To set the record straight -- one more thing

[Guest guest]

On 6 Oct 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

> The best would be that superiors show proper example in the first place,

than the inferiors would naturally follow their good example.

 

This has been precisely my point since the beginning of this discussion.

But let's take it back to the instigating cause and not stop the frame at some

intermediate episode in the middle. It was specific GBC policies that set the

improprieties in motion. If anybody's guru maharaja played a part in that,

then those devotees (gurus) are also responsible. I am not faulting anyone's

guru, but we need to speak the honest truth amongst ourselves. We can deal

with it as we may, but we must stop trying to deny it.

 

> There was no question of any propaganda. Some were even asking Srila prabhu

not to put us in this kind of situation, but he continued to cut with his

sadhus-knife and I think that he could also take a part of responsibility that

discussion has ended up in this way.

 

Remember, "It takes to tango." [dance] Anyone of you could have bowed out at

any time. (BTW, I still see your postings here.) One protest leads to another,

I guess. But where did the *problem* start? This is the crux of the matter.

And this was my point from the very beginning.

 

When we try to get to the botttom of the issue, we will see that it actually

starts at the "top."

 

Hare Krsna.

 

As a servant of all the Vaisnavas,

 

Srila dasa

[Guest guest]

On 6 Oct 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

> The best would be that superiors show proper example in the first place,

than the inferiors would naturally follow their good example.

 

This has been precisely my point since the beginning of this discussion.

But let's take it back to the instigating cause and not stop the frame at some

intermediate episode in the middle. It was specific GBC policies that set the

improprieties in motion. If anybody's guru maharaja played a part in that,

then those devotees (gurus) are also responsible. I am not faulting anyone's

guru, but we need to speak the honest truth amongst ourselves. We can deal

with it as we may, but we must stop trying to deny it.

 

> There was no question of any propaganda. Some were even asking Srila prabhu

not to put us in this kind of situation, but he continued to cut with his

sadhus-knife and I think that he could also take a part of responsibility that

discussion has ended up in this way.

 

Remember, "It takes to tango." [dance] Anyone of you could have bowed out at

any time. (BTW, I still see your postings here.) One protest leads to another,

I guess. But where did the *problem* start? This is the crux of the matter.

And this was my point from the very beginning.

 

When we try to get to the botttom of the issue, we will see that it actually

starts at the "top."

 

Hare Krsna.

 

As a servant of all the Vaisnavas,

 

Srila dasa

[Guest guest]

>

> But please be informed, through myself and others, that we suggest serious

> transgressions of Vaisnava etiquette have been initiated and perpetuated

> by the GBC, and until they are corrected, there will be no end to ISKCON's

> internal disturbances.

>

Did you try to aproach the GBC directly with this complaint? None of us

here is a GBC, so we can't really help you very much.

Ys. Sraddha dd

[Guest guest]

>

> But please be informed, through myself and others, that we suggest serious

> transgressions of Vaisnava etiquette have been initiated and perpetuated

> by the GBC, and until they are corrected, there will be no end to ISKCON's

> internal disturbances.

>

Did you try to aproach the GBC directly with this complaint? None of us

here is a GBC, so we can't really help you very much.

Ys. Sraddha dd

[Guest guest]

> Did you try to aproach the GBC directly with this complaint? None of us

> here is a GBC, so we can't really help you very much.

 

I checked the status of this conference and found that H.H. Jayapataka Swami

is a

member of it.

[Guest guest]

> Did you try to aproach the GBC directly with this complaint? None of us

> here is a GBC, so we can't really help you very much.

 

I checked the status of this conference and found that H.H. Jayapataka Swami

is a

member of it.

[Guest guest]

At 16:40 -0800 10/7/99, COM: Mundita Mastaka (das) (NE-BBT Russian) wrote:

>

>I checked the status of this conference and found that H.H. Jayapataka Swami

>is a member of it.

 

He is, but he has suspended it, meaning that he currently doesn't get any

of the texts. Your best bet for addressing the GBC with any suggestions is

either to write them personally or to write to one of the GBC conferences .

They are all moderated, but if your letter is judged to be compelling, it

will be posted.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

At 16:40 -0800 10/7/99, COM: Mundita Mastaka (das) (NE-BBT Russian) wrote:

>

>I checked the status of this conference and found that H.H. Jayapataka Swami

>is a member of it.

 

He is, but he has suspended it, meaning that he currently doesn't get any

of the texts. Your best bet for addressing the GBC with any suggestions is

either to write them personally or to write to one of the GBC conferences .

They are all moderated, but if your letter is judged to be compelling, it

will be posted.

 

Ys,

Madhusudani dasi

[Guest guest]

On 07 Oct 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

 

>

> I have stated this before and I shall repeat it again: this entire fiasco

between Narayan Maharaja and ISKCON has been created by the GBC, just as the

GBC has done many times previously (the jiva issue, the rtvik issue, Zonal

acaryas, etc.). Instead of resolving issues peacefully, they have exacerbated

differences and misunderstandings to the breaking point.

>

>

 

 

 

>

> Rather than blame any person in particular, I have tried to steer the

> discussion in a way that we might recognize the anomalous situation -- that

sadhu-ninda has not only been committed, but is reccurring, sponsored and

reinforced by current GBC policies and preaching.

>

 

 

 

 

I feel inspired to learn that you do not wish to blame any specific devotee,

rather prefering to blame the entire GBC and all those who offer them some

sympathy and support. Very enlightened!

 

As they say, it takes two to tango, and that only a fool get's in an argument

with another fool. So, it is a good thing some consider the GBC to be devotees

of substance, or Srila's argument with them would force us to think of him in

an offensive manner. Krsna save us!

 

ys,

 

Sthita

[Guest guest]

On 07 Oct 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

 

>

> I have stated this before and I shall repeat it again: this entire fiasco

between Narayan Maharaja and ISKCON has been created by the GBC, just as the

GBC has done many times previously (the jiva issue, the rtvik issue, Zonal

acaryas, etc.). Instead of resolving issues peacefully, they have exacerbated

differences and misunderstandings to the breaking point.

>

>

 

 

 

>

> Rather than blame any person in particular, I have tried to steer the

> discussion in a way that we might recognize the anomalous situation -- that

sadhu-ninda has not only been committed, but is reccurring, sponsored and

reinforced by current GBC policies and preaching.

>

 

 

 

 

I feel inspired to learn that you do not wish to blame any specific devotee,

rather prefering to blame the entire GBC and all those who offer them some

sympathy and support. Very enlightened!

 

As they say, it takes two to tango, and that only a fool get's in an argument

with another fool. So, it is a good thing some consider the GBC to be devotees

of substance, or Srila's argument with them would force us to think of him in

an offensive manner. Krsna save us!

 

ys,

 

Sthita

[Guest guest]

On 7 Oct 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

 

 

>

> Remember, "It takes to tango." [dance] Anyone of you could have bowed out

at any time....

 

 

>

> As a servant of all the Vaisnavas,

>

> Srila dasa

 

 

Just see how us uttama potentiates all think alike -- I just offered that very

same parable!

 

ys,

 

Sthita 'IKCON uttama' dhi-muni

[Guest guest]

On 7 Oct 1999, Srila Dasa wrote:

 

 

>

> Remember, "It takes to tango." [dance] Anyone of you could have bowed out

at any time....

 

 

>

> As a servant of all the Vaisnavas,

>

> Srila dasa

 

 

Just see how us uttama potentiates all think alike -- I just offered that very

same parable!

 

ys,

 

Sthita 'IKCON uttama' dhi-muni