Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 But Lrod Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada are not. COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA) <Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se> talavan (AT) com (DOT) org <talavan (AT) com (DOT) org>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:50 AM Re: A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >[Text 2771099 from COM] > > > >"WWW: Rohita (Dasa) ACBSP (New Talavan MS - USA)" wrote: > >> [Text 2769448 from COM] >> >> Dvibhuja dasa >> Ø Once a devotee asked Srila Prabhupada if we should farm communally >or >> seperate and he replied that faming meant communally. >> >> I believe this is the quote he is referring to, from conversations with >> devotees on August 1, 1975 in New Talavan. >> >> Nityänanda: The householders on our farm, they should cooperate and produce >> the food centrally or every householder should produce his own food >> independently? >> Prabhupäda: No. Why they are living in a community centrally? Commu nity >means >> work everything for the community. >> Devotee: Some men can cultivate the fields, some men can take care of the >> cows, some menI They can (indistinct) responsible. >> Prabhupäda: No, it is service (?). > >There is a distinct difference between commuinty and communally. Communally is >a >function of common ownership. Community is a function of common goals. > >For instance, it is not necessary that every family owns there own apple >press. >The time it takes to set it up and clean it, for a small amount of apples or >grapes, may be prohibitive, but if I could take my juice apples to someone >who >is going to be juicing all day, and give a portion of the juice in exchange, >my >time is better utilised. > >The extra juice the juice man makes he can trade to someone who specialized in >drying tomatoes, etc. That seems to be what Srila Prabhupada is saying. In >communal living, none wants to prune the trees, compost them, keep the grass >down, pick the apples or press them. But they will all show up to drink the >juice. > >Communism doesn't work. > >The communal aspect of doing things may have some limited application within a >larger community, but doesn't work as the dominant way of organization. >Ownership turns sand into gold, and vice versa. I am currently observing the >systematic dismantling and destruction of New Vrindaban by the leadership that >still functions on a communal paradigm. The 70s are over guys, Trotsky and >Che >are dead. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 > > Communism doesn't work. > > The communal aspect of doing things may have some limited application > within a larger community, but doesn't work as the dominant way of > organization. Ownership turns sand into gold, and vice versa. I am > currently observing the systematic dismantling and destruction of New > Vrindaban by the leadership that still functions on a communal paradigm. > The 70s are over guys, Trotsky and Che are dead. Dvibhuja das wrote: > But Lrod Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada are not. So would you say they where promoting Communism for their devotees as a social and economical form of living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 1999 Report Share Posted November 11, 1999 Martin wrote: > [Text 2771581 from COM] > > But Lrod Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada are not. And? Please show where they ever espoused communism as a means for societal organization. The proferred quote certainly didn't. Commu nity > >means > >> work everything for the community. > >> Devotee: Some men can cultivate the fields, some men can take care of the > >> cows, some menI They can (indistinct) responsible. It doesn't say working for the commune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 I would say that this ISKCON was founded by Srila Prabhupada and in my experience it functions nicely if we are in the fire so to speak. So It would seem prdent to understand how to increase our attachement to the devotional process, not just consider it useless because some people find it not to their likeing. Please don't misunderstand I can comprehend that sometimes change comes as we more realize the instructions of Guru and Gouranga however in the case of devotees becoming independent in all aspects of our service, this is not always the way. I know in the case of a car or something if you own it you tend to take better care of it, but what if you should happen to truly understand that the car belongs to Krishna and gradually by the Grace of Guru and Gouranga one develops some attachment to pleasing Krishna. Then at that point the car would be better taken care of because we want to please Krishna. So the problem could be that we don't love Krishna enough. Not that the car belongs to ISKCON or me. So this I believe can work also although one doesn't have to exclude the other. One has to admit that at some point we have to have some type of communal effort. If you distribut Prasadam, someone has to own the van, the pots, and have a bank balance to pay for the gas. So If that someone happens to be an ISKCON temple president who is inspired to serve in this way, then does that not mean communism of a sort. Of course this che crap is for those who worship che. We worship Srila Prabhupada and therefore we see that he is pleased when we work cooperatively together. Actually everything is owned by the Brahmanas already so we have nothing to give to them. This is stated by Maharaj Prthu in the fourth canto. So everything ultimately belongs to Krishna. So where is the question of our owning something. But of course the point is what works to spread this Sankirtana movement and in relation to cow protection, it is not philosophical. Show me how you will take 150 cows and tell