > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or getting elbowed out of someones way > because they want to get ahead or any number of very disappointing interactions. I have > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my heart. Perhaps I am too sensitive. I > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room during my first retreat because I > could not believe how horrible people were treating each other in the presence of Amma. > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on ALL the time and that everyone is this > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I would expect for such a setting. > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if perhaps there are any > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a question that has no answer > . > > In Amma's Service, > > Ananthasree > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Terms of Service. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 ah yes.open to the new experiences.open hearted and fearless.knowing and having strong faith that you are allways procted ,safe and loved always by HER...when is all said and done that is what we will return to.. >Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Fri, 19 May 2006 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > >Dear Anantharsee, > >There is so much going on at one time. I was at my >first retreat last summer. > >I had some truly amazing experiences, and some >unpleasant as well. Someone, not feeling comfortable >with anything that I said, and even trying to avoid >me! > >Then someone else coming up to me the very next minute >and asking if they could eat lunch with me. > >There are tests happening, and they are personal to >each of us. > >Amma knows what is happening with each of us, every >moment we are there! > >I think a lot of the negative stuff coming up is >because of Amma's Shakti...we are being purified..and >all that is not of Love is shown for what it is. > >Everyone is in their own level of spiritual awakening. > > >Amma as well, gives us what we need. So everything >that happens when in Amma's presence has significance. > >It is a chance to look at ourselves and witness our >silliness. > >If we were at that place of Love, then nothing at all >would bother us, no one would be able to ruffle our >feathers. > >I have heard this question asked on another list in a >different way. And even though Amma is present, there >is still a lot of maya happening all around Her. But >this too is what this whole reality is about. > >So it should be no different with her, because once >she is gone physically, we have to be able to survive >the constant challenges we face each day and still be >in that place of Love and Peace. > >In fact, I suggest that you let go of the worry that >you have had with past experiences, and be open to the >amazing experiences that await you this time around. > >Hope this helps. >ONS > >amarnath > >Ammachi, "Ananthasree" ><ananthasree> >wrote: > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because >Pahari Maa's >post reminded me that I > > have always wanted to pose this question to >devotees, just to see >what the differing > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard >many people >comment on the > > tension that arises between some devotees during >retreats. I am >referring to arguing, not > > treating each other with respect and all of the >other "little" >things like pushing each other, > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being >mean, I suppose. >I have seen this a lot > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the >last place I >would expect to see such > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to >be expected >and that it is pretty much > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of >the "negative" >can tend to come out. Is > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos >clashing against >each other? Is it all part of > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the >opposite? Or is it >something as simple as the > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers >into a small >environment tension will > > arise? > > > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only >been a devotee >for two years, and I > > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions >with devotees >would be at least > > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything >she teaches. I >cannot say that all of my > > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact >some have been >utterly beautiful.And I am > > not talking about the regular conflicts and >arguments that will >arise. I am talking about > > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or >getting >elbowed out of someones way > > because they want to get ahead or any number of very >disappointing >interactions. I have > > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my >heart. Perhaps I >am too sensitive. I > > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room >during my first >retreat because I > > could not believe how horrible people were treating >each other in >the presence of Amma. > > > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on >ALL the time >and that everyone is this > > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I >would expect >for such a setting. > > > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why >this may be, if >perhaps there are any > > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am >just asking a >question that has no answer > > . > > > > In Amma's Service, > > > > Ananthasree > > > > > > > > >Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata >amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > >Terms of Service. > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Namah Shivayah, Oh, how I aspire to all of this! It just seems that when I greet someone with a sincere "Namah Shivayah" and I am greeted with a snarl, I find it hard not to feel hurt by that. Or if I am sitting by Amma and someone leaps over me, practically crushing me without saying a word, I feel hurt as well by this lack of respect. It really breaks my heart because sometimes I want to just yell, "IS ANYONE LISTENING TO AMMA?". I mean, I sort of didn't expect this kind of behavior and it is very disheartening. What is the best way to handle these situations without feeling hurt...or disappointed...or dumbfounded as to how those who are in the presence of the GREATEST GIFT can manifest