Shri KN Rao&#039;s prediction... CRYPTIC CLUES !!!

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction on

Pramod

> Mahajan/Doubts

>

> Hi Shashi Shekhar,

>

> Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

with

> humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer who

> made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without checking

> it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> wrong).

>

> I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

> <polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > .HARE RAM.

> > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > Saadar Charan

> Sparsha!

> >

> > He is my second

Guru

> in astrology but like Aacharya

> > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

before

> while i am resident

> > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> knowledge so a have some

> > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

keep

> before him.I hope kind

> > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us the

> reason according to

> > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> predict that this native had a

> > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

house.

> > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the 8th

> lord sitted in own house,

> > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be soft,

7th

> lord is in own sign.

> > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger brother?

> Karak of 3rd house

> > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of same

> house is sitted with Lagan

> > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of Karak

> nor the lord of 3rd house

> > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

Sh.

> Rao jee through you if

> > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive me.

> >

> > With Due Regards

> > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> Mobile-09818310075

> >

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May 11, 2006

dear tatvam ji

since i have not seen respected KNRao's prediction on this self-

death predicting astrologer, i do not comment on him.

but one thing is certain that this astrologer who predicted his own

death with exact date and time was giving self publicity, so much so

that some local newspapers mentioned his village got several curious

tourists and he had several customers waiting in line for getting

their charts read (all for knowing their death date?). several TV

channels and newspapers unnecessarily made this self-death

predicting astrologer a hero and gave him free publicity.

in my humble opinion, death prediction shall not be made by any

astrologer either for others or for self. if the astrologer finds a

chance of fatality, he can only give an indication and cannot

predict with certainty that the native will die. this is against

the ethics of astrolgy. still if an astrologer predicts death and

then claims "I SAID SO" it is only bad karma.

once the yoga guru ramdevji criticised the astrologers and fake

tantriks alike for predicting every native the following things:

1. you are suffering from the malefic affects of rahu, ketu and

saturn.

2. your planets are good but your present dasa is bad.

3. people are jealous of you and due to this your growth is hindered

or someone has done blackmagic on you.

4. you have various doshams in your chart for which i will do these

poojas for you.

also these days, it has become a fashion for every panchanga karta

and every astrologer to predict general things for the country like:

1. the country would lose a great leader (there are hundreds of ex

prime/chief ministers and ministers who die every year)

2. cold waves would have heavy toll in the northern states

3. heat waves prevails across the country

4. air accidents would claim lives.

5. ship wrecks or boats capsize leading to hundreds drowned.

6. earthquakes rock the country

7. new godmen come to save the country (every godman claims himself

as kalki avataar)

8. country prospers in the field of technology.

any blind man can guess that these predictions happen every year

without saying.

my humble submission to all such astrologers is that stop giving

general predictions and give specific predictions to individuals who

are approaching the group. such predictions are useless if they are

not going to help the native.

as pandit dakshinamoorthiji said once, an astrologer shall predict a

chart only if he is asked to. that is the maturity which shall be

displayed by all matured astrologers.

till date not a single godman (having crores of devotees and

thousands of crores property) could predict earthquake or tsunami.

they all come to donate blankets or food packets only after the

incident. not a single astrologer could predict earthquake or

tsunami with place, date and time. such generalised predictions

only make astrolgy a laughing stock. for example, if a person

predicts earthquake could occurr in a state between 1st to 15th of a

month, it is of no use even if it occurrs.

all the great sages who used to predict with their divya drishti

(not astrology) also used to suggest upays for averting any

negatives. the underlying objective of a prediction is only to help

the native lead a happy life and not to claim "I SAID SO".

with best wishes

pandit arjun

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

>

> what do you mean by cryptic clues?

>

> I am still wondering about Sri K.N Rao siding with a village

astrologer who had predicted his own death last year (I think) and

Mr. K.N Rao had also agreed with that astrologer after seeing his

chart that he will die.

> The whole of India was taken for a ride and a TV Channel wasted

a whole day cov

ering this non event.

> THE ASTROLOGER DID NOT DIE AND WHEN I RAISED THIS TOPIC IN VEDIC

ASTROLOGY GROUP, NO ONE DARED TO AGREE WITH ME.

>

> Does Mr. Rao has answer for this?

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> It is a fact that on 30th April 2006 during Bharatiya vidya

Bhawan seminar

> Sri K.N. Rao has assertively made this prediction about Mr. Pramod

> Mahanjan's final demise. He has given enough cryptic clues to

his analysis

> on his official website. Kindly do not expect him to join a

discussion in

> trying to explain his logics in detail for public consumption.

The

> students need to raise to a level through their own research &

knowledge

> application. Sri K.N. Rao has brought the astrology to current

status

> through his teachings since 1987-88 onwards, thanks to his sharing

of

> knowledge that thousands of people got enlightened in this vedic

sciences,

> further some of them even practise it for their daily sustenance.

>

> with regards,

> sreeram srinivas

> sreeram64

>

> _____

>

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction on

Pramod

> Mahajan/Doubts

>

> Hi Shashi Shekhar,

>

> Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

with

> humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer

who

> made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without

checking

> it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> wrong).

>

> I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

> <polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > .HARE RAM.

> > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > Saadar Charan

> Sparsha!

> >

> > He is my second

Guru

> in astrology but like Aacharya

> > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

before

> while i am resident

> > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> knowledge so a have some

> > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

keep

> before him.I hope kind

> > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us the

> reason according to

> > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> predict that this native had a

> > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

house.

> > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the

8th

> lord sitted in own house,

> > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be soft,

7th

> lord is in own sign.

> > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger

brother?

> Karak of 3rd house

> > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of same

> house is sitted with Lagan

> > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of Karak

> nor the lord of 3rd house

> > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

Sh.

> Rao jee through you if

> > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive

me.

> >

> > With Due Regards

> > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> Mobile-09818310075

> >

>

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May 11, 2006

Fine sir,

regards,

jagannathan.

On 5/11/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear tatvam ji

>

> since i have not seen respected KNRao's prediction on this self-

> death predicting astrologer, i do not comment on him.

>

> but one thing is certain that this astrologer who predicted his own

> death with exact date and time was giving self publicity, so much so

> that some local newspapers mentioned his village got several curious

> tourists and he had several customers waiting in line for getting

> their charts read (all for knowing their death date?). several TV

> channels and newspapers unnecessarily made this self-death

> predicting astrologer a hero and gave him free publicity.

>

> in my humble opinion, death prediction shall not be made by any

> astrologer either for others or for self. if the astrologer finds a

> chance of fatality, he can only give an indication and cannot

> predict with certainty that the native will die. this is against

> the ethics of astrolgy. still if an astrologer predicts death and

> then claims "I SAID SO" it is only bad karma.

>

> once the yoga guru ramdevji criticised the astrologers and fake

> tantriks alike for predicting every native the following things:

>

> 1. you are suffering from the malefic affects of rahu, ketu and

> saturn.

> 2. your planets are good but your present dasa is bad.

> 3. people are jealous of you and due to this your growth is hindered

> or someone has done blackmagic on you.

