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At 5:54 -0800 1/17/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

>On the other hand, the GHQ, for all their faults, were only engaged in

>preparing (or conspiring as you would like to say) their paper for

>submission to the GBC for action. Now you can understand who's really in

>ISKCON.

 

Yes, we all are, including the GHQ members. I'm saying that GHQs actions

don't *represent* ISKCON. The GBC's actions do (does "ultimate managing

authority" ring a bell?), which is why I quoted them.

 

So if one group of devotees act outside the parameters of decent conduct

established by the managing authority, and their actions are not condoned

by the organization - they do *not represent the organization*.

 

Thus, revealing all their dirty laundry is more of a form of purging and

allows the organization to distance itself publically from some very

un-vaisnava like practices.

 

Sometimes it is actually very helpful to a society to share past events

that have happened within the organization, but of which the management

strongly disapproves. Take the example of the recent press releases on the

child abuse which had been committed by ISKCON members. ISKCON distanced

itself from the abusive behaviors shown by several of its members and

washed this "dirty laundry" too in public last fall (in newspapers all over

the world). Did you disagree with that "dirty laundry washing" too?

 

Similarly, many individuals, both inside and outside ISKCON, know that

there are sexist members of our society who would like nothing better than

to oppress women and limit their opportunities for devotional service. Many

of us have heard the foul language before and many devotees have told me

that they wondered if this is actually something approved of by the

leadership. So now everything is out in the open and those people know

that: No, the ISKCON leadership does not approve of such behaviors. That

will ultimately serve ISKCON well.

 

Besides, I have to ask again: WHat happened to the gratitude to Ardhabuddhi

expressed by both Ameyatma and Guru-Krsna Prabhus on behalf of GHQ in their

early papers? They stated that the GHQ members were glad that everything

was now out in the open. Yet, I still have not seen a single thank you

letter to mahanidhi Prabhu. ?????

 

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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At 5:54 -0800 1/17/99, COM: Goloka Candra (das) JPS (Malaysia) wrote:

 

>On the other hand, the GHQ, for all their faults, were only engaged in

>preparing (or conspiring as you would like to say) their paper for

>submission to the GBC for action. Now you can understand who's really in

>ISKCON.

 

Yes, we all are, including the GHQ members. I'm saying that GHQs actions

don't *represent* ISKCON. The GBC's actions do (does "ultimate managing

authority" ring a bell?), which is why I quoted them.

 

So if one group of devotees act outside the parameters of decent conduct

established by the managing authority, and their actions are not condoned

by the organization - they do *not represent the organization*.

 

Thus, revealing all their dirty laundry is more of a form of purging and

allows the organization to distance itself publically from some very

un-vaisnava like practices.

 

Sometimes it is actually very helpful to a society to share past events

that have happened within the organization, but of which the management

strongly disapproves. Take the example of the recent press releases on the

child abuse which had been committed by ISKCON members. ISKCON distanced

itself from the abusive behaviors shown by several of its members and

washed this "dirty laundry" too in public last fall (in newspapers all over

the world). Did you disagree with that "dirty laundry washing" too?

 

Similarly, many individuals, both inside and outside ISKCON, know that

there are sexist members of our society who would like nothing better than

to oppress women and limit their opportunities for devotional service. Many

of us have heard the foul language before and many devotees have told me

that they wondered if this is actually something approved of by the

leadership. So now everything is out in the open and those people know

that: No, the ISKCON leadership does not approve of such behaviors. That

will ultimately serve ISKCON well.

 

Besides, I have to ask again: WHat happened to the gratitude to Ardhabuddhi

expressed by both Ameyatma and Guru-Krsna Prabhus on behalf of GHQ in their

early papers? They stated that the GHQ members were glad that everything

was now out in the open. Yet, I still have not seen a single thank you

letter to mahanidhi Prabhu. ?????

 

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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> Let's face it, we can't pretend that our actions doesn't affect the

> organisation we belong to. This is the point: that Ardhabuddi dasa and

> associates ought to have known that their actions in annonymously sending

> selected texts from a COM private conference to VNN would smear ISKCON's

> image.

 

Yes, any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them is

going to be smeared. GHQ associating itself with ISKCON smears ISKCON. Taht

is

the primery cause. Exposing it is secondary.

 

> Yet they chose to go ahead, bypassing existing lines of authority.

> Meaning: Either no faith in the internal authority system in ISKCON or

> intending flagrant disrespect to the authority system.