sarcasm, ego, rudeness and on and on??? I will admit that maybe this is my problem because I am too sensitive. I try to react toward those who behave this way with love...but that seems to make it even worse!! IT'S HARD because I want to be hugging the same people who are shooting the energetic equivalent of guns. I am so frustrated by this the more I think of it. It makes me filled with anxiety over the upcoming retreats because I go to retreats to get away from the insane ego- mindedness, lack of respect and lack of compassion in my daily life and to interact with those who are on the PATH OF LOVE AND COMPASSION. WHERE IS THE LOVE? Oh Amma, help this ignorant child of yours! Fumbling toward understanding, Ananthasree Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits> wrote: > > ah yes.open to the new experiences.open hearted and fearless.knowing and > having strong faith that you are allways procted ,safe and loved always by > HER...when is all said and done that is what we will return to.. > > > >Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer> > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > >Re: Re: A Gift And A Challenge > >Fri, 19 May 2006 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Dear Anantharsee, > > > >There is so much going on at one time. I was at my > >first retreat last summer. > > > >I had some truly amazing experiences, and some > >unpleasant as well. Someone, not feeling comfortable > >with anything that I said, and even trying to avoid > >me! > > > >Then someone else coming up to me the very next minute > >and asking if they could eat lunch with me. > > > >There are tests happening, and they are personal to > >each of us. > > > >Amma knows what is happening with each of us, every > >moment we are there! > > > >I think a lot of the negative stuff coming up is > >because of Amma's Shakti...we are being purified..and > >all that is not of Love is shown for what it is. > > > >Everyone is in their own level of spiritual awakening. > > > > > >Amma as well, gives us what we need. So everything > >that happens when in Amma's presence has significance. > > > >It is a chance to look at ourselves and witness our > >silliness. > > > >If we were at that place of Love, then nothing at all > >would bother us, no one would be able to ruffle our > >feathers. > > > >I have heard this question asked on another list in a > >different way. And even though Amma is present, there > >is still a lot of maya happening all around Her. But > >this too is what this whole reality is about. > > > >So it should be no different with her, because once > >she is gone physically, we have to be able to survive > >the constant challenges we face each day and still be > >in that place of Love and Peace. > > > >In fact, I suggest that you let go of the worry that > >you have had with past experiences, and be open to the > >amazing experiences that await you this time around. > > > >Hope this helps. > >ONS > > > >amarnath > > > >Ammachi, "Ananthasree" > ><ananthasree@> > >wrote: > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because > >Pahari Maa's > >post reminded me that I > > > have always wanted to pose this question to > >devotees, just to see > >what the differing > > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard > >many people > >comment on the > > > tension that arises between some devotees during > >retreats. I am > >referring to arguing, not > > > treating each other with respect and all of the > >other "little" > >things like pushing each other, > > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being > >mean, I suppose. > >I have seen this a lot > > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the > >last place I > >would expect to see such > > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to > >be expected > >and that it is pretty much > > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of > >the "negative" > >can tend to come out. Is > > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos > >clashing against > >each other? Is it all part of > > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the > >opposite? Or is it > >something as simple as the > > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers > >into a small > >environment tension will > > > arise? > > > > > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only > >been a devotee > >for two years, and I > > > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions > >with devotees > >would be at least > > > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything > >she teaches. I > >cannot say that all of my > > > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact > >some have been > >utterly beautiful.And I am > > > not talking about the regular conflicts and > >arguments that will > >arise. I am talking about > > > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or > >getting > >elbowed out of someones way > > > because they want to get ahead or any number of very > >disappointing > >interactions. I have > > > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my > >heart. Perhaps I > >am too sensitive. I > > > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room > >during my first > >retreat because I > > > could not believe how horrible people were treating > >each other in > >the presence of Amma. > > > > > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on > >ALL the time > >and that everyone is this > > > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I > >would expect > >for such a setting. > > > > > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why > >this may be, if > >perhaps there are any > > > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am > >just asking a > >question that has no answer > > > . > > > > > > In Amma's Service, > > > > > > Ananthasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > Mata > >amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > >Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 this is so beautiful as you are being so vunarable and thus you are trusting the HER process.AMMAs sun is very sensitive as well.it is not that this child dosent fall short.Its just that he believes with all of his heart in what MOTHER says is possible for him and thus this faith draws HER GRACE into this life in the form of experience victorys.experience victorys are where we not only read HER words ,but we get to know them through pure experience... the more faith you have in HER POWER,the deeper the