> 4. you have various doshams in your chart for which i will do these

> poojas for you.

>

> also these days, it has become a fashion for every panchanga karta

> and every astrologer to predict general things for the country like:

>

> 1. the country would lose a great leader (there are hundreds of ex

> prime/chief ministers and ministers who die every year)

> 2. cold waves would have heavy toll in the northern states

> 3. heat waves prevails across the country

> 4. air accidents would claim lives.

> 5. ship wrecks or boats capsize leading to hundreds drowned.

> 6. earthquakes rock the country

> 7. new godmen come to save the country (every godman claims himself

> as kalki avataar)

> 8. country prospers in the field of technology.

>

> any blind man can guess that these predictions happen every year

> without saying.

>

> my humble submission to all such astrologers is that stop giving

> general predictions and give specific predictions to individuals who

> are approaching the group. such predictions are useless if they are

> not going to help the native.

>

> as pandit dakshinamoorthiji said once, an astrologer shall predict a

> chart only if he is asked to. that is the maturity which shall be

> displayed by all matured astrologers.

>

> till date not a single godman (having crores of devotees and

> thousands of crores property) could predict earthquake or tsunami.

> they all come to donate blankets or food packets only after the

> incident. not a single astrologer could predict earthquake or

> tsunami with place, date and time. such generalised predictions

> only make astrolgy a laughing stock. for example, if a person

> predicts earthquake could occurr in a state between 1st to 15th of a

> month, it is of no use even if it occurrs.

>

> all the great sages who used to predict with their divya drishti

> (not astrology) also used to suggest upays for averting any

> negatives. the underlying objective of a prediction is only to help

> the native lead a happy life and not to claim "I SAID SO".

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> >

> > what do you mean by cryptic clues?

> >

> > I am still wondering about Sri K.N Rao siding with a village

> astrologer who had predicted his own death last year (I think) and

> Mr. K.N Rao had also agreed with that astrologer after seeing his

> chart that he will die.

> > The whole of India was taken for a ride and a TV Channel wasted

> a whole day cov

> ering this non event.

> > THE ASTROLOGER DID NOT DIE AND WHEN I RAISED THIS TOPIC IN VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY GROUP, NO ONE DARED TO AGREE WITH ME.

> >

> > Does Mr. Rao has answer for this?

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> > It is a fact that on 30th April 2006 during Bharatiya vidya

> Bhawan seminar

> > Sri K.N. Rao has assertively made this prediction about Mr. Pramod

> > Mahanjan's final demise. He has given enough cryptic clues to

> his analysis

> > on his official website. Kindly do not expect him to join a

> discussion in

> > trying to explain his logics in detail for public consumption.

> The

> > students need to raise to a level through their own research &

> knowledge

> > application. Sri K.N. Rao has brought the astrology to current

> status

> > through his teachings since 1987-88 onwards, thanks to his sharing

> of

> > knowledge that thousands of people got enlightened in this vedic

> sciences,

> > further some of them even practise it for their daily sustenance.

> >

> > with regards,

> > sreeram srinivas

> > sreeram64

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction on

> Pramod

> > Mahajan/Doubts

> >

> > Hi Shashi Shekhar,

> >

> > Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> > appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

> with

> > humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer

> who

> > made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> > astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without

> checking

> > it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> > wrong).

> >

> > I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > .HARE RAM.

> > > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > > Saadar Charan

> > Sparsha!

> > >

> > > He is my second

> Guru

> > in astrology but like Aacharya

> > > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

> before

> > while i am resident

> > > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> > knowledge so a have some

> > > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

> keep

> > before him.I hope kind

> > > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us the

> > reason according to

> > > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> > predict that this native had a

> > > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

> house.

> > > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the

> 8th

> > lord sitted in own house,

> > > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be soft,

> 7th

> > lord is in own sign.

> > > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger

> brother?

> > Karak of 3rd house

> > > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of same

> > house is sitted with Lagan

> > > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of Karak

> > nor the lord of 3rd house

> > > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

> Sh.

> > Rao jee through you if

> > > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive

> me.

> > >

> > > With Due Regards

> > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> > Mobile-09818310075

> > >

> >

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May 11, 2006

Dear Arjun Ji,

Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

A bit curious.

K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing the astrologer's

chart.

And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and may die at

predicted time.

Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no answer to this

question.

Tatvam-Asi

By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity seeker IMHO.

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear tatvam ji

since i have not seen respected KNRao's prediction on this self-

death predicting astrologer, i do not comment on him.

but one thing is certain that this astrologer who predicted his own

death with exact date and time was giving self publicity, so much so

that some local newspapers mentioned his village got several curious

tourists and he had several customers waiting in line for getting

their charts read (all for knowing their death date?). several TV

channels and newspapers unnecessarily made this self-death

predicting astrologer a hero and gave him free publicity.

in my humble opinion, death prediction shall not be made by any

astrologer either for others or for self. if the astrologer finds a

chance of fatality, he can only give an indication and cannot

predict with certainty that the native will die. this is against

the ethics of astrolgy. still if an astrologer predicts death and

then claims "I SAID SO" it is only bad karma.

once the yoga guru ramdevji criticised the astrologers and fake

tantriks alike for predicting every native the following things:

1. you are suffering from the malefic affects of rahu, ketu and

saturn.

2. your planets are good but your present dasa is bad.

3. people are jealous of you and due to this your growth is hindered

or someone has done blackmagic on you.

4. you have various doshams in your chart for which i will do these

poojas for you.

also these days, it has become a fashion for every panchanga karta

and every astrologer to predict general things for the country like:

1. the country would lose a great leader (there are hundreds of ex

prime/chief ministers and ministers who die every year)

2. cold waves would have heavy toll in the northern states

3. heat waves prevails across the country

4. air accidents would claim lives.

5. ship wrecks or boats capsize leading to hundreds drowned.

6. earthquakes rock the country

7. new godmen come to save the country (every godman claims himself

as kalki avataar)

8. country prospers in the field of technology.

any blind man can guess that these predictions happen every year

without saying.

my humble submission to all such astrologers is that stop giving

general predictions and give specific predictions to individuals who

are approaching the group. such predictions are useless if they are

not going to help the native.

as pandit dakshinamoorthiji said once, an astrologer shall predict a

chart only if he is asked to. that is the maturity which shall be

displayed by all matured astrologers.

till date not a single godman (having crores of devotees and

thousands of crores property) could predict earthquake or tsunami.

they all come to donate blankets or food packets only after the

incident. not a single astrologer could predict earthquake or

tsunami with place, date and time. such generalised predictions

only make astrolgy a laughing stock. for example, if a person

predicts earthquake could occurr in a state between 1st to 15th of a

month, it is of no use even if it occurrs.

all the great sages who used to predict with their divya drishti

(not astrology) also used to suggest upays for averting any

negatives. the underlying objective of a prediction is only to help

the native lead a happy life and not to claim "I SAID SO".

with best wishes

pandit arjun

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

>

> what do you mean by cryptic clues?

>

> I am still wondering about Sri K.N Rao siding with a village

astrologer who had predicted his own death last year (I think) and

Mr. K.N Rao had also agreed with that astrologer after seeing his

chart that he will die.

