no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy kid sleepers

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> Namaskarams!

>

> i could imagine that it would be difficult to "enforce" at the door

> unless you can read minds...and then what do you say? "nope you

can't

> come in and get darshan cause you had a nice little nappy, while

the

> rest of us slaved!"

>

> or "Were you just sleeping until now? nope no darshan for you!"

>

> or maybe you just try and let Amma take care of it....and find

> yourself in a little hot water later...uh huh, sounds like fun..

>

> in Amma's Divine Love,

> and in Her Service,

> as ever,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Namah Sivaya!

>

 

 

this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the position

as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

distrust of authority.

 

And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which really

sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

 

Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the new

rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own conscience

rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would become

violent and inappropriate around Amma.

 

The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during DB

is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

sleepers sure looked happy.

 

But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

sleepers was palpable

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.  I would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling it.

 

I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is asking us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it as She directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall General, Bhavani.

 

No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma.  I don't know the circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see why you would interpret the job as violent.  I guess you shouldn't go to India and be on crowd control there.

 

I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall when the sleeping is removed.

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

  this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the position

  as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

  distrust of authority.

 

  And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which really

  sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

 

  Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the new

  rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

  confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own conscience

  rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would become

  violent and inappropriate around Amma.

 

  The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during DB

  is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

  sleepers sure looked happy.

 

  But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

  sleepers was palpable

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

  Mata amritanandamayi 

 

 

 

 

 

    a..  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

     

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AMMAs sun is so gretaful for all the sevites that work so hard to make AMMAs

programs possible.

ALL his heart knows is that you all are all AMMAs body parts making it all

happen..this something that can go under appreciatted.so this child just

wanted to acknowledge this..

 

it is such a great gift to be able to serve the LORD through serving HER

children..all those doing seva in this capacity are making it possible for

others to get to know AMMA..

 

you should find great joy in that..your heart should remain filled in

contemplating that you are performing the work of the LORD HERSELF.

 

>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net>

>Ammachi

><Ammachi>

>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy

>kid sleepers

>Fri, 19 May 2006 08:16:46 -0700

>

>I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.  I would

>imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling it.

>

>I >

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Om Namah Shivaya:

 

I have been locked out on two occasions.  Both times my vasanas came

out in force.  The immature mind set I displayed was like a

basketball player committing an obvious foul and then arguing that I

should not be penalized.  With Mothers grace I have not been late in

the Hall since '04.

 

Amma is not an anarchist.  There are rules in a spiritual order.

However they are FOR OUR GOOD (not Hers) because Amma does not need

any power (SHE IS PURNA) leave alone a power trip.

 

So Chris-ji, by following your Guru's Seva instructions and enforcing

the "no crashing during DB" rule and the "lockout rule" in actuality

you are doing the malingerers (like me) a service.  They are being

blessed in disguise.

 

What possibly happens is that security helps prevent me from

incurring negative karma. 

 

People who give dirty looks and act semi-violently perhaps are

ignorant of the sanctity of being in the presence of a Saint.

 

Even in the worldly sense could someone sleep (on the floor)in front

of an event honoring ie the Canadian Prime Minister?  BTW Keval it

may be acceptible to snooze on a chair semi-prone.  Are participants

allowed to crash on the floor at a court proceeding?

 

People who cannot stay up all night should possibly pass on Devi

Bhava after 4:00 am.  This is not just some blessing ritual oh how

nice flowers thrown at me and I promenade past with groovy music.

The need for decorum is useful in worldly events of consequence ie no

crashing on the floor at a funeral.

 

Why can we not feel at least equally in need of decorum in the

presence of a Mahatma/Saint (some say Incarnation of God)?

 

With Love,

 

GeorgeSon

 

Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits>

wrote:

>

> AMMAs sun is so gretaful for all the sevites that work so hard to

make AMMAs

> programs possible.

> ALL his heart knows is that you all are all AMMAs body parts making

it all

> happen..this something that can go under appreciatted.so this child

just

> wanted to acknowledge this..

>

> it is such a great gift to be able to serve the LORD through

serving HER

> children..all those doing seva in this capacity are making it

possible for

> others to get to know AMMA..