expereince.you have the capacity as we all do ,but no one can force faith on anyone. as as far as AMMAs darling children coming to AMMAs darshan and behaving a certain way.what you see going on at darshan happens everyday in the lives of many,but the difference is that they are stepping over dead bodys ...we all need purification,which why SHE HAS COME.. dear sister you are placing your attenton on what happened in the past...which is gone . if we bring that which was in the past with us into the present,we will likely experience the same disappointment. >"Ananthasree" <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Sat, 20 May 2006 00:23:49 -0000 > >Namah Shivayah, > >Oh, how I aspire to all of this! It just seems that when I greet someone >with a sincere >"Namah Shivayah" and I am greeted with a snarl, I find it hard not to feel >hurt by that. Or if >I am sitting by Amma and someone leaps over me, practically crushing me >without saying >a word, I feel hurt as well by this lack of respect. It really breaks my >heart because >sometimes I want to just yell, "IS ANYONE LISTENING TO AMMA?". I mean, I >sort of didn't >expect this kind of behavior and it is very disheartening. What is the best >way to handle >these situations without feeling hurt...or disappointed...or dumbfounded as >to how those >who are in the presence of the GREATEST GIFT can manifest sarcasm, ego, >rudeness and >on and on??? > >I will admit that maybe this is my problem because I am too sensitive. I >try to react toward >those who behave this way with love...but that seems to make it even >worse!! IT'S HARD >because I want to be hugging the same people who are shooting the energetic >equivalent >of guns. I am so frustrated by this the more I think of it. It makes me >filled with anxiety >over the upcoming retreats because I go to retreats to get away from the >insane ego- >mindedness, lack of respect and lack of compassion in my daily life and to >interact with >those who are on the PATH OF LOVE AND COMPASSION. WHERE IS THE LOVE? > >Oh Amma, help this ignorant child of yours! > >Fumbling toward understanding, > >Ananthasree > > > > > >Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits wrote: > > > > ah yes.open to the new experiences.open hearted and fearless.knowing and > > having strong faith that you are allways procted ,safe and loved always >by > > HER...when is all said and done that is what we will return to.. > > > > > > >Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer > > >Ammachi > > >Ammachi > > >Re: Re: A Gift And A Challenge > > >Fri, 19 May 2006 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Dear Anantharsee, > > > > > >There is so much going on at one time. I was at my > > >first retreat last summer. > > > > > >I had some truly amazing experiences, and some > > >unpleasant as well. Someone, not feeling comfortable > > >with anything that I said, and even trying to avoid > > >me! > > > > > >Then someone else coming up to me the very next minute > > >and asking if they could eat lunch with me. > > > > > >There are tests happening, and they are personal to > > >each of us. > > > > > >Amma knows what is happening with each of us, every > > >moment we are there! > > > > > >I think a lot of the negative stuff coming up is > > >because of Amma's Shakti...we are being purified..and > > >all that is not of Love is shown for what it is. > > > > > >Everyone is in their own level of spiritual awakening. > > > > > > > > >Amma as well, gives us what we need. So everything > > >that happens when in Amma's presence has significance. > > > > > >It is a chance to look at ourselves and witness our > > >silliness. > > > > > >If we were at that place of Love, then nothing at all > > >would bother us, no one would be able to ruffle our > > >feathers. > > > > > >I have heard this question asked on another list in a > > >different way. And even though Amma is present, there > > >is still a lot of maya happening all around Her. But > > >this too is what this whole reality is about. > > > > > >So it should be no different with her, because once > > >she is gone physically, we have to be able to survive > > >the constant challenges we face each day and still be > > >in that place of Love and Peace. > > > > > >In fact, I suggest that you let go of the worry that > > >you have had with past experiences, and be open to the > > >amazing experiences that await you this time around. > > > > > >Hope this helps. > > >ONS > > > > > >amarnath > > > > > >Ammachi, "Ananthasree" > > ><ananthasree@> > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because > > >Pahari Maa's > > >post reminded me that I > > > > have always wanted to pose this question to > > >devotees, just to see > > >what the differing > > > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard > > >many people > > >comment on the > > > > tension that arises between some devotees during > > >retreats. I am > > >referring to arguing, not > > > > treating each other with respect and all of the > > >other "little" > > >things like pushing each other, > > > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being > > >mean, I suppose. > > >I have seen this a lot > > > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the > > >last place I > > >would expect to see such > > > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to > > >be expected > > >and that it is pretty much > > > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of > > >the "negative" > > >can tend to come out. Is > > > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos > > >clashing against > > >each other? Is it all part of > > > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the > > >opposite? Or is it > > >something as simple as the > > > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers > > >into a small > > >environment tension will > > > > arise? > > > > > > > > Maybe I am just an idealistic newbie. I have only > > >been a devotee > > >for two years, and I > > > > suppose I foolishly thought most of my interactions > > >with devotees > > >would be at least > > > > pleasant, as that is Amma's nature and everything > > >she teaches. I > > >cannot say that all of my > > > > experiences at retreats have been bitter,in fact > > >some have been > > >utterly beautiful.And I am > > > > not talking about the regular conflicts and > > >arguments that will > > >arise. I am talking about > > > > smiling at someone and getting a scowl in return, or > > >getting > > >elbowed out of someones way > > > > because they want to get ahead or any number of very > > >disappointing > > >interactions. I have > > > > been pondering this lately. It kind of breaks my > > >heart. Perhaps I > > >am too sensitive. I > > > > remember just bawling my eyes out in my hotel room > > >during my first > > >retreat because I > > > > could not believe how horrible people were treating > > >each other in > > >the presence of Amma. > > > > > > > > Again, I am not intimating that this is what goes on > > >ALL the time > > >and that everyone is this > > > > way...just that I have witnessed more of this than I > > >would expect > > >for such a setting. > > > > > > > > I am just curious to hear others ideas about why > > >this may be, if > > >perhaps there are any > > > > deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am > > >just asking a > > >question that has no answer > > > > . > > > > > > > > In Amma's Service, > > > > > > > > Ananthasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata > > >amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > >Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree> wrote: > ....WHERE IS THE LOVE? > > Oh Amma, help this ignorant child of yours! > > Fumbling toward understanding, > > Ananthasree >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is one answer; i'm sure there are others. "Real love exists in the heart. The love that exists in the heart cannot be spoken; it cannot be put in words. The heart is not the place for words. Words are in the intellect. The intellect can speak, but it is nothing more than a tape recorder. It records and spits out words and words and words - words that don't have any feeling in them. The intellect cannot feel compassion; it cannot feel love or kindness." - Ammachi, Awaken Children, Vol.5, p7 (0338) Here it sounds as if Amma is telling us to SHUT UP and dwell in the heart. On the other hand, there are Amma's words of beautiful bhajans, beautiful aphorisms, stories, etc. There is another Amma quote which says that it is the heart which give sharpness to the intellect and, of course, the devotion to bhajans, etc. Amma also says that there are gaps in between words. So, putting all this together, it seems that the gaps in between words are the openings to the heart and love flows from the silence of the heart and expresses itself either in devotional words or selfless action as compassion, kindness, devotion, etc. amma also says that knowing the nature of the world, we should not expect love from others, but that rather we should be the givers of love. hope this helps. amma bless, amarnath Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Dear Ananthasree, Well this is a good question. I have had that experience, too, thinking geez, aren't people going to be even more divine, more thoughtful, more generous, etc.,-especially noticable early on to me.. LOL..then I realized I had this expectation (not usually a good idea!) that people would somehow be new and improved because they are with the Goddess Herself. If I get yelled at during a program, I figure Amma is doing what She will with me to get rid of that nasty ego. But I have come to realize in my limited wisdom, that people are simply people. We are not Realized (well maybe someone out there is on this list, I don't know) but my point is, these experiences can occur anywhere. I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, agitated. At the same time, every one of us is capable of anger or rudeness depending on our day or circumstances. I doubt that any of us could say that we never cross this line. I think being next to Amma that sometimes things do feel as though they may heat up extraordinarily and I'd be a millionaire if I could explain that. I usually feel incredibly blissed out when I'm around Her. Although I have had the experience of feeling like the smallest atom in the world due to Her piercing vision into the depths of my soul. I never know what to expect each time I see Her so I am learning to not expect anything as each time has been different and special in its own way. adriane Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree> wrote: > > Namah Shivayah, > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's post reminded me that I > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see what the differing > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people comment on the > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am referring to arguing, not > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" things like pushing each other, > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I have seen this a lot > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I would expect to see such > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and that it is pretty much > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" can tend to come out. Is > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against each other? Is it all part of > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it something as simple as the > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small environment tension will > arise? > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Namah Shivayah, There is definitely some food for thought here! Thank you for this. The following statement, in particular, resonated with me: You wrote: I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > agitated. And with that, I think it is important to try and peer beyond what may be causing that persons particular mood at the moment...at all times, rather than simply thinking "Gee, they are not friendly" etc. etc. There is a great amount of compassion in that view also. I know there are times when I look like the grouchiest person in the room...when in fact, I am perfectly happy but just lost in some thought or another. Only Amma knows our hearts. Maybe instead of feeling hurt or upset if someone treats us angrily or rudely...we should just try to inhale that negativity into ourselves and transform it into Love on the exhale! I know that sounds like some slightly hokey idealistic new age mantra....but I am sure it can work! I have learned a lot here and have to come some more "positive" takes on the situation through reading everyones responses and comingling them with my own feelings. In fact, now I find myself looking forward to it and how I can work with it. Jai Ma! Ananthasree Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane> wrote: > > Dear Ananthasree, > Well