> The whole of India was taken for a ride and a TV Channel wasted

a whole day cov

ering this non event.

> THE ASTROLOGER DID NOT DIE AND WHEN I RAISED THIS TOPIC IN VEDIC

ASTROLOGY GROUP, NO ONE DARED TO AGREE WITH ME.

>

> Does Mr. Rao has answer for this?

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> It is a fact that on 30th April 2006 during Bharatiya vidya

Bhawan seminar

> Sri K.N. Rao has assertively made this prediction about Mr. Pramod

> Mahanjan's final demise. He has given enough cryptic clues to

his analysis

> on his official website. Kindly do not expect him to join a

discussion in

> trying to explain his logics in detail for public consumption.

The

> students need to raise to a level through their own research &

knowledge

> application. Sri K.N. Rao has brought the astrology to current

status

> through his teachings since 1987-88 onwards, thanks to his sharing

of

> knowledge that thousands of people got enlightened in this vedic

sciences,

> further some of them even practise it for their daily sustenance.

>

> with regards,

> sreeram srinivas

> sreeram64

>

> _____

>

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction on

Pramod

> Mahajan/Doubts

>

> Hi Shashi Shekhar,

>

> Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

with

> humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer

who

> made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without

checking

> it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> wrong).

>

> I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

> <polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> > .HARE RAM.

> > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > Saadar Charan

> Sparsha!

> >

> > He is my second

Guru

> in astrology but like Aacharya

> > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

before

> while i am resident

> > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> knowledge so a have some

> > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

keep

> before him.I hope kind

> > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us the

> reason according to

> > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> predict that this native had a

> > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

house.

> > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the

8th

> lord sitted in own house,

> > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be soft,

7th

> lord is in own sign.

> > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger

brother?

> Karak of 3rd house

> > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of same

> house is sitted with Lagan

> > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of Karak

> nor the lord of 3rd house

> > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

Sh.

> Rao jee through you if

> > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive

me.

> >

> > With Due Regards

> > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

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dear tatvam ji

no, i was not referring to you. you have been doing free service to

thousands of suffering querents for the past several years in

various groups and are also researching your rahu centric theory as

well as sharing your knowledge in various groups.

i made a general observation that panchangakartas and every

astrologer mostly who come on TV are only to claim I SAID SO and

blow their own trumpet. Media can make or break a profession by

planting their own views on a particular subject. all channels these

days are bringing astrologers during eclipses, transit of planets

and yearly predictions on 1st january as well as local new year

dates. some channels are discussing even sun's moving from one sign

to another every month. one sports channel used to bring an

astrologer as well as a tarot card reader for predicting cricket

match results.

several astrologers have even started giving TIPS on stock markets

and have their own websites where they give two resistance levels

and two support levels along with two target prices but also a

strict stop loss. they boast in bold letters what all shares have

moved in line with their prediction but censor many predictions

which go wrong. one astrologer in this groups has the habit of

publishing in this group selective mails received in his personal

mail (not related to this group at all) praising his predictions.

it is against sabha maryada and basic etiquettes but in the garb of

freedom he resorts to such cheap tactics. alas, astrology is used

even to help gamblers or speculators and help them by correlating

planets, commodities and stock markets. if this is true, big

financial institutions and brokersages as well as hedge funds (who

need advices for investing TRILLIONS of dollars every year) stop

hiring financial analysts and hire astrologers instead.

all the above might have helped commercialisation of astrology as

well as showcasing astrology as an accepted predictive tool.

however, in my humble opinion astrology (based on horoscope) is akin

to pathology where the astrologer can only identify the cause of the

sufferings. only if the astrologer has the healing power of reiki

or divine energy, he would be able to suggest remedies. otherwise

it is like recommending gems, rudraksha, yantras, special pooja akin

to a doctor prescribing several medicines.

it is written in sanskrit samhitas of the great sages that NO ONE

CAN PREDICT DEATH. if any astrologer (no nametaking) predicted

death of a person or confirmed or ratified the death of a person, it

is against ethics and earning bad karma.

you are true in observing that yoga guru ramdevji was seeking

publicity. his publicity stunt is with a view to help as many

people as he can. in all programs invariably he REQUESTS the people

to thank the great sages who gave these yoga techniques free of cost

and by doing these simple (zero expense) yoga exercises, many

diseases can be cured. there are millions of patients suffering

from diabetes, sinus, blood pressure etc. and got completely cured

only by following these yoga exercises and it is them who

volunteered to donate hundreds of crores to ramdevji to help more

and more people. if you are viewing the same program freely in your

drawing room on a tv (without paying for attending the sibir) and

are getting benefited, is it not due to this free publicity.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego

wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun Ji,

> Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

> A bit curious.

>

> K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing

the astrologer's chart.

> And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and

may die at predicted time.

>

> Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no

answer to this question.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity

seeker IMHO.

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear tatvam ji

>

> since i have not seen respected KNRao's prediction on this self-

> death predicting astrologer, i do not comment on him.

>

> but one thing is certain that this astrologer who predicted his

own

> death with exact date and time was giving self publicity, so much

so

> that some local newspapers mentioned his village got several

curious

> tourists and he had several customers waiting in line for getting

> their charts read (all for knowing their death date?). several TV

> channels and newspapers unnecessarily made this self-death

> predicting astrologer a hero and gave him free publicity.

>

> in my humble opinion, death prediction shall not be made by any

> astrologer either for others or for self. if the astrologer finds

a

> chance of fatality, he can only give an indication and cannot

> predict with certainty that the native will die. this is against

> the ethics of astrolgy. still if an astrologer predicts death and

> then claims "I SAID SO" it is only bad karma.

>

> once the yoga guru ramdevji criticised the astrologers and fake

> tantriks alike for predicting every native the following things:

>

> 1. you are suffering from the malefic affects of rahu, ketu and

> saturn.

> 2. your planets are good but your present dasa is bad.

> 3. people are jealous of you and due to this your growth is

hindered

> or someone has done blackmagic on you.

> 4. you have various doshams in your chart for which i will do

these

> poojas for you.

>

> also these days, it has become a fashion for every panchanga karta

> and every astrologer to predict general things for the country

like:

>

> 1. the country would lose a great leader (there are hundreds of ex

> prime/chief ministers and ministers who die every year)

> 2. cold waves would have heavy toll in the northern states

> 3. heat waves prevails across the country

> 4. air accidents would claim lives.

> 5. ship wrecks or boats capsize leading to hundreds drowned.

> 6. earthquakes rock the country

> 7. new godmen come to save the country (every godman claims

himself

> as kalki avataar)

> 8. country prospers in the field of technology.

>

> any blind man can guess that these predictions happen every year

> without saying.

>

> my humble submission to all such astrologers is that stop giving

> general predictions and give specific predictions to individuals

who

> are approaching the group. such predictions are useless if they

are

> not going to help the native.

>

> as pandit dakshinamoorthiji said once, an astrologer shall predict

a

> chart only if he is asked to. that is the maturity which shall be

> displayed by all matured astrologers.