>

> you should find great joy in that..your heart should remain filled

in

> contemplating that you are performing the work of the LORD HERSELF.

>

> >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni>

> >Ammachi

> ><Ammachi>

> >Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis

and hippy

> >kid sleepers

> >Fri, 19 May 2006 08:16:46 -0700

> >

> >I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani. 

I would

> >imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling it.

> >

> >I >

> >I

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Your words are beautiful brotherji!  Thank you for sharing them!

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  leokomor

  Ammachi

  Friday, May 19, 2006 9:46 AM

  Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy kid sleepers

 

 

  Om Namah Shivaya:

 

  I have been locked out on two occasions.  Both times my vasanas came

  out in force.  The immature mind set I displayed was like a

  basketball player committing an obvious foul and then arguing that I

  should not be penalized.  With Mothers grace I have not been late in

  the Hall since '04.

 

  Amma is not an anarchist.  There are rules in a spiritual order.

  However they are FOR OUR GOOD (not Hers) because Amma does not need

  any power (SHE IS PURNA) leave alone a power trip.

 

  So Chris-ji, by following your Guru's Seva instructions and enforcing

  the "no crashing during DB" rule and the "lockout rule" in actuality

  you are doing the malingerers (like me) a service.  They are being

  blessed in disguise.

 

  What possibly happens is that security helps prevent me from

  incurring negative karma. 

 

  People who give dirty looks and act semi-violently perhaps are

  ignorant of the sanctity of being in the presence of a Saint.

 

  Even in the worldly sense could someone sleep (on the floor)in front

  of an event honoring ie the Canadian Prime Minister?  BTW Keval it

  may be acceptible to snooze on a chair semi-prone.  Are participants

  allowed to crash on the floor at a court proceeding?

 

  People who cannot stay up all night should possibly pass on Devi

  Bhava after 4:00 am.  This is not just some blessing ritual oh how

  nice flowers thrown at me and I promenade past with groovy music.

  The need for decorum is useful in worldly events of consequence ie no

  crashing on the floor at a funeral.

 

  Why can we not feel at least equally in need of decorum in the

  presence of a Mahatma/Saint (some say Incarnation of God)?

 

  With Love,

 

  GeorgeSon

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya:

>

> I have been locked out on two occasions.  Both times my vasanas

came

> out in force.  The immature mind set I displayed was like a

> basketball player committing an obvious foul and then arguing that

I

> should not be penalized.  With Mothers grace I have not been late

in

> the Hall since '04.

>

> Amma is not an anarchist.  There are rules in a spiritual order.

> However they are FOR OUR GOOD (not Hers) because Amma does not

need

> any power (SHE IS PURNA) leave alone a power trip.

>

> So Chris-ji, by following your Guru's Seva instructions and

enforcing

> the "no crashing during DB" rule and the "lockout rule" in

actuality

> you are doing the malingerers (like me) a service.  They are being

> blessed in disguise.

>

> What possibly happens is that security helps prevent me from

> incurring negative karma. 

>

> People who give dirty looks and act semi-violently perhaps are

> ignorant of the sanctity of being in the presence of a Saint.

>

> Even in the worldly sense could someone sleep (on the floor)in

front

> of an event honoring ie the Canadian Prime Minister?  BTW Keval it

> may be acceptible to snooze on a chair semi-prone.  Are

participants

> allowed to crash on the floor at a court proceeding?

>

> People who cannot stay up all night should possibly pass on Devi

> Bhava after 4:00 am.  This is not just some blessing ritual oh how

> nice flowers thrown at me and I promenade past with groovy music.

> The need for decorum is useful in worldly events of consequence ie

no

> crashing on the floor at a funeral.

>

> Why can we not feel at least equally in need of decorum in the

> presence of a Mahatma/Saint (some say Incarnation of God)?

>

> With Love,

>

> GeorgeSon

 

Dear Georgeson,

 

Thanks for your honesty and the reminder that we see Amma and her

Devi Bhava proceedings with more respect than just some fun-filled

event.