 

GHQ's proposal was that anyone who opposed them should be stripped of positions

and expelled for ISKCON. They opposed the decision of the GBC to create a

Women's Ministry and to have a woman as GBC. That is much more serious lack

of

faith then publicising something openly. Your priorities are seriously skewed.

 

I know, I said I wasn't going to comment on GHQ anymore, but this kind of

word

jugglery is too blatant to ignore. I am unable to tolerate it.

 

>

>

> On the other hand, the GHQ, for all their faults, were only engaged in

> preparing (or conspiring as you would like to say) their paper for

> submission to the GBC for action. Now you can understand who's really in

> ISKCON

 

> Your servant,

> Goloka Candra dasa

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> Let's face it, we can't pretend that our actions doesn't affect the

> organisation we belong to. This is the point: that Ardhabuddi dasa and

> associates ought to have known that their actions in annonymously sending

> selected texts from a COM private conference to VNN would smear ISKCON's

> image.

 

Yes, any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them is

going to be smeared. GHQ associating itself with ISKCON smears ISKCON. Taht

is

the primery cause. Exposing it is secondary.

 

> Yet they chose to go ahead, bypassing existing lines of authority.

> Meaning: Either no faith in the internal authority system in ISKCON or

> intending flagrant disrespect to the authority system.

 

GHQ's proposal was that anyone who opposed them should be stripped of positions

and expelled for ISKCON. They opposed the decision of the GBC to create a

Women's Ministry and to have a woman as GBC. That is much more serious lack

of

faith then publicising something openly. Your priorities are seriously skewed.

 

I know, I said I wasn't going to comment on GHQ anymore, but this kind of

word

jugglery is too blatant to ignore. I am unable to tolerate it.

 

>

>

> On the other hand, the GHQ, for all their faults, were only engaged in

> preparing (or conspiring as you would like to say) their paper for

> submission to the GBC for action. Now you can understand who's really in

> ISKCON

 

> Your servant,

> Goloka Candra dasa

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> > Let's face it, we can't pretend that our actions doesn't affect the

> > organisation we belong to. This is the point: that Ardhabuddi dasa and

> > associates ought to have known that their actions in annonymously

> > sending selected texts from a COM private conference to VNN would smear

> > ISKCON's image.

>

> Yes, any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

> is going to be smeared. GHQ associating itself with ISKCON smears ISKCON.

> Taht is the primery cause. Exposing it is secondary.

 

Any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

is not going to be smeared so long as the option to resolve it internally

had been scrupulously maintained. Those who chose to scuttle this option and

expose it all outside smeared ISKCON.

 

> > Yet they chose to go ahead, bypassing existing lines of authority.

> > Meaning: Either no faith in the internal authority system in ISKCON or

> > intending flagrant disrespect to the authority system.

>

> GHQ's proposal was that anyone who opposed them should be stripped of

> positions and expelled for ISKCON.

 

You just made a blanket statement without any justification whatsoever.

Fact is: There was no GHQ proposal at that stage. It was just being

brain-stormed. And certainly, not everybody in the GHQ is going to accept

the above blanket statement being written into the final proposal.

 

> They opposed the decision of the GBC

> to create a Women's Ministry and to have a woman as GBC. That is much

> more serious lack of faith then publicising something openly. Your

> priorities are seriously skewed.

 

Dissent should be allowed to express itself through the authorised channels.

Better that than suppressing the right to disagree. The GHQ chose this

loyalist approach of submitting their dissent on paper to the authority

(GBC).

 

On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had no

other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

support their actions.

 

> I know, I said I wasn't going to comment on GHQ anymore, but this kind

> of word jugglery is too blatant to ignore. I am unable to tolerate it.

 

Word jugglery? Please address the above issues.

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> > Let's face it, we can't pretend that our actions doesn't affect the

> > organisation we belong to. This is the point: that Ardhabuddi dasa and

> > associates ought to have known that their actions in annonymously

> > sending selected texts from a COM private conference to VNN would smear

> > ISKCON's image.

>

> Yes, any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

> is going to be smeared. GHQ associating itself with ISKCON smears ISKCON.

> Taht is the primery cause. Exposing it is secondary.

 

Any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

is not going to be smeared so long as the option to resolve it internally

had been scrupulously maintained. Those who chose to scuttle this option and

expose it all outside smeared ISKCON.

 

> > Yet they chose to go ahead, bypassing existing lines of authority.

> > Meaning: Either no faith in the internal authority system in ISKCON or

> > intending flagrant disrespect to the authority system.