>

> till date not a single godman (having crores of devotees and

> thousands of crores property) could predict earthquake or

tsunami.

> they all come to donate blankets or food packets only after the

> incident. not a single astrologer could predict earthquake or

> tsunami with place, date and time. such generalised predictions

> only make astrolgy a laughing stock. for example, if a person

> predicts earthquake could occurr in a state between 1st to 15th of

a

> month, it is of no use even if it occurrs.

>

> all the great sages who used to predict with their divya drishti

> (not astrology) also used to suggest upays for averting any

> negatives. the underlying objective of a prediction is only to

help

> the native lead a happy life and not to claim "I SAID SO".

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi <nameisego@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> >

> > what do you mean by cryptic clues?

> >

> > I am still wondering about Sri K.N Rao siding with a village

> astrologer who had predicted his own death last year (I think) and

> Mr. K.N Rao had also agreed with that astrologer after seeing his

> chart that he will die.

> > The whole of India was taken for a ride and a TV Channel

wasted

> a whole day cov

> ering this non event.

> > THE ASTROLOGER DID NOT DIE AND WHEN I RAISED THIS TOPIC IN

VEDIC

> ASTROLOGY GROUP, NO ONE DARED TO AGREE WITH ME.

> >

> > Does Mr. Rao has answer for this?

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> wrote:

> > It is a fact that on 30th April 2006 during Bharatiya vidya

> Bhawan seminar

> > Sri K.N. Rao has assertively made this prediction about Mr.

Pramod

> > Mahanjan's final demise. He has given enough cryptic clues to

> his analysis

> > on his official website. Kindly do not expect him to join a

> discussion in

> > trying to explain his logics in detail for public consumption.

> The

> > students need to raise to a level through their own research &

> knowledge

> > application. Sri K.N. Rao has brought the astrology to current

> status

> > through his teachings since 1987-88 onwards, thanks to his

sharing

> of

> > knowledge that thousands of people got enlightened in this vedic

> sciences,

> > further some of them even practise it for their daily sustenance.

> >

> > with regards,

> > sreeram srinivas

> > sreeram64@

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction

on

> Pramod

> > Mahajan/Doubts

> >

> > Hi Shashi Shekhar,

> >

> > Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> > appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

> with

> > humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer

> who

> > made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> > astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without

> checking

> > it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> > wrong).

> >

> > I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

> > <polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > .HARE RAM.

> > > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > > Saadar Charan

> > Sparsha!

> > >

> > > He is my second

> Guru

> > in astrology but like Aacharya

> > > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

> before

> > while i am resident

> > > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> > knowledge so a have some

> > > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

> keep

> > before him.I hope kind

> > > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us

the

> > reason according to

> > > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> > predict that this native had a

> > > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

> house.

> > > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the

> 8th

> > lord sitted in own house,

> > > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be

soft,

> 7th

> > lord is in own sign.

> > > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger

> brother?

> > Karak of 3rd house

> > > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of

same

> > house is sitted with Lagan

> > > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of

Karak

> > nor the lord of 3rd house

> > > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

> Sh.

> > Rao jee through you if

> > > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive

> me.

> > >

> > > With Due Regards

> > > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

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..HARE RAM.

Sh.Tatvam Asi jee,

I am sorry but it is baseless and fake that

Sh.Rao jee had

approved the predictions of the said astrologer.What did he say that

day?

It is quite safe in my memory.You may check the clips of said day.Plz

try

to remember his words.He said"It seems that this person has Mrityu Yog

these days" but he never said about time and date surely and he opposed

strongly for such type of predictions. Not only one (learned person)

must

give their predictions regarding earthquake or other natural

calamities

but also all the astrologers should make a forum separately for the

same

purpose and give predictions sitted on one bench for the country.

Please do not take it otherwise.One should

always do true

criticism with out jealously.I think you will be agree with me.Please

do

forgive me if you find some mistake.

With Regards

Shashi Shekhar Sharma

Tatvam-Asi <nameisego wrote:

Dear Arjun Ji,

Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

A bit curious.

K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing the astrologer's

chart.

And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and may die at

predicted time.

Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no answer to this

question.

Tatvam-Asi

By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity seeker IMHO.

panditarjun2004

wrote:

dear tatvam ji

since i have not seen respected KNRao's prediction on this self-

death predicting astrologer, i do not comment on him.

but one thing is certain that this astrologer who predicted his own

death with exact date and time was giving self publicity, so much so

that some local newspapers mentioned his village got several curious

tourists and he had several customers waiting in line for getting

their charts read (all for knowing their death date?). several TV

channels and newspapers unnecessarily made this self-death

predicting astrologer a hero and gave him free publicity.

in my humble opinion, death prediction shall not be made by any

astrologer either for others or for self. if the astrologer finds a

chance of fatality, he can only give an indication and cannot

predict with certainty that the native will die. this is against

the ethics of astrolgy. still if an astrologer predicts death and

then claims "I SAID SO" it is only bad karma.

once the yoga guru ramdevji criticised the astrologers and fake

tantriks alike for predicting every native the following things:

1. you are suffering from the malefic affects of rahu, ketu and

saturn.

2. your planets are good but your present dasa is bad.

3. people are jealous of you and due to this your growth is hindered

or someone has done blackmagic on you.

4. you have various doshams in your chart for which i will do these

poojas for you.

also these days, it has become a fashion for every panchanga karta

and every astrologer to predict general things for the country like:

1. the country would lose a great leader (there are hundreds of ex

prime/chief ministers and ministers who die every year)

2. cold waves would have heavy toll in the northern states

3. heat waves prevails across the country

4. air accidents would claim lives.

5. ship wrecks or boats capsize leading to hundreds drowned.

6. earthquakes rock the country

7. new godmen come to save the country (every godman claims himself

as kalki avataar)

8. country prospers in the field of technology.

any blind man can guess that these predictions happen every year

without saying.

my humble submission to all such astrologers is that stop giving

general predictions and give specific predictions to individuals who

are approaching the group. such predictions are useless if they are

not going to help the native.

as pandit dakshinamoorthiji said once, an astrologer shall predict a

chart only if he is asked to. that is the maturity which shall be

displayed by all matured astrologers.

till date not a single godman (having crores of devotees and

thousands of crores property) could predict earthquake or tsunami.

they all come to donate blankets or food packets only after the

incident. not a single astrologer could predict earthquake or

tsunami with place, date and time. such generalised predictions

only make astrolgy a laughing stock. for example, if a person

predicts earthquake could occurr in a state between 1st to 15th of a

month, it is of no use even if it occurrs.

all the great sages who used to predict with their divya drishti

(not astrology) also used to suggest upays for averting any

negatives. the underlying objective of a prediction is only to help

the native lead a happy life and not to claim "I SAID SO".

with best wishes

pandit arjun

vedic astrology, Tatvam-Asi

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

>

> what do you mean by cryptic clues?

>

> I am still wondering about Sri K.N Rao siding with a village

astrologer who had predicted his own death last year (I think) and

Mr. K.N Rao had also agreed with that astrologer after seeing his

chart that he will die.

> The whole of India was taken for a ride and a TV Channel wasted

a whole day cov

ering this non event.

