Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Namah Shivaya. After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and nets to the fishermen who were affected. Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating fish? Ever in AMMA's Service. C R Vijayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Ammachi, "crvijayan" <crvijayan> wrote: > > Namah Shivaya. > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and > nets to the fishermen who were affected. > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating > fish? > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > C R Vijayan It may or may not mean that, who knows? But I don't get that meaning from that act. What I see in that action is that Amma is out there to just help the fisherfolk get back to their old sense of life, she is not trying to change their dharma and make them vegetarians! if they convert, ok, else also ok. But my thought is that this incident does not automatically say Amma is cool about us eating fish etc! Amma having come from a fisherfolk community may per se not be averse to fish etc, but that attitude has nothing to do with this incident, IMHO, nor with us taking the message that she endorses fish...... this is IMHO only, the rest is upto you. The only message I take is this .... unconditional acceptance of all regardless of their status or differences of lifestyle, opinions, their belief in Amma etc and embracing them with love and empowering them to live better. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya! Guru's ways are inscrutable and the instructions Guru gives to one person is not the same to another person. Guru does not outright condemn some practice but gently turns that person away from that habit. As far the fishermen, they have no other way to survive if Amma outright tells fishing must be banned. Amma once told this point in connection with protecting the species and the ecosystem,"Fishermen have no other choice to survive other than fishing and in some areas vegetarianism is not possible and so people have to live on fishes. So the nature has to be protected." This does not mean Amma encourages non- veg food. There is a story which Amma once told how Guru works. Once a Guru permitted a shishya to smoke. Guru wouldn't condemn this disciple but Guru gradually would turn the disciple away from smoking. Mahadevan Venkitaraman Ammachi, "crvijayan" <crvijayan> wrote: > > Namah Shivaya. > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and nets > to the fishermen who were affected. > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating fish? > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > C R Vijayan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this for their livelihood. - crvijayan Ammachi Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale Namah Shivaya. After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and nets to the fishermen who were affected. Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating fish? Ever in AMMA's Service. C R Vijayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not imposed anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of training. On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad lax where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, Children" and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in one of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this for their livelihood. > - > crvijayan > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > Namah Shivaya. > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and nets > to the fishermen who were affected. > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating fish? > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what She wants to do regarding it. I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. Surya - g461 Ammachi Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not imposed anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of training. On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad lax where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, Children" and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in one of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this for their livelihood. > - > crvijayan > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > Namah Shivaya. > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and nets > to the fishermen who were affected. > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating fish? > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Surya wrote: As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this forum, IMHO. " This is my sentiment as well. I slightly disagree that it is inappropriate to discuss it in this forum. Amma's life is an open book. A Mahatma's every action can be open to scrutiny. Hush Hush is not the way around Mahatma's Nevertheless I agree that it is not common knowledge. In addition please realize that Amma has said that Mahatma;s can bypass ordinary natural law. Namah Shivaya, GeorgeSon Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what She wants to do regarding it. > > I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. > > As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > Surya > - > g461 > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not imposed > anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the > ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of training. > > On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad lax > where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, Children" > and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in one > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna > Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that > Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. > > Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force > vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this for > their livelihood. > > - > > crvijayan > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats and > nets > > to the fishermen who were affected. > > > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our eating > fish? > > > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 To be fair, that wasn't about vegetarianism as much as it was teaching some lessons about aversions and accepting Amma's prasad, whatever form it may take, with true gratitude. (As I recall, anyway....it's been awhile since I read that one!) Ammachi, "g461" <g461> wrote: > > And in one > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna > Swamy with a piece of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 YES! - ammasiswari Ammachi Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:44 PM Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale To be fair, that wasn't about vegetarianism as much as it was teaching some lessons about aversions and accepting Amma's prasad, whatever form it may take, with true gratitude. (As I recall, anyway....it's been awhile since I read that one!) Ammachi, "g461" <g461> wrote: > > And in one > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna > Swamy with a piece of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 exactly ! Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > YES! > - > ammasiswari > Ammachi > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:44 PM > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > To be fair, that wasn't about vegetarianism as much as it was teaching some lessons about > aversions and accepting Amma's prasad, whatever form it may take, with true gratitude. > > (As I recall, anyway....it's been awhile since I read that one!) > > Ammachi, "g461" <g461@> wrote: > > > > And in one > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna > > Swamy with a piece of fish. > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > - ----------- > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 we all have a personal ,yet universal relationship with AMMA.AMMAs love is bigger then our scrutiny or opinions about whatever.should we work on our reverence?ofcourse we should.AMMAs sun doesnt believe that AMMA has a private life ...,however he does hear what beloved george son is saying.. we should challenge ourselves to percieve whatever AMMA does as sarcred always...however, this is not always the case.....does it effect AMMA?ofcourse not..does it effect us.mmmmmmmmm......people that have tried to murder AMMAS body have become AMMAs devotees.AMMA and HER WAYS are beyond what our minds can percieve,yet an open heart can give you a glimpe of the presence of HER LOVE.... AMMA has said that GOD doesnt need anything from us.that includes respect,however ,GODS LOVE for us wants us to respect in order that we may benefit...... also ,we could never judge GOD...GOD isnt effected at all ,so what is there to be judged?we are all at different levels .there was a time when this child had a thousand questions to ask THE LORD.now they have all been exausted.... you can kick,slander,mock and crucify.AMMA will always love you..once you truly know this deep in your heart the scrutiny,the so-called disrespect and the judgement will cease... >"leokomor" <leokomor > >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 00:37:26 -0000 > >Surya wrote: >As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common >knowledge" to most >people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this >forum, IMHO. " > >This is my sentiment as well. I slightly disagree that it is >inappropriate to discuss it in this forum. Amma's life is an open >book. A Mahatma's every action can be open to scrutiny. Hush Hush >is not the way around Mahatma's > >Nevertheless I agree that it is not common knowledge. >In addition please realize that Amma has said that Mahatma;s can >bypass ordinary natural law. > >Namah Shivaya, > >GeorgeSon > >Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place >to judge or >interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > > > I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what >She wants to do regarding it. > > > > I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing >anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me >that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst >the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to >eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. > > > > As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common >knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of >discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little >privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She >may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > Surya > > - > > g461 > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not >imposed > > anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the > > ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of >training. > > > > On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad >lax > > where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, >Children" > > and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in >one > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed >Ramakrishna > > Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that > > Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. > > > > Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force > > vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this >for > > their livelihood. > > > - > > > crvijayan > > > Ammachi > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > > > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats >and > > nets > > > to the fishermen who were affected. > > > > > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our >eating > > fish? > > > > > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > > > > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- >--- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > c.. >Terms > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- >--- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > -- >---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms >of Service. > > > > > > -- >---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Why would you think that Amma does not have any private life or that She does not deserve some privacy? Just curious. All may answer this. Should we insist on being in the room when Amma bathes or dresses or goes to the bathroom or sleeps or eats or takes a little time for puja, meditation, etc? I don't believe so. Surya - temba spirits Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:19 PM RE: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale we all have a personal ,yet universal relationship with AMMA.AMMAs love is bigger then our scrutiny or opinions about whatever.should we work on our reverence?ofcourse we should.AMMAs sun doesnt believe that AMMA has a private life ...,however he does hear what beloved george son is saying.. we should challenge ourselves to percieve whatever AMMA does as sarcred always...however, this is not always the case.....does it effect AMMA?ofcourse not..does it effect us.mmmmmmmmm......people that have tried to murder AMMAS body have become AMMAs