>

> GHQ's proposal was that anyone who opposed them should be stripped of

> positions and expelled for ISKCON.

 

You just made a blanket statement without any justification whatsoever.

Fact is: There was no GHQ proposal at that stage. It was just being

brain-stormed. And certainly, not everybody in the GHQ is going to accept

the above blanket statement being written into the final proposal.

 

> They opposed the decision of the GBC

> to create a Women's Ministry and to have a woman as GBC. That is much

> more serious lack of faith then publicising something openly. Your

> priorities are seriously skewed.

 

Dissent should be allowed to express itself through the authorised channels.

Better that than suppressing the right to disagree. The GHQ chose this

loyalist approach of submitting their dissent on paper to the authority

(GBC).

 

On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had no

other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

support their actions.

 

> I know, I said I wasn't going to comment on GHQ anymore, but this kind

> of word jugglery is too blatant to ignore. I am unable to tolerate it.

 

Word jugglery? Please address the above issues.

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> Any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

> is not going to be smeared so long as the option to resolve it internally

> had been scrupulously maintained. Those who chose to scuttle this option and

> expose it all outside smeared ISKCON.

 

Say what? Please drink some hot milk and read this again. The GHQ texts

smeared ISKCON. Exposing it did expose that smear. It didn't create the

smear.

 

> You just made a blanket statement without any justification whatsoever.

> Fact is: There was no GHQ proposal at that stage. It was just being

> brain-stormed. And certainly, not everybody in the GHQ is going to accept

> the above blanket statement being written into the final proposal.

 

The first thing that happened after the big expose was requests made to see

where GHQ members stood on these issues. There was a lot of caviling, but no

denials. If GHQers had disassociated thenselves from that position, then

alot

of reaction would have been avoided. But they din't hence the reaction. I am

noting that you have made a vague statement here and have not directly

distanced

your self from that position. Personally, until I hear from GHQers that that

is not their position, I have to assume that it is. The justification is that

GHQers did make the statement and they have not repudiated it.

 

>

>

> Dissent should be allowed to express itself through the authorised channels.

> Better that than suppressing the right to disagree. The GHQ chose this

> loyalist approach of submitting their dissent on paper to the authority

> (GBC).

>

 

And the women took a position of establishing a ministry to deal with women's

issues under the approval of the GBC. That is pretty loyalist. It is out in

the open and approved by the GBC. The stated GHQ position was that the Women's

Ministry should be abolished or at lest co opted. So who is suppressing the

right to disagree?

 

> On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

> process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had no

> other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

> support their actions.

>

 

The Women's Ministry is part of that internal authority system. I have faith

in

it. Do GHQers?

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> Any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them

> is not going to be smeared so long as the option to resolve it internally

> had been scrupulously maintained. Those who chose to scuttle this option and

> expose it all outside smeared ISKCON.

 

Say what? Please drink some hot milk and read this again. The GHQ texts

smeared ISKCON. Exposing it did expose that smear. It didn't create the

smear.

 

> You just made a blanket statement without any justification whatsoever.

> Fact is: There was no GHQ proposal at that stage. It was just being

> brain-stormed. And certainly, not everybody in the GHQ is going to accept

> the above blanket statement being written into the final proposal.

 

The first thing that happened after the big expose was requests made to see

where GHQ members stood on these issues. There was a lot of caviling, but no

denials. If GHQers had disassociated thenselves from that position, then

alot

of reaction would have been avoided. But they din't hence the reaction. I am

noting that you have made a vague statement here and have not directly

distanced

your self from that position. Personally, until I hear from GHQers that that

is not their position, I have to assume that it is. The justification is that

GHQers did make the statement and they have not repudiated it.

 

>

>

> Dissent should be allowed to express itself through the authorised channels.

> Better that than suppressing the right to disagree. The GHQ chose this

> loyalist approach of submitting their dissent on paper to the authority

> (GBC).

>

 

And the women took a position of establishing a ministry to deal with women's

issues under the approval of the GBC. That is pretty loyalist. It is out in

the open and approved by the GBC. The stated GHQ position was that the Women's

Ministry should be abolished or at lest co opted. So who is suppressing the

right to disagree?

 

> On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

> process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had no

> other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

> support their actions.

>

 

The Women's Ministry is part of that internal authority system. I have faith

in

it. Do GHQers?

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> On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

> process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had

> no other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

> support their actions.