> THE ASTROLOGER DID NOT DIE AND WHEN I RAISED THIS TOPIC IN VEDIC

ASTROLOGY GROUP, NO ONE DARED TO AGREE WITH ME.

>

> Does Mr. Rao has answer for this?

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> sreeram srinivas wrote:

> It is a fact that on 30th April 2006 during Bharatiya vidya

Bhawan seminar

> Sri K.N. Rao has assertively made this prediction about Mr. Pramod

> Mahanjan's final demise. He has given enough cryptic clues to

his analysis

> on his official website. Kindly do not expect him to join a

discussion in

> trying to explain his logics in detail for public consumption.

The

> students need to raise to a level through their own research &

knowledge

> application. Sri K.N. Rao has brought the astrology to current

status

> through his teachings since 1987-88 onwards, thanks to his sharing

of

> knowledge that thousands of people got enlightened in this vedic

sciences,

> further some of them even practise it for their daily sustenance.

>

> with regards,

> sreeram srinivas

> sreeram64

>

> _____

>

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:25 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's CORRECT prediction on

Pramod

> Mahajan/Doubts

>

> Hi Shashi Shekhar,

>

> Your doubts are relevant (I too have the same doubts) and I

> appreciate your mentality & guts to ask your doubts frankly and

with

> humility without bothering about the eminence of the astrologer

who

> made the prediction. (Usually when prediction is made by eminent

> astrologers, people have a tendency to support it (without

checking

> it by themselves)because of a grooved feeling that they can't go

> wrong).

>

> I hope somebody will clarify your doubts.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, shashi shekhar sharma

>

wrote:

> >

> > .HARE RAM.

> > Respected Sir Sh.Rao jee,

> > Saadar Charan

> Sparsha!

> >

> > He is my second

Guru

> in astrology but like Aacharya

> > Dronacharya jee and Eklavya because i never met him

before

> while i am resident

> > of Delhi at present.As discussion always improves

> knowledge so a have some

> > confusions regarding aforesaid matter that i want to

keep

> before him.I hope kind

> > hearted Guru Sh.Rao jee will parden me and tell us the

> reason according to

> > Vrishabh Lagana.

> > (1)Sir,before looking the said birth chart could we

> predict that this native had a

> > "ALPAAYU YOG", while 8th lord is sitted in own

house.

> > (2)Sir,why was he killed so brutally?Again while the

8th

> lord sitted in own house,

> > that is ATI SHUBH GRAHA.So his death should be soft,

7th

> lord is in own sign.

> > (3)Sir,Why such attempt was made by his younger

brother?

> Karak of 3rd house

> > is sitted in his own house 7th and the lord of same

> house is sitted with Lagan

> > lord in 5th house.Neither Pratyantra Dasha of Karak

> nor the lord of 3rd house

> > Moon was running at the time of incident.

> > So i have these some doubts,I again do request to

Sh.

> Rao jee through you if

> > these are baseless,please ignore them and forgive

me.

> >

> > With Due Regards

> > Shashi Shekhar Sharma

> Mobile-09818310075

> >

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Sri K.N.Rao is a person from whom I learnt the holy subject and respect

him. Having interacted with him for long, I am sure that the telecast that

you referred in your mail - which I did not see ( but cannot comment much ),

one thing is sure, that the words spoken by Sri K.N. Rao would not be in

terms of any "fatalist" tone. He is the person who has excellent command

either hindi or english and knows the use of language- he picks his words

carefully. This is my own assessement as an individual. He never sought

publicity himself - other than promoting astrology. For the "clout" he has

with either politicians or businessmen or even normal public, had he any

intentions of such "going public", he would not living in a small single

room, living on his own monies & ethics,...etc..

While I say this, let me submit, being in a industry - where "organizations"

base their decisions of our(my) reports either verbal or written, we are

not carried away in supporting someone blindly without a valid reason. It

is the media responsible for painting astrology black, while they earn

monies, by publishing weekly forecasts for public consumption !!! every

weekend. Sri K.N. Rao despite his health constraints, did take time to

fight cases in Indian Courts including Supreme Court in favor of astrology -

is it public stunt ??? When no other "Titled" astrologer worth his name,

engaged in selling his knowledge has time or energy to defend it when it

needed most - or is this a public stunt ???

I think it is time that we need to base our opinions not on single words or

sentences of a person, but take a holistic view of everything and then

conclude. I am sure you will agree with me on this !!

Reproducing the article published on Sri K.N. Rao's website for ready

reference.

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

sreeram64

Kunjilal the astrologer

who predicted his own death but failed

K.N.Rao.

On 20 October some private television channels covered extensively a

peculiar news item. An astrologer of Madhya Pradesh by the name Kunjilal had

predicted that he would die on 20 October 2005 between 3 and 4 pm. TV

cameras were showing him, his family members and the crowds that had

gathered to see it near a temple inside which Kunjilal was shown meditating

with his eyes closed.

I was asked by India's number one television channel, AAJ TAK, to

participate in a live coverage along with a psychologist and a "rationalist"

participating from Calcutta.

I said that I wanted some details about the horoscope of Kunjilal which

could not be got . The only information available was that he was born on 20

October 1930 at Betul with Tula lagna. The approximate horoscope cast on

this basis was as follows.

Why the "rationalist "?

I asked privately why had they invited a so called "rationalist" when these

fellows and physical scientists who had been shouting against astrology,

dominating the English newspapers of India and the television channels with

their irrational attacks on astrology since ages had lost three legal

battles in the last three years.

Madras High Court

First they filed a case against the introduction astrology as a subject of

study in Madras High Court where they had all the opportunity to argue

against astrology. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE

THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A

PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND ASTROLOGY.

But astrology won the case in Madras High Court.

Andhra High Court

Then the case came up in the Andhra High Court where again astrologers won

the case. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY

EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND ASTROLOGY.

The Supreme Court of India

The case came up in the Supreme Court of India where it was admitted to be

heard on merits which was good for astrology as, if we won it, the

controversy would be over for ever. I was ailing then and was not sure if I

could sit in the Supreme Court for three hours at a stretch and could walk

comfortably in the premises of the Supreme Court.

Many astrologers can speak and write in English and could have filed

petitions in the Supreme Court. NONE DID IT. I WAS THE ONLY ASTROLOGER

FIGHTING THE CASE WITH MY AILING CONDITION.

I argued the case effectively and astrology won the case.

Why are the so called "rationalists" shouting now when the physical

scientists have been lying low, having been beaten hollow three times now?

What have these so called "rationalists" to say now except mouthing their

ignorance which have been rejected by the courts thrice ? It was time for us

11 astrologers to laugh at and ridicule those communists, physical

scientists and the "rationalists" who in collusion with fellow travellers

and

pseudo intellectuals in English journalism , for full four years between

2000 and 2004, wrote and said on television that introduction of astrology

would amount to encouraging superstition. These denationalised and

despiritualised Indians were those dangerous apes who for the time being

seemed to be winning the debate and the battle till three courts dealt them

mortal blows one after another and showed them their place. Now when they

see some cultural-religious-spirtual-astrological themes dominating some

television programmes, they feel helpless and ex-press their impotent rage.

