Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 >Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and >flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the excretion >of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees >who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be offered >to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the bees this >excretion becomes purified. Good question... There are also cows, who are by accident (or not) eating bugs, worms and other creatures together with grass sometimes. I want to know, is it bona fide to offer their milk, despite of their breaking the principles. We say in our preaching to other people, that eating meat is abominable action, and that we get reactions and all kinds of diseases from the meat, so who knows what do we get from meat-eating cow. (remember mad cow disease?) Maybe we should put masks on the cows when there are on pasture, and before feeding them it would be good if a couple of devotees would carefully check all the grass, every leaf and remove all the bugs. Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, like Sikhis do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 >Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and >flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the excretion >of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees >who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be offered >to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the bees this >excretion becomes purified. Good question... There are also cows, who are by accident (or not) eating bugs, worms and other creatures together with grass sometimes. I want to know, is it bona fide to offer their milk, despite of their breaking the principles. We say in our preaching to other people, that eating meat is abominable action, and that we get reactions and all kinds of diseases from the meat, so who knows what do we get from meat-eating cow. (remember mad cow disease?) Maybe we should put masks on the cows when there are on pasture, and before feeding them it would be good if a couple of devotees would carefully check all the grass, every leaf and remove all the bugs. Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, like Sikhis do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Yesterday I wrote: >Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, >like Sikhis do. Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all Sikhas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Yesterday I wrote: >Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, >like Sikhis do. Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all Sikhas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Hare Krishna . That last part for your info Prabhu, it is the Jains who do this not the sikhs. Hari bol !!!!! R. Jai Simman COM: (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) <Oleg.Demtchenko (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> COM: bona fide yes or no? <bona.fide.yes.or.no?@com.bbt.se> Cc: COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:52 PM Re: honey >[Text 2147030 from COM] > >>Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and >>flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the excretion >>of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees >>who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be offered >>to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the bees this >>excretion becomes purified. > >Good question... There are also cows, who are by accident (or not) >eating bugs, worms and other creatures together with grass sometimes. >I want to know, is it bona fide to offer their milk, despite of >their breaking the principles. > >We say in our preaching to other people, that eating meat is abominable >action, and that we get reactions and all kinds of diseases from the meat, >so who knows what do we get from meat-eating cow. (remember mad cow disease?) > >Maybe we should put masks on the cows when there are on pasture, and >before feeding them it would be good if a couple of devotees would >carefully check all the grass, every leaf and remove all the bugs. > >Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, >like Sikhis do. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Hare Krishna . That last part for your info Prabhu, it is the Jains who do this not the sikhs. Hari bol !!!!! R. Jai Simman COM: (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) <Oleg.Demtchenko (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> COM: bona fide yes or no? <bona.fide.yes.or.no?@com.bbt.se> Cc: COM: Varnasrama development <Varnasrama.development (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:52 PM Re: honey >[Text 2147030 from COM] > >>Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and >>flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the excretion >>of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees >>who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be offered >>to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the bees this >>excretion becomes purified. > >Good question... There are also cows, who are by accident (or not) >eating bugs, worms and other creatures together with grass sometimes. >I want to know, is it bona fide to offer their milk, despite of >their breaking the principles. > >We say in our preaching to other people, that eating meat is abominable >action, and that we get reactions and all kinds of diseases from the meat, >so who knows what do we get from meat-eating cow. (remember mad cow disease?) > >Maybe we should put masks on the cows when there are on pasture, and >before feeding them it would be good if a couple of devotees would >carefully check all the grass, every leaf and remove all the bugs. > >Yeah, and at the end we may hope that one day we will raise our sadhana >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, >like Sikhis do. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 > like Sikhis do You mean the Jains, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 > like Sikhis do You mean the Jains, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 >Dear Oleg, I understand what you want to say, but still it was a serios >question and you are answering in a quite ironic way. So one might >understand it as if you are not answering the question rather than making a >joke out of it. So this might result in not taking your recommendation >seriously. Although my letter was not offensive, I bring my apologies to all devotees, who were offended by my joking mood. This mood is not rare to me, so consider it for future also. That's the way I'm fighting with miseries of life. About taking my letter seriously, I know quite some people, who don't consider varnasrama seriously, so I don't care really much if some people ignore me. I'm not a big guy, and I'm doing mistakes too. >As far as I understand you actually wanted to say that you consider this >impure substance in some honey a minor problem and devotees should disregard >it. Yes, I have doubts that the forest honey is not acceptable. I read "Krsna Book" and there Krishna, Balarama and cowherd boys were enjoying by preparations made of honey. They lived in Vrindavan, right? There were a lot of forests. And honey, which they ate, was produced probably right there. So if they ate it, why don't we offer it them now? This question is undoubtly important for Vegans, but I have doubts that common devotees should consider it. It was news for me to hear that bees are collecting honey from the lice. They are designed by Creator to serve flowers, so maybe collecting from the lice is accidental or temporary. There is a honey, which produced on fields full of poisonous herbs, so try to avoid it, consider this when buying honey, because it can cause serious diseases. >I am sure there might be other opinions, but thank you for your input. Thank you too. yhs, bh Oleg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 >Dear Oleg, I understand what you want to say, but still it was a serios >question and you are answering in a quite ironic way. So one might >understand it as if you are not answering the question rather than making a >joke out of it. So this might result in not taking your recommendation >seriously. Although my letter was not offensive, I bring my apologies to all devotees, who were offended by my joking mood. This mood is not rare to me, so consider it for future also. That's the way I'm fighting with miseries of life. About taking my letter seriously, I know quite some people, who don't consider varnasrama seriously, so I don't care really much if some people ignore me. I'm not a big guy, and I'm doing mistakes too. >As far as I understand you actually wanted to say that you consider this >impure substance in some honey a minor problem and devotees should disregard >it. Yes, I have doubts that the forest honey is not acceptable. I read "Krsna Book" and there Krishna, Balarama and cowherd boys were enjoying by preparations made of honey. They lived in Vrindavan, right? There were a lot of forests. And honey, which they ate, was produced probably right there. So if they ate it, why don't we offer it them now? This question is undoubtly important for Vegans, but I have doubts that common devotees should consider it. It was news for me to hear that bees are collecting honey from the lice. They are designed by Creator to serve flowers, so maybe collecting from the lice is accidental or temporary. There is a honey, which produced on fields full of poisonous herbs, so try to avoid it, consider this when buying honey, because it can cause serious diseases. >I am sure there might be other opinions, but thank you for your input. Thank you too. yhs, bh Oleg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 That was a good one. I have forwarded it to the jokes conference. Simultaneously you have answered the question. your servant malati manjari dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 That was a good one. I have forwarded it to the jokes conference. Simultaneously you have answered the question. your servant malati manjari dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 > >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, > >like Sikhis do. > Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all > Sikhas. My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your lotus-feet. But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around nude, how can they wear cloth on their faces? YS, Bh Eduard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 At 00:11 12/03/99 +0100, COM: (Bhakta) Eduard (Wiesbaden - D) wrote: >My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your >lotus-feet. Uh-oh. There is no such thing as "my lotus feet". It doesn't exist in the nature, so your sikha worshipped some void. >But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around nude, >how can they wear cloth on their faces? They do. At least they supposed to do so. Farewell, Eddie. yhs bh