 

You are quite on the point, Goloka Candra prabhu - no faith

in the internal authority system. True. So what you are

going to do in this regard, in order to help me develop

that faith? Will you continue here with your public agitation

to hang and string "Ardhabuddhi das" immediately after he

has disclosed himself, or will you finally approach that internal

authority system and handle the case over to them? Where is your

faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

the authority system whatsoever?

 

Please do it through the internal authority system, not on

some public COM forum. You (or anybody else for that matter)

got supplied the name you wanted and hunted for, now take it

and go with it where appropriate. Have faith into the internal

authority system and stop simply brushing the ears of other

person(s) in public for not having the same faith that you are

not demonstrating yourself.

 

Or is it anarchy going on in this society, with the rule "The

strongest survive"? In that case, my advise to anybody: Do not

disclose yourself when asked for it "humbly in the assembly

of Vaisnavas". Forget it, don't get fooled. Stay in disclose,

do not try honesty when "honesty" is simply the mean to pull

you for your nose in order to get the chance to hang and string

you up.

 

 

It is very simple to understand, after all it these are your

words:

 

> Isn't there a line of authority within ISKCON itself for Mahanidhi dasa

> and company to report to if he had felt aggrieved? Seems like this is the

> crux of the whole problem.

 

So, isn't there a line of authority within ISKCON for Goloka

Candra das (and "company", eventually) to report to if he is

feeling aggrieved?

 

No, there is not. He will do it himself, on the spot. "Inside"

of ISKCON. (Good greef, it makes one happy to know to be

stoned and hung up "inside" and not "outside", in the "assembly

of Vaisnavas" by self-proclaimed knowers of morality, truth,

righteousness, ISKCON-inity, etc, - the pounders of aproaching

the line of right authority... )

 

 

Plese kindly cease from attacing and judging me in public. You

are doing wrong thing, it is not your business to do it. Chant,

be happy, and have trust in the line of authority within ISKCON.

 

 

 

 

ys mnd

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> On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

> process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they had

> no other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system. And you

> support their actions.

 

You are quite on the point, Goloka Candra prabhu - no faith

in the internal authority system. True. So what you are

going to do in this regard, in order to help me develop

that faith? Will you continue here with your public agitation

to hang and string "Ardhabuddhi das" immediately after he

has disclosed himself, or will you finally approach that internal

authority system and handle the case over to them? Where is your

faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

the authority system whatsoever?

 

Please do it through the internal authority system, not on

some public COM forum. You (or anybody else for that matter)

got supplied the name you wanted and hunted for, now take it

and go with it where appropriate. Have faith into the internal

authority system and stop simply brushing the ears of other

person(s) in public for not having the same faith that you are

not demonstrating yourself.

 

Or is it anarchy going on in this society, with the rule "The

strongest survive"? In that case, my advise to anybody: Do not

disclose yourself when asked for it "humbly in the assembly

of Vaisnavas". Forget it, don't get fooled. Stay in disclose,

do not try honesty when "honesty" is simply the mean to pull

you for your nose in order to get the chance to hang and string

you up.

 

 

It is very simple to understand, after all it these are your

words:

 

> Isn't there a line of authority within ISKCON itself for Mahanidhi dasa

> and company to report to if he had felt aggrieved? Seems like this is the

> crux of the whole problem.

 

So, isn't there a line of authority within ISKCON for Goloka

Candra das (and "company", eventually) to report to if he is

feeling aggrieved?

 

No, there is not. He will do it himself, on the spot. "Inside"

of ISKCON. (Good greef, it makes one happy to know to be

stoned and hung up "inside" and not "outside", in the "assembly

of Vaisnavas" by self-proclaimed knowers of morality, truth,

righteousness, ISKCON-inity, etc, - the pounders of aproaching

the line of right authority... )

 

 

Plese kindly cease from attacing and judging me in public. You

are doing wrong thing, it is not your business to do it. Chant,

be happy, and have trust in the line of authority within ISKCON.

 

 

 

 

ys mnd

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>Where is your

>faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

>faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

>the authority system whatsoever?

 

Touche!

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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>Where is your

>faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

>faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

>the authority system whatsoever?

 

Touche!

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

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> >Where is your

> >faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

> >faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

> >the authority system whatsoever?

>

> Touche!

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

Passe!

 

Your servant,

Goloka Candra dasa

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> > Any organisation that has those types of texts associated with them is

> > not going to be smeared so long as the option to resolve it internally

> > had been scrupulously maintained. Those who chose to scuttle this option

> > and expose it all outside smeared ISKCON.