While physical scientists have to be on their guard because they think that

they have a "prestige" to guard, the "rationalists" can afford to behave

buffoonishly.

But television channels want some sensation and they gave chance to so

called "rationalist" who at no stage had anything intelligent to say. I knew

that I had to suffer it and tolerate only so long as my patience would hold

out.

What I said

1) I started by saying that it was unethical to do what Kunjilal was doing,

creating so much tension for his family, particularly for his wife who was

shown in her semi-rustic dress praying to Lord Hanuman, as she said, on

Karuva Chauth which fell on 20 October 2005. For those who do not know it,

Karuva Chauth is observed by married women in northern India for the long

life of their husbands. These women fast whole of the day, pray, and break

their fast only after seeing the Moon after sunset.

It was an ironical situation now. If Kunjilal died, his astrology would

triumph.If he survived, people would say that his wife's Karva Chauth saved

her husband !!!

2) I said that there were instances of such advance predictions made by

astrologers about their own death. But they had foretold about the bad years

and months of their lives at most and not the precise day and hour as

Kunjilal was doing.

3) Kunjilal may have made his own calculations and could be running the

dasha of Mercury which being the seventh dasha could be a maraka. Television

channels were saying that he had predicted correctly the time of the death

of many persons including his own father's who was also an astrologer.

PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT

4) Towards the end when the "rationalist" uttered something irrational half

of which I could hear feebly because of some technical fault, and would not

have known if the anchor had not repeated it, I said , rather harshly, that

those who, without studying astrology scientifically, criticise it, should

get themselves examined by pychiaritsts.

The last remark of mine must have irritated all those who had carried on a

vigorous campaign against astrology particularly in the English print media

of India between 2000 and 2004 May after which the Supreme Court finally

gave its verdict in favour of astrology. But one journalist did misquote me

and said that I had felt strongly that it was possible. I heard two times

the CD of that telecast. I never said that.

The last laugh was mine, this time in a live television show watched by

millions in India. I had asked critics of astrology to get themselves

treated mentally.

Kunjilal did not die and has done some damage to the cause of astrology by

miscalculating the time of his own death and making such a big show of it.

He did not at all appear to be a gimmick maker but a genuine, gentle and

successful astrologer dreading death by misapplying his own astrology to

himself. He started perspiring when it was nearing 4.pm which means that he

had believed that he would die that day.

But he was a relieved man later when he survived his own bad prediction ,

but had done damage to his own reputation and to astrology.

That does not matter. All of us have some failed predictions. Astrology is a

super science and astrologers are ill trained because of which instead of

concentrating on good researches they play God and prescribe remedies as

though they can perform plastic surgery on human fate.

_____

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Tatvam-Asi

Friday, May 12, 2006 12:21 AM

> <http://journalofastrology.com/images/kunjilal.gif>

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's prediction... CRYPTIC CLUES

!!!

Dear Arjun Ji,

Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

A bit curious.

K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing the

astrologer's chart.

And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and may die at

predicted time.

Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no answer to

this question.

Tatvam-Asi

By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity seeker

IMHO.

May 12, 2006

I agree 100%. Apart from astrology, moral uprightness is of very high value

and we should respect such persons, always. I too know Shri K.N.Rao

personally, follow him astrologically and respect him for his ethically high

values.

P.Kumar (Mumbai)

-

"sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64

Cc: "'Noname Noname'" <nameisego; "Renuka Prematillake"

<renunw

Friday, May 12, 2006 2:12 PM

[vedic astrology] RE: Shri KN Rao's prediction... CRYPTIC CLUES !!!

> Sri K.N.Rao is a person from whom I learnt the holy subject and respect

> him. Having interacted with him for long, I am sure that the telecast

that

> you referred in your mail - which I did not see ( but cannot comment

much ),

> one thing is sure, that the words spoken by Sri K.N. Rao would not be in

> terms of any "fatalist" tone. He is the person who has excellent

command

> either hindi or english and knows the use of language- he picks his words

> carefully. This is my own assessement as an individual. He never sought

> publicity himself - other than promoting astrology. For the "clout" he

has

> with either politicians or businessmen or even normal public, had he any

> intentions of such "going public", he would not living in a small single

> room, living on his own monies & ethics,...etc..

>

> While I say this, let me submit, being in a industry - where

"organizations"

> base their decisions of our(my) reports either verbal or written, we are

> not carried away in supporting someone blindly without a valid reason.

It

> is the media responsible for painting astrology black, while they earn

> monies, by publishing weekly forecasts for public consumption !!! every

> weekend. Sri K.N. Rao despite his health constraints, did take time to

> fight cases in Indian Courts including Supreme Court in favor of

astrology -

> is it public stunt ??? When no other "Titled" astrologer worth his name,

> engaged in selling his knowledge has time or energy to defend it when it

> needed most - or is this a public stunt ???

>

> I think it is time that we need to base our opinions not on single words

or

> sentences of a person, but take a holistic view of everything and then

> conclude. I am sure you will agree with me on this !!

>

> Reproducing the article published on Sri K.N. Rao's website for ready

> reference.

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

> sreeram64

>

> Kunjilal the astrologer

>

> who predicted his own death but failed

>

> K.N.Rao.

>

> On 20 October some private television channels covered extensively a

> peculiar news item. An astrologer of Madhya Pradesh by the name Kunjilal

had

> predicted that he would die on 20 October 2005 between 3 and 4 pm. TV

> cameras were showing him, his family members and the crowds that had

> gathered to see it near a temple inside which Kunjilal was shown

meditating

> with his eyes closed.

>

> I was asked by India's number one television channel, AAJ TAK, to

> participate in a live coverage along with a psychologist and a

"rationalist"

> participating from Calcutta.

>

> I said that I wanted some details about the horoscope of Kunjilal which

> could not be got . The only information available was that he was born on

20

> October 1930 at Betul with Tula lagna. The approximate horoscope cast on

> this basis was as follows.

>

> Why the "rationalist "?

>

> I asked privately why had they invited a so called "rationalist" when

these

> fellows and physical scientists who had been shouting against astrology,

> dominating the English newspapers of India and the television channels

with

> their irrational attacks on astrology since ages had lost three legal

> battles in the last three years.

>

> Madras High Court

>

> First they filed a case against the introduction astrology as a subject of

> study in Madras High Court where they had all the opportunity to argue

> against astrology. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE

>

>

> THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A

> PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND ASTROLOGY.

>

> But astrology won the case in Madras High Court.

>

> Andhra High Court

>

> Then the case came up in the Andhra High Court where again astrologers won

> the case. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY

> EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND

ASTROLOGY.

>

> The Supreme Court of India

>

> The case came up in the Supreme Court of India where it was admitted to be

> heard on merits which was good for astrology as, if we won it, the

> controversy would be over for ever. I was ailing then and was not sure if

I

> could sit in the Supreme Court for three hours at a stretch and could walk

> comfortably in the premises of the Supreme Court.

>

> Many astrologers can speak and write in English and could have filed

> petitions in the Supreme Court. NONE DID IT. I WAS THE ONLY ASTROLOGER

> FIGHTING THE CASE WITH MY AILING CONDITION.