 

It's timely and honorable, and perhaps the least we can give back to

Amma.

 

Thanks again.

 

Jai Ma!

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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greetings beloved family and darling children of AMMA.after r making it the

stage and almost being right next to AMMAs physical body, this child was ask

was he a part of the marriage ceremony.this child had know idea that a

marriage was even going on.ALL he saw was his MOTHER blessing HER

children...when temba got right next to AMMA, he was told to leave the stage

by a devotee doing that seva.ofcourse this created uncomfortabilty for

temba,however, what popped into his heart was"insult ands compliment is the

same to a spiritual aspirant"

 

AMMAs sun left the stage with no ill feelings.as he walked out  of the hall,

a liittle girl who was no more then three of four and out there all by

herself,walks up to temba ,grabs his hand and tells him to come with

him....AMMAs sun new that was AMMA ...the little girl ran with temba all

around the land and eventually brought temba back into the hall and released

him....

 

later on while staying in the ashram,the same devotee who asked this child

to leave the stage asked temba where he had gone.he said AMMA  sent for them

to find this child.ofcourse that gave temba a warm feeling inside,but at

that point, he was so greatful for not getting HER physical hug ,that it

didnt matter..

 

SHE hugged him through that little girl and SHE also allowed this child to

see how he was expanding....AMMAs sun has learned that NO to one thing is ,

YES TO another if your heart remains open..

 

this child prays that this experience may  bring light,life and love into

someones life...

 

 

 

 

 

>"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net>

>Ammachi

><Ammachi>

>Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy

>kid sleepers

>Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:55 -0700

>

>Your words are beautiful brotherji!  Thank you for sharing them!

>   -

>   leokomor

>   Ammachi

>   Friday, May 19, 2006 9:46 AM

>   Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy

>kid sleepers

>

>

>   Om Namah Shivaya:

>

>   I have been locked out on two occasions.  Both times my vasanas came

>   out in force.  The immature mind set I displayed was like a

>   basketball player committing an obvious foul and then arguing that I

>   should not be penalized.  With Mothers grace I have not been late in

>   the Hall since '04.

>

>   Amma is not an anarchist.  There are rules in a spiritual order.

>   However they are FOR OUR GOOD (not Hers) because Amma does not need

>   any power (SHE IS PURNA) leave alone a power trip.

>

>   So Chris-ji, by following your Guru's Seva instructions and enforcing

>   the "no crashing during DB" rule and the "lockout rule" in actuality

>   you are doing the malingerers (like me) a service.  They are being

>   blessed in disguise.

>

>   What possibly happens is that security helps prevent me from

>   incurring negative karma.

>

>   People who give dirty looks and act semi-violently perhaps are

>   ignorant of the sanctity of being in the presence of a Saint.

>

>   Even in the worldly sense could someone sleep (on the floor)in front

>   of an event honoring ie the Canadian Prime Minister?  BTW Keval it

>   may be acceptible to snooze on a chair semi-prone.  Are participants

>   allowed to crash on the floor at a court proceeding?

>

>   People who cannot stay up all night should possibly pass on Devi

>   Bhava after 4:00 am.  This is not just some blessing ritual oh how

>   nice flowers thrown at me and I promenade past with groovy music.

>   The need for decorum is useful in worldly events of consequence ie no

>   crashing on the floor at a funeral.

>

>   Why can we not feel at least equally in need of decorum in the

>   presence of a Mahatma/Saint (some say Incarnation of God)?

>

>   With Love,

>

>   GeorgeSon

>

>

>

>

 

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Well, it's one way of thinning out the crowd. The process of natural

selection.

>

>

> I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall when

> the sleeping is removed.

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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Surya,

This reminds me of my seva at LA last year.  I was assigned to do 

several shifts of Line Entry seva.  I thought it would be joyful to 

greet people and collect their tokens and make sure the line went 

smoothly.  Much to my surprise, many people were rude, wanting to go 

before their number or not even having a token.  Many were sneaking in 

from the sides of the hall instead of entering the line from the back.  