this is a good question. I have had that experience, too, > thinking geez, aren't people going to be even more divine, more > thoughtful, more generous, etc.,-especially noticable early on to > me.. LOL..then I realized I had this expectation (not usually a good > idea!) that people would somehow be new and improved because they > are with the Goddess Herself. If I get yelled at during a program, I > figure Amma is doing what She will with me to get rid of that nasty > ego. > > But I have come to realize in my limited wisdom, that people are > simply people. We are not Realized (well maybe someone out there is > on this list, I don't know) but my point is, these experiences can > occur anywhere. I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > agitated. > > At the same time, every one of us is capable of anger or rudeness > depending on our day or circumstances. I doubt that any of us could > say that we never cross this line. I think being next to Amma that > sometimes things do feel as though they may heat up extraordinarily > and I'd be a millionaire if I could explain that. I usually feel > incredibly blissed out when I'm around Her. Although I have had the > experience of feeling like the smallest atom in the world due to Her > piercing vision into the depths of my soul. I never know what to > expect each time I see Her so I am learning to not expect anything > as each time has been different and special in its own way. > > adriane > > > Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree@> > wrote: > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's > post reminded me that I > > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see > what the differing > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people > comment on the > > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am > referring to arguing, not > > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" > things like pushing each other, > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. > I have seen this a lot > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I > would expect to see such > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected > and that it is pretty much > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" > can tend to come out. Is > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against > each other? Is it all part of > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it > something as simple as the > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small > environment tension will > > arise? > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 The truth is we never know what or how we are going to feel around Amma. We are putty in Her hands. One time we can feel so hurt and vulnerable, the next time really, really angry, then we can be lifted to such great heights we never thought it was possible, the next time we can be in such a state of love that we want to hug everyone in sight. It is the opinion of this child that it is all a mirror of our inner state. Or another way of thinking about it is that it is a cleaning out. On a purely sociological level, there are a lot of people in a very small space and most people don't know each other. In those circumstances people are often not on their best behavior.Sometimes we can just watch, other times not. It is all up to Her, the writer of this play. And we will do just about anything to go back for more. We are all merely travelers on our way HOME. Ananthasree wrote: > Namah Shivayah, > > There is definitely some food for thought here! Thank you for this. > The following > statement, in particular, resonated with me: > > You wrote: > > I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > > agitated. > > And with that, I think it is important to try and peer beyond what may > be causing that > persons particular mood at the moment...at all times, rather than > simply thinking "Gee, > they are not friendly" etc. etc. There is a great amount of compassion > in that view also. I > know there are times when I look like the grouchiest person in the > room...when in fact, I > am perfectly happy but just lost in some thought or another. Only Amma > knows our > hearts. > > Maybe instead of feeling hurt or upset if someone treats us angrily or > rudely...we should > just try to inhale that negativity into ourselves and transform it > into Love on the exhale! I > know that sounds like some slightly hokey idealistic new age > mantra....but I am sure it can > work! > > I have learned a lot here and have to come some more "positive" takes > on the situation > through reading everyones responses and comingling them with my own > feelings. In fact, > now I find myself looking forward to it and how I can work with it. > > Jai Ma! > > Ananthasree > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 remain an innocent begginer and put others before yourself during darshan and behold what happens to your heart..... >Prasadini <ganesh1008 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Fri, 19 May 2006 21:54:04 -0700 > >The truth is we never know what or how we are going to feel around Amma. >We are putty in Her hands. One time we can feel so hurt and vulnerable, >the next time really, really angry, then we can be lifted to such great >heights we never thought it was possible, the next time we can be in >such a state of love that we want to hug everyone in sight. It is the >opinion of this child that it is all a mirror of our inner state. Or >another way of thinking about it is that it is a cleaning out. > >On a purely sociological level, there are a lot of people in a very >small space and most people don't know each other. In those >circumstances people are often not on their best behavior.Sometimes we >can just watch, other times not. It is all up to Her, the writer of this >play. And we will do just about anything to go back for more. We are all >merely travelers on our way HOME. > > >Ananthasree wrote: > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > There is definitely some food for thought here! Thank you for this. > > The following > > statement, in particular, resonated with me: > > > > You wrote: > > > > I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > > > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > > > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > > > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > > > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > > > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > > > agitated. > > > > And