Are near death experiences real?

[Guest guest]

Well.....are they?

 

If NDE's are real, then why do people claim to see family members?

 

Doesn't this disprove reincarnation?

[Guest guest]

Yes, they are real. During out of body experiences and near death experiences our conscious awareness is shifted into our subtle body and we experience the astral plane (sub-physical regions) . When entering these bardo realms we may see visions of departed loved ones, or light beings may appear to us in comforting forms. Sometimes they may be visions of our mind or it can be the actual being appearing to us, in a familiar form.

 

Reincarnation does not happen instantly in most cases. We dwell in the spiritual realms inbetween lives. We may experience a celestial world for some time because of our good karma. Or we may experience a purgatory realm, where we are work off bad karmic debt, until our next incarnation.

 

A lot depends on our karma, our state of consciousness and what chakra we exit from. If a master yogi leaves his body he can willfully ascend to the brahmaloka and dwell there for trillions of years; but most do not have such mastery at the time of death and they are drawn to an astral region corresponding to their karma and state of consciousness.

 

As to why reincarnation can be true and people still see relatives? Since time is different in the various higher planes, this might explain how we can see loved ones who have departed, who we'd assume to have already reincarnated.

 

I have read several near-death experience accounts. And several of the experiences speak about seeing loved ones in the spiritual realms and they also verify that reincarnation was told to them to be a reality. So there is no conflict.

 

When we realize that reincarnation is true, then we must realize that we have hundreds of family members from past lives, that we would potentially recognize on the spiritual planes, when our past lives come back to our conscious awareness. We have had tons of mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, that we have known throughout our many lifetimes. Although we are normally focused on the family we have known in this lifetime, and anticipating seeing them when we cross over, the fact is, when we recall our past lives and they come back into our awareness, we may not be so much focused on seeing this or that relative. Who knows whom we might have been close to in previous births, that we might long to reconnect when we remember them in the spirit world.

 

 

by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami

 

The tunnel of light that is experienced by so many people at the point of death is the portal they are going through, the window, the chakra. It is a tunnel, and it has distance, because it takes time, consciousness, to go from one end to the other. Passing through the tunnel is leaving this world and going into another. You do that in meditation, too. You leave the light of the physical plane and go into the light in the inner world. Death takes place in a short period, but is a foreboding affair to those who have never meditated. But dying is not such a dramatic experience really. Every night you "die" and leave your physical body. It is very similar. Every night mystics leave their physical body, go and meet and converse with other mystics on the inner planes. That's why they know each other when they meet on the physical plane. Samadhi, the exalted meditative state, which literally means "holding together completely,"is also a word used to describe dying. Why is that? Because deep contemplation is similar to a death experience; only the silver cord is not separated. This cord is an astral-pranic thread that connects the astral body through the navel to the physical body. It is a little like an umbilical cord. The only full separation comes when the cord is cut at mahasamadhi, the true death of the physical body. People die all the time, but if the cord is not broken, they come back. You die all the time. The cord being broken makes for a twenty-four-hour consciousness in the inner world, as compared to a sixteen-hour consciousness in the physical world.

[Guest guest]

 

Well.....are they?

 

If NDE's are real, then why do people claim to see family members?

 

Doesn't this disprove reincarnation?

 

Most NDE's say reincarnation exists, among other hindu and buddhist tenets, which oppose orthodox Christianity. And many of these NDE's are from Christians themselves. Some see Krishna, Christ, Buddha, whoever their spiritual guide is, a relative, etc.

 

One need not be necessarily a devotee or even familiar with Krishna to see him, which is odd, but it has been reported to happen.

 

As for reality, well, this is a term that is only relative to the state of consciousness we are in at the moment. A dream can be quite real when we are experiencing it, yet be false when we awake from our sleep and realize we were dreaming. This world can be quite real right now, yet false when we are sleeping or dead.

 

 

Some NDE's may not be real, while some may be. I believe Carl Jung had an NDE, in which he saw a living person in his NDE, and he knew that person to be alive. But he thought seeing that person meant that the person was going to die soon, so he warned the person, but the person died anyway. There are NDE's like this, and then there are NDE's where someone might see a living family member for no apparent reason, aside from possibly being outside of space and time, so even if at the prsent the person is alive, he/she will be dead at some point so that person will be present to greet the NDE experiencer. Or it could be the higher Self that's greeting the NDE experiencer, of which it is believed we all have a higher Self in the spiritual realm.

 

 

Many doctors and scientists claim NDE's are the byproduct of brain chemistry, however some NDE's have claimed to occur when the brain was literally inactive. Difficult to determine if they're "real" or "unreal", really.

 

 

There is a good site called near-death . com where you can go and read about all the various NDE's and the study done on them.

[krishnadasa 0]

whats apparent everywhere is the cycle of birth and death and the miseries theryby!!!

 

" Dont be a monkey playing around in this and that world.

Dear Go home , back to the parent , back home, back to godhead"

 

hari hari bol

[Guest guest]

 

whats apparent everywhere is the cycle of birth and death and the miseries theryby!!!

 

" Dont be a monkey playing around in this and that world.

Dear Go home , back to the parent , back home, back to godhead"

 

hari hari bol

 

Birth and death is apparent. CYCLE of birth and death is not. Nor is the existence of a "parent" so to speak.