>

> Say what? Please drink some hot milk and read this again. The GHQ texts

> smeared ISKCON. Exposing it did expose that smear. It didn't create the

> smear.

 

The intent of the GHQ texts (though not always polite) was to express

dissent through internal channels. The intent of those who exposed it

outside was to smear the GHQ and by implication ISKCON.

Where's the finer tissues that ought to have developed after all your hot

milk drinking?

 

> > You just made a blanket statement without any justification whatsoever.

> > Fact is: There was no GHQ proposal at that stage. It was just being

> > brain-stormed. And certainly, not everybody in the GHQ is going to

> > accept the above blanket statement being written into the final

> > proposal.

>

> The first thing that happened after the big expose was requests made to

> see where GHQ members stood on these issues. There was a lot of caviling,

> but no denials. If GHQers had disassociated thenselves from that

> position, then alot of reaction would have been avoided. But they din't

> hence the reaction. I am noting that you have made a vague statement here

> and have not directly distanced your self from that position. Personally,

> until I hear from GHQers that that is not their position, I have to

> assume that it is. The justification is that GHQers did make the

> statement and they have not repudiated it.

 

I was referring to your statement that "the GHQ's proposal was that anyone

who opposed them should be stripped of positions and expelled for ISKCON."

This statement is not only sweeping but false. Repeat: fact is, there was no

GHQ proposal at that time. It was just being brainstormed.

So any mob pressure tactic of trying the force the GHQ members to take a

stand immediately on that and other issues was premature.

 

> > Dissent should be allowed to express itself through the authorised

> > channels. Better that than suppressing the right to disagree. The GHQ

> > chose this loyalist approach of submitting their dissent on paper to the

> > authority (GBC).

 

> And the women took a position of establishing a ministry to deal with

> women's issues under the approval of the GBC. That is pretty loyalist.

> It is out in the open and approved by the GBC. The stated GHQ position

> was that the Women's Ministry should be abolished or at lest co opted. So

> who is suppressing the right to disagree?

 

Co-opting still leaves the channels open for disagreement.

 

> > On the other hand, it can inferred that those who tried to pre-empt this

> > process by leaking it outside to ISKCON-unfriendly places, as if they

> > had no other resort, showed no faith in the internal authority system.

> > And you support their actions.

> >

> The Women's Ministry is part of that internal authority system. I have

> faith in it. Do GHQers?

 

You are deviating. The women's ministry are not the authorities to deal with

culprits who leak out COM's private texts to ISKCON-unfriendly places. The

GBC are the ultimate authorities of this internal system. The GHQ must have

faith in their ultimate judgement (otherwise why would they be putting up a

paper for submission to the GBC?).

Do you also have faith in the GBC to match your declared explicit faith in

the women's ministry?

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> >Where is your

> >faith into the internal authority system? How can we have that

> >faith when we see you screaming for linch, not caring for

> >the authority system whatsoever?

>

> Touche!

>

> Ys,

> Madhusudani dasi

 

Passe!

 

Your servant,

Goloka Candra dasa

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> That's a good point you made about going through authority. In case you

> didn't notice my earlier text, your case was brought to the attention of

> the sysop in charge of COM (scene of your "crimes"). See, the first line

> of authority. Let's await the decision.

 

 

You did not notice that my text was no need to bring to the

attention of the sysop anyway, since the sysop was already

the receiver of it on the first place. And you refused to accept

the sysop's (authority's) request to restrain from this particular

polemic on COM since it is inflammatory with the potential

to divide devotees into the fighting camps. And it is so.

 

I have no problem with facing those who are eager to see the

earth soaking with the blood of "Ardhabuddhi", eager for

revanche for what he did to them - publicly exposed their

actions. But I have problem with your doing it in front of

everybody else what in turn involves other devotees in

also (who will object you), thus creating the friction

among devotees. I do not want it. You shoudn't either.

 

 

 

 

>

> Whatever else I said about you was said in reply to questions from those

> who tried to justify your actions. If they continue in similar tack, so

> will my replies.

 

Either you are not aware of your own actions here, or you simply

deliberately lying to all of us. When you proclaimed that Mahanidi

dasa is to be stung up and hanged or at least kicked of COM,

that was the "answer" on particularly nobody's justification of

Mahanidhi das (at that moment). You were asked for apologies to

somebody else, but instead went hanging Mahanidhi das. Then your

hanging up me was objected by others, so then it goes... having

you now talking "if they continue..."

 

 

>

> But isn't it my business to answer my email, especially when somebody puts

> the question in a public text? If that text refers to your case, then any

> answer will be seen as judgement of your actions. That cannot be avoided.