devotees.AMMA and HER WAYS are beyond what our minds can percieve,yet an open heart can give you a glimpe of the presence of HER LOVE.... AMMA has said that GOD doesnt need anything from us.that includes respect,however ,GODS LOVE for us wants us to respect in order that we may benefit...... also ,we could never judge GOD...GOD isnt effected at all ,so what is there to be judged?we are all at different levels .there was a time when this child had a thousand questions to ask THE LORD.now they have all been exausted.... you can kick,slander,mock and crucify.AMMA will always love you..once you truly know this deep in your heart the scrutiny,the so-called disrespect and the judgement will cease... >"leokomor" <leokomor > >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 00:37:26 -0000 > >Surya wrote: >As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common >knowledge" to most >people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this >forum, IMHO. " > >This is my sentiment as well. I slightly disagree that it is >inappropriate to discuss it in this forum. Amma's life is an open >book. A Mahatma's every action can be open to scrutiny. Hush Hush >is not the way around Mahatma's > >Nevertheless I agree that it is not common knowledge. >In addition please realize that Amma has said that Mahatma;s can >bypass ordinary natural law. > >Namah Shivaya, > >GeorgeSon > >Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place >to judge or >interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni> wrote: > > > > I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what >She wants to do regarding it. > > > > I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing >anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me >that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst >the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to >eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. > > > > As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common >knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of >discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little >privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She >may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > Surya > > - > > g461 > > Ammachi > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not >imposed > > anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the > > ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of >training. > > > > On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad >lax > > where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, >Children" > > and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in >one > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed >Ramakrishna > > Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that > > Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. > > > > Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force > > vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this >for > > their livelihood. > > > - > > > crvijayan > > > Ammachi > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > > > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats >and > > nets > > > to the fishermen who were affected. > > > > > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our >eating > > fish? > > > > > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > > > > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- >--- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > c.. >Terms > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- >--- > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > -- >---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms >of Service. > > > > > > -- >---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 beautiful beloved... >"ammasiswari" <ammasiswari > >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 00:44:21 -0000 > >To be fair, that wasn't about vegetarianism as much as it was teaching some >lessons about >aversions and accepting Amma's prasad, whatever form it may take, with true >gratitude. > >(As I recall, anyway....it's been awhile since I read that one!) > >Ammachi, "g461" <g461> wrote: > > > > And in one > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed Ramakrishna > > Swamy with a piece of fish. > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 this is only this little lost childs faith.this child does not believe that his AMMA would keep anything from him or any of HER children....how can AMMA be private when SHE IS EVERYWHERE...this is only faith speaking through this heart.this is the experience of this heart.wherever AMMA is WE ARE. the seperation is only in the mind and it is unreal...this is this childs faith...AMMA is in me ,through me and around me.where is the privacy then?...again this is only this childs faith...that is an individual experience of the heart...no one has to accept this.. AMMA has said to even visualize HER form while being in the bathroom....where is the privacy?...AMMA has said to see HER in everyone and everything..where is the privacy? how can we say that AMMA is within us and then confirm HER having a private life?reading HER bio with an OPEN HEART gives you the sense that everything SHE has is yours..what child in their innocence contemplates their MOTHER as having a private life? where is the privacy where DIVINE LOVE is concerned?MOTHER says that SHE IS LIKE SUNSHINE.where is the privacy in the sun rays.the sun just shines.from time to time a cloud may block the light of the sun ,however that cloud is but the mind.to say that AMMA has or needs a private life is to place HER on my level... again this is not this childs opinion.this is this childs faith..your perspective is just as important...thankyou my dear brother.. >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 13:30:18 -0700 > >Why would you think that Amma does not have any private life or that She >does not deserve some privacy? Just curious. All may answer this. > >Should we insist on being in the room when Amma bathes or dresses or goes >to the bathroom or sleeps or eats or takes a little time for puja, >meditation, etc? I don't believe so. > >Surya > - > temba spirits > Ammachi > Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:19 PM > RE: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > we all have a personal ,yet universal relationship with AMMA.AMMAs love >is > bigger then our scrutiny or opinions about whatever.should we work on >our > reverence?ofcourse we should.AMMAs sun doesnt believe that AMMA has a > private life ...,however he does hear what beloved george son is >saying.. > > we