somebody here don't kill them, sell them, make sure you feed them nicely all at your own expense, and its ok if you take some milk for selling. It just isn't going to work. We spend many thousands of dollars each year maintaining the cows here. So my experience is most people who want just the independence wants the part of the cow that makes the milk, not the part that takes the feed. So does it matter whethe you call it communism or demoncrazy or whatever, if we are sold out to please Srila Prabhupada the burden of cow protection will overwhelm us and we will be dwelling in the same planet Drumilla is going to unless he receives the special mercy of the Lord which of course is possible because this is Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement. YS Dvibhuja Das COM: Harsi (das) HKS (Timisoara - RO) <Harsi.HKS (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Martin <laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Thursday, November 11, 1999 11:20 AM Re: A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >[Text 2771985 from COM] > >> >> Communism doesn't work. >> >> The communal aspect of doing things may have some limited application >> within a larger community, but doesn't work as the dominant way of >> organization. Ownership turns sand into gold, and vice versa. I am >> currently observing the systematic dismantling and destruction of New >> Vrindaban by the leadership that still functions on a communal paradigm. >> The 70s are over guys, Trotsky and Che are dead. > >Dvibhuja das wrote: > >> But Lrod Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada are not. > >So would you say they where promoting Communism for their devotees as a >social and economical form of living? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 If the King is Krishna, who would mind working for Hime? It is just semantics anyway. We are devotees and to try and legislate this ism or that ism isn't them message of Lord Caitanya or Srila Prabhupada, the message is simple that we surrender everything to Krishna. So you say well you should not be communal in your surrender, but everything should be owned by Grhasta and I say how do you propose to do that with cow protection. Lets don't argue isms, what can be done now. On one hand you are crying the GBC has to make sure that cows are being protected and on the other you are saying they should be controlled by Grhasta. Please explain one example of where there is any Grhasta taking care of 150 cows by himself. And if he is do you think the GBC would be allowed to send the cows their when other temples in His or Her zone has the need in order to protect the cow. Please just give me your vision of how to protect comws without communal cooperation. Please anybocy give me one practical example of how to do this in ISKCON. Not when Ksatriyas ruled the earth or some other distant time. Right here and now or even 30 or 40 years in the future. How to do it? That is what I mean. You can call it communism if you want but the cows have to be protected by those who do it to please Krishna and unfortunately show me the person right now who can do it alone. Or one that can do it without remuneration of some sort. For Gods sake many times the pujaris are paid in ISKCON, and they don't even have to slosh trought the mud in the freezing weather, or be kicked oar have to chase calves and mothers sometimes. So again I have all respect for the concept that in general people are more inclined to work if they are well remenunerated which is sort of what is being put forth, but Cow protection is not like that in reality. It is not profitable in the mundane sense. If it was it would be the Vedic culture. The milk is cheap, but the meat is the most materialistically desirable. So if its my dairy, then who the hell are you or some GBC to tell me I can't sell some cows to maintain the rest of the herd. Already this has happened. But everyone even Mother Hare Krishna is so busy shooting down the ISKCON projects and then Maharj comes up with this lets us privatize utopian idea, when actually the problem is where is your devotion to fixing the system we have. Oh the system is wrong, thats why it doesn't work. Not Drumilla should never have been in charge of a temple therefore it is the problem of management not the system. The system may change but no matter what system it is if we are not Krishna Conscious it will be a failure. Again I ask anyone to tell me in a practical sense what should be done. Don't just criticize that o NV has so much blood on their hands, Saranagati di this, etc. Those things are of course to be corrrected, but what do you suppose can be done to make sure that the temples are better equipped to gradually reach that platform we are all striving for. When the oxens are engaged properly according to Srila Prabhupada's desire, when mother cows milk is appreciated by everyone devotees and karmis alike. In the form of yogurt,butter,ghee,butter,curd,etc. I wish that at least someone would be a little more practical about helping these communities that are striving to actually implement cow protection. Not just sit back and say Oh can you beleive they did this or that. Half the time it is an exxageration anyway and the other half it was corrected already and the other half are trying their best. So we sat back and do our little thing and say look at those skinny cows. So in this way Drumillas flourish. Where is the actual commitment. Is it time to milk. How can I adopt a team of oxen. Can I help bring some devotees to some farm and start this oxen program. I guess not unless you can make a buck right? YS Dvibhuja Das COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA) <Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se> laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net <laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:10 PM Re: A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >[Text 2772250 from COM] > > > >Martin wrote: > >> [Text 2771581 from COM] >> >> But Lrod Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada are not. > >And? Please show where they ever espoused communism as a means for societal >organization. The proferred quote certainly didn't. > >Commu nity > >> >means >> >> work everything for the community. >> >> Devotee: Some men can cultivate the fields, some men can take care of the >> >> cows, some menI They can (indistinct) responsible. > >It doesn't say working for the commune. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hare Krsna dasi (Brunswick, Maine - USA) 10-Nov-99 23:17 Malati (dd) ACBSP (Columbus - USA) [5729] (received: 10-Nov-99 Cow (Protection and related issues) [3874] Cc: Free Forum (Announcements) [3577] (sender: Mukhya (dd) (SysOp) "COM: Malati (dd) ACBSP (Columbus - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2769531 from COM] > > Hare Krishna..Is there documentation proof as of this horror storey? > (ie:some kind of facts to verify the statements?) I think this is very > important in order to get your points across effectively and insure an > adequate response. > > I could not eat lunch today as a result of reading your letter. Children, > women, cows,....what/who is next? Malati Prabhu Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I'm not sure whether you are addressing me directly. (I never know if devotees are addressing me unless they call me Hare Krsna dasi or Mother Hare Krsna -- that's a life-long joke my spiritual master played on me.) Anyway, as for documentation. I have given what I could. The FBI has a saying: "There is no justice without investigation." In general, our policy in ISKCON has been: We don't investigate. The Child Protection Office (is that the correct name) is fortunately changing that. Investigation -- especially by impartial and thorough outside investigators -- costs money, and unfortunately we have never wanted to spend that money to investigate whether certain charges are factual. It's almost like a Catch 22 in ISKCON: Don't bring up these allegations until we have investigated to see if they are true. And when do you plan to do that investigation? -- Never! On the other hand, I have only quoted from sources whom I personally feel are credible. For example, when a devotee with the strength of character and reputation for competent cow care of the stature of Syamasundara prabhu states that the mathematics for the Vrndavana and Mayapura gosalla indicates that hundreds of cows are missing from what should be there, I give him very strong credence. His logic is very strong. The fact that the GBC's have never investigated this situation and have never made any public apology for the unfortunate history of their projects is very disturbing to me. In fact, I must say that it makes me question their qualification as spiritual leaders. I am happy to see that you personally are working on reports for New Vrndavana, etc. Much better late than never. The past history of New Vrndavana should also be investigated. Once again, as Vyapaka prabhu points out, the mathematics do not add up. According to the number of cows they bred per year, there should be many more cows there. The situation is somewhat awkward because is seems that much of the problem took place while New Vrndavana was not part of ISKCON. Nevertheless, those cows originally belonged to ISKCON. They did not leave ISKCON when the leader of their community became a demon. They were trapped there. So, still ultimately, we should take the responsibility. On the other hand, any community can, on its own investigate its record of abuses -- to the cows, to the children, to the women, and even to other devotees -- it can work to come up with its true history, no matter how shameful that history may be. Then it can present that history before the devotees, before Srila Prabhupada and before the Deities. It can pray for forgiveness and pray for the intelligence and the spirit of cooperation to rectify the sins of the past. Out of such an act of purification can come great hope and a very practical lesson for generations of the future not to repeat our grievous errors. I feel very strongly that much of our current troubles of quarrels come from our failure to come to grips with our shameful history of cow abuse in ISKCON. The GBC where abuse has occurred probably have a good idea of what has happened. Certainly it is their duty to Srila Prabhupada to make sure that the management of all their communities is going nicely. If cows are being abused, it means that "all the affairs of management [are going] to hell" as Srila Prabhupada states in the Seventh Canto. How can ISKCON progress unless we atone for our offenses to Krsna's messengers, the cows? But it is so much more than simply clearing out the bad karma from our sins of the past (or even of the present). If only we will investigate this situation with the cows, when we seriously look for the answers to solve the problem we will change our way of life in a manner that will be much more conducive to Krsna consciousness. Sarve sukhino bhavantu -- Make Everyone Happy -- is what Srila Prabhupada said many times. And that begins with the cows. If we make arrangements so that the cows can actually be taken care of nicely, it will require a complete social restructuring. And that complete restructuring, to "thoroughly overhaul society" as Prabhupada put it, will be into a society where everyone is treated well, and everyone is encouraged in his or her service to Krsna. You ask what is next? What is next is abuse of the elderly -- that's you and me in a very few more years. That's really what is next -- unless we clean up ISKCON and beg Krsna for