with that, I think it is important to try and peer beyond what may > > be causing that > > persons particular mood at the moment...at all times, rather than > > simply thinking "Gee, > > they are not friendly" etc. etc. There is a great amount of compassion > > in that view also. I > > know there are times when I look like the grouchiest person in the > > room...when in fact, I > > am perfectly happy but just lost in some thought or another. Only Amma > > knows our > > hearts. > > > > Maybe instead of feeling hurt or upset if someone treats us angrily or > > rudely...we should > > just try to inhale that negativity into ourselves and transform it > > into Love on the exhale! I > > know that sounds like some slightly hokey idealistic new age > > mantra....but I am sure it can > > work! > > > > I have learned a lot here and have to come some more "positive" takes > > on the situation > > through reading everyones responses and comingling them with my own > > feelings. In fact, > > now I find myself looking forward to it and how I can work with it. > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > Ananthasree > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 if you have others placed n your heart as coming before you ,it s much easier to love them when they dsturb you...please dont wait .go there with the attitude of placing HER and them before you and behold what SHE does to your heart.. the first year this child went to see AMMA some years ago,he passed out flowers to others so they would have something to offer AMMA.this child never went and got a hug from AMMA...SHE filled this heart that year in way that really cannot be explained... place others in your heart before yourself and behold what happens... >"Ananthasree" <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Sat, 20 May 2006 03:43:45 -0000 > >Namah Shivayah, > >There is definitely some food for thought here! Thank you for this. The >following >statement, in particular, resonated with me: > >You wrote: > >I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > > agitated. > >And with that, I think it is important to try and peer beyond what may be >causing that >persons particular mood at the moment...at all times, rather than simply >thinking "Gee, >they are not friendly" etc. etc. There is a great amount of compassion in >that view also. I >know there are times when I look like the grouchiest person in the >room...when in fact, I >am perfectly happy but just lost in some thought or another. Only Amma >knows our >hearts. > >Maybe instead of feeling hurt or upset if someone treats us angrily or >rudely...we should >just try to inhale that negativity into ourselves and transform it into >Love on the exhale! I >know that sounds like some slightly hokey idealistic new age mantra....but >I am sure it can >work! > >I have learned a lot here and have to come some more "positive" takes on >the situation >through reading everyones responses and comingling them with my own >feelings. In fact, >now I find myself looking forward to it and how I can work with it. > >Jai Ma! > >Ananthasree > > >Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane> wrote: > > > > Dear Ananthasree, > > Well this is a good question. I have had that experience, too, > > thinking geez, aren't people going to be even more divine, more > > thoughtful, more generous, etc.,-especially noticable early on to > > me.. LOL..then I realized I had this expectation (not usually a good > > idea!) that people would somehow be new and improved because they > > are with the Goddess Herself. If I get yelled at during a program, I > > figure Amma is doing what She will with me to get rid of that nasty > > ego. > > > > But I have come to realize in my limited wisdom, that people are > > simply people. We are not Realized (well maybe someone out there is > > on this list, I don't know) but my point is, these experiences can > > occur anywhere. I also think we feel so completely vulnerable and > > exposed when we are with Amma (She KNOWS everything about us!) that > > perhaps being stripped of who we think we are begins to feel a > > little unsettling. This may be happening on another level or > > dimension and in a way that we don't quite realize. This may be the > > very root of our suddenly feeling a little unbalanced and for some, > > agitated. > > > > At the same time, every one of us is capable of anger or rudeness > > depending on our day or circumstances. I doubt that any of us could > > say that we never cross this line. I think being next to Amma that > > sometimes things do feel as though they may heat up extraordinarily > > and I'd be a millionaire if I could explain that. I usually feel > > incredibly blissed out when I'm around Her. Although I have had the > > experience of feeling like the smallest atom in the world due to Her > > piercing vision into the depths of my soul. I never know what to > > expect each time I see Her so I am learning to not expect anything > > as each time has been different and special in its own way. > > > > adriane > > > > > > Ammachi, "Ananthasree" <ananthasree@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > > > I am just throwing this question out there because Pahari Maa's > > post reminded me that I > > > have always wanted to pose this question to devotees, just to see > > what the differing > > > opinions and views are. It have witnessed, and heard many people > > comment on the > > > tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am > > referring to arguing, not > > > treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" > > things like pushing each other, > > > speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. > > I have seen this a lot > > > and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I > > would expect to see such > > > behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected > > and that it is pretty much > > > what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. All of the "negative" > > can tend to come out. Is > > > it a means to release negativity? Is it just egos clashing against > > each other? Is it all part of > > > the purification process? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Or is it > > something as simple as the > > > fact that when you pile several thousand strangers into a small > > environment tension will > > > arise? > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Good Morning Ananthasree and All, I have never been to a retreat. I had hoped I would be able to attend the Retreat this year in Boston, but the timing is just not right for me(my daughter's graduation is that weekend..) I am eternally grateful for being able to attend the Public Gathering tho... I remember when I was first training in Reiki, my teacher told us to expect that the more healing light we radiate into a situation or body, the more darkness may arise. It was to be expected-much like a boil or a pimple coming to a head! Any dark energy or negative energy, in order to be released must come to the surface. Hopefully when that happens, the people who are exhibiting that behavior will "Witness" this as Temba says, and learn from their reactions or behaviors. I remember Sai Baba also warning that when people came to his Ashram to be ready for a sometimes unpleasant experience as all of their negative energy would come up from all of their buttons being pushed. I must admit I am a bit shocked to think, after reading all of these email, that people would steal from Amma's booths, or push ahead in line, or act rudely when Amma is right there in that same building! But then if you think about all of that beautiful loving light radiating out from our Amma...it is no wonder people will react to it one way or another. Thank you Temba for the post on Witnessing. I must admit, my feelings would be hurt too Ananthasree, and so I have much work to do on myself in preparation! In Her Service, mare On Fri, 19 May 2006 23:00:44 -0000 "Ananthasree" <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> writes: > Namah Shivayah, > I have witnessed, and heard many people > comment on the tension that arises between some devotees during retreats. I am > referring to arguing, not treating each other with respect and all of the other "little" > things like pushing each other, speaking disrespectfully to others and just being mean, I suppose. I > have seen this a lot and was initially shocked by it, because it is the last place I > would expect to see such behavior. I was told that it is pretty common and to be expected and > that it is pretty much what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 "THE EXPEREINCE OF WITNESSING ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN IN OUR DAY TO DAY LIVES.IT IS JUST A QUESTON OF BEING AWARE OF IT.AND ONCE THAT AWARENESS COMES,WHEN YOU TASTE ITS FLAVOR,ITS JOY AND BLISS,YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK."-AMMA..AWAKEN CHILDREN VL.7PG..27.. >Mary Ellen Robinson <mare3 (AT) juno (DOT) com> >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: A Gift And A Challenge >Sat, 20 May 2006 10:56:42 -0400 > >Good Morning Ananthasree and All, > I have never been to a retreat. I had hoped I would be able to attend >the Retreat this year in Boston, but the timing is just not right for >me(my daughter's graduation is that weekend..) I am eternally grateful >for being able to attend the Public Gathering tho... > I remember when I was first training in Reiki, my teacher told us to >expect that the more healing light we radiate into a situation or body, >the more darkness may arise. It was to be expected-much like a boil or a >pimple coming to a head! Any dark energy or negative energy, in order to >be released must come to the surface. Hopefully when that happens, the >people who are exhibiting that behavior will "Witness" this as Temba >says, and learn from their reactions or behaviors. I remember Sai Baba >also warning that when people came to his Ashram to be ready for a >sometimes unpleasant experience as all of their negative energy would >come up from all of their buttons being pushed. I must admit I am a bit >shocked to think, after reading all of these email, that people would >steal from Amma's booths, or push ahead in line, or act rudely when Amma >is right there in that same building! But then if you think about all of >that beautiful loving light radiating out from our Amma...it is no wonder >people will react to it one way or another. Thank you Temba for the post >on Witnessing. I must admit, my feelings would be hurt too Ananthasree, >and so I have much work to do on myself in preparation! In Her Service, >mare > >On Fri, 19 May 2006 23:00:44 -0000 "Ananthasree" <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> >writes: > > Namah Shivayah, > > I have witnessed, and heard many people > > comment on the tension that arises between some devotees during >retreats. I am > > referring to arguing, not treating each other with respect and all of >the other "little" > > things like pushing each other, speaking disrespectfully to others and >just being mean, I suppose. I > > have seen this a lot and was initially shocked by it, because it is the >last place I > > would expect to see such behavior. I was told that it is pretty common >and to be expected and > > that it is pretty much what happens in the presence of a Mahatma. _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 This witnessing is what I often refer to in my posts as being "Saakshi Bhava". not sure if you all connected to it, just thought I will mention. jai ma! Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits> wrote: > > "THE EXPEREINCE OF WITNESSING ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN IN OUR DAY TO DAY > LIVES.IT IS JUST A QUESTON OF BEING AWARE OF IT.AND ONCE THAT > AWARENESS COMES,WHEN YOU TASTE ITS FLAVOR,ITS JOY AND BLISS,YOU ARE > ON THE RIGHT TRACK."-AMMA..AWAKEN CHILDREN VL.7PG..27.. > > >Mary Ellen Robinson <mare3> > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > >Re: A Gift And A Challenge > >Sat, 20 May 2006 10:56:42 -0400 > > > >Good Morning Ananthasree and All, > > I remember when I was first training in Reiki, my teacher told > > us to expect that the more healing light we radiate into a > > situation or body, the more darkness may arise. It was to be > > expected-much like a boil or a pimple coming to a head! Any dark > > energy or negative energy, in order to be released must come to > > the surface. Hopefully when that happens, the people who are > > exhibiting that behavior will "Witness" this as Temba > >says, and learn from their reactions or behaviors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I haven't seen all the posting on this..but I have had incredibly blissful retreats with Amma and have not heard nor seen arguing and pushing. I am sure that it must be pretty limited-and maybe that is what was meant. Here or there, someone might be upset over