should challenge ourselves to percieve whatever AMMA does as sarcred > always...however, this is not always the case.....does it effect > AMMA?ofcourse not..does it effect us.mmmmmmmmm......people that have >tried > to murder AMMAS body have become AMMAs devotees.AMMA and HER WAYS are >beyond > what our minds can percieve,yet an open heart can give you a glimpe of >the > presence of HER LOVE.... > > AMMA has said that GOD doesnt need anything from us.that includes > respect,however ,GODS LOVE for us wants us to respect in order that we >may > benefit...... > > > also ,we could never judge GOD...GOD isnt effected at all ,so what is >there > to be judged?we are all at different levels .there was a time when this > child had a thousand questions to ask THE LORD.now they have all been > exausted.... you can kick,slander,mock and crucify.AMMA will always >love > you..once you truly know this deep in your heart the scrutiny,the >so-called > disrespect and the judgement will cease... > > > >"leokomor" <leokomor > > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > >Thu, 18 May 2006 00:37:26 -0000 > > > >Surya wrote: > >As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common > >knowledge" to most > >people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this > >forum, IMHO. " > > > >This is my sentiment as well. I slightly disagree that it is > >inappropriate to discuss it in this forum. Amma's life is an open > >book. A Mahatma's every action can be open to scrutiny. Hush Hush > >is not the way around Mahatma's > > > >Nevertheless I agree that it is not common knowledge. > >In addition please realize that Amma has said that Mahatma;s can > >bypass ordinary natural law. > > > >Namah Shivaya, > > > >GeorgeSon > > > >Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place > >to judge or > >interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > > > > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > > > > > I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what > >She wants to do regarding it. > > > > > > I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing > >anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me > >that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst > >the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to > >eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. > > > > > > As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common > >knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of > >discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little > >privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She > >may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > > > Surya > > > - > > > g461 > > > Ammachi > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM > > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not > >imposed > > > anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the > > > ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of > >training. > > > > > > On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad > >lax > > > where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, > >Children" > > > and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in > >one > > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed > >Ramakrishna > > > Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that > > > Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. > > > > > > Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > > > > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force > > > vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this > >for > > > their livelihood. > > > > - > > > > crvijayan > > > > Ammachi > > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > > > > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats > >and > > > nets > > > > to the fishermen who were affected. > > > > > > > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our > >eating > > > fish? > > > > > > > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > > > > > > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > >--- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > > > b.. > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > c.. > >Terms > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > >--- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > c.. Terms > >of Service. > > > > > > > > > -- > >---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 also dear brother.when you make comments about being present when AMMA is dressing ,you are associating HER with ONLY her body..again it is a question of faith ,because in all honesty, if AMMA is dressing right now,this child believes that he and ALL of HER childen are right there in HER HEART... AMMAs sun is open minded ,however he will not move from this belief . AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart that these words find a warm place in someones elses... >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 13:30:18 -0700 > >Why would you think that Amma does not have any private life or that She >does not deserve some privacy? Just curious. All may answer this. > >Should we insist on being in the room when Amma bathes or dresses or goes >to the bathroom or sleeps or eats or takes a little time for puja, >meditation, etc? I don't believe so. > >Surya > - > temba spirits > Ammachi > Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:19 PM > RE: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > we all have a personal ,yet universal relationship with AMMA.AMMAs love >is > bigger then our scrutiny or opinions about whatever.should we work on >our > reverence?ofcourse we should.AMMAs sun doesnt believe that AMMA has a > private life ...,however he does hear what beloved george son is >saying.. > > we should challenge ourselves to percieve whatever AMMA does as sarcred > always...however, this is not always the case.....does it effect > AMMA?ofcourse not..does it effect us.mmmmmmmmm......people that have >tried > to murder AMMAS body have become AMMAs devotees.AMMA and HER WAYS are >beyond > what our minds can percieve,yet an open heart can give you a glimpe of >the > presence of HER LOVE.... > > AMMA has said that GOD doesnt need anything from us.that includes > respect,however ,GODS LOVE for us wants us to respect in order that we >may > benefit...... > > > also ,we could never judge GOD...GOD isnt effected at all ,so what is >there > to be judged?we are all at different levels .there was a time when this > child had a thousand questions to ask THE LORD.now they have all been > exausted.... you can kick,slander,mock and crucify.AMMA will