forgiveness for our spiritual blindness and our sins of the past. Children, women, cows.... I just have to say that I was not surprised that Vrndavana, which is noted for its history of child abuse, and which has evidently lost several hundred cows over the years, was the site of the recent beatings of women. Vrndavana has never publicly apologized for its history of child abuse or cow abuse. This indicates a very weak spiritual leadership. Thus, I am not at all surprised to hear about women abuse. These things are all connected. Without a doubt there are many sincere devotees living and serving Prabhupada there, including the current cowherd. However, when the leadership is so weak that it will not apologize instantly and seek atonement for all its abuses to the children and cows and women, it creates a great handicap for the general spiritual advancement of our society. The question must be asked: Are people who will not uphold the principles taught by Srila Prabhupada and the laws of ISKCON fit to be our spiritual leaders? your servant, Hare Krsna dasi (Text COM:2769698) -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 These points are very pertinent. Legitimate criticism is good, but Mother Hare Krishna who we all give great respect for her work is becoming guilty of jumping the gun in the name of cow protection. She needs to understand that she represents ISKCOWP and is the flag bearer of cow protection in ISKCON, so she has to be more careful in her reporting of the situations that surely always develop when trying to protect Krishna's cows. This may be new ground but I think it time to address this issue of saying these things without legitemate substaniation of the the issue. Also the idea of giving some power to ISKCOWP. Possibly we could organize a membership where `there was some positive organiztional function whereby we could in a nonsecterain spirit function as an educational body as well as a protectorate as well. Then in this mood funds could be raised via this conference and perhaps this could be the beginning of a way to better serve Srila Prabhupada's mission of cow and ox utilization and protection. YS Dvibhuja Das WWW: Jiva Goswami (Dasa) SDG (Newnansville FL - USA) <JivaGo (AT) FDT (DOT) Net> COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; Bir Krishna Goswami <70324.1511 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>; COM: Balavanta (das) ACBSP <Balavanta.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Kalakantha (das) ACBSP (Alachua - USA) <Kalakantha.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; Damon S Campbell <damoncampbell (AT) juno (DOT) com>; COM: Mukhya (dd) (SysOp) (Lund - S) <Mukhya (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Tirtharaj (das) TKG (Brisbane - AU) <Tirtharaj.TKG (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>; sawmilldirect (AT) webtv (DOT) net <sawmilldirect (AT) webtv (DOT) net>; Rennaissanceart (AT) webtv (DOT) net <Rennaissanceart (AT) webtv (DOT) net> Monday, November 15, 1999 7:50 PM A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >[Text 2782095 from COM] > >On 08 Nov 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > >> >> >> Hare Krsna dasi 8 Nov 1999 >> >> A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >> >> ***ABSTRACT: A recent incident of cow abuse in ISKCON has led to focus on >> the alleged perpetrator of the crime, but cow abuse in ISKCON has been >> widespread and on-going. ISKCON's history of cow abuse should be analyzed >> carefully, not simply to vilify certain individuals, but to examine how >> organizational weaknesses lead to situations that foster abuse. >.. > >> 3. In about 1993 or 1994, I heard that through neglect, an ox wandered >> into the hay barn at Gita-nagari, fell partway through the floor boards >> and was slowly electrocuted to death by the barn's electrical system. >> Also around that time, I had my heart broken to learn that Burfi, our >> handsome Brown Swiss lead ox at Gita-nagari for 12 years - who had even >> pulled a cart in front of the White House - was left for a number of days >> to die in a mud hole in the freezing winter weather. >> ... > > >Reformation of cow protection in our society is an extremely important task. I >can't imagine that any follower of Srila Prabhupada could sell, give or >whatever, cows for slaughter as described at Murari. I think I met that >devotee years ago. I'm appalled. There is a sad legacy in ISKCON of failure, >abuse and neglect in nearly all areas: Book distribution, Deity worship, >protection of children and women, fund raising, and on and on. > >Having said that, the above quoted "fact" concerning the ox falling through >the floor in Gita Nagari is a gross misrepresentation. This was pointed out a >couple of years ago when the same author posted the same misinformation. I can >only assume that the balance of the 650+ line post is of the same character. >It is gossip on the National Inquirer/VNN standard. Maybe we need a Grocery >Checkout Tabloid Conference. There is more than enough gossip in my remote >corner of the world that I don't need it on a global level. This kind of lack >of objectivity, poor reasoning and demagoguery is far more pervasive and >possibly closer to the core of ISKCON's problems than the particular issue of >the day. It certainly promotes apathy, as one doesn't know what to believe. >The Vrindavan incident of late is another good example. Should I believe these >reports? The male chauvinist boor version? Or the feminist G.I. Jane version? >Should I still care? I actually prefer the Inquirer as I KNOW that story about >the baby switched at birth with an alien is just crap. It doesn't pretend to >be anything else. > >I'm interested in hearing about problems in our society and what is and/or >what should be done about rectifying and atoning for