something and it usually evaporates soon enough. I can see that Amma would bring up a lot of stuff for us, thank you very much! LOL...As far as stealing, that is why there is "security seva"! I think some devotees just get blissed out and forgetful. And of course, I imagine there could be those who would steal. karma karma karma....! > shocked to think, after reading all of these email, that people would > steal from Amma's booths, or push ahead in line, or act rudely when Amma > is right there in that same building! But then if you think about all of > that beautiful loving light radiating out from our Amma...it is no wonder > people will react to it one way or another. Thank you Temba for the post > on Witnessing. I must admit, my feelings would be hurt too Ananthasree, > and so I have much work to do on myself in preparation! In Her Service, > mare > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Dear Ananthasree, As a reaction to others' actions at Amma's BD celebration in India & retreats, I've bawled my eyes out, & or felt deeply hurt, & or annoyed, & or aggravated. But, these incidences are all gradually helping me to grow, watch my reactions, & in the end, I pray to become more of how Amma is trying to mold me. For example, being physically pushed around in what I perceive as a controlling & rough manner, is a chance to realize that I'm not the body, & to continue to love. Another time someone loudly chastised & insulted me for interupting their meditation. This deeply hurt me. But, eventually it humbled me to take responsibilty for my offense, & not worrying about (forgive?) the other person's actions. I can be very sensitive & take things personally, & being around Amma can offer a multitude of opportunities to let go of this personality trait ... for our egoes to lessen & to realize that we're all just drops in an ocean. I just finished watching the DVD about St. Therese. She was given a pretty hard time in the convent, but said that being there caused her heart to expand. That seems to be what can happen around Amma, where our negativities surface. Some people have either cut down, or stopped seeing Amma, because of the crowds, "the scene around Amma." It's sure not for the weak at heart. Sweta Ananthasree <ananthasree (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: I am just curious to hear others ideas about why this may be, if perhaps there are any deeper spiritual reasons for this, or maybe I am just asking a question that has no answer .. In Amma's Service, Ananthasree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I didn't realize the posts on pushing and shoving when visiting Amma were regarding being in India. I have not been to India but have some friends over there living at the Ashram and just went to help in one of the cities. I have heard how Amma almost stopped the program in one city because it was getting so bad. They thought the crowd was going to crush Her and those with Her because the pushing was so out of control. I have not personally been there-yet..! Ammachi, Sweta Mitzel <swetabc> wrote: > > Dear Ananthasree, > > As a reaction to others' actions at Amma's BD celebration in India & retreats, I've bawled my eyes out, & or felt deeply hurt, & or annoyed, & or aggravated. > > But, these incidences are all gradually helping me to grow, watch my reactions, & in the end, I pray to become more of how Amma is trying to mold me. > > For example, being physically pushed around in what I perceive as a controlling & rough manner, is a chance to realize that I'm not the body, & to continue to love. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I was only pushed & pulled in the US. n2amma <a1driane (AT) swbell (DOT) net> wrote: I didn't realize the posts on pushing and shoving when visiting Amma were regarding being in India. I have not been to India but have some friends over there living at the Ashram and just went to help in one of the cities. I have heard how Amma almost stopped the program in one city because it was getting so bad. They thought the crowd was going to crush Her and those with Her because the pushing was so out of control. I have not personally been there-yet..! Ammachi, Sweta Mitzel <swetabc> wrote: > > Dear Ananthasree, > > As a reaction to others' actions at Amma's BD celebration in India & retreats, I've bawled my eyes out, & or felt deeply hurt, & or annoyed, & or aggravated. > > But, these incidences are all gradually helping me to grow, watch my reactions, & in the end, I pray to become more of how Amma is trying to mold me. > > For example, being physically pushed around in what I perceive as a controlling & rough manner, is a chance to realize that I'm not the body, & to continue to love. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I am sorry. I was reading Amma's BD celebration and India and misunderstood. I am batting 1,000 on here. not! anyone can do these things anywhere I am sure in any country. People are people everywhere. And there are good and bad habits in all of us-no matter where we live. I was just recalling the story of the recent visit of Amma in one of the cities in India that became a bit frightful from what was related on the crowd control. Ammachi, Sweta Mitzel <swetabc> wrote: > > I was only pushed & pulled in the US. > > n2amma <a1driane> wrote: I didn't realize the posts on pushing and shoving when visiting Amma > were regarding being in India. I have not been to India but have > some friends over there living at the Ashram and just went to help > in one of the cities. I have heard how Amma almost stopped the > program in one city because it was getting so bad. They thought the > crowd was going to crush Her and those with Her because the pushing > was so out of control. I have not personally been there-yet..! > > Ammachi, Sweta Mitzel <swetabc@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ananthasree, > > > > As a reaction to others' actions at Amma's BD celebration in > India & retreats, I've bawled my eyes out, & or felt deeply hurt, & > or annoyed, & or aggravated. > > > > But, these incidences are all gradually helping me to grow, > watch my reactions, & in the end, I pray to become more of how Amma > is trying to mold me. > > > > For example, being physically pushed around in what I perceive > as a controlling & rough manner, is a chance to realize that I'm not > the body, & to continue to love. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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