always >love > you..once you truly know this deep in your heart the scrutiny,the >so-called > disrespect and the judgement will cease... > > > >"leokomor" <leokomor > > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > >Thu, 18 May 2006 00:37:26 -0000 > > > >Surya wrote: > >As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common > >knowledge" to most > >people and really shouldn't be the subject of discussion in this > >forum, IMHO. " > > > >This is my sentiment as well. I slightly disagree that it is > >inappropriate to discuss it in this forum. Amma's life is an open > >book. A Mahatma's every action can be open to scrutiny. Hush Hush > >is not the way around Mahatma's > > > >Nevertheless I agree that it is not common knowledge. > >In addition please realize that Amma has said that Mahatma;s can > >bypass ordinary natural law. > > > >Namah Shivaya, > > > >GeorgeSon > > > >Amma deserves whatever little privacy She has and we are in no place > >to judge or > >interpret what She may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > > > > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > > > > > I think that Amma is well aware of vegetarianism and is doing what > >She wants to do regarding it. > > > > > > I asked Her a couple of years back if She felt I was missing > >anything in my diet by not having fish or eggs in there. She told me > >that the Brahmin caste often eats the same and that they were amongst > >the most intelligent people in India. She also said, if I wanted to > >eat fish or eggs sometimes I could do as I saw fit. > > > > > > As far as Amma's personal diet, I don't think it is "common > >knowledge" to most people and really shouldn't be the subject of > >discussion in this forum, IMHO. Amma deserves whatever little > >privacy She has and we are in no place to judge or interpret what She > >may do regarding things like diet, etc. > > > > > > Surya > > > - > > > g461 > > > Ammachi > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:14 AM > > > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > I quite agree with Mahamuni Das' observation. Amma has not > >imposed > > > anything on anyone; although she does so when it comes to the > > > ashramites who have gone to Her for the specific purpose of > >training. > > > > > > On the other hand, one cannot fail noticing that Amma is a tad > >lax > > > where vegetarianism is concerned. In none of Her "Awaken, > >Children" > > > and "Eternal Wisdom" has She insisted on vegetarianism. And in > >one > > > of them She has, even, been reported to have forcefeed > >Ramakrishna > > > Swamy with a piece of fish. And it is also common knowledge that > > > Amma Herself eats fish when She goes to Mauritius. > > > > > > Amma has to re-look at vegetarianism very seriously! > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > > > > > She grew up in a fishing village. She is not going to force > > > vegetarianism on a people who are accustomed to relying on this > >for > > > their livelihood. > > > > - > > > > crvijayan > > > > Ammachi > > > > Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:55 AM > > > > Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya. > > > > > > > > After tsunami, AMMA's Ashram has been donating fishing boats > >and > > > nets > > > > to the fishermen who were affected. > > > > > > > > Does this indirectly mean that AMMA is not averse to our > >eating > > > fish? > > > > > > > > Ever in AMMA's Service. > > > > > > > > C R Vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > >--- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > > > b.. > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > c.. > >Terms > > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > >--- > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >---------- > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > c.. Terms > >of Service. > > > > > > > > > -- > >---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I am obviously not talking about the Amma who is the Paramatman/Divine Mother of the Universe. I am talking about Her physical body this incarnation. I respect your belief brother and I understand what you are trying to say, but still the other is quite valid. Amma may say to visualize Her form and do your mantra while you are in the bathroom, but I have never heard Her say visualize Her in the form of Her going to the bathroom. There is a reason why Amma's flight schedule, room number, etc are not public information. I would think all of this would be obvious, but I guess not. - "temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> <Ammachi> Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:58 PM Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > also dear brother.when you make comments about being present when AMMA is > dressing ,you are associating HER with ONLY her body..again it is a > question > of faith ,because in all honesty, if AMMA is dressing right now,this child > believes that he and ALL of HER childen are right there in HER HEART... > AMMAs sun is open minded ,however he will not move from this belief . > > AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart that these words find a warm place > in > someones elses... > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 dear beloved brother.please help this child to see how focusing on AMMAs privacy in a bathroom will help this child, or you for that matter grow spiritually ,which is AMMAs greatest concern according to HER .. AMMAs sun values what you are sharing,however, please help this child see the ESSENCE of what you are saying.... do you really believe in your heart that AMMA wants us to focus on not knowing HER flight skedule,or not being in the bathroom with HER? how significant is this really?do you not believe that SHE would much rather have us place our attention on HER OMNIPRESENCE...and the truth that SHE IS with us always..? we are brothers and this child does not mind conversing about this.you are dear to me ,knowing you are HER precious child...wherever AMMA is HER childen are ....thankyou my beloved brother das...you have helped this childs awareness expand... AMMAs sun prays that he has served his brother effectively... >"Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Thu, 18 May 2006 16:35:43 -0700 > >I am obviously not talking about the Amma who is the Paramatman/Divine >Mother of the Universe. I am talking about Her physical body this >incarnation. > >I respect your belief brother and I understand what you are trying to say, >but still the other is quite valid. > >Amma may say to visualize Her form and do your mantra while you are in the >bathroom, but