the sins of the past. I >just wish that these kinds of sensationalized misrepresentations would not >dominate the discussions. Thank God I've seen enough good in our society to be >able to put all the bad into perspective. The good has and still does exist. >Some times I wonder if some of our COM commentators ever get out? I'm more or >less useless, but even I go to the temple sometimes. We've had one great >festival after another down here. I even got 3 loose ox back in their fields >just a couple of days ago. > >One solution to the particular problem of cow protection is to give the Cow >Protection Minister real power. Big title looks good on the business card but >that's about it. How about giving the minister power to levy sanctions on >neglectful GBC's, TP's or whoever. Real sanctions that could actually >motivate. > >Your servant, > >Jiva Goswami das > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 Again the argument is for cow protection and ox utilization, not pottery and even trunip growing. How one addresses the cow protection is different because of the logisitics and the sacradness of the animals. Therefore how do you propose to take care of the large numbers of cows we have now. Certainly this is not philosophical. I say we have to encourage communal support for our ISKCON and if you have some proposal of how to make the transition, then please put it forth as this would be a start in the right direction as you see it and perhaps all together we can start to improve Iskcon cow protection and ox utilization. YS Dvibhuja Das COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA) <Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) bbt (DOT) se> laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net <laksmi (AT) datastar (DOT) net>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Monday, November 15, 1999 7:50 PM Re: A History of Cow Abuse in ISKCON >[Text 2782097 from COM] > > > >Martin wrote: > >> [Text 2772861 from COM] >> >> I would say that this ISKCON was founded by Srila Prabhupada and in my >> experience it functions nicely if we are in the fire so to speak. > >Yes, it works great communally for some people for some time, but being "in >the fire" is not easily sustainable for most devotees. > >> So It >> would seem prdent to understand how to increase our attachement to the >> devotional process, not just consider it useless because some people find it >> not to their likeing. > >Here you seem to be equating devotional process with communalism. I don't >think >that is valid. Devotional service is not limited by socio economic paradigms. >However, you will find little in sastra to support communalism and much to >support private ownership, although not exactly in the sense Americans >percieve >ownership. Limited forms of communalism will always have their place, but not >as an organizational vehicle for a greater mobilization of larger populations. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 Martin wrote: > [Text 2783767 from COM] > > These points are very pertinent. Legitimate criticism is good, but Mother > Hare Krishna who we all give great respect for her work is becoming guilty > of jumping the gun in the name of cow protection. She needs to understand > that she represents ISKCOWP I don't believe Mother Hare Krishna dasi has any direct connection with ISCOWP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 > Therefore how > do you propose to take care of the large numbers of cows we have now. I keep feeling like you must not be reading my e mails because I have stated my position numerous times, yet you continue to place demand on me to explain. Apparently my powers of explanation are inadequate to communicate effectively with you. My proposals are contained in the Minimum Cow Standards that have been approved by the GBC. I can answer questions, if you were to read the document. Certainly the ideas are there in only bare bones fashion, but it is hard for me to fathom what it is you want? please read the Standards and then we could have some discussion on specific points, if they are not detailed enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 > > Just we should change the system. We need to enhance and expand the system. The stress in the Cow Standards is on small scale, with involvement of a broader range of folks than just specialized cowherds. This will manifest variously in various conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA) wrote: > [Text 2784870 from COM] > > > > Martin wrote: > > > [Text 2783767 from COM] > > > > These points are very pertinent. Legitimate criticism is good, but Mother > > Hare Krishna who we all give great respect for her work is becoming guilty > > of jumping the gun in the name of cow protection. She needs to understand > > that she represents ISKCOWP > > I don't believe Mother Hare Krishna dasi has any direct connection with ISCOWP. Madhava Gosh prabhu is correct. I greatly admired the patient work that Chaya and Balabhadra are doing for the Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture -- and for ISCOWP (which is technically a separate entity), but I am not directly connected with them. And, it is even possible that they don't agree with my perspective or my methods in every instance. I certainly did not consult with them before posting my letters on cow slaughter at Murari or a history of cow abuse in ISKCON. That is my independent activity, and no one else should be held accountable for my personal actions. I still hope that by calling attention to widespread allegations of cow abuse in ISKCON, it will foster investigation, apology where warrented, rectification and improvement in our policies and actions concerning cow protection. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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