>

> I argued the case effectively and astrology won the case.

>

> Why are the so called "rationalists" shouting now when the physical

> scientists have been lying low, having been beaten hollow three times now?

>

> What have these so called "rationalists" to say now except mouthing their

> ignorance which have been rejected by the courts thrice ? It was time for

us

> 11 astrologers to laugh at and ridicule those communists, physical

> scientists and the "rationalists" who in collusion with fellow travellers

> and

> pseudo intellectuals in English journalism , for full four years between

> 2000 and 2004, wrote and said on television that introduction of astrology

> would amount to encouraging superstition. These denationalised and

> despiritualised Indians were those dangerous apes who for the time being

> seemed to be winning the debate and the battle till three courts dealt

them

> mortal blows one after another and showed them their place. Now when they

> see some cultural-religious-spirtual-astrological themes dominating some

> television programmes, they feel helpless and ex-press their impotent

rage.

> While physical scientists have to be on their guard because they think

that

> they have a "prestige" to guard, the "rationalists" can afford to behave

> buffoonishly.

>

> But television channels want some sensation and they gave chance to so

> called "rationalist" who at no stage had anything intelligent to say. I

knew

> that I had to suffer it and tolerate only so long as my patience would

hold

> out.

>

> What I said

>

> 1) I started by saying that it was unethical to do what Kunjilal was

doing,

> creating so much tension for his family, particularly for his wife who was

> shown in her semi-rustic dress praying to Lord Hanuman, as she said, on

> Karuva Chauth which fell on 20 October 2005. For those who do not know it,

> Karuva Chauth is observed by married women in northern India for the long

> life of their husbands. These women fast whole of the day, pray, and break

> their fast only after seeing the Moon after sunset.

>

> It was an ironical situation now. If Kunjilal died, his astrology would

> triumph.If he survived, people would say that his wife's Karva Chauth

saved

> her husband !!!

>

> 2) I said that there were instances of such advance predictions made by

> astrologers about their own death. But they had foretold about the bad

years

> and months of their lives at most and not the precise day and hour as

> Kunjilal was doing.

>

> 3) Kunjilal may have made his own calculations and could be running the

> dasha of Mercury which being the seventh dasha could be a maraka.

Television

> channels were saying that he had predicted correctly the time of the death

> of many persons including his own father's who was also an astrologer.

>

> PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT

>

> 4) Towards the end when the "rationalist" uttered something irrational

half

> of which I could hear feebly because of some technical fault, and would

not

> have known if the anchor had not repeated it, I said , rather harshly,

that

> those who, without studying astrology scientifically, criticise it, should

> get themselves examined by pychiaritsts.

>

> The last remark of mine must have irritated all those who had carried on a

> vigorous campaign against astrology particularly in the English print

media

> of India between 2000 and 2004 May after which the Supreme Court finally

> gave its verdict in favour of astrology. But one journalist did misquote

me

> and said that I had felt strongly that it was possible. I heard two times

> the CD of that telecast. I never said that.

>

> The last laugh was mine, this time in a live television show watched by

> millions in India. I had asked critics of astrology to get themselves

> treated mentally.

>

> Kunjilal did not die and has done some damage to the cause of astrology by

> miscalculating the time of his own death and making such a big show of it.

> He did not at all appear to be a gimmick maker but a genuine, gentle and

> successful astrologer dreading death by misapplying his own astrology to

> himself. He started perspiring when it was nearing 4.pm which means that

he

> had believed that he would die that day.

>

> But he was a relieved man later when he survived his own bad prediction ,

> but had done damage to his own reputation and to astrology.

>

> That does not matter. All of us have some failed predictions. Astrology is

a

> super science and astrologers are ill trained because of which instead of

> concentrating on good researches they play God and prescribe remedies as

> though they can perform plastic surgery on human fate.

>

> _____

>

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Tatvam-Asi

> Friday, May 12, 2006 12:21 AM

> <http://journalofastrology.com/images/kunjilal.gif>

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's prediction... CRYPTIC

CLUES

> !!!

>

> Dear Arjun Ji,

> Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

> A bit curious.

>

> K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing the

> astrologer's chart.

> And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and may die at

> predicted time.

>

> Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no answer to

> this question.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity seeker

> IMHO.

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Links

>

May 12, 2006

you keep on jumping from this to to that group and post my postings there.

I already replied to you on jr group.

shashi shekhar sharma <polite_astro wrote:

.HARE RAM.

Sh.Tatvam Asi jee,

I am sorry but it is baseless and fake that

Sh.Rao jee had

approved the predictions of the said astrologer.What did he say that

day?

It is quite safe in my memory.You may check the clips of said day.Plz

try

to remember his words.He said"It seems that this person has Mrityu Yog

these days" but he never said about time and date surely and he opposed

strongly for such type of predictions. Not only one (learned person)

must

give their predictions regarding earthquake or other natural

calamities

but also all the astrologers should make a forum separately for the

same

purpose and give predictions sitted on one bench for the country.

Please do not take it otherwise.One should

always do true

criticism with out jealously.I think you will be agree with me.Please

do

forgive me if you find some mistake.

With Regards

Shashi Shekhar Sharma

Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

May 15, 2006

Mr. K. N. Rao is a great astrologer and he has done a great contribution for

astrology by teaching astrology to so many persons and thus helped astrology. I

have full respect for him. I studied from him and he is great man with very good

knowledge of astrology.

Ajay Kukreja

P Kumar <pkumar24 wrote:

I agree 100%. Apart from astrology, moral uprightness is of very high value

and we should respect such persons, always. I too know Shri K.N.Rao

personally, follow him astrologically and respect him for his ethically high

values.

P.Kumar (Mumbai)

-

"sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64

Cc: "'Noname Noname'" <nameisego; "Renuka Prematillake"

<renunw

Friday, May 12, 2006 2:12 PM

[vedic astrology] RE: Shri KN Rao's prediction... CRYPTIC CLUES !!!

> Sri K.N.Rao is a person from whom I learnt the holy subject and respect

> him. Having interacted with him for long, I am sure that the telecast

that

> you referred in your mail - which I did not see ( but cannot comment

much ),

> one thing is sure, that the words spoken by Sri K.N. Rao would not be in

> terms of any "fatalist" tone. He is the person who has excellent

command

> either hindi or english and knows the use of language- he picks his words

> carefully. This is my own assessement as an individual. He never sought

> publicity himself - other than promoting astrology. For the "clout" he

has

> with either politicians or businessmen or even normal public, had he any

> intentions of such "going public", he would not living in a small single

> room, living on his own monies & ethics,...etc..

>

> While I say this, let me submit, being in a industry - where

"organizations"

> base their decisions of our(my) reports either verbal or written, we are

> not carried away in supporting someone blindly without a valid reason.

It

> is the media responsible for painting astrology black, while they earn

> monies, by publishing weekly forecasts for public consumption !!! every

> weekend. Sri K.N. Rao despite his health constraints, did take time to

> fight cases in Indian Courts including Supreme Court in favor of

astrology -

> is it public stunt ??? When no other "Titled" astrologer worth his name,

> engaged in selling his knowledge has time or energy to defend it when it

> needed most - or is this a public stunt ???