> But thanks anyway for your last bit of advice.

 

 

So you do whatever you think it is your business. When nobody asks

you "What shall we do now with this Mahanidhi das", you can give

the answer on that kind of e-mail that exists in your mind only.

Since it's your business, right? And when you are asked by the sysop

not to indulge in this particular debate, you go doing your business

of not caring for it at all (so do I, but I am a criminal already,

but you are not supposed to be like me).

 

 

As I said, my intention is to try prevent these forum splitting

over "Mahanidhi's case". That is the only reason why I am insisting

that you go through the authority line to pursue the matter instead

of doing in here. Otherwise I do not bother for myself. You got list

with charges, you got the clear name, you got obviously the idea of

the kind of punishment to be executed on. You got clear case, so to

say. So go with it to whomever you consider to be the person in

charge, and await for decision. Go to the GBC if you are still not

satisfied. But do not create the frictions among devotees by taking

the "justice" into your own hands here. Isn't that so simple to

understand?

 

 

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After all, what kind of "hero" you are playing here anyway?

Without me you would have gotten no chance to jump (in lower

case) on me for my neck. It is by my mercy that you have this

nice opportunity to get the satisfaction of seeing "Ardhabuddhi's"

blood. And you still depend on me for that in quite some extent.

So be nice boy and cooperate with "mom" at least, if you are

already so unthankful for what I have done for you.

 

 

 

 

ys mnd

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> That's a good point you made about going through authority. In case you

> didn't notice my earlier text, your case was brought to the attention of

> the sysop in charge of COM (scene of your "crimes"). See, the first line

> of authority. Let's await the decision.

 

 

You did not notice that my text was no need to bring to the

attention of the sysop anyway, since the sysop was already

the receiver of it on the first place. And you refused to accept

the sysop's (authority's) request to restrain from this particular

polemic on COM since it is inflammatory with the potential

to divide devotees into the fighting camps. And it is so.

 

I have no problem with facing those who are eager to see the

earth soaking with the blood of "Ardhabuddhi", eager for

revanche for what he did to them - publicly exposed their

actions. But I have problem with your doing it in front of

everybody else what in turn involves other devotees in

also (who will object you), thus creating the friction

among devotees. I do not want it. You shoudn't either.

 

 

 

 

>

> Whatever else I said about you was said in reply to questions from those

> who tried to justify your actions. If they continue in similar tack, so

> will my replies.

 

Either you are not aware of your own actions here, or you simply

deliberately lying to all of us. When you proclaimed that Mahanidi

dasa is to be stung up and hanged or at least kicked of COM,

that was the "answer" on particularly nobody's justification of

Mahanidhi das (at that moment). You were asked for apologies to

somebody else, but instead went hanging Mahanidhi das. Then your

hanging up me was objected by others, so then it goes... having

you now talking "if they continue..."

 

 

>

> But isn't it my business to answer my email, especially when somebody puts

> the question in a public text? If that text refers to your case, then any

> answer will be seen as judgement of your actions. That cannot be avoided.

> But thanks anyway for your last bit of advice.

 

 

So you do whatever you think it is your business. When nobody asks

you "What shall we do now with this Mahanidhi das", you can give

the answer on that kind of e-mail that exists in your mind only.

Since it's your business, right? And when you are asked by the sysop

not to indulge in this particular debate, you go doing your business

of not caring for it at all (so do I, but I am a criminal already,

but you are not supposed to be like me).

 

 

As I said, my intention is to try prevent these forum splitting

over "Mahanidhi's case". That is the only reason why I am insisting

that you go through the authority line to pursue the matter instead

of doing in here. Otherwise I do not bother for myself. You got list

with charges, you got the clear name, you got obviously the idea of

the kind of punishment to be executed on. You got clear case, so to

say. So go with it to whomever you consider to be the person in

charge, and await for decision. Go to the GBC if you are still not

satisfied. But do not create the frictions among devotees by taking

the "justice" into your own hands here. Isn't that so simple to

understand?

 

 

--------------------------------

 

After all, what kind of "hero" you are playing here anyway?

Without me you would have gotten no chance to jump (in lower

case) on me for my neck. It is by my mercy that you have this

nice opportunity to get the satisfaction of seeing "Ardhabuddhi's"

blood. And you still depend on me for that in quite some extent.

So be nice boy and cooperate with "mom" at least, if you are

already so unthankful for what I have done for you.

 

 

 

 

ys mnd

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