Then there were "experienced" sevites who were managing the front of 

the line who yelled at me and blamed me if anyone managed to sneak 

through.  It was quite challenging.  Then another devotee asked me to 

"spell her" in the security detail.  I was shocked to see people trying 

to steal jewelry and aroma therapy bottles.  I had to watch like a 

hawk!  My favorite seva was helping to set up the coffee/chai room.  It 

was physical labor which I enjoy.  I could say my mantra... and of 

course people who are drinking and eating and socializing are usually 

in a good mood.

 

I think that all seva is a gift and a challenge.

 

Pahari Maa

 

 

On May 19, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Mahamuni Das wrote:

 

>  I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.  I 

> would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling it.

>

>  I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is asking 

> us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it as She 

> directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall General, 

> Bhavani.

>

>  No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma.  I don't know the 

> circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see why 

> you would interpret the job as violent.  I guess you shouldn't go to 

> India and be on crowd control there.

>

>  I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall when 

> the sleeping is removed.

>

>  Jai Maa!

>

>  Surya

>    this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the position

>    as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

>    distrust of authority.

>

>    And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which really

>    sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

>

>    Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the new

>    rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

>    confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own conscience

>    rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would become

>    violent and inappropriate around Amma.

>

>    The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during DB

>    is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

>    sleepers sure looked happy.

>

>    But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

>    sleepers was palpable

>

>

>

>

>

>

>    Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

>    Mata amritanandamayi 

>

>

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Pahari Maa,

 

 

What do you mean she wanted you to "spell" her?

 

 

Be LOVE,

 

Egyirba

 

 

Surya,

This reminds me of my seva at LA last year.  I was assigned to do 

several shifts of Line Entry seva.  I thought it would be joyful to 

greet people and collect their tokens and make sure the line went 

smoothly.  Much to my surprise, many people were rude, wanting to go 

before their number or not even having a token.  Many were sneaking in 

from the sides of the hall instead of entering the line from the back.  

Then there were "experienced" sevites who were managing the front of 

the line who yelled at me and blamed me if anyone managed to sneak 

through.  It was quite challenging.  Then another devotee asked me to 

"spell her" in the security detail.  I was shocked to see people trying 

to steal jewelry and aroma therapy bottles.  I had to watch like a 

hawk!  My favorite seva was helping to set up the coffee/chai room.  It 

was physical labor which I enjoy.  I could say my mantra... and of 

course people who are drinking and eating and socializing are usually 

in a good mood.

 

I think that all seva is a gift and a challenge.

 

Pahari Maa

 

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Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, thanks for the feedback, because this is coming up again.

 

In Boston, the scene got so violent, people were outraged that the

doors were closing..some had legitimate reasons, babies in needed

changing in the room etc.. Apparently many didn't hear the

announcement about closing the hall. I have never seen the like

around Amma in the US. In India..crowd control has to be strong, but

remember the US is very different..this is the land of lawyers and

pushing someone is technically assault. this does not fly in the US.

 

In Detroit, people were just coming and going quite a bit, and many

had been sleeping. They would respond in a truly bullying way when

confronted at times..after Boston's all out scene we were trying the

kind and gentle approach, which seemed to work, somewhat. I am sure

that many people who slept still got in.

 

This year the protocol will be well known and we may have to get

tougher! its still somewhat unresolved, maybe the swamis and staff

have some new ideas? what happens on the west coast?

 

 

Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote:

>

> I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani. 

I would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling

it.

>

> I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is

asking us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it

as She directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall

General, Bhavani.

>

> No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma.  I don't know

the circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see

why you would interpret the job as violent.  I guess you shouldn't

go to India and be on crowd control there.

>

> I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall

when the sleeping is removed.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

>   this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the

position

>   as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

>   distrust of authority.

>

>   And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which

really

>   sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

>

>   Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the

new

>   rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

>   confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own

conscience

>   rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would

become

>   violent and inappropriate around Amma.

>

>   The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during

DB

>   is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

>   sleepers sure looked happy.

>

>   But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

>   sleepers was palpable

>

>

>

>

>

>

>   Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

>   Mata amritanandamayi 

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this is awsome.the imntensity is building up...