>

> I think it is time that we need to base our opinions not on single words

or

> sentences of a person, but take a holistic view of everything and then

> conclude. I am sure you will agree with me on this !!

>

> Reproducing the article published on Sri K.N. Rao's website for ready

> reference.

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

> sreeram64

>

> Kunjilal the astrologer

>

> who predicted his own death but failed

>

> K.N.Rao.

>

> On 20 October some private television channels covered extensively a

> peculiar news item. An astrologer of Madhya Pradesh by the name Kunjilal

had

> predicted that he would die on 20 October 2005 between 3 and 4 pm. TV

> cameras were showing him, his family members and the crowds that had

> gathered to see it near a temple inside which Kunjilal was shown

meditating

> with his eyes closed.

>

> I was asked by India's number one television channel, AAJ TAK, to

> participate in a live coverage along with a psychologist and a

"rationalist"

> participating from Calcutta.

>

> I said that I wanted some details about the horoscope of Kunjilal which

> could not be got . The only information available was that he was born on

20

> October 1930 at Betul with Tula lagna. The approximate horoscope cast on

> this basis was as follows.

>

> Why the "rationalist "?

>

> I asked privately why had they invited a so called "rationalist" when

these

> fellows and physical scientists who had been shouting against astrology,

> dominating the English newspapers of India and the television channels

with

> their irrational attacks on astrology since ages had lost three legal

> battles in the last three years.

>

> Madras High Court

>

> First they filed a case against the introduction astrology as a subject of

> study in Madras High Court where they had all the opportunity to argue

> against astrology. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE

>

>

> THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A

> PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND ASTROLOGY.

>

> But astrology won the case in Madras High Court.

>

> Andhra High Court

>

> Then the case came up in the Andhra High Court where again astrologers won

> the case. IT IS ALSO A DISGRACE THAT NO HINDU ASTROLOGER WHO SWEARS BY

> EIGHTEEN RISHIS EVEN APPEARED AS A PETITIONER IN PERSON TO DEFEND

ASTROLOGY.

>

> The Supreme Court of India

>

> The case came up in the Supreme Court of India where it was admitted to be

> heard on merits which was good for astrology as, if we won it, the

> controversy would be over for ever. I was ailing then and was not sure if

I

> could sit in the Supreme Court for three hours at a stretch and could walk

> comfortably in the premises of the Supreme Court.

>

> Many astrologers can speak and write in English and could have filed

> petitions in the Supreme Court. NONE DID IT. I WAS THE ONLY ASTROLOGER

> FIGHTING THE CASE WITH MY AILING CONDITION.

>

> I argued the case effectively and astrology won the case.

>

> Why are the so called "rationalists" shouting now when the physical

> scientists have been lying low, having been beaten hollow three times now?

>

> What have these so called "rationalists" to say now except mouthing their

> ignorance which have been rejected by the courts thrice ? It was time for

us

> 11 astrologers to laugh at and ridicule those communists, physical

> scientists and the "rationalists" who in collusion with fellow travellers

> and

> pseudo intellectuals in English journalism , for full four years between

> 2000 and 2004, wrote and said on television that introduction of astrology

> would amount to encouraging superstition. These denationalised and

> despiritualised Indians were those dangerous apes who for the time being

> seemed to be winning the debate and the battle till three courts dealt

them

> mortal blows one after another and showed them their place. Now when they

> see some cultural-religious-spirtual-astrological themes dominating some

> television programmes, they feel helpless and ex-press their impotent

rage.

> While physical scientists have to be on their guard because they think

that

> they have a "prestige" to guard, the "rationalists" can afford to behave

> buffoonishly.

>

> But television channels want some sensation and they gave chance to so

> called "rationalist" who at no stage had anything intelligent to say. I

knew

> that I had to suffer it and tolerate only so long as my patience would

hold

> out.

>

> What I said

>

> 1) I started by saying that it was unethical to do what Kunjilal was

doing,

> creating so much tension for his family, particularly for his wife who was

> shown in her semi-rustic dress praying to Lord Hanuman, as she said, on

> Karuva Chauth which fell on 20 October 2005. For those who do not know it,

> Karuva Chauth is observed by married women in northern India for the long

> life of their husbands. These women fast whole of the day, pray, and break

> their fast only after seeing the Moon after sunset.

>

> It was an ironical situation now. If Kunjilal died, his astrology would

> triumph.If he survived, people would say that his wife's Karva Chauth

saved

> her husband !!!

>

> 2) I said that there were instances of such advance predictions made by

> astrologers about their own death. But they had foretold about the bad

years

> and months of their lives at most and not the precise day and hour as

> Kunjilal was doing.

>

> 3) Kunjilal may have made his own calculations and could be running the

> dasha of Mercury which being the seventh dasha could be a maraka.

Television

> channels were saying that he had predicted correctly the time of the death

> of many persons including his own father's who was also an astrologer.

>

> PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT

>

> 4) Towards the end when the "rationalist" uttered something irrational

half

> of which I could hear feebly because of some technical fault, and would

not

> have known if the anchor had not repeated it, I said , rather harshly,

that

> those who, without studying astrology scientifically, criticise it, should

> get themselves examined by pychiaritsts.

>

> The last remark of mine must have irritated all those who had carried on a

> vigorous campaign against astrology particularly in the English print

media

> of India between 2000 and 2004 May after which the Supreme Court finally

> gave its verdict in favour of astrology. But one journalist did misquote

me

> and said that I had felt strongly that it was possible. I heard two times

> the CD of that telecast. I never said that.

>

> The last laugh was mine, this time in a live television show watched by

> millions in India. I had asked critics of astrology to get themselves

> treated mentally.

>

> Kunjilal did not die and has done some damage to the cause of astrology by

> miscalculating the time of his own death and making such a big show of it.

> He did not at all appear to be a gimmick maker but a genuine, gentle and

> successful astrologer dreading death by misapplying his own astrology to

> himself. He started perspiring when it was nearing 4.pm which means that

he

> had believed that he would die that day.

>

> But he was a relieved man later when he survived his own bad prediction ,

> but had done damage to his own reputation and to astrology.

>

> That does not matter. All of us have some failed predictions. Astrology is

a

> super science and astrologers are ill trained because of which instead of

> concentrating on good researches they play God and prescribe remedies as

> though they can perform plastic surgery on human fate.

>

> _____

>

> [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Tatvam-Asi

> Friday, May 12, 2006 12:21 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Shri KN Rao's prediction... CRYPTIC

CLUES

> !!!

>

> Dear Arjun Ji,

> Are you, by any chance ,refering to my earthquake predictions?

> A bit curious.

>

> K.N Rao ji, was sitting in the TV Channel's studio discussing the

> astrologer's chart.

> And he catagorically said that this person has Mrityu Yog and may die at

> predicted time.

>

> Now who was seeking free publicity and who did not ? I have no answer to

> this question.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> By the way, Yoga Teacher Ramadasji himself is one such publicity seeker

> IMHO.

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Links

>

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