I have never heard Her say visualize Her in the form of Her >going to the bathroom. > >There is a reason why Amma's flight schedule, room number, etc are not >public information. I would think all of this would be obvious, but I >guess >not. >- >"temba spirits" <tembaspirits (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> ><Ammachi> >Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:58 PM >Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale > > > > also dear brother.when you make comments about being present when AMMA >is > > dressing ,you are associating HER with ONLY her body..again it is a > > question > > of faith ,because in all honesty, if AMMA is dressing right now,this >child > > believes that he and ALL of HER childen are right there in HER HEART... > > AMMAs sun is open minded ,however he will not move from this belief . > > > > AMMAs sun prays with all of his heart that these words find a warm place > > in > > someones elses... > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Temba, I was at Amritapuri last summer, when a man tried to stab Amma. Amma's response was basically, "Let him come and kill me, if he wants" and "I will not leave this body until I decide." At that time, security measures were set in place at the ashram. At one point, someone asked, "Why do we need security at the ashram, in light of Amma's message to us?" Swamiji replied that, while Amma will give her children darshan regardless of any threats, it is our dharma to do what we can to protect and serve this body of hers. I don't think anyone is suggesting that we focus on Amma's privacy in the bathroom over and above our spiritual growth....but those two things need not be mutually exclusive. Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits> wrote: > > dear beloved brother.please help this child to see how focusing on AMMAs > privacy in a bathroom will help this child, or you for that matter grow > spiritually ,which is AMMAs greatest concern according to HER .. AMMAs sun > values what you are sharing,however, please help this child see the ESSENCE > of what you are saying.... do you really believe in your heart that AMMA > wants us to focus on not knowing HER flight skedule,or not being in the > bathroom with HER? how significant is this really?do you not believe that > SHE would much rather have us place our attention on HER OMNIPRESENCE...and > the truth that SHE IS with us always..? > > we are brothers and this child does not mind conversing about this.you are > dear to me ,knowing you are HER precious child...wherever AMMA is HER > childen are ....thankyou my beloved brother das...you have helped this > childs awareness expand... > > AMMAs sun prays that he has served his brother effectively... Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 It appears that you two are making the same point in different ways... love, Prajna "Children, all of spirituality is contained in that one word: Awareness." - Amma Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Messenger with Voice. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 I think you are missing the point and somehow we are not communicating, so I would prefer to drop it. Pranams, Surya - temba spirits Ammachi Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:58 PM Re: Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale dear beloved brother.please help this child to see how focusing on AMMAs privacy in a bathroom will help this child, or you for that matter grow spiritually ,which is AMMAs greatest concern according to HER .. AMMAs sun values what you are sharing,however, please help this child see the ESSENCE of what you are saying.... do you really believe in your heart that AMMA wants us to focus on not knowing HER flight skedule,or not being in the bathroom with HER? how significant is this really?do you not believe that SHE would much rather have us place our attention on HER OMNIPRESENCE...and the truth that SHE IS with us always..? we are brothers and this child does not mind conversing about this.you are dear to me ,knowing you are HER precious child...wherever AMMA is HER childen are ....thankyou my beloved brother das...you have helped this childs awareness expand... AMMAs sun prays that he has served his brother effectively... Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 thankyou for helping to expand your brothers awareness..namah shivaya dear one... >"ammasiswari" <ammasiswari > >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Vegetarianism - a twist in the tale >Fri, 19 May 2006 00:18:13 -0000 > >Dear Temba, > >I was at Amritapuri last summer, when a man tried to stab Amma. Amma's >response was >basically, "Let him come and kill me, if he wants" and "I will not leave >this body until I >decide." At that time, security measures were set in place at the ashram. >At one point, >someone asked, "Why do we need security at the ashram, in light of Amma's >message to >us?" Swamiji replied that, while Amma will give her children darshan >regardless of any >threats, it is our dharma to do what we can to protect and serve this body >of hers. > >I don't think anyone is suggesting that we focus on Amma's privacy in the >bathroom over >and above our spiritual growth....but those two things need not be mutually >exclusive. > >Blessings, >Iswari > >Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits wrote: > > > > dear beloved brother.please help this child to see how focusing on AMMAs > > privacy in a bathroom will help this child, or you for that matter grow > > spiritually ,which is AMMAs greatest concern according to HER .. AMMAs >sun > > values what you are sharing,however, please help this child see the >ESSENCE > > of what you are saying.... do you really believe in your heart that AMMA > > wants us to focus on not knowing HER flight skedule,or not being in the > > bathroom with HER? how significant is this really?do you not believe >that > > SHE would much rather have us place our attention on HER >OMNIPRESENCE...and > > the truth that SHE IS with us always..? > > > > we are brothers and this child does not mind conversing about this.you >are > > dear to me ,knowing you are HER precious child...wherever AMMA is HER > > childen are ....thankyou my beloved brother das...you have helped this > > childs awareness expand... > > > > AMMAs sun prays that he has served his brother effectively... > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click./.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! <*> Ammachi/ <*> Ammachi <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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