 

 

>"ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 >

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

> Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy kid

>sleepers

>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:54:11 -0000

>

>Yeah, thanks for the feedback, because this is coming up again.

>

>In Boston, the scene got so violent, people were outraged that the

>doors were closing..some had legitimate reasons, babies in needed

>changing in the room etc.. Apparently many didn't hear the

>announcement about closing the hall. I have never seen the like

>around Amma in the US. In India..crowd control has to be strong, but

>remember the US is very different..this is the land of lawyers and

>pushing someone is technically assault. this does not fly in the US.

>

>In Detroit, people were just coming and going quite a bit, and many

>had been sleeping. They would respond in a truly bullying way when

>confronted at times..after Boston's all out scene we were trying the

>kind and gentle approach, which seemed to work, somewhat. I am sure

>that many people who slept still got in.

>

>This year the protocol will be well known and we may have to get

>tougher! its still somewhat unresolved, maybe the swamis and staff

>have some new ideas? what happens on the west coast?

>

>

>Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote:

> >

> > I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.

>I would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling

>it.

> >

> > I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is

>asking us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it

>as She directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall

>General, Bhavani.

> >

> > No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma.  I don't know

>the circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see

>why you would interpret the job as violent.  I guess you shouldn't

>go to India and be on crowd control there.

> >

> > I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall

>when the sleeping is removed.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

> >   this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the

>position

> >   as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

> >   distrust of authority.

> >

> >   And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which

>really

> >   sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

> >

> >   Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the

>new

> >   rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

> >   confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own

>conscience

> >   rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would

>become

> >   violent and inappropriate around Amma.

> >

> >   The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during

>DB

> >   is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

> >   sleepers sure looked happy.

> >

> >   But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

> >   sleepers was palpable

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >   Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

> >

> >

> >

> >   Mata amritanandamayi

> >

> >

> > -

>-----------

> >  

> >

> >     a..  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

> >

> >     b.. 

> >      Ammachi

> >

> >     c..  Terms

>of Service.

> >

> >

> > -

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

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this may help someone who is participating in the the tense sevas.AMMAs sun

prays with all of his heart that it does..when this child was incarsarated

,there use to be prison raids regularly.they would come with dogs most of

the time and turn over our beds as well as totally ramsack our lockers.

 

this child had to watch his picture of AMMA get snatched off of his

locker(alter) and sometimes thrown on the floor.this was the most tense time

for all the brothers...

 

at first this child was so effected by this ,however, at the same time, AMMA

had him reading a section in one of AMMAs AWAKEN CHILDREN books on

WITNESSING . AMMAs sun began to practice this spiritual excercise during the

prison raids.

 

this child went from being so effected by the raids to actually smiling once

they were over.the other brothers use to wonder why AMMAs sun was so

happy..it was because of AMMA teaching him how to WITNESS..there was a time

when AMMA brought HER sun into the witness state while they were raiding and

the officers ran right passed this child ,as if he wasnt there.the officers

pushed everyone else around and even hit others with clubs,however, through

HER GRACE of witnessing, this child was untouched.this AMMA says can happen

if you read HER WORDS IN VOLUME SEVEN..AMMAs sun has experienced this as

divine truth..

 

practicing the witness state may be something that soemone invloved in the

tense sevas might consider.please refer to AWAKEN CHILDREN volume 7.it is

the book with the purple triming and AMMAs hand is on HER HEART..

 

if you read this section and practice it,you will remain uneffected and thus

serve more effectively...

 

AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart that one of HER darling children may

benefit from this experience and that our AMMA is pleased...

 

"so the witnessing happens only when you become totally detached from the

mind and the thought process.you then become fully concious of

everything,even your own thought process.for "THE SPIRITUAL ASPIRANT"(HER

children)on the spiritiual path ,this can be PRACTICED as an attitude

towards everything...

 

 

>"ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 >

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

> Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy kid

>sleepers

>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:54:11 -0000

>

>Yeah, thanks for the feedback, because this is coming up again.