Oleg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Text COM:2147030 (23 lines) > (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) > 09-Mar-99 20:28 > bona fide yes or no? [139] > Cc: Varnasrama development [8952] > Re: honey > --------------------------- > >Basically there are two different kinds of honey: one of blossoms and > >flowers and one from the forest. The forest honey is made from the > excretion > >of certain lice (which contains lots of protein) and is taken by the bees > >who transform it into honey. I wonder if such kind of honey can be > >offered to Krsna or in other words if through the transformation by the > >bees this excretion becomes purified. I lived in the rainforests of south India for sometime, and we would regularly get fantastic honey from the local gatherers. That forest contained abundant species of trees, many of which had various types of flowers, as well as other plant species. I would be surprised if forest bees in other locations were restricted only to such insects. Many trees have a flowering season, although not necesarily the kind of flowers, we recognise. Although not a topic for this conference, it is interesting. On another topic, are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks considered grains? YS Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 > > > Although not a topic for this conference, it is interesting. On another > topic, are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks > considered grains? > > YS Samba das During the installation ceremonies of Srila Prabhupada into the Palace in NV in 1979, I remember having that very same conversation with Jayadvaita (now) Swami. It was ekadasi and he was drinking a 7 UP. It did not say corn sweetner on the can itself, but as I was quite the fanatic in those days, I was suggesting to him that given the possibility that it could have corn sweetner in it, perhaps he shouldn't drink it. He continued anyway. He mentioned how as Srila Prabhupada himself had drank 7 UP on long flights, he felt it was okay to drink. I can't remember if the actual issue if it was a sweetner or a grain came up, as it may have been a nonissue to him because it wasn't listed as an ingredient anyway. Bhaktipada's opinion was that it wasn't a grain , it was a sweetner. As per using it on ekadasi, the principle of ekadasi is austerity, so to err on the side of austerity would seem to be a guiding principle, although I am a hypocrite on that level. >From a dietary perspective, ekadasi seems to be the day you give your digestive system a break, as beans and grains are more complex to digest, whereas the corn sweetner isn't, so from that perspective it isn't a grain. I don't understand why this wouldn't be a topic for this conference? VAD is essentially a system to get people fed, so a detail of how to do that has as much significance as theorectical considerations, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 On 12 Mar 1999, Madhava Gosh wrote: > > are sweeteners obtained from corn and used to sweeten drinks > > considered grains? I remember having that very same conversation with Jayadvaita (now) > Swami. It was ekadasi and he was drinking a 7 UP. It did not say corn > sweetner > on the can itself, but as I was quite the fanatic in those days, I was > suggesting to him that given the possibility that it could have corn sweetner > in > it, perhaps he shouldn't drink it. My understanding is that corn syrup is produced from the corn *stalk*, not the grain, so that it is OK to have on Ekadasi. I don't know if that is a fact. On the other hand, I agree with Sriman Gosh; it's better to reduce the sense grat on that day. BTW, Gosh, even if one doesn't follow the rules and regs so strictly, it doesn't make you a hypocrite to simply state what the rules are. It's when one criticizes or chastises others for being loose, while secretly being loose him/herself. Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu gives an excellent analysis of this in his Cure of Souls tape series, which I highly recommend to everyone. It's better (and more applicable to devotees) than the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 > > > My understanding is that corn syrup is produced from the corn *stalk*, not the > grain, so that it is OK to have on Ekadasi. I don't know if that is a fact. It's not. Corn syrup comes from the grain. Sorghum molasses does come from the stalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1999 Report Share Posted March 15, 1999 > > >and walk with cotton cloth on faces and sweepping the road in our walk, > > >like Sikhis do. > > Please excuse my ignorance. I meant "like Jainists do". I apology to all > > Sikhas. > My sikha accepted your apology and pays obeisances in the dust of your > lotus-feet. But by the way, I always thought that Jainists run around > nude, how can they wear cloth on their faces? > YS, Bh Eduard. I lived in the South Kanara district of Karnataka for a few years where Jainism all began from some of the followers of Lord Rishabhadeva. There are ancient Jain temples everywhere. Modern Jains wear clothes, but cover their faces to avoid inhaling and thus killing microbes in the air. Every now and then you come across some more fundamental Jains who go naked, and others who wear only one white cloth and carry a very large whisk type of sweeping implement to brush ants and other small creatures from their path. YS Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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