>

>In Boston, the scene got so violent, people were outraged that the

>doors were closing..some had legitimate reasons, babies in needed

>changing in the room etc.. Apparently many didn't hear the

>announcement about closing the hall. I have never seen the like

>around Amma in the US. In India..crowd control has to be strong, but

>remember the US is very different..this is the land of lawyers and

>pushing someone is technically assault. this does not fly in the US.

>

>In Detroit, people were just coming and going quite a bit, and many

>had been sleeping. They would respond in a truly bullying way when

>confronted at times..after Boston's all out scene we were trying the

>kind and gentle approach, which seemed to work, somewhat. I am sure

>that many people who slept still got in.

>

>This year the protocol will be well known and we may have to get

>tougher! its still somewhat unresolved, maybe the swamis and staff

>have some new ideas? what happens on the west coast?

>

>

>Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:

> >

> > I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.

>I would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling

>it.

> >

> > I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is

>asking us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it

>as She directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall

>General, Bhavani.

> >

> > No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma. I don't know

>the circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see

>why you would interpret the job as violent. I guess you shouldn't

>go to India and be on crowd control there.

> >

> > I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall

>when the sleeping is removed.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

> > this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the

>position

> > as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

> > distrust of authority.

> >

> > And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which

>really

> > sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

> >

> > Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the

>new

> > rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

> > confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own

>conscience

> > rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would

>become

> > violent and inappropriate around Amma.

> >

> > The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during

>DB

> > is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

> > sleepers sure looked happy.

> >

> > But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

> > sleepers was palpable

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

> >

> >

> >

> > Mata amritanandamayi

> >

> >

> > -

>-----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> > Ammachi

> >

> > c.. Terms

>of Service.

> >

> >

> > -

>-----------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

this may help someone who is participating in the the tense sevas.AMMAs sun

prays with all of his heart that it does..when this child was incarsarated

,there use to be prison raids regularly.they would come with dogs most of

the time and turn over our beds as well as totally ramsack our lockers.

 

this child had to watch his picture of AMMA get snatched off of his

locker(alter) and sometimes thrown on the floor.this was the most tense time

for all the brothers...

 

at first this child was so effected by this ,however, at the same time, AMMA

had him reading a section in one of AMMAs AWAKEN CHILDREN books on

WITNESSING . AMMAs sun began to practice this spiritual excercise during the

prison raids.

 

this child went from being so effected by the raids to actually smiling once

they were over.the other brothers use to wonder why AMMAs sun was so

happy..it was because of AMMA teaching him how to WITNESS..there was a time

when AMMA brought HER sun into the witness state while they were raiding and

the officers ran right passed this child ,as if he wasnt there.the officers

pushed everyone else around and even hit others with clubs,however, through

HER GRACE of witnessing, this child was untouched.this AMMA says can happen

if you read HER WORDS IN VOLUME SEVEN..AMMAs sun has experienced this as

divine truth..

 

practicing the witness state may be something that soemone invloved in the

tense sevas might consider.please refer to AWAKEN CHILDREN volume 7.it is

the book with the purple triming and AMMAs hand is on HER HEART..

 

if you read this section and practice it,you will remain uneffected and thus

serve more effectively...

 

AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart that one of HER darling children may

benefit from this experience and that our AMMA is pleased...

 

"so the witnessing happens only when you become totally detached from the

mind and the thought process.you then become fully concious of

everything,even your own thought process.for "THE SPIRITUAL ASPIRANT"(HER

children)on the spiritiual path ,this can be PRACTICED as an attitude

towards everything...AMMA

 

 

>"ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 >

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

> Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy kid

>sleepers

>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:54:11 -0000

>

>Yeah, thanks for the feedback, because this is coming up again.

>

>In Boston, the scene got so violent, people were outraged that the

>doors were closing..some had legitimate reasons, babies in needed

>changing in the room etc.. Apparently many didn't hear the

>announcement about closing the hall. I have never seen the like

>around Amma in the US. In India..crowd control has to be strong, but

>remember the US is very different..this is the land of lawyers and

>pushing someone is technically assault. this does not fly in the US.

>

>In Detroit, people were just coming and going quite a bit, and many

>had been sleeping. They would respond in a truly bullying way when

>confronted at times..after Boston's all out scene we were trying the

>kind and gentle approach, which seemed to work, somewhat. I am sure

>that many people who slept still got in.

>

>This year the protocol will be well known and we may have to get

>tougher! its still somewhat unresolved, maybe the swamis and staff

>have some new ideas? what happens on the west coast?

>

>

>Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:

> >

> > I am surprised that what you are stating was enough for Bhavani.

>I would imagine she didn't know that this was how you were handling

>it.

> >

> > I agree it is VERY uncomfortable, but if this is what Amma is

>asking us to do and we volunteer for the Seva, then we should do it

>as She directs us, whether that is directly or through Her Hall

>General, Bhavani.

> >

> > No one wants to keep people out and away from Amma. I don't know

>the circumstance in the hall you are speaking about, but I don't see

>why you would interpret the job as violent. I guess you shouldn't

>go to India and be on crowd control there.

> >

> > I agree with your take on the change in the energy of the hall

>when the sleeping is removed.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

> > this is exactly the problem. Its very strange being in the

>position

> > as the enforcer of the rules, because you bump up against the

> > distrust of authority.

> >

> > And then there is the risk of turning into a guru nazi, which

>really

> > sets people off, on both sides of that equation.

> >

> > Most people were somewhat patient and want to acknowledge the

>new

> > rules, while others completely ignore us and slip through

> > confrontationally. We decided to just let people's own

>conscience

> > rule in those situations, because physically enforcing would

>become

> > violent and inappropriate around Amma.

> >

> > The seva of waking people up in the hall who are sleeping during

>DB

> > is equally unpleasant. If I woke you up, Im sorry man. Those

> > sleepers sure looked happy.

> >

> > But the difference in the energy in the hall when we removed the

> > sleepers was palpable

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

> >

> >

> >

> > Mata amritanandamayi

> >

> >

> > -

>-----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

> >

> > b..

> > Ammachi

> >

> > c.. Terms

>of Service.

> >

> >

> > -

>-----------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

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To take her place (and her partner's place) so that they could have a

break together.

 

On May 19, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Devi's Daughter wrote:

 

>  Pahari Maa,

>

>

>

>  What do you mean she wanted you to "spell" her?

>

>

>

>  Be LOVE,

>

>  Egyirba

>

>

>

>  Surya,

>  This reminds me of my seva at LA last year.  I was assigned to do 

>  several shifts of Line Entry seva.  I thought it would be joyful to 

>  greet people and collect their tokens and make sure the line went 

>  smoothly.  Much to my surprise, many people were rude, wanting to go 

>  before their number or not even having a token.  Many were sneaking

> in 

>  from the sides of the hall instead of entering the line from the

> back.  

>  Then there were "experienced" sevites who were managing the front of 

>  the line who yelled at me and blamed me if anyone managed to sneak 

>  through.  It was quite challenging.  Then another devotee asked me to 

>  "spell her" in the security detail.  I was shocked to see people

> trying 

>  to steal jewelry and aroma therapy bottles.  I had to watch like a 

>  hawk!  My favorite seva was helping to set up the coffee/chai room. 

> It 

>  was physical labor which I enjoy.  I could say my mantra... and of 

>  course people who are drinking and eating and socializing are usually 

>  in a good mood.

>

>  I think that all seva is a gift and a challenge.

>

>  Pahari Maa

>

>    _____ 

>

>

>

> 

>

>

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

>

> Mata amritanandamayi

>

>

>

>       â–ª        Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

>  

>       â–ª        

>  Ammachi

>  

>       â–ª         Terms of

> Service.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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*laughing*  okay, thanks Pahari Maa.  That's a new one on me!

 

 

 

 

Be LOVE,

 

Egyirba

 

When a resolute young fellow steps up to the great bully, the world, and

takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find it comes off in

his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers.

 

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Ammachi [Ammachi] On Behalf Of

Ardis Jackson

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:10 PM

Ammachi

Re: Re: no sleep during Devi Bhava..guru nazis and hippy

kid sleepers

 

 

To take her place (and her partner's place) so that they could have a

break together.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

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